Linux-Advocacy Digest #217, Volume #35 Thu, 14 Jun 01 02:13:04 EDT
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Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:00 GMT
Said The Ghost In The Machine in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:58:43 -0700
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>
>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote
>>> on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:15:49 +0100
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:39:00 +0800, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>>> > ("Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> >
>>> >>> Why? It's just where you born. It's not like you achieved anything. Your
>>> >>> parents fucked, and out you popped. It could have been anywhere. So just
>>> >>> keep that image in mind, next time you feel patriotic, just visualise your
>>> >>> father hunched over your mother. Which is all it comes down to, really.
>>> >>
>>> >>Well, I'm proud to be American.
>>> >
>>> >What is their to be proud of.
>>>
>>> Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
>>>
>>> [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
>>> an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
>>> [2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less simultaneously.
>>> [3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
>>> [4] First man on the moon.
>>>
>>> These are the ones that come immediately to mind. There were of course
>>> some lowlights as well:
>>>
>>> [A] Segregation/slavery of blacks. This continued until well into
>>> the 70's, even though slavery was officially abolished more than
>>> a century earlier. It's not clear that it's ended even now.
>>> [B] Isolated incidents such as MOVE, Waco, and the Texas Fremen.
>>> These indicate (perceived?) injustice, although it's not clear
>>> how much or by whom.
>>> [C] Native American massacre during the formative years (this is
>>> the flip side of [1], above). We may never know the true extent
>>> of the horror.
>>> [D] The biggest user (dare I say waster?) of energy in the world.
>>> 6% of the population consumes half of the energy. We're getting
>>> better, and our technology may well pull our collective rears
>>> out of the fire, but it's not something to be proud of.
>>> We also backed out of the Kyoto accord. While there may have been
>>> good reasons to do so (it's not clear to me personally), it's
>>> not going to help our reputation any.
>>>
>>> Again, there may be some obvious ones I'm missing.
>>
>>Let us not forget Nikolai Tesla. Without his advanced thinking we
>>wouldn't have TV, Radio, solenoids, AC power, etc. He got out of Europe
>>from the "Impossible, can't be done" crowd. He came to America where he
>>could freely invent and test. And I have to agree with Tesla about
>>Edison too.... a screwdriver mechanic.
>
>Ah, yes. Unfortunately for Tesla, he became rather crazy in his
>later years; but I'd forgotten about him.
>
>I'd say that one's rather obvious. :-) As for Edison -- I can't say.
>I'm not familiar with their interactions. I was always under the
>impression that Edison tried a large number of materials before
>settling on carbon fiber for his inaugural light bulb. :-)
>(Tungsten came somewhat later.)
I was always under the impression that any telling which had Edison
personally responsible for the light-bulb was probably no more valid
than an urban legend.
>(Side note: Believe it or not, there's at least one bulb out there
>that has been burning for 100 years.)
Side note: if you've ever seen episode 13 of the HBO mini-series "From
the Earth to the Moon", you would know why I think that Edison might
well have simply been his generation's Bill Gates, managing to take
credit, and make money, on everybody else's ideas, due to innate
dishonesty and wily, if not illegal, business practices.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:02 GMT
Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:31:23
>Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>> > > message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > >
>> > > > [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
>> > > > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
>> > >
>> > > Not impressive, people had done more with less beforehand.
>> > >
>> > > > [4] First man on the moon.
>> > >
>> > > And nothing significant ever since.
>> > >
>> > > The whole race to the moon was the biggest, stupidest, most wasteful PR
>> > > campain that has ever taken place in human history.
>> > > A lot of good things came out of it, but to do it for freaking *PR*?
>> >
>> > Well, it was more to it than that. USSR had put up the first satellite
>> > that frightened the military and things escalated from there. It was
>> > political.
>>
>> Let's us seperate this here, okay?
>> There was the military race, which was never stopped, and had pretty good
>> reasons.
>> Then there was the civilian one, NASA and its russian equilent, which was a
>> public relation stunt and nothing more.
>
>Well... to an extent yes as far as a public relations stunt. Eisenhower
>warned of the industrial-military establishment. Once the sputnik went
>up the military used PR to goad Eisenhower into starting up a large
>space program that corporations could make large profits from.
You say that as if we knew at the time that it was impractical to use
space as a military attack platform.
>Hard to
>stop once it starts moving and also once people by the millions are
>hired and well paid and one political party starts making promises to
>keep that pay check rolling almost impossible to stop.
The metaphoric ideal which Kennedy so deftly expressed transcended the
military meaning of putting a man on the moon.
>The military was
>able to create more billets for generals and admirals. That is why I
>say its all political.
Well, NASA isn't military, regardless of how many military posts it may
support. That is why your point is moot. We put a man on the moon.
The politics which lead to it are ultimately trivial. Millions and
millions of years from now, when human civilization has turned to dust,
we will still have visited the moon.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:03 GMT
Said drsquare in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:04:48
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:33:59 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>
>>> >[4] First man on the moon.
>>>
>>> Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
>>> large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
>>> to death across the world...
>>
>>Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
>
>Typical American attitude. Let the children starve to death whilst we
>send pieces of metal into space for fun.
Wheee. Let the eat Tang.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:04 GMT
Said The Ghost In The Machine in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:33:59 -0700
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>drsquare wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>>> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
>>>
>>> >>>Well, I'm proud to be American.
>>> >>
>>> >>What is their to be proud of.
>>> >
>>> >Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
>>> >
>>> >[1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
>>> > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
>>>
>>> What? Are you referring to how you went round driving people out of
>>> their homes, and skinning them alive etc?
>>>
>>> >[2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less
>>> >simultaneously.
>>>
>>> Yeah, you sent a couple of men over to Europe after the Nazis were on
>>> their last legs, and then wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent
>>> women and children in Japan. Now THERE'S something to be proud of.
>>>
>>> >[3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
>>>
>>> Which about 10% of your population benefit from.
>>>
>>> >[4] First man on the moon.
>>>
>>> Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
>>> large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
>>> to death across the world...
>>
>>Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
>
>Because we have the surplus food and the Netherlands does not.
>Simple enough, I would think. :-)
>
>Of course, I would hope that we start setting up things with
>the Russians to increase their grain production (for a cut of
>the profits, of course). That would help in feeding them,
>increasing their vodka production,
Mmmm.... reason enough.
>and indirectly feeding
>the entire world.
Fuck them. Let them drink Vodka.
>Ditto for the Chinese, although I don't think they have as much
>of a problem.
I don't trust the Chinese. I don't know if they drink anything at all.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001
>"Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> drsquare wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>> >
>> > >[4] First man on the moon.
>> >
>> > Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
>> > large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
>> > to death across the world...
>>
>> scooter, that starving is going on in your Euro backyard, along with
>> some genocide but you don't seem too bothered by it. You also never
>seemed
>> too bothered that your eastern euro brothers have lived for decades under
>> brutal regimes while you lavished in a western europe lifestyle.
>>
>> Brutality and genocide in your own neighborhood and you never once tried
>> to do a damn thing about it.
>>
>The problem is most of the starvation around the world is in a WARZONE. I
>guess they want the USA to grow the food, ship the food, distribute the
>food, protect the starving people when they come for the food. While they
>sit back in their lavish western European lifestyle.
Well, can you blame them? The United States is far more efficient,
using a majority of the energy with a minority of the population. It
kind of makes sense that we would be their scapegoat, doesn't it? "Go
feed everyone else, or else you don't deserve to be so efficient."
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Said Thaddius Maximus in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001
>Edward Rosten wrote:
[...]
>I paid for my college education but even for those who have had their
>parents pay for their college education the point being that in either
>case a college education was accomplished independent of the government.
As if universities never got a government grant, and there were no such
thing as state colleges...
>> > Unlike your country, we Americans do not feel the need to have our
>> > government take the majority of our income and then dole it back out to
>> > us as seen fit.
>
>> maximum of 40% is not a majority.
>
>Ahhh... that's 40% of your paycheck only. Now factor in sales tax and
>specifically the outrageous petro tax and it becomes a majority of your
>paycheck going to the government.
No, it's closer to 26% from the paycheck, and another 12% from all other
taxes. Not even 40%.
[...]
>The NHS provides the same level of medical service that a welfare recepient
>in the US recieves.
I should hope that weren't true, either way.
[...]
>> Without mother Russia, the Nazia would have gobbled up the "land of the
>> free" long ago.
>
>I must have missed that novel piece of history.
You missed the Korean and Vietnam Wars, the Cuban missile crisis, and
Afghanistan. What are you, 12?
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:07 GMT
Said drsquare in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:01:12
>On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:20:51 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>
>>> >Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
>>>
>>> Typical American attitude. Let the children starve to death whilst we
>>> send pieces of metal into space for fun.
>>
>>Starve to death? Most of the children in America are obese and getting
>>fatter.
>
>Oh right, you're not American so you can starve to death. If this is
>an example of 'patriotism' then I was right in speaking against it.
Why would Americans who don't starve to death be responsible for
non-Americans starving to death?
>>If you cannot understand why space exploration is important than you
>>have a teeny tiny little brain.
>
>Yeah, it's important to waste all that money so we can see some pretty
>pictures of some stars!
You betcha. It is, indeed, important to spend all that money so we can
see some informative pictures of some star.
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:08 GMT
Said chrisv in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:05:19 GMT;
>drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Deary me. If all you can come up with is childish insults, then
>>*plonk*.
>
>LOL! From the ignorant little child, who sits in his bedroom and says
>"MY country is GOOD. YOUR country is BAD!" What an infant!
Actually, he said "your country is BAD." I don't recall him identifying
the country it is from, let alone saying it is good.
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T. Max Devlin
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Said Edward Rosten in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:24:41
>>>Ask any ANZAC who were the biggest whiners and complainers in the
second
>>>world war. The US didnot save the world actually, so pull your head in
>>>and re-read history without all the pro-US propaganda.
>>
>> We sure were a huge factor, possibly the deciding factor.
>>
>> Somewhere between the rantings of the zeolots lies the truth.
>
>Being the deciding factor didn't mean that the US won it, since without
>any of the other factors, the war would have been lost. It is fair to say
>that the victory was an interntaional effort.
Blah, blah, blah. Somewhere between the rantings of the zealots lies
the truth.
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:27:43
>It's too bad too. Tesla in my mind was a true genius.
Tesla was a true flake.
>DuPont turned down Teslas recommendations to make free energy.
Perhaps because there was no such thing, and Tesla was a flake?
>No profits could be had so he turned down the idea and even pulled back
>some funding for teslas other research.
Sounds like an urban legend to me.
>Edison was a businessman... and a marketer. Edison went so far as to
>use AC power to electrocute a horse in public to show how dangerous AC
>was over DC.
Edison was the Gates of his day. Did you know his company pirated
intellectual property?
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:11 GMT
Said GreyCloud in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:48:31
>Nick Condon wrote:
>>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> >David Brown wrote:
>> >> Where would you be without your TV and your Cola, your antibiotics and
>> >> your steam engine? All are Scottish inventions, but I could hardly
>> >> claim that Scotland is a "better" country than the US because of it.
>> >> Nor could I claim it as a personal achievement, as you seem to.
>> >
>> >Keep dreaming.... without Tesla none of these electronic marvels would
>> >have happened.
>>
>> Electric steam engines? Nice one!
>
>How about the air brake? Westinghouse paid off Tesla.
>There were a lot of good scientists living in Europe that left and came
>to America to get away from the naysayers that said it couldn't be
>done. Too many Austrians in academia told Tesla that AC current was
>impossible. Tesla didn't believe them.
>And he proved them very wrong.
>
>Today in this country I know of one scientist that finally made it...
>Dan Bloxsom.
>He used to work for LockHeed Aircraft with other scientists looking for
>a better windtunnel to test super-sonic airframes with. The senior
>staff wouldn't listen to him so he started his own business and
>developed a better way to test air-frames up to mach 50. He latter
>patented his device.
At this point, your story loses its credibility, I'm afraid. You cannot
patent a device more than one year after you start selling anything
based on it, in the United States.
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:12 GMT
Said Thaddius Maximus in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001
>Rotten168 wrote:
>>
>> drsquare wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:09:52 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> > (chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> >
>> > >drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>Typical American attitude. Let the children starve to death whilst we
>> > >>send pieces of metal into space for fun.
>> > >
>> > >Typical Dutch attitude. Blame someone else for all the world's
>> > >problems.
>> >
>> > How is starvation a Dutch problem?
>> >
>> > >Sounds like a severe case of jealously, to me. (Gee, I wonder if
>> > >he'll deny it.)
>> >
>> > Yes, I'm jealous that I don't hoard up food and resources whilst
>> > children starve to death.
>>
>> Yeah right, European governments are bending over backwards to give help
>> to impoverished nations, right.
>>
>> The US gives a huge amount of money in foreign aid each year, I don't
>> really have statistics on how much in comparison to other countries.
>>
>
>In 1998, U.S. foreign aid amounted to $14.1 billion
>
>Largest foreign aid contributions in 1997:
>
>Japan
>France
>Germany
>USA
In absolute dollars? No way. Maybe in percentage of GNP. The USA's
GNP is so large that it works against us.
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T. Max Devlin
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accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:41:13 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:23:12
[...]
>The problem is, kids are drinking and driving. The problem is getting
>worse, not better, with the laws that are in place.
Die as a teenager, die as a fetus. What IS the difference?
>Compare this to the fine men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces
>who are highly trained individuals and understand the responsiblity
>of carrying a firearm.
Die in peace, die in war, you're still dead.
>The kids out there are drinking way to much as minors and getting
>into cars and driving and killing other innocent people, killing
>and destroying families.
Not like us. We knew how to be insane and not die. Proof: we're not
dead. So we must be smarter than everyone else.
>There is a huge problem with drinking and driving and nearly all of
>it is because of minors.
Check your facts.
>There is a problem, don't downplay it. People had their freedom,
>and they blew the responsibility and continue to blow it.
That would be you, proving you are incapable of learning. About
Microsoft, about SSH, about freedom of choice, about everything.
>If you
>abuse your freedom and use it to kill other people, you shouldn't
>have that freedom any longer. < 21 year olds have proven themselves
>unworthy of the privilege of drinking at 18 yo. I realize that's
>not a very conservative viewpoint, but from a society perspective,
>freedom is one thing, but if your freedom involves others dying,
>then that's not freedom at all. Just like yelling "Fire!" in
>a crowded movie theatre. Your freedom adversely affects the freedom
>of others.
Well, at least you're *trying* to be honest.
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T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 05:34:47 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> > >
> > > Nutshell: Personal Responsibility.
> >
> > And it's quite obvious that gays don't have it.
> >
> > That's why a mere 1% of the population constitutes more than 50% of the AIDS cases.
> >
> 1%? What fucking planet are you living on you?
the most reliable estimates indicate that between 2 and 5 percent of men
in the united states are homosexuals. see the guttmacher institute study
from a few years back if you don't believe me.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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