Linux-Advocacy Digest #585, Volume #29 Tue, 10 Oct 00 21:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... (Steve Mading)
Re: What're Linus's computer/laptop specs? (Steve Mading)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (2:1)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (.)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: The Power of the Future! (2:1)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Marty)
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform (Bill Vermillion)
Re: welcome to the world of objects (FM)
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) ("Adam Warner")
Re: Competition (lyttlec)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Shit-head Tholen ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Chad Myers")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Static66)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Gary Hallock)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Gary Hallock)
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Date: 10 Oct 2000 23:03:15 GMT
Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:57:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>actually i think Claire is making a very good job at arguing for here(?)
:>point, you may or may not agree with her(?)
: It is an it named Steve.
In all fairness, all we really know is that it first started
posting here under the name "Steve". We don't even know if
that's the real name or if that was also a pseudonym. For
all we know, it might really be Claire, and it started out
with the false name "Steve". All we really know is that it's
the same person, not what this person's real name is.
(And to clarify, I'm not the Steve that Bob was talking about).
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What're Linus's computer/laptop specs?
Date: 10 Oct 2000 23:04:56 GMT
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: sorry, my fault, bad english. No Linus and other developers have been given alpha
:workstations.
(I know. I was merely trying to be pendanticly humourous.)
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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:13:31 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> El lun, 09 oct 2000, Richard escribi�:
> ><rolleyes> They're not commenting on the genetic difference between
> >humans and neanderthals, they're commenting on the common picture of
> >neanderthals among the general population as stupid brutes.
>
> They are commenting on the appearance of neanderthals. Since that's all we have
> to base our guess of their genetical differences, it does matter.
Oh, of course, the fact that Neanderthals never possessed any language
doesn't matter at all. This is entirely superficial, irrelevant and a
matter of appearance only.
> >> >Libertarians and Fascists versus Marxists, Anarcho-Syndicalists and
> >> >Stalinists.
> >>
> >> I'm none of those.
> >
> >Which means nothing. I know extreme right-wingers who identify
> >neither with Libertarianism nor Fascism.
>
> What can I say? My political position is known by me and not by you.
And not even by you. "probably" to the left of the main US parties ??
Doesn't sound like you know anything about your political position.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:09:39 +0100
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:17:17 +0100
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> What about Windows 2000? Afraid to compare it because you know Linux
> >> doesn't hold a candle to it?
> >
> >Guess what, Drestin, it *COSTS* to upgrade to Win2K. Sinck you used to
> >sat that NT4 was so great, then why bother?
>
> Pedant point: Does Chad Myers == Drestin Black? :-)
Nuts! I was mixing up my trolls.
> >
> >> Let's try to compare apples to apples, please. NT 4.0 is better than Linux
> >> 2.0 or 1.2, but that's not saying much.
> >
> >Actually, no it's not. I used 2.0.32 until very recently, and it was
> >more stable than NT has been for me.
> >I needed to upgrde to get drivers for a new device.
>
> NT for me has been fairly stable, but it does seem to like
> to do strange stuff from time to time -- "and what icons would
> you want to view today?" is my personal favorite, but the most
> typical one is "Tooltips? We don't need no steenkin tooltips!"
> on the bottom icon bar. There are also the desktop refreshes
> which are done occasionally for no obvious reason (harmless,
> but annoying).
I have used NT a lot, it can be stable, but it does behave a little
strangely now and again, not to mention the odd bluescreen.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 10 Oct 2000 23:22:27 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8rv445$utm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Chad Myers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You're comparing a relatively new (although based on archaic
> technology)
>> >>
>> >> This one always irritates me, the Windows people say it about Linux,
> and the
>> > Linux
>> >> people say it about Windows.
>>
>> > Well, the Linux people seem to not understand the difference between
>> > Win9x and WinNT/2K (which only further proves my theme that Linvocates
> seem to
>> > have not much clue about the state of the rest of the computing
> industry).
>>
>> > WinNT/2K is not based on DOS. Period. DOS (cmd.exe) in NT is merely a
> tiny
>> > subsystem for compatibility, just like POSIX subsystem and the OS/2
> subsystem.
>>
>> Actually, the POSIX subsystem and OS/2 subsystem dont work at all. Oh
> sure, theyre
>> there for certification sake, but they dont actually do anything.
> Oh really? And how is it that you determine the POSIX subsystem to be
> non-functional?
Ive had the enormous dissatisfaction of using it.
=====.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:24:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
>
> >>>>>>> Sorry David, you lose.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>
> >>>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
> >>>>> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
> >>>>> postings.
>
> >>>> You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
> >>>> Marty.
>
> >>> Very good, Dave.
>
> >> So why did you bring up "off-topic posting", Marty?
>
> > Just staying on topic. Look at the thread topic.
>
> I'm looking at what you wrote, Marty.
Of what relevance is this self-evident remark?
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:25:32 +0100
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:46:40 +0100
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> Compare that to "spirt" versus "spurt" - not a typo but someone who spells
> >> words as they sound, not very safe for English. "spirt" is not even a word.
> >
> >Don't be a fool, Drestin (though it is hard for you, I know). Look at
> >your keyboard. What key is directly to the left of the 'U'?
>
> I think you meant to the *right* of the U -- the letter to the *left*
> of the U is in fact Y. :-)
SOD!!!!!!
I'll stop laughing at those people who misspell spelling flames...
-Ed
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random QWERTY (quirky?) pedantry here
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:36:18 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Loren Petrich wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Loren Petrich wrote:
> >
> > > > Responsibility can mean giving others handouts, it would seem.
> > > It's called CHOICE, retard.
> >
> > > Can you comprehend the idea of DECIDING to give something to a particular
> > > person, as opposed to having the fruit of one's labors CONFISCATED and
> > > distributed to shiftless and lazy drunks, drug addicts and whores, and
> > > their demon spawn.
> >
> > You sure have a vivid imagination, don't you?
>
> Are you alleging that the welfare rolls are NOT filled with drunks,
> drug-addicts, and out-of-wedlock-breeding sluts.
One of the tenants upon which this country was founded is that it is better to
let 1000 guilty men go free than it is to imprison an innocent man. Applying
this logic a bit further, the government has decided that it is better to feed
1000 people who don't deserve it than it is to let someone who does go
hungry. Sure there are loads of folks living off of welfare and government
programs who have no intention of working or changing their situation, but
there are some hard-working individuals who have hit hard times and need the
government's support to get them back on their feet.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:24:38 GMT
In article <8rvkp7$la1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul 'Z' Ewande� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
><SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
>> >Well, the loosely coupled cluster nevertheless embarrassed IBM
>> >enough for them to set up one and grab first place, to be later
>> >beaten by a Compaq cluster.
>> Do you really think IBM is that coherent?
Nah. Coherent used to make a clone Unix OS years ago.
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FM)
Subject: Re: welcome to the world of objects
Date: 10 Oct 2000 23:54:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So, you claim that languages that use concepts humans don't
>understand intuatively are a bad thing, but then propose as
>a better language one that has circular definitions in it??!
>That makes no sense to any human who knows basic logic.
>Infinite recursion in a definition is definately NOT an
>example of something being intuative for humans to figure
>out.
Well I think you might want to look up some words in
a dictionary and see how far you get without circular
definitions or infinite recursion.
Dan.
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:10:02 +1300
Hi Rex,
Thanks for the comprehensive reply Rex. I've always enjoyed reading them and
I always wonder how long it takes you to write them :-)
An update with my configuration: After living in a Linux-only universe for a
few days I've come back to using Windows 2000 Professional as my
workstation. Some of the applications I was using are still not as reliable,
comprehensive, or compatible with/as MS closed source solutions.
Of course this still means Linux is great on the server side. But I can also
have the benefit of running open source and/or GPLed applications on Win32
such as Perl, PHP, MySQL, Apache etc.
One thing I have noticed between NTFS and the ext2 file system is that NTFS
is much better at handling small cluster sizes (1kB) for large disks
(>=8GB). If I create an ext2 file system with 1kB clusters it takes a long
time to mount and appears to use a significant amount of memory in the
process.
Remarking on MS Office compatibility Rex, if you deal with colleagues that
use the native MS Office file formats you really have to have MS Office and
nothing else. Dual booting is inefficient, Bochs is far too slow (I gave
that another go), plex86(.org) isn't ready yet, Office 2000 will be the
hardest set of applications to ever get running properly under WINE (and MS
will be able to break compatibility with any future versions or service
releases), and finally I'm not prepared to pay for VMWare.
However I have high hopes for StarOffice after it is dual license GPLed on
Friday 13th. Within a year or two very good Office compatibility will
probably be freely available (for Office 2000 at least. MS will shift the
goalposts again with Office 2001).
Regards,
Adam
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From: lyttlec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Competition
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:25:51 GMT
John Sanders wrote:
>
> Jesper Krogh wrote:
> >
> > > >What is your point exactly? It strikes me that although MS may use bits
> > > >and bobs of stuff from open source apps, they make a poor job of it.
> > >
> > > Don't forget that they cannot use any code from GNU licence software without
> > > supplying then end product with full sourcecode or being prosecuted for
> > > breaking the terms of the licence. I'd like to see them try to defend that
> > > one on top of the DOJ case (copyright theft will not do them much good).
> >
> > But how can anyone know ?
> > I mean can they freely use the code without anyone knowing about it ?
> >
> > --
> > ./Jesper Krogh.
> > The Goal is world domination, no more, no less.
> > This means that your PC should run linux too.
>
> You could 'diff' hex dumps from each system then extract various
> lengths of matching bytes and examine them by hand.
>
> --
> John W. Sanders
> ---------------
> "there" in or at a place.
> "their" of or relating to them.
> "they're" contraction of 'they are'.
Better than diff is to find "longest common subsequence" between two
files. Diff sometimes fails because it tries to find the minimum cost
edit to transform one file into another. The LCS route tries to find
long chains of similar code in the two files, no matter where it is
located. Several code thiefs have been caught because they didn't know
this trick. I think Stacker caught MS that way, but I'm not sure.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:30:31 -0400
Marty wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Responsibility can mean giving others handouts, it would seem.
> > > > It's called CHOICE, retard.
> > >
> > > > Can you comprehend the idea of DECIDING to give something to a particular
> > > > person, as opposed to having the fruit of one's labors CONFISCATED and
> > > > distributed to shiftless and lazy drunks, drug addicts and whores, and
> > > > their demon spawn.
> > >
> > > You sure have a vivid imagination, don't you?
> >
> > Are you alleging that the welfare rolls are NOT filled with drunks,
> > drug-addicts, and out-of-wedlock-breeding sluts.
>
> One of the tenants upon which this country was founded is that it is better to
> let 1000 guilty men go free than it is to imprison an innocent man. Applying
> this logic a bit further, the government has decided that it is better to feed
> 1000 people who don't deserve it than it is to let someone who does go
> hungry.
Here's a solution: GET A FUCKING JOB.
The remaining *TRUE* hardship cases can be handled through private charity.
> Sure there are loads of folks living off of welfare and government
> programs who have no intention of working or changing their situation, but
> there are some hard-working individuals who have hit hard times and need the
> government's support to get them back on their feet.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
First...AFDC, WIC, SSI, etc, do NOT encourage anybody to "get back on their
feet"...quite the opposite...it encourages them to further indulge in their
pathological behavior.
FUCK THAT!
If the government wasn't confiscating %50 of what I earn, I could
be helping numerous people actually
By the way...since when was it an American principle that 1000 people
should be held accountable for the self-destructive behavior of one?
Answer: Never...this country was founded upon the principle of
PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
If you FUCK UP and find yourself impoverished, then you had best
start to un-fuck yourself if you want to get out of poverty.
Being broke is a matter of circumstance
Poverty is a way of life.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Shit-head Tholen
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:12 -0400
Marty wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Marty writes:
> >
> > >>>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
> >
> > >>>>>>> Sorry David, you lose.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
> >
> > >>>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
> >
> > >>>>> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
> > >>>>> postings.
> >
> > >>>> You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
> > >>>> Marty.
> >
> > >>> Very good, Dave.
> >
> > >> So why did you bring up "off-topic posting", Marty?
> >
> > > Just staying on topic. Look at the thread topic.
> >
> > I'm looking at what you wrote, Marty.
>
> Of what relevance is this self-evident remark?
Tholen is a shit-head.
Literally.
His head is not merely filled with shit....it IS shit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:37:16 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Marty wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Loren Petrich wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Responsibility can mean giving others handouts, it would seem.
> > > > > It's called CHOICE, retard.
> > > >
> > > > > Can you comprehend the idea of DECIDING to give something to a
particular
> > > > > person, as opposed to having the fruit of one's labors CONFISCATED and
> > > > > distributed to shiftless and lazy drunks, drug addicts and whores, and
> > > > > their demon spawn.
> > > >
> > > > You sure have a vivid imagination, don't you?
> > >
> > > Are you alleging that the welfare rolls are NOT filled with drunks,
> > > drug-addicts, and out-of-wedlock-breeding sluts.
> >
> > One of the tenants upon which this country was founded is that it is better
to
> > let 1000 guilty men go free than it is to imprison an innocent man.
Applying
> > this logic a bit further, the government has decided that it is better to
feed
> > 1000 people who don't deserve it than it is to let someone who does go
> > hungry.
>
> Here's a solution: GET A FUCKING JOB.
>
> The remaining *TRUE* hardship cases can be handled through private charity.
>
Here's another solution: LOWER THE FUCKING TAXES
If the taxes weren't so obtrusive, people would have more money, more
purchasing power, the economy would boom even more because there would be
more jobs because more people had more money and could buy more things
and partake of more services. People would get and spend more money
which means they would pay overall more taxes. In the long run, everyone's
happy and there would be no need for huge ill-managed government programs
that give money away and can't seem to keep track of where it's going
(Dept. of Education: $119 mill mission, Dept. of Agriculture: $5 billion
missing, Dept. of Transportation: $millions missing (can't find exact
number, but I know it was in the hundreds of millions))
-Chad
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From: Static66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:44:00 GMT
On 10 Oct 2000 21:21:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Loren Petrich wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, STATIC66
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 05:04:05 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
>>> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > >> Purdue out-of-state tuition is NOT subsidized, and I wasn't
>>> > >> getting anything from my parents, either.
>>> > > Cry me a river. I presume that you reimbursed the government for the
>>> > >cost of military training also.
>>> > Yes I did, with hard work, sacrifice and months and months away from
>>> > my family, whilst you enjoyed the freedoms I was protecting.
>>>
>>> Enjoy feeling sorry for yourself. Did you pay in MONEY???
>
>> Loren, you owe every serviceman a LOT more than what you have paid
>> them. If it was not for us, you would be the impoverished subject
>> of some totalitarian regime.
>
>Hah. If it wasnt for you sitting in a comfortable chair in front of
>some kind of 'communications' console? You arent FIGHTING, friend, you're
>(if youre in the reserves, especially) wimping out. You are a coward
>and an idiot.
>
No you sir are an idiot.
You do not have the faintest clue. A man with a rifle is just that. An
army without logistic services and communication is worthless..
I happen to be what is know as an " F.O." forward observer. I (part of
a 4 man team) am dropped ahead of the front line by helo (or put on a
beachhead and then hike my ass and 200 lbs of gear inland) Then I sit
on a hill and rain steel down upon the enemy. that is to say
coordinate air strikes, call artillery strikes, adjust their fire
until the target is DEAD. Call in navel guns, etc etc.
so do not talk to me about cowards.
Have you served??
Have you walked a patrol in bosnia not knowing if your next step is
your last?? I have.
Go fuck yourself chump..
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:54:11 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Joe Halpin wrote:
>
> A friend of mine just got a product I hadn't heard of before, but it
> appears to work very well. It's called win4lin.
>
> He was running Office97 under Window 98 in a Linux window. I watched
> him bring up Powerpoint, and Word, and he says he runs Quicken at home
> with it.
>
> http://www.trelos.com/
>
> Joe
>From what I have heard, Win4Lin is quite good. It is similar to
Vmware, but cheaper (I think about $40). It's not the same, though, as
Wine. Both Win4Lin and Vmare allow you to boot up Windows under Linux
rather than implementing the Win32 API. You still need copy of Windows
for Win4Lin and Vmware.
Gary
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:59:03 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Mike Byrns wrote:
> Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, this whole discussion seems to be based on a false assumption.
> > Notepad does work on Wine. And I run Lotus Notes under Wine every day at
> > work.
>
> Where's the link ?
Check out:
http://www.winecentric.com/
The latest update to this web page is a few months old. I have been successful
running both Notes 4.67 and 5.0
Gary
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