Linux-Advocacy Digest #557, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 08:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is awful (Terry Porter)
Re: Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke: (kiwiunixman)
Re: Whistler review. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux is awful (Terry Porter)
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Whistler review. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Major shift (kiwiunixman)
lotus notes ("W.Edwin van der Meijden, Alforto")
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Whistler review. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Whistler review. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Windows SUX ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Whistler review. (Sandman)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:06:56 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:48:29 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> No-Spam wrote:
>
>> No Pete , this COLA, perhaps your thinking this is a linux TECH HELP
>ng ?
>
>The advocacy in this group appears to consist of the following:
>
>1. Someone posts a topic criticising Linux. They may or may not use
> "inflamatory" language.
They may or may not also use *Linux*, they may or may not be Wintrolls.
>
>2. Immediate response is to deride the poster. It doesn't matter if they
> are legitimate problems or not.
You need to Troll here a little longer Pete, your sweeping statements are not
based on any long term reality.
>
>> >Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>> I thought you were still waiting for Linux to get there ?
>
>I still am. It's nearly there.
Then keep waiting, the rest of us will continue to *use* Linux.
>
>--
>---
>Pete
>
>
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>Before you buy.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke:
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:12:25 GMT
The license would work like this:
One from the electricity supplier
One for each person/animal who get benefit from it
However, you would have to upgrade the power board with all Microsoft
made fuses and components, otherwise the bulb will be buggy and
unreliable, however, once you've upgraded the switch board, all the rest
of the light bulbs in the house don't work as they donot understand the
Microsoft Lightbuld Protocol (MLP), so you have to upgrade all of the
light bulbs, by the time all this has been done, your switchboard has
blown up as there are too many simultaneos lights on at any one time.
kiwiunixman
Tom Wilson wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> How about people who post about how if M$ made lightbulbs, they would
>> have a pretty pattern on the surface but would stop working until you
>> switched them off and on again?
>
>
> Or would require a separate liscense for each person walking through the
> room.
>
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Go home Al....
> Game over, man!
>
>
>
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:13:48 GMT
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Do you remember the Amiga 500 with Workbech 1.3, now that is efficient
> programming, and surprisingly fast considering it ran off a FDD
I only got to play with the Amigas briefly and I was as impressed with their
speed and layout as I was with their graphical capabilities. Too bad
Commodore's business model wasn't as sophisticated, huh?
<snip>
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Go home Al....
Game over, man!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:12:11 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:33:14 GMT, Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You tell us what your excuse is for advocating Windows in a Linux
>advocacy
>> newsgroup, and you will discover the answer to your question.
>
>My "excuse"? I need an excuse to tell you that Linux doesn't meet my
>requirements, despite hearing hype telling me otherwise?
Then what you need is *education*, please investigate the meaning of
"advocacy" ??
You seem to be establishing yourself as a Wintroll Goodwin, is that your
intention ?
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>
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>Before you buy.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:16:10 GMT
didn't notice it, I thought it may of been a typo :(
A Haka is a challenge set forth by one tribe to another, like what the
All Black and Somoa use at the beginning of each match, it is basicly
saying, "Take me on, I'm ready".
kiwiunixman
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> kiwiunixman wrote:
>
>> However, it could be said that Linux is a haka operating system as it is
>> a challenge to Microsoft.
>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>> kiwiunixman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or the New Zealand Version: Windows Haka
>>>
>>>
>>> Alla versions ofa Windows is a Hacka...
>>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I guess the italian accent didn't come through :-(
>
>
>
>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> kiwiunixman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is Microsoft going to release a Scottish version, Windows Bagpipes :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bagpiper.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> kiwiunixman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
>>>>>>> For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
>>>>>>> (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined to
>>>>>>> finally eliminated the 9x line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is my biased review.
>>>>>>> I'm going to limit myself to comments about the new GUI and features of the
>>>>>>> OS, as this a Beta1, it's not yet appropriate to talk about performace and
>>>>>>> stability yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Starting with the install, you stick the cd in the drive, set the BIOS to
>>>>>>> boot from the CD, and you are done.
>>>>>>> Strangely enough, I have the system up and running without returning to the
>>>>>>> BIOS to change the settings, and it's still working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The installation itself is pretty similar to Windows 2000, blue screen in
>>>>>>> text mode, and afterward the familiar wizard style.
>>>>>>> The main difference is that it's now uses the "simpler start menu" as a
>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>> Installation took little longer than an hour, most of the time to format a
>>>>>>> NTFS HD.
>>>>>>> After the text mode, which require some little knowledge in the computer's
>>>>>>> HD, the installer required very little input from the user, and did all the
>>>>>>> configuration on its on.
>>>>>>> The computer is win2k HCLed, btw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a note:
>>>>>>> For some reason, it thinks that I've multiply monitors, likely because I've
>>>>>>> a TV-Out card. This doesn't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so I
>>>>>>> don't think I would bother to fiddle with it in the near future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The new startup screen is cool, but I like the win2k one better, the win2k
>>>>>>> one provide some (limited, but real) information on how much progress the OS
>>>>>>> had in loading itself.
>>>>>>> Whistler's startup screen provide no such information, in that, it's very
>>>>>>> much like the win9x startup screens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The system finished loading, and you get a pretty wizard like interface
>>>>>>> which explained you how to use the computer (can't report much about this, I
>>>>>>> quited this part when it started explaining how to you the mouse.), ask you
>>>>>>> whatever you want to register at Microsoft.com, and help you setup a dial up
>>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>> Then you create users, You can create up to six users in this screen.
>>>>>>> I don't like this way very much, all the accounts you create this way are
>>>>>>> admins, with no passwords set on them, and you get *no* warning about this.
>>>>>>> The user interface itself, for that matter, isn't very good comparing to NT
>>>>>>> or 2000.
>>>>>>> You can enter a user's name, and a picture, if you like, but that is about
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> Accounts are created without passwords by default, another thing I don't
>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>> And when you login, all the accounts on the computer are presented to you,
>>>>>>> which is another mistake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can see the reasons behind this, of course, as the whistler I'm using is
>>>>>>> supposed to go to home users, where you rarely need such security measures,
>>>>>>> and there are probably ways to fix those things, which I'm currently
>>>>>>> clueless about.
>>>>>>> The biggest problem I've with this (all accounts being displayed) can
>>>>>>> apperantly turned off quite easily (I've not tested it yet, though)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Strangely enough, by default, the desktop don't display the "My Computer"
>>>>>>> and "My Documents" icon folders.
>>>>>>> With those icons being probably the most important in handling windows, I'm
>>>>>>> quite sure it's a bug.
>>>>>>> Another bug I found is in the control panel>mouse>pointer options, where the
>>>>>>> "Show location" option doesn't warp, so the "y." (at least I assume that it
>>>>>>> what it's supposed to be) cannot be seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The icons problem was fixed by right clicking the desktop, active
>>>>>>> desktop>customise my desktop, btw.
>>>>>>> I also recommend to use the "Proffessional" image as background to the
>>>>>>> desktop, totally cool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The entire GUI is cool, for that matter.
>>>>>>> It feel like a game or a flash applet.
>>>>>>> The login screen, for example, is in pastel colors, and you've a list of
>>>>>>> users, with pictures near each name, and when your mouse is over a username,
>>>>>>> all the other usernames fade out.
>>>>>>> If you click a username, and it has no password, it moved to the center of
>>>>>>> the upper half of the screen, and it would tell you what it's doing (3 - 4
>>>>>>> seconds process) while it loads your settings.
>>>>>>> If it has a password, it opens (open like a drawer, really cool) a box that
>>>>>>> ask you to enter the password.
>>>>>>> On NT & 2000, you needed a *long* password to feel the password box, in
>>>>>>> whistler, it takes very few characters for the password box to be full on
>>>>>>> the black circles, so you've no indication whatever you are still typing.
>>>>>>> It makes sense, I assume, as it obscure password length to onlookers, and
>>>>>>> it's no worse than unix no showing what you type at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like the "simpler start menu", for now, at least.
>>>>>>> It would take some getting used to, I suppose. But I suspect it can also
>>>>>>> drive a person crazy, very easily. One thing that I already find annoying in
>>>>>>> this is that you can't logoff without using the mouse.
>>>>>>> And logging off is something that I think that I'll have to do quite often
>>>>>>> in Whistler, at least in the first period.
>>>>>>> You can revert back to the normal windows way, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alt+Ctrl+Delete behave quite unlike what you expect.
>>>>>>> In 9x, it brings you a list of running application, which allows you
>>>>>>> (hopefully) to close them.
>>>>>>> In NT/2000, it brings a list of options, which I find more practical than
>>>>>>> the 9x one.
>>>>>>> In whistler, you get "Task Manager", which NT/2000 users should be familiar
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>> You can do everything you used to be abled to do with the NT ctrl+alt+del,
>>>>>>> except change your password, which must be done throught the user settings
>>>>>>> in the control panel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the coolest features in in Whistler is the ability to logoff and
>>>>>>> leave all your current applications working.
>>>>>>> User A log on, do some work, and has to go. He log off, and go away for some
>>>>>>> time. User B comes along, log on, do his stuff until he is done, and then he
>>>>>>> log off.
>>>>>>> User A return, he log on, all his applications are intact, for those of you
>>>>>>> who are familiar with NT/2000, it's similar to computer lock.
>>>>>>> Infact, in Whistler, Locking the computer is very similar to Switch user.
>>>>>>> One thing, though, if you play a cd and lock the computer, and log as
>>>>>>> another user, you still hear the cd. I've to test it for other sound
>>>>>>> programs, but I believe it's a CD related issue.
>>>>>>> You can also log off completely, thus releasing the resources that you took.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those of you who are familiar with linux, it's similar to Alt+F#, only in
>>>>>>> GUI.
>>>>>>> It's a little more cumbersome to move between users, because you has to
>>>>>>> logon to do so, but it's working.
>>>>>>> Unfortantely, there are no virutal desktops, such as there is in Gnome &
>>>>>>> KDe, which can be very useful.
>>>>>>> There is something which is called "Clean up notification area" which may
>>>>>>> provide similar ability. (The main reason for virtual desktop is to keep the
>>>>>>> taskbar or whatever you call it from cluttering, this should solve this,
>>>>>>> apperantly.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whistler currently comes with IE & OE 5.6, which doesn't seem to offer any
>>>>>>> big improvement over IE 5.5, at least on the surface.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To my joy, the wide languague support from 2000 remained on Whistler. (Which
>>>>>>> wasn't the case on ME, which really pissed me off)
>>>>>>> Trying to change different settings proved quite easy, although tooltips are
>>>>>>> too widely used, IMHO. But I can understand why they are neccesary, and they
>>>>>>> proved to be handy.
>>>>>>> Another problem is in the task bar, in normal winodws mode, the application
>>>>>>> on focus has its tab in the spacebar pressed, which make it easy to detect
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> On Whistler (professional skin), the tabs on the applications are
>>>>>>> highlighted, which takes getting used to. In the meantime, I get a lot of
>>>>>>> windows minimized when I don't want them to because of this.
>>>>>>> It's also hard to tell where one application tab is ending, and where
>>>>>>> another begin.
>>>>>>> And the scroll bars aren't a great idea either, white on pale gray is nice
>>>>>>> if you bother to actually *look* at it, but who looks at a scroll bar
>>>>>>> anyway? You want something that is easy for the eye to see.
>>>>>>> I like the skinning idea, but at the moment, I only have two (pro &
>>>>>>> classic), anybody knows whatever there are more out there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Explorer has been changed quite dramatically. Now you can call it
>>>>>>> pretty.
>>>>>>> And the help system has been given a face lift as well. The Win95 help got
>>>>>>> the "Interface Hall Of Shame" award, I think that whistler's help system is
>>>>>>> at least a runner up for "Interface Hall of Face" award.
>>>>>>> The entire GUI is very good, although I get a chuckle out of "Comments?" on
>>>>>>> top of everything.
>>>>>>> I wouldn't call Windows9x/NT pretty.
>>>>>>> Useful, yes, and the 2000 GUI is much nicer then those before it, but
>>>>>>> Whistler *is* pretty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the overall easiness of working with the system, I've to say that MS
>>>>>>> took a long hard look at the iMac success, which was largely based on its
>>>>>>> look and "just plug it in" slogan.
>>>>>>> And decided that they can do it better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would refrain from commenting whatever they actually succeeded in that,
>>>>>>> because it's still a beta, and because I don't have that much experiance on
>>>>>>> Macs.
>>>>>>> And practically none at all on an iMac or an iBook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, in its current state, I have to say that Whistler is pretty awesome
>>>>>>> UI-wise. I'll have to study it much more to find out if it can serve as more
>>>>>>> than a toy.
>>>>>>> Right now, I would rather use the beta than any win9x, including win98se.
>>>>>>> It's based on NT kernel, which mean it *can't* be as bad as the 9x line.
>>>>>>> At the very least, it's going to be a cool workstation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
>>>>>>> from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:17:20 GMT
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A follow up question, why does Windows NT Server install a web browser?
> It's a web fucking server, not a workstation, hence, why have a web
> browser installed?
Because its' an intregal part of the OS and can't be removed.
<snip>
--
Tom Wilson
Go home Al....
Game over, man!
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Major shift
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:22:49 GMT
Well, look at the sucessful British music groups/singers, such as
Oasis, Beatles, Super Grass, Robbie Williams and Queen have been
sucessful in the ex-english colonies such as Aussie and Aotearoa (New
Zealand) and Europe, but not very successful in the US, what's my point?
nothing, as pointless at the:
"no both atari and amiga sold much better in europe then it did here! the
sales the U.S. were about 1/3 the per capita rate as in europe!"
post by tony
kiwiunixman
tony roth wrote:
> no both atari and amiga sold much better in europe then it did here! the
> sales the U.S. were about 1/3 the per capita rate as in europe!
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:900nfl$lvl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> tony roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> and I remember when atari st's and amiga's were the rage in europe ha ha
>>
> ha!
>
>> I remember when they were the rage in the united states. Whats youre
>
> point?
>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----.
>>
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From: "W.Edwin van der Meijden, Alforto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lotus notes
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:17:45 +0100
ls,
does anyone know of Lotus Notes running on Linux?
W. Edwin van der Meijden
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:27:40 GMT
What ever rock you crawled out from under, please go back there.
kiwiunixman
PS. Then, from your reply, my post must be wrong, why don't I see a
reply yet?
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:29:55 GMT
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have talked to developers, and their own opinion was the the Win32 API
> is a bitch to write programs around. Win32 API is a mish-mash of
> different parts thrown together in a blender, when compared with cleanly
> written API's such as the ones included with BeOS, which are fully
> documented, for real!
>
> kiwiunixman
The word "bitch" doesn't even come close....
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Go home Al....
Game over, man!
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:36:45 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> How are you going to eat, then?
> Making a good (or even bad, for that matter) work processor, spreadsheet,
> etc, can take a *lot* of time and consume a lot of resources.
> How would you return the invesment?
>
> > If anything the GNU/GPL will force the developers
> > at comming up with NEW material. Not the
> > same old crap, over and over again.
>
> And what would pay the bills while they are at it.
> You can sell GNU software, but the problem with it, that if you intend to
> make *profit* from GNU software, you don't make it from selling it.
The usual way to make a profit is by selling service and commodities.
I can make a lot more in the same time by consulting for a lab,
for example, than by writing code at work.
Chris
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:37:17 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:905e4n$npr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:C5qV5.88$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:90417b$4tc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <903r8k$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> In article <8vulpn$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende
Rahien
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> >> In article <3a228f5a$0$14371$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad
> > > Rutherford
> > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > >> >> >how would you know?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I think he knows what's run better for him, which is what he
> said.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> It's nothing like :
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's
ass.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> at all.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> wa waaaaa.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Besides, we really don't care whether Ayende likes the colour
> > > > >> >> scheme of DOS7.3 or DOS8 or whatever this will be.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >There isn't, nor ever was, DOS in NT line.
> > > > >> >You are thinking 9x line.
> > > > >> >A very common mistake with linadvocates, it seems.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Shame really, 'cos the only thing I would actually use
> > > > >> Microsoft OS for in my own time would be game playing. And
> > > > >> that's only possible with DOS.
> > > > >
> > > > >That is just about the most ridicilous, inaccurate, and idiotic
> > statement
> > > > >that I've heard since I last read Aaron's posts.
> > > >
> > > > Que? My, we are getting personal. Well, 'tis true. I do not
> > > > run MS OSs in my spare time except under _exceptional_
circumstances.
> > > > The only one I know of is for a game which will only run under
> > > > dos. That's that. It's a fact, and I don't really see how you
> > > > can call it inaccurate.
> > >
> > > Because not even a moderatedly successful game came out in the last
> three
> > > years or so that didn't run on windows?
> > >
> >
> > You have to remember, Ayende, that a lot of folks still play games that
> were
> > written before Win95.
>
> I know, GoldenAxe is my favoraite old time game.
> I can still play it, your point?
Simply, a rebuttle to the "...only possible with DOS" and "Because not even
a moderatedly successful game came out in the last three years or so that
didn't run on windows?" portions of the thread.
If you want to have fun with an old DOS game, find the original IBM-PC port
of Centipede and play it on a modern machine. It's hillarious!
--
Tom Wilson
Go home Al....
Game over, man!
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:38:32 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:4hiV5.26842$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:903jsn$568q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > > As usual you are avoiding reality. Do you dictate to everyone else in
> > > your
> > > > office and your clients and customers how they are allowed to
> > communicate
> > > > with you, or do you do what you are forced to do and accommodate them?
> > >
> > > I dictate them to use a file format which I can use.
> >
> > And just how many clients and customers have gone along with your demands?
>
> All of them.
> If they want me to read their files, they send them in a format that I can
> read.
Whoa, you're one tough cookie. Hopefully your customers use linux
so they can send you any format you request, and not just Microsoft
formats.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows SUX
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:41:56 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9055c9$kcu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <c1h109.7sm.ln@gd2zzx>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Now the one true risc processor was the PDP-8. 12 bit
> > luxury and core memory. :-)
>
> You never came across a DECmate then? Based on the PDP-8 but didn't have
> core memory.
>
> I remember the PDP8. I had fun with the instruction set. RISC! Hah! It
> was a minimal instruction set, not quite the same thing. It had this
> amazing concept of "pages". All your data had to be reachable in one
> "page". So at one end of a page you had code, at the other, data. And
> you wrote jumps to get to the next page... sheesh! A page was 4k of
> 12bit words.
I never understood DEC's facination with 12 bit words. Remember the Rainbow?
16-bit PC AND 12-bit DEC modes all in one box...
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:42:17 GMT
Ed Allen wrote:
> (For the Wintrolls: That means that customers who complain should be ignored or
> chewed out immediately and yelled at, as Bill did in this fine example.)
>
> I swear, the Mans' marketing GENIUS chokes me up !
Some people thrive on abuse.
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From: Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:47:00 +0100
In article <905d3b$m8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Application == program. Something with a menu bar / user interface,
> > an event loop, and some purpose for which it was written. I don't count
> > DLL's, plugins, scripts, etc.. something I can double click on and run.
>
> On windows, that would be exe files. Let's see how many I've? 1103 How many
> application do I use? About 100, top.
So your definition of "Application" is "A program I frequently use"? So if you
stopped using Freehand for some months, will it seize to be an applications.
All thos .exe files you found are, per definition, applications. Or to be more
correct, all the files Rob Barris found was, per definition, applications.
> > > For that matter, assuming that the average install of a program is 10
> > > MB, 1500 applications installed would result in ~14.6 GB on your HD.
> > > 1,117 will be ~10 GB.
> >
> > If the average app took 10MB, your numbers might hold water.
> > However, many of my apps are under 1MB. I have a 12GB drive on this
> > laptop, about 4GB free. The Tools folder where most of my apps live, is
> > about 2.5GB. There are several dozen apps scattered around in other
> > locations of course.
>
> Have you looked at photoshop lately? Bryce? Poser? Those are 100+ MB on your
> HD. You are on a mac, so I choose those. Photoshop comes with several
> executable files, I don't consider each of them to be an application.
My Photoshop app only takes 15 Mb, the PhotoShop -FOLDER- is of course larger,
but on the other hand does it contain several application, per definition.
> > The biggest app folder I have is probably CodeWarrior, with all of
> > the docs, Win32 libraries, MacOS libraries, etc etc, gets close to 800MB.
> >
> > Think I'm making this stuff up ?
>
> No, but I don't think you've a defination of application that is even close
> to mine.
How about Apples definition. If he or I open up Sherlock, we can search for
"All files where type is Application" and he found 1000+, I find 853 or
something. And you yourself found 1,103 on your system, what is the problem? :)
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