Linux-Advocacy Digest #217, Volume #30 Mon, 13 Nov 00 19:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (.)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (.)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (! !)
Re: Linux get new term? (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true (.)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8) (Pete Goodwin)
Uptime -- where is NT? (Bob Lyday)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? (sfcybear)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Kjetil Torgrim Homme)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? (The Great Suprendo)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Craig Kelley)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Craig Kelley)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (mlw)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:35:38 -0500
"James E. Freedle II" wrote:
>
> ----------
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote...
>
> > "Charles M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >Telnet,
> > Windows 2000 Terminal Services, FTP, Remote Console (done locally)
> > > >and several others.
> > > >
> > > >They can all be done locally on the same machine without a network
> > > >connection using only local loopback.
> > > >
> > > I did try telnet (to the local machine) from win2000, but it doesn't
> > > give a logon prompt (that suprised me, but I've never tried a local
> > > telnet on win2000 before). I checked the telnet services properties
> > > and notice that logon properties defaults to 'Local System' account.
> > > There is a choice for setting a single account username/password, but
> > > that didn't seem to work for me (wouldn't connect at all). How would
> > > you use telnet to perform a su type command? (runas seems to be
> > > limited to a single command, not a complete login shell, so that
> > > doesn't seem to be what I'm after here).
> >
> > Try to run cmd.exe with runas. Then the whole shell runs as that user.
> >
> >
> >
> For what reasons would you need to switch to another user?
to fuckup their files.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:36:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well my Mandrake 7.2 CD hasn't arrived yet, but taking a look at the
> Mandrake group is anything but encouraginging. Users are complaining
> about the same old library dependency problems, modems not working, CD
> images corrupt, fonts, Netscape and so forth. Here's a real beauty.
> Can't you Linux nuts get a wheel mouse working properly under your
> half aborted "operating system". Just look at the hell that this poor
> soul is going through to get a wheel mouse to work. Oh yea, I left all
> the headers in so you net cops don't claim I am making it all up, like
> you seem to like to do when things aren't going your way.
If you cant get a wheel mouse working, youre retarded. Seriously.
Claire, why are you so incredibly stupid? Why dont you use your brain?
Why are you such a lazy, horrible person?
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:37:06 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This guy can't even make his mouse work and you expect him to know how
> to do all of that?
If he cant get his mouse to work, he has no brain in his head at all.
He should stick with windows, because its written for people who like
to think as little as possible.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (! !)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:39:01 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy ! ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Chad doesnt know this, because chad is faking his experience again. He actually
> : had no DB experience to speak of, no linux or unix experience to speak of, and
> : only understands windows in the most rudimentary fashion.
> Get this: In another part of this thread he tried claiming that having the
> database use a file (as opposed to a raw partition) is the most typical
> way to do it, and most everyone does it like that. Chad must have a
> wacky definition of "most everyone".
Exactly. Its amazing that anyone takes him seriously at all, its almost
as if the sum total of his computer knowledge has been siphoned from the
last few years of PC Review.
=====.
k
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.politics.election
Subject: Re: Linux get new term?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:35:48 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:>
:> Wrong. You're looking at the history of *detected* voter fraud.
:> A successful voter fraud would be one that doesn't get detected,
:> so we can't tell how many successes there have been, and who
:> committed them. All I am saying is that BOTH parties have the
:> immoral makeup such that I wouldn't be surprised if they did it.
:>
:> The Democrats have Chicago, the Republicans have Watergate. They
:> both have a history of underhanded behaviour.
:>
:> [snip assinine sig]
: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/20001113_xex_how_democrat.shtml
[snip]
Sigh, I *SAID* that I knew about the recorded Democrat vote
counting fraud - so why waste your time posting it as if it was
some kind of counterpoint to what I said? And furthermore,
there's no need to give *both* the URL, and the verbatim contents
of the page. That's almost as annoyingly wasteful as your sig.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:40:03 GMT
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> . wrote:
>> The difference between you and pete is that its not HIS fault that
>> hes an idiot, claire.
>>
>> You are an idiot because you are dishonest and lazy.
> Ah yes, words of wisdom from a known moron on this group.
I was complimenting you, pete. You're a congenital idiot; claire
is a detestable, lazy, stupid, ignorant, obtuse fake.
=====.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:47:43 +0000
Steve Mading wrote:
> In Linux this is entirely under the control of userland setup
> programs, *not* the core OS. As such, the behaviour is different
> depending on which setup tool you use. Some setup tools do
> exactly what you describe, and have for some time. Some do not.
I'm using Kppp which is part of KDE 2.0?
I can see it is adding my two ISP DNS entries to /etc/resolv.conf, however
it doesn't seem to remove them on exit.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:48:14 -0800
From: Bob Lyday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Uptime -- where is NT?
http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html
Note that in this survey of the longest uptimes, every single one of
them is running some form of Unix. Not even one single one is running
any Microsoft OS, even Windows 2000, which ZDNet just stated is the
best webserver of all in a recent issue.
--
Bob
"Nigeria is a continent." "Trade with Mexico is not foreign trade."
"Is our children learning?" People from Greece are called Grecians."
"Social Security is not a federal program." George Bush, Einsteinian
genius, ex-con, ex-cokehead, ex-adulterer, ex-drunk and popularly
defeated Presidential candidate, demonstrating his stunning
intellectual breadth and encyclopedic knowledge.
Remove "diespammersdie" to reply.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:43:40 GMT
In article <3a1068fa$0$27247@reader3>,
Bas van der Meer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:52:26 +0100, Bas van der Meer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Be aware that the full version that is available right now might
NOT
> > >contain the final KDE2, but still a beta because Mandrakesoft had
to ship
> > >some Mandrake 7.2 before November 1 in order to get them in some
shops
> > >before Xmas. The download version and later versions do contain
final
> > >KDE2. So you might want to check that out before you buy.
> >
> >
> > I'd rather get coal for Christmas than Linux.
> >
> > claire
>
> To each what they deserve ;)
well, coal would be a step up from W2K!
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: 13 Nov 2000 23:54:14 +0100
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
> is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
> anti-c++.
* No standards for name mangling, leading to backwards compatibility
horrors.
* Very hard to make bindings to languages other than C++.
* You can easily make a C++ binding for a C framework, so why not do
it the other way around?
The Unix ABI is based on C. Live with it.
Kjetil T.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:58:13 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well my Mandrake 7.2 CD hasn't arrived yet, but taking a look at the
> Mandrake group is anything but encouraginging. Users are complaining
> about the same old library dependency problems, modems not working, CD
> images corrupt, fonts, Netscape and so forth. Here's a real beauty.
> Can't you Linux nuts get a wheel mouse working properly under your
> half aborted "operating system". Just look at the hell that this poor
> soul is going through to get a wheel mouse to work. Oh yea, I left all
> the headers in so you net cops don't claim I am making it all up, like
> you seem to like to do when things aren't going your way.
My mouse wheel works. It didn't previously (7.1).
My Voodoo 5 card works now, but wasn't supported in 7.1. I found XFree86
4.0.1 and installed it. Had to figure out the configuration script but it
worked just fine.
Mousewheel don't work in Netscape, but then I don't use Netscape on Linux.
I use konqueror instead.
I've yet to see a library dependancy problem, any more than I've seen the
DLL hell on Windows.
My modem works just fine. A previous modem that Windows didn't recognise is
just as difficult to make work under Windows, BTW.
I've never seen a corrupt CD image, though I've created a few CD coasters
myself.
Fonts, yeah, that's still there. But overall, LM 7.2 is looking good.
Oh yeah, how come your CD's are taking so long. I ordered mine one day,
they arrived in the post the next.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:00:51 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'd rather get coal for Christmas than Linux.
Then why did you order a copy of Linux Mandrake 7.2, as you said in another
topic?
I've bought several - they're cheap enough. I've got RedHat, Slakware,
Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
Would you like me to send you a lump of coal? Would that be the smokeless
kind or the old smelly stuff?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: The Great Suprendo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:54:33 +0000
A certain Pete Goodwin, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
>> Now, here's a question for you : what kind of usefulness would the
>> ability to serve X clients from a desktop machine have ?
>
>If you're just doing terminal style stuff, Telnet is good enough.
Windows 2000 Professional provides that (you don't need Server for it).
>If you're running a word processor that needs a GUI, then an X server on a
>client machine is very useful.
Specifically: the X client is useful if you want to run it on another
machine. I suspect you will find it extremely rare that one user will
want to run a wordprocessor from his own machine on another client
machine. If running applications on client machines is an important
requirement in an organization, a powerful server will be bought for
that purpose (and onto that server will be installed either W2K Server
or a suitable other OS configuration eg Linux).
>Can WTS let me run Word 2000 on a Windows 2000 Server but actually display
>on a Windows 98 SE client?
>
>That's the best example I can think of.
Yes, it can do that with Windows 2000 Server. The client can be Win98SE,
Windows 3.1 (!), MS-DOS, Linux, or any other OS supported by the Citrix
client.
On Win32 platforms, not it can also be configured so that the window is
displayed seamlessly on the 98SE client (ie you won't immediately be
aware that it's running off a server).
--
ROAR UP MY TWAT!!!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Nov 2000 15:55:37 -0700
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Nope. The problem definitely was local delivery. You put the staff of a
> medium sized university onto 4 or 5 mailling lists of 300-800 each. If a hot
> and heavy email discussion gets going it generates 20-50 messages a day
> going out to all those users.
>
> Guess what. The Unix admins tell people to stop discussing. They tell them
> to use other methods.
>
> Sendmail can't handle it.
Get new UNIX admins.
We not only have lists that big, but we also virus check every single
message for virii.
The Linux machine (dual PIII/550) has plenty of spare CPU cycles for
much more traffic than we have now.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:01:33 -0700
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have looked at both gtk and qt, I am amazed that gtk is not ridiculed
> more.
>
> The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
> is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
> anti-c++. I do not understand why. The whole gnome infrastructure seems
> to go through hoops to accomplish what C++ gives you for free, and
> despite arguments to the contrary, C++ can do all the neat and efficient
> things that C can do, the same way. So, using C++, as a C with classes,
> would have made the whole gnome project much more robust and readable.
>
> Why they had to implement their own object oriented class environment in
> C, when the same compiler could compile C++ code, just seems silly. I
> can think of no rational, reasonable argument for their decision. I
> would love to debate that with someone, but I have yet to hear any
> defensible reasoning.
I won't defend GTK, but the reason they used C is because when the
Gimp was started (around 1996, if I remember correctly), gcc was
horrible at C++ (if it could do it at all).
> I wouldn't put one minute's worth of code towards the GTK. QT/KDE is
> better.
I hope that the two projects merge in the future in a language less
sucky than either C or C++.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:29:39 -0500
Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:
>
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
> > is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
> > anti-c++.
>
> * No standards for name mangling, leading to backwards compatibility
> horrors.
Not realy an issue. If one uses C binding for exported functions.
> * Very hard to make bindings to languages other than C++.
Not true.
extern "C" function(....)
What is the problem? Why is that hard?
> * You can easily make a C++ binding for a C framework, so why not do
> it the other way around?
Because C++ provides you with a rich set of object handling features.
Look at the GTK, it is a horrible mess of "C" pretending to be C++. Why
not use C++ in the first place?
>
> The Unix ABI is based on C. Live with it.
And can be called just find from C++. C++ is a "super set" that means it
does more than C, not less. There isn't anything that can be done in C,
that can't be done just as easily in C++, but the converse is not true.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 14 Nov 2000 00:35:05 +0100
Christopher Smith wrote:
>"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>If a user is dumb enough to open an attachment, they're
>>>dumb enough to save it and run it.
>>>
>>Some people will probably do it. But I'm sure fewer will if it's more
>>involved than just a double click.
>Yes. In fact it goes from a double click to a double click plus an
>additional ~3 clicks. Now, I'm well aware of the dangers of overestimating
>the intelligence of the average end user, but I daresay if they can save
>their word documents and find them again, they can save an attachment and
>run it.
>
After clicking through that requester so and so many times on safe attachments
I fear that it's just about 'automagic'.
>OTOH, think about it, someone seduced by a topic line of ILOVEYOU (no
>spaces, all capitals) is going to let a measly 3 mouse clicks get in the way
>of their quest for love ? I doubt it.
>
I think most of them clicked on it out of curiosity rather than love. But
sure, for a really love-starved one..
[bigsnip]
>[chomp - we'll just have to agree to disagree]
>
I think so. It's been interesting discussing though, and I have changed my
view somewhat; Outlook isn't as bad as I thought, but it's still bad :)
/Stefan
--
[ Stefan Ohlsson ] � There will always be survivors - Robert A Heinlein � []
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:26:54 GMT
In article <8up5bj$293$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Whoosh!
> > >
> > > What was that?
> > >
> > > Just another analogy shooting over Matt's head...
> >
> > What part of a computer needs regular maitenance, exactly?
> >
>
> He was talking about taking a machine out of rotation and running
> hardware diagnostics on it (ie a "regular maintenance" style thing).
> Is it your contention that hardware doesn't fail?
>
We know, but he has never been able to tell us WHAT the tests are, How
many failure they prevent, How many they cause (by pulling memory,
bouncing around the case, etc) How long it would take to test a PC...
All of these things would determine if the testing is something called
cost effective!
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
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