Linux-Advocacy Digest #217, Volume #27 Tue, 20 Jun 00 22:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ??? (peter)
Re: slashdot is down -again- (mlw)
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I had a reality check today :( (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I had a reality check today :( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The MEDIA this year! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:35:42 GMT
God you ARE a STUPID FUCK...
The repetitive function in and of itself incorporates the Cache (not
Cash like you think).....
You must be one real dumb asshole......
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:16:33 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Okay, I'll play....
>I think you actually mean business here so I'm going
>to entertain you personally.
>
>Go into C or Cobol or what you have there and write me out
>a large serial file with say 80 Byte or what ever length record
>you want.
>
>Write out 20 megs worth.
>
>Then read it in.
>
>Repeat the read several times.
>
>From raw re-boot, the NT box shows no speed difference from
>the first read to the last.
>
>Now, go try it on any Linux. You will find that disk caching
>has been observed and subsequent read's are faster.
>
>This is why you wanted me to do it from a re-boot and I complied.
>Then I did it again, point well taken. It is quicker the second
>time around.
>
>And you admitted this being a factor.
>
>And by admitting that as a factor, you have proven to all of us
>that you agree NT IE Microsoft isn't worth it's weight in shit
>as it cashes nothing from the drive.
>
>
>And that's true. NT cashes nothing.
>It is the most resource abusing operating system I've ever seen.
>
>I think it takes every meg you have of memory and committe's it
>to program memory for working storage issues.
>
>NT doesn't even know what a disk cache is.
>
>But I want you and the other's to re-read what you and I've said
>so they can see the comments for themselves.
>
>You make a point of proving Windows is superior and by doing so
>show us you know of it's deficiencies...
>
>That's sort of defeatest on your part, isn't it.
>
>Charlie
>
>
>
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Open /dev via kfm and time how long it takes for the gear to stop
>> spinning.......
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:11:02 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Typical LinoNut semantic argument designed to take the focus off the
>> >> original point that KDE sucks compared to Windows as far as the
>> >> consistancy and speed of the gui is concerned.
>> >>
>> >> The point is like I said above. Who cares what the cause is?
>> >
>> >
>> >You idiot. The KDE is several clock cycles ahead of Windows anything.
>> >You can also have more sessions open.
>> >
>> >You know nothing about X or KDE or Gnome.
>> >And you know damn little about OS's like NT.
>> >
>> >Charlie
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:07:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher
>> >> Browne) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jeff Szarka would say:
>> >> >>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:58:07 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>>> The UI IS the OS for desktop users. Command line or GUI, it doesn't
>> >> >>>> matter. An ugly mess of a UI makes the OS an ugly mess to use. Sums up
>> >> >>>> Linux as a consumer grade OS almost perfectly.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Simple. If you don't like KDE use something else. The chioce is yours,
>> >> >>>no on is forcing KDE on to you...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The sad part is... KDE is the best window manger for Linux.
>> >> >
>> >> >The sad part is... Clueless idiots that think KDE _is_ a window
>> >> >manager, despite _vast_ quantities of evidence to the contrary.
>> >> >
>> >> >How many times do you need to be told that KDE is not a window manager
>> >> >until it will penetrate deep enough into your pea brain to take
>> >> >sufficient hold that you might feebly wonder: "Is KDE a window
>> >> >manager? Maybe not..."
>> >> >
>> >> >KDE is _NOT_ a window manager.
>> >> >
>> >> >When you state that it is, you simply make evident your ignorance, so
>> >> >as to demonstrate that what you say is based on ignorance and
>> >> >apparently complete apathy to educate yourself.
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From: peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ???
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:36:26 -0400
I'm setting up two 486 linux systems, one will be a small web sever,
firewall, and ip masq.
The other will be a machine to write perl programs on.
I have two 250 meg drives, I don't plan to install X, so which distro
is out there that will allow me to do what i want to do on the 486's
???
Thanks,
Peter
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: slashdot is down -again-
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:36:30 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> It runs Linsux or some deviant version of such (FreeBSD)
FreeBSD is in no way a derivative of Linux, and vice versa.
>
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:46:53 -0300, "Francis Van Aeken"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Of all the sites I frequent, Slashdot is the only one that is regularly down.
> >
> >Why is that?
> >
> >Francis.
> >
> >
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:38:30 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Great response woofbert!!!
> I'll respond below.
>
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:29:13 -0700, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Hello! It's about time the Linux world recognized that not everyone
> >likes to buy computer kits and put them together. Some people like to
> >buy computers and use them. (Bear with me ... I'm a Maccie who finds
> >himself strangely attracted to investigating Linux. My Yellow Dog and a
> >big ol' hard drive are in the mail.)
>
> Linux has a place in this world, but you are correct. Most people like
> to pull it out of the box and plug it in.
>
> >1. What to get your daughter? I'd recommend the iMac. It's what she
> >wants, and it's a kickass machine for the artistically inclined. (Please
> >forgive my stereotypical presumptions.)
>
> She IS artistic, but highly anti-computer. She would have been better
> off born in the 1960's as a flower child.
>
> She likes the concept of the iMac and I feel it might help her enjoy
> computers more.
>
> >2. What to do about the wide variety of hardware and bundled software?
> >This is hard ... Do you really *want* Linux to take over Windows'
> >position? Then you have to make something better than Windows ... which
> >means that it works with all the existing hardware and software, right,
> >the first time, without any problems. (Never mind all the stuff about
> >how Linux is technically or politically better than Windoze ... Maccies
> >have been saying that about the Mac for years and it hasn't worked.
> >Much.)
>
> That is my main beef with Linux. For the mass market it does
> absolutely NOTHING better than Windows. Sure if you're a student
> programmer you can be set up with compilers, editors and such for
> $1.99. the reality is most home users are not interested in that.
>
The reality is:
ALL software is written by programmers.
Most Windows machines have no facilities for writing code.
ALL Linux machines do.
5 years from now, who do you think will have the larger application
base, considering that every teenager with a Linux box is learning
to write code for it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:40:11 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Great response woofbert!!!
> I'll respond below.
>
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:29:13 -0700, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Hello! It's about time the Linux world recognized that not everyone
> >likes to buy computer kits and put them together. Some people like to
> >buy computers and use them. (Bear with me ... I'm a Maccie who finds
> >himself strangely attracted to investigating Linux. My Yellow Dog and a
> >big ol' hard drive are in the mail.)
>
> Linux has a place in this world, but you are correct. Most people like
> to pull it out of the box and plug it in.
>
> >1. What to get your daughter? I'd recommend the iMac. It's what she
> >wants, and it's a kickass machine for the artistically inclined. (Please
> >forgive my stereotypical presumptions.)
>
> She IS artistic, but highly anti-computer. She would have been better
> off born in the 1960's as a flower child.
>
> She likes the concept of the iMac and I feel it might help her enjoy
> computers more.
>
> >2. What to do about the wide variety of hardware and bundled software?
> >This is hard ... Do you really *want* Linux to take over Windows'
> >position? Then you have to make something better than Windows ... which
> >means that it works with all the existing hardware and software, right,
> >the first time, without any problems. (Never mind all the stuff about
> >how Linux is technically or politically better than Windoze ... Maccies
> >have been saying that about the Mac for years and it hasn't worked.
> >Much.)
>
> That is my main beef with Linux. For the mass market it does
> absolutely NOTHING better than Windows. Sure if you're a student
> programmer you can be set up with compilers, editors and such for
> $1.99. the reality is most home users are not interested in that.
>
> >From this perspective, Linux will have an easier time taking over
> >Windoze than Mac: Windoze systems are brittle, and people expect them to
> >be flaky.
>
> Very true, and the "what if your Lexus needed a tuneup every week "
> argument is a valid one.
>
> Mac systems are well-integrated and things work. Badly
> >designed software just doesn't make it in the Mac market. People will
> >not want to take a giant leap backwards in user-friendliness, usability,
> >reliability, and servicibility. Linux needs to become *consistent* if it
> >wants to take over Windows. And so far, that it ain't.
>
> Linux is a hodge podge of hacked together programs. Some are excellent
> and some pitiful. There is really no cohesive bond that holds them
> together.
Unix was DESIGNED from a "toolbox" approach, By your reasoning,
a mechanic's socket-wrench set is just a "hodge-podge" of pieces
of metal that can't do anything alone.
>
> Based on your suggestions I am going to investigate the iMac tomorrow.
>
> Thank you..
>
> Simon
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:39:21 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:32:40 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> If that's the best reply you can muster, you are a moron...
>>
>> You are an ostrich hiding in the sand and refusing to face the
>> reality.
>>
>
>Evidently, Simon is unaware of Judge Jackson's ruling.
>And the fact that Microsoft's testimony was frought with so many
>lies that, even M$'s courtroom supporters were appalled at the
>level of perjury.
Actually I can't stand Microsoft. The staged Explorer demo that failed
did it for me.
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:36:18 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Edited to correct false innuendo and implication of terms.
>> >
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Daughter graduating middle school this week and going into high school
>> >> and I thought a nice desktop computer system would make a worthwhile
>> >> graduation present.
>> >>
>> >> I have ALWAYS built every single one of my systems in the past all the
>> >> way from DTK motherboard based PC clones up to the Abit based system I
>> >> have now. Never, ever,ever, bought a pre-load.
>> >>
>> >> This time, possibly due to laziness or just a wearing down by all of
>> >> the glossy advertisements in the Sunday NY Times, I decided to go out
>> >> and look at all of these "ready made" systems that the typical Joe 18
>> >> pack will buy.
>> >>
>> >> BTW my daughter wants an iMac. Anybody know anything about them?
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, I went to CompUSA, Staples, Electronic City and several local
>> >> places, the kind of places I would avoid like the plague on my quest
>> >> and here is what I found.
>> >>
>> >> 1. LOSE Hardware is EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!
>> >> Motherboards have built in modems, Ethernet, SoundChips, video
>> >> and so forth. Much of this is LOSE hardware.
>> >>
>> >> 2. The included printer is usually some POS LOSE printer. Same for
>> >> scanner and USB devices are sometimes included as well.
>> >>
>> >> 3. The operating system is always LOSE 98SE and no credit is given for
>> >> not getting it.
>> >>
>> >> 4. Internet bundles (you are hostage to Compu$erve for 3 years) are
>> >> typically used to lower price.
>> >>
>> >> 5. You get a bunch of low priced software and nothing of real
>> >> substance. The exception was MS Works which is pretty decent.
>> >>
>> >> The iMac is starting to look better all the time :)
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, my point is that this is the typical way that a user buys a
>> >> computer. They are not like you and me who build our own, they walk
>> >> into a chain store and buy what seems, to them, to be the best value.
>> >>
>> >> My question is, how is Linux going to realistically overcome this?
>> >
>> >Destruction of "per CPU" licensing schemes is the first step.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Looking at the specs for Compaq, HP, Sony VIAO and others, absolutely
>> >> NONE of these would run Linux and support all the I/O devices the
>> >> person paid for.
>> >>
>> >> This IS the computer hardware market, like it or not. And I for one
>> >> DON't like it.
>> >>
>> >> Comments?
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid idiots that think KDE is a Window Manager
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:40:59 GMT
What do you mean I loose?
I opened that /dev and published the results!
There in this newsgroup idiot! Didn't you read it!
Somebody go get my posting and play it back for the old man.
You lost because Windows doesn't cash anything.
As I said, you require your Linux customers to re-boot before
using the file manager!
Well, you might have to re-boot every 10 seconds in the Windows
world but, we don't have to do that in the Linux world.
The answer was again, 4-5 seconds from a cold start and about
3 seconds ever after. That was for 2005 files!
And I'll repeat! It takes me 3 seconds to do the same thing at
work for just under 300 files.
Windows doesn't cash shit.
That's not a good thing Simon. That's a bad thing.
Now, be a BIG BOY and come up with your next argument.
Charlie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> You lose asshole.
>
> The majority of the population is not interested in writing programs.
> They USE programs....
>
> You show how much of an idiot you are with every post.
>
> Again:
>
> /dev OPEN IT WITH KFM AND SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES...
>
> Try a 20k directory under Windows 2k and it is INSTANTANEOUS!!!!!
> YOU CAN SCROLL FROM SECOND ONE......
>
> What is so hard about this for you to comprehend?
>
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:16:33 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Okay, I'll play....
> >I think you actually mean business here so I'm going
> >to entertain you personally.
> >
> >Go into C or Cobol or what you have there and write me out
> >a large serial file with say 80 Byte or what ever length record
> >you want.
> >
> >Write out 20 megs worth.
> >
> >Then read it in.
> >
> >Repeat the read several times.
> >
> >From raw re-boot, the NT box shows no speed difference from
> >the first read to the last.
> >
> >Now, go try it on any Linux. You will find that disk caching
> >has been observed and subsequent read's are faster.
> >
> >This is why you wanted me to do it from a re-boot and I complied.
> >Then I did it again, point well taken. It is quicker the second
> >time around.
> >
> >And you admitted this being a factor.
> >
> >And by admitting that as a factor, you have proven to all of us
> >that you agree NT IE Microsoft isn't worth it's weight in shit
> >as it cashes nothing from the drive.
> >
> >
> >And that's true. NT cashes nothing.
> >It is the most resource abusing operating system I've ever seen.
> >
> >I think it takes every meg you have of memory and committe's it
> >to program memory for working storage issues.
> >
> >NT doesn't even know what a disk cache is.
> >
> >But I want you and the other's to re-read what you and I've said
> >so they can see the comments for themselves.
> >
> >You make a point of proving Windows is superior and by doing so
> >show us you know of it's deficiencies...
> >
> >That's sort of defeatest on your part, isn't it.
> >
> >Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >> Open /dev via kfm and time how long it takes for the gear to stop
> >> spinning.......
> >>
> >> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:11:02 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Typical LinoNut semantic argument designed to take the focus off the
> >> >> original point that KDE sucks compared to Windows as far as the
> >> >> consistancy and speed of the gui is concerned.
> >> >>
> >> >> The point is like I said above. Who cares what the cause is?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You idiot. The KDE is several clock cycles ahead of Windows anything.
> >> >You can also have more sessions open.
> >> >
> >> >You know nothing about X or KDE or Gnome.
> >> >And you know damn little about OS's like NT.
> >> >
> >> >Charlie
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:07:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher
> >> >> Browne) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jeff Szarka would say:
> >> >> >>On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:58:07 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >>>> The UI IS the OS for desktop users. Command line or GUI, it doesn't
> >> >> >>>> matter. An ugly mess of a UI makes the OS an ugly mess to use. Sums up
> >> >> >>>> Linux as a consumer grade OS almost perfectly.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Simple. If you don't like KDE use something else. The chioce is yours,
> >> >> >>>no on is forcing KDE on to you...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>The sad part is... KDE is the best window manger for Linux.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The sad part is... Clueless idiots that think KDE _is_ a window
> >> >> >manager, despite _vast_ quantities of evidence to the contrary.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >How many times do you need to be told that KDE is not a window manager
> >> >> >until it will penetrate deep enough into your pea brain to take
> >> >> >sufficient hold that you might feebly wonder: "Is KDE a window
> >> >> >manager? Maybe not..."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >KDE is _NOT_ a window manager.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >When you state that it is, you simply make evident your ignorance, so
> >> >> >as to demonstrate that what you say is based on ignorance and
> >> >> >apparently complete apathy to educate yourself.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The MEDIA this year!
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:42:30 GMT
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:35:26 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>You have to own Microsoft stock don't you.
>That's the only answer I have.
>
>You failed in your KDE VS Windows bid, didn't
>even come back to argue that point again with me.
KDE is markedly slower than Windows at virtually anything from
redrawing a Windows to using kfm to display directories.
>As I said before!
>Pick up ANY COMPUTER MAGAZINE from your office or
>your grocery store and you will find it chalked full
>of stories about Linux and even more surprising, "EDITORIALS"
>from the EDITORS proposing your office switch to Linux this year!
Sources?
Evidently you have seen all of these magazines.
So where are they?
Please tell me so I can look at them....
>Now, be a BIG BOY and go do that for me.
>Do that as you didn't finish your KDE VS Windows argument with me.
>
>Charlie>
You're an idiot who can't back up his sources.
So where are your sources?
You come into this group and make all kinds of wild ass claims but
never back them up.
Where is the proof?
simon
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Sources?
>> Sources?
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:19:05 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Oh crap! Pick up any computer magazine at your local office they have.
>> >
>> >I want other people to post to this and give him your side of it.
>> >
>> >Charlie
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You are so incredibly full of shit it is unbelievable.
>> >> You never provide a source for any of these grandiose predictions of
>> >> yours..
>> >>
>> >> How about some sources?
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:45:15 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I have to write this.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've never seen so many big name magazines having editorials
>> >> >about Linux before! We must have 6 times the media coverage
>> >> >Windows has in the editorials this year. Magazine after
>> >> >Magazine, some editor is prodding your company to consider
>> >> >the Linux jump this year.
>> >> >
>> >> >They are taking polls.
>> >> >They are toughting the benefits.
>> >> >They are drawing networking diagrams of how they did it.
>> >> >They are showing the benefits of doing it.
>> >> >
>> >> >They are ENCOURAGING it THIS YEAR!
>> >> >
>> >> >I wonder what next year's magazines will be like.
>> >> >I mean I've NEVER seen the kind of media coverage
>> >> >for Linux that I've seen in the first 6 months of this year!
>> >> >
>> >> >They are pointing out the few advantages of Windows 2000 and
>> >> >their merits as opposed to Linux and saying this year is
>> >> >the year to move to Linux in the office.
>> >> >
>> >> >In polls, I've seen 10 reports showing something like 35% of
>> >> >business's polled said they would be starting a Linux movement
>> >> >within 2 years. Another 30% said they are considering it within
>> >> >the next 5 years. These are polls from corporate America.
>> >> >The balance say's they are not sure or won't.
>> >> >
>> >> >Those are some pretty serious figures. With those kinds of figures
>> >> >it seems that 60% of corporate America will be under the Linux umbrella
>> >> >by 2005.
>> >> >
>> >> >Some of the magazines have multiple editorials and even profile stories
>> >> >about Linux in the office place.
>> >> >
>> >> >I see these magazines at my office and the offices of others.
>> >> >They are targeted at commerical users. They have ad's for
>> >> >Windows Back office server, and mini-computers, ATM networks,
>> >> >high powered copier/printers, so on and so forth. Not residential
>> >> >magazines.
>> >> >
>> >> >But now that we are on the subject of Computers in the residential
>> >> >section, took a trip to the grocery store to view some of the stories
>> >> >in the magzines on the shelf. It was a virutal replay of the same
>> >> >story.
>> >> >Appearently here, you see the big write-ups about Mandrake 7.1.
>> >> >About Suse 6.4, Redhat 6.2 all the majors were in there in stories.
>> >> >
>> >> >The typical residential magazine is quickly becomming a linux variety
>> >> >magazine.
>> >> >
>> >> >There WERE some windows stories in there, about 1/2 of the magazine was
>> >> >filled with Windows stories.
>> >> >
>> >> >But Linux is rapidly taking over the media's attention.
>> >> >And there is apparently some kind of massive effort on the Media's part
>> >> >to have Linux moved in everywhere this YEAR.
>> >> >
>> >> >My question is WHY this year after all these years?
>> >> >Has Kernel 2.2.15 with Gnome 1.2 or Kde 1.0 finally convinced them
>> >> >it's ready for everybody's desktop.
>> >> >
>> >> >Are the media experts finally in alignment with what I've been
>> >> >saying for 3 years now?
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm not against the push. I just wonder why so much right now after
>> >> >all this time.
>> >> >
>> >> >I remember Microsoft's birth in the 80's and I don't remember hardly
>> >> >the press pushing then as it's pushing now. The emphasis back then
>> >> >was towards touting Apple's and Mac's capabilties. Microsoft was
>> >> >mentioned as a back door player at best then.
>> >> >
>> >> >Something large is happening THIS year I hadn't expected.
>> >> >There is some critical mass mandate from the people I hadn't
>> >> >forseen going on right now.
>> >> >
>> >> >Linux is rapidly breaking out and gaining new ground.
>> >> >And the media blitz is extraordinary. I've never seen this
>> >> >much endorsement for any one OS.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm pleased and I wonder why all now...
>> >> >
>> >> >Charlie
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