Linux-Advocacy Digest #217, Volume #29 Tue, 19 Sep 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years (D. Spider)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Re: The internet was built on WIndow 95? (was Re: How low can they go...?)
(R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Spider)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux to reach NT 3.51 proportions in next 2 years
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:00:15 GMT
It appears that on Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:32:10 -0500, in
comp.os.linux.advocacy Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Rich C wrote:
>
>> Every window has a title bar with buttons to minimize, close, etc, right?
>> How about adding a button to pull up the task list? Then you wouldn't need a
>> task bar or access to the bare desktop to find your icons. You could also
>> include items to navigate between your virtual desktops as well. Your other
>> desktops and your running programs would always be a button click away, even
>> if you are running an app "full screen."
>
>I know windowmaker and kwm already do this, you just click both
>mouse buttons on the desktop and the window list comes up.
It's the middle mouse button actually, both buttons at once is the
kludge for two-button mice.
Windows 3.1 had "switch to" as an option on the "-" button on the top
left, in win95+ that button became the program icon instead of a "-"
and the "switch to" option disappeared.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:00:01 -0400
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>
> Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
> >> > > > Except of course that the issue is correlation between gun ownership
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > gun-related deaths.
> >> >
> >> > You don't have an answer for that, do you?
> >>
> >> There is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rates.
> >
> >That original quote again, folks:
> >
> >"Except of course that the issue is correlation between gun ownership and
> >gun-related deaths."
> >
> >Spot the difference?
> >
> >BTW - how many usenet posts would you say you make every week, Aaron?
> >
>
> Hehe, I can't resist this one.
>
> Aaron's Usenet Posts Breakdown:
>
> Total posts per week 4,000 (slight exageration, maybe)
> Posts that piss people off because of the insipid and
> idiotic ego-centric sig 3,999
> Posts with stupid off-topic rants 3,000
> Posts with stupid on-topic rants 999
> Posts where the rant obscures any useful information in
> the post 3,997
> Posts with discernable and useful information that can
> actually be found 3
> Posts where useful info is obscured by useless retoric
> threats 2
> Posts of useful on-topic nature 1
>
> OK, maybe I got a little carried away with some of the
> numbers, but you get the idea.
so?
>
> --
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Nathaniel Jay Lee
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:00:46 -0400
WickedDyno wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote in part:
> > >
> > > : The Earth is a system of balances. If one thing gets out of whack,
> > > : 10 other things compensate to restore the balance.
> > >
> > > This is true of market economies also.
> > >
> > > The problem is that it can take a really long time (from our
> > > perspective at least) for the damage to be corrected.
> > >
> > > : This has been happening over billions of years. Many more catastrophic
> > > : things have happened to the ecosystem that Humans could ever cook up
> > > : and the ecosystem restored itself in a geological second. The amount
> > > : of data we, as humans, have collected scientifically over the past
> > > : 1-200 years is nothing. It's not even a nano-second in geological
> > > : terms. To conclude or attempt to draw anything from these statistics
> > > : is meaningless and absurd to say the least.
> > >
> > > We've collected substantial evidence of the earth's geological
> > > history.
> > >
> > > The catastrophes of earlier geological ages did not destroy the earth,
> > > nor will our activities, but they *did* change the climate in ways
> > > that would have been horribly destructive to human civilization had it
> > > existed at the time. The fear is that our far smaller, but still
> > > potentially significant, activities might similarly cause destruction
> > > to human (and other) habitats in the relatively near future.
> > >
> > > I'm not convinced that it will. I'm convinced that it might, though,
> > > and that the chance that it might is sufficient reason for us to
> > > continue to study and to evaluate our activities to make sure that we
> > > aren't creating any potentially avoidable problems.
> > >
> > > : Dinosaur populations excreted more methane and CO/2 than humans
> > > : could ever hope to generate.
> > >
> > > Yep. But most of the sites of today's cities were under water then.
> > > Later, most of today's lakes and straits and mountains were under
> > > thousands of feet of ice. Neither of those outcomes would be
> > > particularly desirable today.
> > >
> > > : It's rather arrogant and self-important
> > > : to think that humans are so powerful that we could permanently change
> > > : or destroy the ecosystem and have it stay permanently dead.
> > >
> > > I don't think anyone is alleging that we could permanently destroy the
> > > Earth. Only that our activities, if continued unchecked, could alter
> > > climate substantially enough, and for long enough, to have a
> > > detrimental impact on human and other habitats.
> > >
> > > : We will
> > > : kill ourselves with war or accidentally releasing a deadly virus
> > > : into the world before we'll ever hope to destroy this planet.
> > >
> > > Very possible. We've come damn close, more than once. Closer than
> > > most people are willing to believe.
> > >
> > > : Granted, we shouldn't try, I agree we need to control ourselves
> > >
> > > That's all I'm saying. It's all that responsible environmentalists
> > > are saying too. (There are a lot of very *irresponsible* folks
> > > pretending to be environmentalists that are saying a lot more.
> > > Mostly, those are folks with political agendas, usually of a leftist
> > > variety, who *use* well-meaning but naive environmental activists to
> > > promote that agenda.)
> > >
> > > , but
> > > : this world has been through huge floods, all sorts of geological
> > > : disasters (giant earthquakes, massive volcanoes spewing millions of
> > > : tons of CO/2, methane, and all other sorts of noxious gasses into
> > > : the atmosphere) and look where we are today, paradise.
> > >
> > > We have an environment that is in many respects better than it ever
> > > has been (more free from infectious disease, for example).
> > >
> > > The challenge is keeping it that way.
> > >
> > > And in spite of the progress we've made, there still are serious
> > > problems such as air pollution in large cities, both air and water
> > > pollution behind the former Iron Curtain, rapid deforestation in
> > > certain areas (mostly South America and Latin America), and, to be
> > > blunt, unsustainable development in certain parts of the world where
> > > there simply is not enough guaranteed fresh water to sustain life.
> > > (The wealthy oil states of the Middle East, and the urban areas of the
> > > southwestern U.S., are prime examples of this).
> > >
> > > Preventable diseases still kill tens of millions in the poorest
> > > countries. Wars and famines caused mostly by statist political
> > > ideologies claim many more.
> > >
> > > We're doing better than we did in the past in many ways, but there is
> > > still much work left to be done.
> > >
> > > As a libertarian I hope it can be done the way it should be, namely,
> > > by voluntary cooperation and consent.
> > >
> > > But it does need to be done.
> > >
> > > I don't know if global warming is something we can control, or should
> > > attempt to. But I certainly would like to know. And I certainly
> > > suggest caution in the meantime.
> > >
> > > : We're do for
> > > : another ice age here in about 25-50,000 years or so, we're probably
> > > : just seeing the cycle repeat itself and seeing the ecosystem building
> > > : up and building up for the next ice age when it'll all start over
> > > : again and the same thing will happen 100,000 years after that like
> > > : it's done for the past several million years.
> > >
> > > Probably.
> > >
> > > But in the meantime I'd like those who will come after me to be able
> > > to enjoy the same, or better, environmental AND economic conditions
> > > that we have today.
> > >
> > > To ensure this, we must avoid both extremes. We must not destroy
> > > people's livelihoods in a vain attempt to meet arbitrary or
> > > unrealistic goals that might not be necessary or even worthwhile. At
> > > the same time, we must not ignore the mounting evidence that warming
> > > *is* occurring, that human activities *may* be contributing to it, and
> > > that the costs for dealing with it *will* be staggering.
> > >
> > > : Humanity is not even a blink of an eye in the Earth's history and
> > > : it's not about to be destroyed by us.
> > >
> > > Unlike some of my more left-leaning peers, I'm not concerned about the
> > > destruction of Earth, so much as I am about the destruction of human
> > > (and other) life on it.
> > >
> > > Joe
> >
> > Paging Chicken Little
> > Paging Chicken Little
> >
> > The Sky is Falling!
>
> If someone tells me the sky is falling, I at least look up.
That is why......... you fail.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:02:15 -0400
WickedDyno wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > WickedDyno wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > WickedDyno wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jason Bowen wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >Jason Bowen wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Bob Germer wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > On 09/18/2000 at 05:54 AM,
> > > > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen) said:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > See your showing your bias. Have I mentioned the ozone
> > > > > > > >> > > hole
> > > > > > > >> > > once? You
> > > > > > > >> > > mentioned Copernicus being persecuted and yet you'd do
> > > > > > > >> > > the
> > > > > > > >> > > same
> > > > > > > >> > > for
> > > > > > > >> > > people looking for answers as to what is happening with
> > > > > > > >> > > out
> > > > > > > >> > > world
> > > > > > > >> > > today.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Ah, but Copernicus PROVED his theory by verifiable,
> > > > > > > >> > repeatable
> > > > > > > >> > measurements which eliminated all other possibilities.
> > > > > > > >> > Einstein's
> > > > > > > >> > theories
> > > > > > > >> > have been proven by repeatable experiments which preclude
> > > > > > > >> > any
> > > > > > > >> > alternate
> > > > > > > >> > possibilities.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > But until the econuts PROVE their theories about CFC's,
> > > > > > > >> > they
> > > > > > > >> > are
> > > > > > > >> > junk
> > > > > > > >> > scientists and not to be trusted. And until the theories
> > > > > > > >> > are
> > > > > > > >> > PROVEN, I
> > > > > > > >> > refuse to sanction actions based thereupon.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Oh man this is rich. So unitl it is verifiable you will
> > > > > > > >> call it
> > > > > > > >> a
> > > > > > > >> lie and not support looking
> > > > > > > >> into it? You would've been right their lynching Copernicus.
> > > > > > > >> What
> > > > > > > >> an asshole.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >What is the concentration of CFC's in the upper atmosphere, oh
> > > > > > > >ignorant
> > > > > > > >freshman.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Last reading I saw was 3.6ppb billion, already referenced it.
> > > > > > > Plantlife
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In other words...negligible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because you say so?
> > > >
> > > > 3.6 ppb = 0.00036 %
> > > >
> > > > Please explain how a 0.00036% concentration of CFC's is going to
> > > > wipe out a >1% concentration of O3
> > >
> > > It's a catalyst. Catalysts can be present in very small quantities and
> > > still have an appreciable effect on the rate of a reaction.
> > >
> > > Argument from personal incredulity just plain doesn't work.
> >
> > Aactually, we know that 03 levels drop significantly in the absence
> > of sunlight.
>
> Irrelevant.
It's ENTIRELY relevant to a discussion about what happens to 03
layer over the poles during the (non-sunlit) wintertime.
>
> > We ALSO know that CFC are extremely heavy molecules that really
> > don't make it into the upper atmosphere.
>
> Wasn't the 3.6ppb the concentration IN the upper atmosphere? So we know
> they ARE there.
I don't believe those figures.
3.6ppb at ground level...MAYBE...in the upper atmosphere? not a chance.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:15:40 -0000
On 19 Sep 2000 23:54:22 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: On 18 Sep 2000 23:55:47 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>:>finding out that I have to use a scsi emulation driver. Find
>:>out that this means recompiling the kernel - do that, then
>:
>: Game over troll.
>:
>: You've just amply demonstrated that you don't know what the
>: HELL you are talking about and simply like to regurgiate the
>: bad FUD of others.
>
>Sorry, I forgot that you assume any time someone says something
>less than stellar about Linux that they are lying. I should
There are some rather persistent lies being spread about
Linux. One of them is this notion that you must recompile
the kernel for driver installs of various kinds.
It simply isn't the case.
>have remembered that. I forgot that you have ESP and know everything.
>Sorry about that. (Hint, I wasn't using redhat, so it doesn't
If anything, the accusation was of ignorance and sloppiness
not one of lying. Although I'm more than willing to not
bother mincing words.
>matter that you didn't have to recompile on redhat, that has no
>bearing on the kernel I got installed by default. *My* kernel
>had "no" for the "scsi emulation?" question, where the answer
>can be yes, module, or no, so yes I had to make a new kernel.)
This is all very vague. Was this a distro's default
kernel? Was this a kernel tarball you picked up? Is
this something moldy and crusty to the point of being
outdated and somewhat irrlevant. Was this a distro that
anyone actually uses?
>
>I am very glad you are not typical of most Linux advocates. I just
>hope you haven't scared off too many potential newbies with your
>typical tones. You aren't helping.
Sure, and "you must recompile kernel" CERTAINLY helps.
Just who do you think you're trying to kid?
--
That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows
returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball.
-- Bill Veeck
I have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it.
-- Edgar Allan Poe
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The internet was built on WIndow 95? (was Re: How low can they go...?)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:10:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:03:41 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >"Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >Uhh.. Linux did not implement Plug-n-Play until
> >> > the 2.0 kernel IIRC.
> >> > Even today, Linux still does not implement Plug-n-play
> >> > in the way it's intended
> >> >to be (plug in a USB or PCMCIA card and have it
> >> > prompt you for drivers,
> >> >rather than forcing a manual driver install and load).
Eric.
I know you go back to the days of Slackware, when you still
had to recompiled the kernel for the desired peripherals, but modern
Linux implementations have modular kernels which contain short stubs to
test for all kinds of things. If, when you install, you tell it to
install everything (the default for most installations) it will install
all of the modules for numerous PCMCIA devices.
In some cases, it will ask you which interrupt you'd like to use for
your ethernet card (since some devices can share interrupts), but other
than that, it's usually pretty much plug-and-play with EACH REBOOT!
I have removed a hard drive from one chassis and plugged it into
another, different configuration, and had Linux properly adapt itself
to the new environment.
> >> Odd, I swap out PCMCIA cards all the time on my linux laptop.
> >> In fact, when the machine was a dual-boot with
> >> win/98 (it was my wife's machine at the
> >> time) plugging in a new PCMCIA 10baseT card caused
> >> windows to bitch about
> >> needing a new driver, linux? it simply autoloaded
> >> the driver and continued on without a hiccup.
This is pretty much my experience as well. With some PCMCIA cards,
I haven't even had to reboot the box.
> > And what happened the first time you plugged
> > in the PCMCIA card? Nothing,
> >right? You had to manually install the driver for it, correct?
Actually, if you are installing a laptop, you only have to indicate
that you are enabling PCMCIA. The rest comes up automatically.
Again, unless you are extremely cramped for hard drive space, there is
very little problem with loading all the modules and letting the OS
configure itself "on the fly".
Linux drivers tend to be fairly generic. Essentially, the driver
software is focused on a chip, rather than a card. The card
identification is mapped to the appropriate chip, what is left is which
interrupts and I/O ports can be used with that chip. Most of this can be
configured with Linuxconf, and in some cases, switching cards simply
means a different ID, but the same interrupts and I/O can be used.
This is typical of the Mandrake, SuSE and Caldera distributions.
> Why? If the card was supported at the time he installed his
> version of Linux than the drivers were already there in the
> system and fully loaded into the system during the install
> process (unlike WinDOS does things).
>
> [deletia]
>
> Similarly, I had to install no driver for my Voodoo3. Bughat
> just detected the device changes on the next reboot, activated
> the already present driver and then prompted me to reconfigure
> my video options.
Again, pretty much standard. Install all of the video drivers (even the
ones you don't need today), and let boot or drakConf or yast or whatever
figure out what you have and link the right driver for the new card.
What's left is to set resolution (upgrades may improve color mapping
and/or resolution).
> This is one of the nice things about your OS vendor
> not having piracy on the brain.
>
> --
> Finding an alternative should not
> be like seeking out the holy grail.
>
> That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> |||
> / | \
>
>
--
Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 42 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:21:07 -0000
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:29:07 +0100, Sam Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > > Except of course that the issue is correlation between gun
>ownership
>> > > > > > and
>> > > > > > gun-related deaths.
>> > > >
>> > > > You don't have an answer for that, do you?
>> > >
>> > > There is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rates.
>> >
>> > That original quote again, folks:
>> >
>> > "Except of course that the issue is correlation between gun ownership
>and
>> > gun-related deaths."
>> >
>> > Spot the difference?
>>
>> Is death by gunshot somehow worse than death by stabbing or
>> death by bludgeoning?
>
>All murders are undesireable.
Why just murders? Why stop there and not include accidents
and suicides? I suspect that those two aren't nearly
glamorous enough.
Besides, "gun-related death" doesn't necessarily equate to murder.
>
>> The only thing that makes "death by gunshot" bad is that it results in
>> Death.
>>
>> Therefore, the CRITICAL analysis is not how many murders are committed
>> by
>> one method or another, but to see if limiting any option of murder makes
>> a dent in the overall murder rate.
>>
>> History shows that if you remove guns from large segments of society,
>> that bludgeonings, stabbings, poisonings, etc. rise correspondingly to
>> take up the slack....and often times, removing guns from law abiding
>> citizens SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES bludgeonings and stabbings.
>>
>> Therefore, removing guns from society does NOTHING to protect the
>> citizens.
>
>It seems to have dramatically curtailed the number of UK schoolyard
>shootings, which is what the new laws were designed to do in the first place
>(re: Dunblane tragedy).
In terms of numbers, such occurences are statistical noise. It's
not really that much to get excited about. It is quite likely that
more lives would have been saved by focusing on a more substantive
issue rather than one that's better for scandal and media ratings.
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