Linux-Advocacy Digest #585, Volume #26 Thu, 18 May 00 19:13:08 EDT
Contents:
a great job ("Francis Van Aeken")
4 year old anecdotal evidence!! (Perry Pip)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (abraxas)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Perry Pip)
Re: Bill is a weenie ("1$worth")
Re: a great job ("1$worth")
Re: Sock Puppets (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT ("1$worth")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ("1$worth")
Re: Top 10 Reasons to use Linux ("1$worth")
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: HP-UX vs. Linux (Craig Kelley)
Re: a great job (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Bill is a weenie (JEDIDIAH)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (Marty)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Alan Boyd)
Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot. (Marty)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (JEDIDIAH)
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From: "Francis Van Aeken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: a great job
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:21:01 -0300
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Come to think of it, can you name ONE way in which Microsoft has made the
> world of computing better? I would say that he made the personal computer
> more accessible to the average dummy with his "easy to use" Windows 9X
> interface. That's one way. I really can't think of any other ways in
> which Microsoft has benefitted us.
They, together with Intel, brought computing to the masses. They brought us
cheap computers and cheap software. Computer no longer is a dirty word
and computer specialists are in high demand. In many ways, Microsoft
paved the way for newer and even cheaper operating systems like Linux.
Bill Gates did a great job.
Francis.
N.B. This doesn't mean you have to like them or even buy their products.
You are free and you always have been free to buy a Mac, a Sun or any
other non-wintel box.
N.B. Don't give me crap about how PCs or MS sofware are expensive.
N.B. Gates and the other stock-holders got rich in the process. So what?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: 4 year old anecdotal evidence!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:13:26 GMT
On 18 May 2000 00:44:19 GMT, Stephen S. Edwards II
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bob Hauck <hauck[at]codem{dot}com> writes:
>
>: On 16 May 2000 23:40:20 GMT, Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>: wrote:
>
>: >I was a Linux user since kernel v0.92. I used Linux until
>: >late 1996. Do you still wish to debate with me?
>
>: Linux has come a long way since 1996. Your knowledge is a bit dated.
>
>I'm sure it is. I'm not arguing the technical validity of Linux here,
But you are here:
Message-ID: <8fmlur$i7f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=623294410
__It's true, that X has been battered and beaten around
__very much, and now it is very stable under most conditions,
__but Linux has not had the same go around, and it's quite
__possible for X to bring Linux down to its knees.
You are making a claim here. Then you immediately follow with:
__This
__has happened to me several times, and no, it wasn't a
__hardware problem.
You are basing your claim on anecdotal evidence. Wait a minute, that's
nearly 4 year old anecdotal evidence!!
>I say kudos. All posters like ... Perry seem to do is post
>anecdotal nonsense,
That's exactly what you're doing above, 4 year old anecdotal
nonsense. It looks to me like you can't live up to your own measure.
Perry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: 18 May 2000 22:24:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 05/18/2000 at 09:00 PM,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) said:
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > You are very adept at using the tools taught by Hitler and Goebels in the
>> ^^^^^^
>> BZZZZZT. You loose, germer. So sorry about that.
>> Goodbye.
> Only in the eyes of stupid cowards hiding behind a false name. The opinion
> of assholes like you makes not a whit of an impact on me.
False name? My address is entirely bonafide, and my moniker happens to be
a combination of names, which are all mine. You are an idiot---and you wouldnt
know a linux advocate if they were sucking on your dick.
And before you even ask, the answer is no.
>> -----yttrx
> Oh, and by the way, "using" is the proper spelling of the word. "Useing"
> is totally, absolutely, horribly incorrect.
You're the one who said the 'H' word and voided every argument you made,
not me. I know better.
Apparantly you dont.
You're such a smart guy. Teach me.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:19:29 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 19:01:36 +1000, Christopher Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Thu, 18 May 2000 14:34:50 +1000,
>> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> On Thu, 18 May 2000 02:03:23 +1000,
>> >> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> http://x46.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=623637730
>> >> >> http://x46.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=623940112
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm afraid I can't see any lies there. Perhaps you'd care to post the
>> >> >specific parts you're referring to ?
>> >>
>> >> I already did at
>> >>
>> >> http://x46.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=624137505
>> >>
>> >> To which he never responded.
>> >
>> >Presumably you refer to the "I have seen a lot of BSODs in my time, and
>in
>> >every single
>> >instance, [...]" quote ?
>> >
>>
>> Yes, and then he in a followup he changed his story from "every single
>> instance" to "most". I guess you didn't finish reading the whole
>> thing.
>
>I did. One sentence was about BSODs, the other about "problems".
Go back to Deja and follow the context of the sub-thread - it was
about BSOD's. Stephen used the word "BSODs". A followup to his post
used the word "BSODs". In Stephen's conflicting followup to that he
used the word "problems". Nowhere did he change the context or define
"problems". So in that context problems implicitly meant "BSODs"
>> >> Anyone he disagrees with enough he labels a zealot.
>> >
>> >Usually they are.
>>
>> A generalization. It doesn't justify the many cases where he calls people
>> zealots and he's wrong.
>
>I can't recall any. However, since you're making the accusation I presume
>you're more than prepared to back it up ?
Nice try. He's the one calling people names. It's up to him to prove
it when he does so.
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From: "1$worth" <"1$worth"@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
Subject: Re: Bill is a weenie
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:29:56 +0100
Brian Langenberger wrote:
>
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <snip!>
>
> : 3.) Bill is a geek. Yes, Bill is one of us (Geek), but he is one of those
> : asshole geeks.
>
> Hey now. Geekdom implies technical competance. BillG certainly
> looks geeky, but he hasn't shown anything remotely technical since
> the Altair days. Let's not insult hard-working, technically adept
> geeks everywhere by placing BillG among them.
Let me jump to Bill's defense. He may not have hacked in some time, but
in the early years he put his mark on as much as he could (post
Altair!). As a control freak, he could not resist. He is smart.
Microsoft is a funny company - lots of smart people combined with many
arsholes and producing some crap and sometimes a few good things. Just a
shame they can't produce a stable OS.
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From: "1$worth" <"1$worth"@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
Subject: Re: a great job
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:35:53 +0100
Francis Van Aeken wrote:
>
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Come to think of it, can you name ONE way in which Microsoft has made the
> > world of computing better? I would say that he made the personal computer
> > more accessible to the average dummy with his "easy to use" Windows 9X
> > interface. That's one way. I really can't think of any other ways in
> > which Microsoft has benefitted us.
>
> They, together with Intel, brought computing to the masses. They brought us
> cheap computers and cheap software. Computer no longer is a dirty word
> and computer specialists are in high demand. In many ways, Microsoft
> paved the way for newer and even cheaper operating systems like Linux.
> Bill Gates did a great job.
A great job of shafing Apple and stealing the ideas that were themselves
stolen from PARC.
He did help bring computing to the masses though, and for that we must
be glad.
>
> Francis.
>
> N.B. This doesn't mean you have to like them or even buy their products.
> You are free and you always have been free to buy a Mac, a Sun or any
> other non-wintel box.
This is true - and we vote with out currency. I love Linux, but prefer
to use it as a server rather than on my desktop (unless programming -
where a OS crash = lots of swearing).
>
> N.B. Don't give me crap about how PCs or MS software are expensive.
M$ software ---- They are! That's not crap. How did he become so rich
but to exploit his natural monopoly... and why not!
>
> N.B. Gates and the other stock-holders got rich in the process. So what?
Good luck to them all I say. Just a shame that they keep breaking the
law.
Bill - how does it feel to be sued by your own government? - now that's
success!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Sock Puppets
Date: 18 May 2000 22:35:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Grant Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:46:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>So Steve, maybe you could at least be a bit more clever when choosing the
>>next name to post the next "linux sucks, here is my sobby story" nonsense.
>
>Don't forget "Syphon" -- looks the same. There have been more in
>the past.
>
>"Steve" should just stick to one name. The sock puppet campaign is
>silly.
Clearly, Steve lied a couple of months ago when he promised
to stop posting under false identities. Recently he's been
using Earthlink to do it instead of ATT Worldnet.
He's so anxious to stop people from using Linux, and have
them stay with Microsoft Windows, that he tries to make it
appear that a lot of different people are complaining about
Linux.
But most of them turn out to be him.
There have been many of these "linux sucks" posts under
various fake names in the last few weeks, all written in the
same style about the same bogus "problems". The articles
have similar headers, and they all originate from New York.
Steve is the Microsoft worm in the Big Apple.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost
Date: 18 May 2000 17:34:07 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>This whole debate is very funny. NeXTMail of course allowed exactly
>what Outlook does (did :) and it was a Unix program (if you count
>NeXTSTEP as a Unix which is sort of was, just with a lot of extra's).
>But it did it ten years ago. It's a circle game alright.
Allowing you to send an attachment to a shell is a very different
thing than making that the default action when you chose
to 'open' it. Did NeXTMail actually let the sender choose
(by the file type) what would happen on 'open', and was a
shell one of the choices?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "1$worth" <"1$worth"@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to Use Windows NT
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:42:51 +0100
Raul Valero wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Well, Microsoft press has some good books (not to many, I admit).
My favorite is the one entitled "Writing Solid Code". The first time I
saw this I thought it may be a joke, yet no! It even has a few useful
tips. Same their programmers don't read their own library. :-)
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 May 2000 16:46:44 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
> False name? My address is entirely bonafide, and my moniker happens to be
> a combination of names, which are all mine.
Wasn't "abraxas" that Klingon penal colony-planet from Star Trek 6?
I don't know why I thought of it, but...
[snip flame-fest]
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "1$worth" <"1$worth"@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:47:15 +0100
TheKeyMan wrote:
> [snip]
> To put it bluntly, Linux Looks like shit. The fonts are jagged and
> boxy. Staroffice is a complete bloated mess of a joke compared to
> Office.
> Netscape looks like crap and performs like crap also.
Well, Netscape does look like crap - hence my headers. Crashes with the
same frequency under Win, Solaris and Linux I've found! Staroffice is
"different", but you can get the job done!
> Our imported Word/Excel doc's did not transfer well at all into
> StarOffice.
Yep.
> We had severe network performance problems after installing Linux.
Well, this is shit. Configure your box correctly and Linux will sing. My
box is wonderful and serves me well, this is where Linux currently
EXCELS - the desktop and application will follow in time.
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From: "1$worth" <"1$worth"@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
Subject: Re: Top 10 Reasons to use Linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:48:18 +0100
Yes, I find penguins sexy, what's your problem?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: 18 May 2000 17:47:30 -0500
In article <8g1frc$fsk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bernie
>
>P.S.: Updatedb can also get kinda annoying when it gets to your newsspool.
> Especially when you don't expire news, and have directories with
> 100,000+ files...... Time to go Reiserfs ;-)
Or add it to EXCLUDE in /etc/updatedb.conf, or the -e list on
the command line in the cron job.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: HP-UX vs. Linux
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 May 2000 16:49:29 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) writes:
> On 18 May 2000 13:43:59 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ben Chauss� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Do you know what is best between HP-UX and Linux. We want to create a
> >> web server, and we would like to know what is best does two one ????
> >
> >About the only thing HPUX is going to give you that Linux can't is
> >obscurity (which can be a good defense against script kiddies).
>
>
> HP 9000 V-Class servers running HP-UX scale up to 128 processors and
> 128GB of memory.
>
> http://www.unixsolutions.hp.com/products/servers/vclass/overview/index.html
>
> Linux can't do that. Nonetheless, if he needed that much power in a
> single machine, I'd recommend he go with a Sun. If a PC farm will do
> I'd recommend either Linux or BSD.
That's a foregone conclusion; anyone even considering Linux on a
128-way (or even 32-way) SMP box should have their head examined. :)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: a great job
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:52:34 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 19:21:01 -0300, Francis Van Aeken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Come to think of it, can you name ONE way in which Microsoft has made the
>> world of computing better? I would say that he made the personal computer
>> more accessible to the average dummy with his "easy to use" Windows 9X
>> interface. That's one way. I really can't think of any other ways in
>> which Microsoft has benefitted us.
>
>They, together with Intel, brought computing to the masses. They brought us
Apple did that sooner.
>cheap computers and cheap software. Computer no longer is a dirty word
Commodore & Atari did that sooner.
>and computer specialists are in high demand. In many ways, Microsoft
>paved the way for newer and even cheaper operating systems like Linux.
>Bill Gates did a great job.
Billy is a sand bagger. DOS rode on the good name of IBM.
Low cost PC computing was due to the efforts of cloners
like AMD and Phoenix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.
If Intel had it's way, an 4M 486 would still cost $1000.
They make lousy chips too. With their cohort Microsoft, they
helped ensure that computing in the year 2000 would be
constrained by Intel's circa 1981 mistakes. Even when Intel did
get it's act together, it took Micrsoft another 10 years to
take advantage of it (i386).
Linux exists because Billy was a sandbagger and lots of people
realized it: most notably a college kid in Finland.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Bill is a weenie
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:53:37 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 23:29:56 +0100, 1$worth <@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
wrote:
>Brian Langenberger wrote:
>>
>> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> <snip!>
>>
>> : 3.) Bill is a geek. Yes, Bill is one of us (Geek), but he is one of those
>> : asshole geeks.
>>
>> Hey now. Geekdom implies technical competance. BillG certainly
>> looks geeky, but he hasn't shown anything remotely technical since
>> the Altair days. Let's not insult hard-working, technically adept
>> geeks everywhere by placing BillG among them.
>
>Let me jump to Bill's defense. He may not have hacked in some time, but
>in the early years he put his mark on as much as he could (post
>Altair!). As a control freak, he could not resist. He is smart.
>Microsoft is a funny company - lots of smart people combined with many
>arsholes and producing some crap and sometimes a few good things. Just a
>shame they can't produce a stable OS.
Would they even want to?
Get it right the first time and you can't keep on charging for
updates... <snicker>
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot.
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:56:45 GMT
Brian Lewis wrote:
>
> "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jumping into discussions again, Brian? How typical.
>
> What alleged "discussion"?
Non sequitur, as a particular "discussion" was not singled out by me. Having
reading comprehension problems?
> > Brian Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > > "tholenbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Eric Bennett wrote (using a pseudotholen again):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article <8fk3j9$8g4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen S. Edwards
> > > > > > II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If anyone on USENET ever wishes to emulate Templeton, as
> > > > > > > some seem take great pride and joy in emulating Dave Tholen
> > > > > > > (whom I know nothing of, outside of the opinions of others),
> > > > > > > just simply follow these steps:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Illogical. The true home of the tholenbot is
> > > > > > comp.os.os2.advocacy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect. How typical.
> > > >
> > > > Evidence, please.
> > >
> > > $19.95 please
> >
> > How $19.95 is "$19.95", Brian?
>
> Incorrect use of variable of type "float."
On what basis do you make this ridiculous claim?
> Cannot assign the string value "$19.95."
What you "cannot assign" is irrelevant. What you can prove is relevant.
> > > (shipping and handling fees.)
> >
> > How ironic.
>
> Incorrect.
Evidence, please.
> > > > > Tholenbot always picks the right newsgroup for the
> > > > > job. Sometimes that is COOA.
> > > >
> > > > The right "newsgroup"? How rich!
> > >
> > > On what basis do you claim that the "newsgroup" is "rich"?
> >
> > Don't you know?
>
> You fail to answer the question.
On the contrary, you have simply failed to locate my response.
> Typical.
How ironic, coming from the person who just failed to answer my question:
M> How $19.95 is "$19.95", Brian?
> > > > > At least you made no attempt to conceal your own misinformation.
> > > >
> > > > What alleged "misinformation"?
> > >
> > > Why, don't you know?
> >
> > See what I mean?
>
> You fail to answer the question.
On the contrary, you have simply failed to locate my response.
> Typical.
How ironic, coming from the person who just failed to answer my question:
M> How $19.95 is "$19.95", Brian?
> > > > > > On what basis do you claim that the lunatic is "on the grass"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ask your grasshopper
> > > >
> > > > The grasshopper is in my head.
> > >
> > > What alleged "head"?
> >
> > Reading comprehension problems?
>
> What alleged "comprehension"?
Don't you know? It's your comprehension.
> > > > On what basis do you claim that the lunatic is "on the grass"?
> > >
> > > Illogical.
> >
> > On what basis do you make this claim?
>
> Typical invective.
Illogical. Meanwhile I see you have failed to answer my question again. How
ironic, coming from the person who said the following 2 (!!) times in this
very posting:
BL> You fail to answer the question. Typical.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 18 May 2000 17:56:58 -0500
In article <8g1k4e$qes$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: But, for a RH system, the RH placements are standard. This turns
>: out to be an acquired taste. Back when it was hard to find up to
>: date RPMs for everything and many programs needed local tuning to
>: work right, it was kind of annoying to have my custom-compiled
>: programs land in /usr/local/ while the stock RH versions of the
>: same thing did not use /usr/local at all. However, now that just
>: about everything in the world is already built as an up-to-date RH
>: oriented rpm and I only have a few things in /usr/local, I
>: am starting to like it that way.
>
>I've been using debian sources for too long now to remember what I used
>to have to undo in the RH ones. I think it was config files that didn't
>go into /etc but instead some place in /usr/lib.
RH puts all config files in etc, even the ones that don't really
belong there. For example /usr/lib/X11/lib/xinit is a symlink to
./../../../etc/X11/xinit.
>I use /usr/local for things that weren't in my original system and
>aren't likely to be in it for the foreseeable future. Netscape would
>be an example, though I can't think of any good ones.
On an stock rpm-installed Redhat - and Mandrake:
/usr/bin/netscape
/usr/bin/netscape-communicator
/usr/bin/netscape-navigator
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:58:32 +0000
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> I see... however it does present a barrier to such as myself, coming from
> OpenVMS to Windows then to Linux. I'm used to seeing fairly descriptive
> commands like DIR, TYPE and PRINT, instead of the obscure ls, cat and lpr.
>
Actually, dir in linux in the same as its Windows counterpart. As for the
others,
you could alias them.
alias copy='cp'
alias type='cat'
and so on. This works within bash.
Colin Day
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From: Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:59:52 -0500
Jim wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> [snip]
> > > OLE was introduced as part of the OS in 1992, it was NEVER an
> > > office only solution.
> >
> > OLE officially used by MS prior to 1992 and it was an office only
> > solution. The Apps group invented OLE for their exclusive use.
> >
> > WHEN OLE was added to the OS MS said the correct defintion and
> > documentation on how OLE worked was defined by their Office
> > implementation.
> >
>
> I am on thin ice here, because I don't remember the time frame, but
> wasn't OLE just another M$copy of an Apple technology--the Publish and
> Subscribe protocol? Anyone? (with actual knowlege, of course)
The only actual knowledge I have is what I read in magazines at the
time. But, in case you don't know about this, here's an article by a
self described "Mac-Bigot":
http://www.mackido.com/History/History_OLE.html
--
"I don't believe in anti-anything. A man has to have a
program; you have to be *for* something, otherwise you
will never get anywhere." -- Harry S Truman
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: HUMOR: CSMA has the Tholenbot... we should have the Templetonbot.
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:00:16 GMT
Eric Bennett (little bot) wrote (using a little pseudonym again):
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty (little rat)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Eric Bennett wrote (using a Macintosh again):
>
> Evidence, please.
Witness your message headers.
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Non sequitur, as no erroneous claims were made by me
> > >
> > > Your attempt to avoid admitting your lie by use of the passive voice is
> > > ineffective, Marty.
> >
> > What alleged attempt to avoid admitting my alleged lie by use of the
> > alleged passive voice?
>
> Don't you know?
Irrelevant. I see you failed to answer the question again. No surprise
there.
> It's your attempt, Marty (little rat).
Attribution problems, Eric (little bot)? Taking erroneous attribution lessons
from Jim Stuyck?
> On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
Still having reading comprehension problems?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:02:03 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 23:47:15 +0100, 1$worth <@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net>
wrote:
>
>
>TheKeyMan wrote:
>> [snip]
>> To put it bluntly, Linux Looks like shit. The fonts are jagged and
>> boxy. Staroffice is a complete bloated mess of a joke compared to
>> Office.
>> Netscape looks like crap and performs like crap also.
>
>Well, Netscape does look like crap - hence my headers. Crashes with the
Netscape isn't that hard to beautify actually...
>same frequency under Win, Solaris and Linux I've found! Staroffice is
>"different", but you can get the job done!
>
>> Our imported Word/Excel doc's did not transfer well at all into
>> StarOffice.
>
>Yep.
Actually, I originally installed StarOffice specifically because
it could deal with Excel files better than 123 can...
Such underdetailed comparisons are of little value. Likely, anything
short of the original app will all short when importing a document.
[deletia]
For example: exchanging legal documents between the current versions
of WordPerfect and MSWord (both win32) can be quite hairy.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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