Linux-Advocacy Digest #340, Volume #27           Mon, 26 Jun 00 02:13:03 EDT

Contents:
  Re: LILO problems -- Any suggestions? ("J Chan")
  Re: slashdot ("Bobby D. Bryant")
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:    (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Where is Linux going?
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  Microsoft 
Ruling Too Harsh
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  Microsoft 
Ruling Too Harsh
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:   (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Do not like Windows but ... (Ray Chason)

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From: "J Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LILO problems -- Any suggestions?
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:14:18 GMT

On Suse, you can use the CDROM or the included floppy as a boot disk and
access your systems

Once back in to your system, YAST  lets you can even rebuilt your LILO and
even make a rescue disk afterward

Maybe there is something similar in red hat







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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: slashdot
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:35:45 -0500

Jeff Szarka wrote:

> Is slashdot down YET again? As of 10:52PM eastern it seems to be.
>
> If Microsoft.com or hotmail.com was down you guys would say it proves
> NT sucks... Well? Why can't slashdot seem to stay up more than  few
> days at a time?

It has been having problems all weekend.

Do you have some kind of inside information telling you that the problem
is with the OS?  Last time this happened it was a script kiddie's DDoS
attack.

Bobby Bryant
Austin, Tx

p.s.  -- I'm curious why anyone would use outages at hotmail.com as
evidence that NT sux.



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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: 
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:44:44 -0400



Salvador Peralta wrote:
> 
> "Mark S. Bilk" wrote:
> 
> > I doubt it.  Libertarians routinely come up with the most
> > ridiculous justifications for harmful activities by business-
> > men.
> 
> It also occurs to me that they seldom address the extent to which
> government investment has fostered economic growth in countries like the
> united states.  Our current economic boom is due, in no small measure,
> by protocols that were funded by the government and a communications
> infrastructure that have been paid for with a mixture of public and
> private funds.
> 

Government investment in infrastructure is one thing--it helps those
who are willing to get off their rear ends and actually use it.

Government subsidization of self-destructive behavior (welfare)
is something far different.

> Simply saying that increased taxes leads to decreased consumer spending
> is a rather shaky edifice on which to base an opinion about economic
> growth.  Say what you will about public education, but countries that
> have widespread public education have higher literacy rates than
> countries that do not.  Countries that invest public funds in
> infrastructure such as roads, telecommunications, water works, electric
> works, etc. tend to have a stronger base upon which to build a diverse
> and successful economy than those which do not.  Countries that provide
> for the weakest elements of a society, and which protect their citizens
> from the often dynamic and painful shifts associated with markets tend
> to have political and social stability which in turn creates a better
> environment for commerce and economic growth.
> 
> --
> Salvador Peralta
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.la-online.com

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: 
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:50:48 -0400



Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 25 Jun 2000 03:14:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> 
> >>What's the problem ? That it's hard for illegal immigrants to get a job
> >>because of laws making it difficult to hire them ?
> >The problem is, the "pro-worker" laws are one big pile of bullshit. It's
> >just instrument in monopolizing market.
> 
>         So you'd like laws mandating maximum wages so as to keep labor
> costs down and make possible low costs for the consumer?

Are you saying that you are unable to negotiate a reasonable wage?

or that you are too stupid to walk away from a job that doesn't
pay you fairly?

Are you working at minimum wage right now?

if not, why not?


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:   
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:58:34 -0400



Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> >>         Calling that Communism is absurd; there is a name for that
> >> already in existence: "crony capitalism", which is common in Third-World
> >> countries.
> >Regardless of what you call it, the Russian economy, and it's structure,
> >is still under the COMPLETE, ABSOLUTE control of the Communist Party.
> 
>         LOL. These Cold War fantasies of Communism as a unified,
> disciplined front are almost too silly to be taken seriously.
> 
>         Russia is clearly in *disarray*.

Wrong....the CIVILIAN POPULATION is in disarray.

The bigwigs in government, on the other hand, has managed to consolidate
even more power than before...what used to be "state property" is now
firmly in the hands of "The Oligarchs", who just happen to ALL be
party insiders.


Why have they produced over 5,000 T-90 tanks in the last 5 years?


Why, when they "downsized" their army, did they not get rid of *ANY*
majors or above?  Simple...because that way, they would keep the
organizational structure of EVERY battalion intact.

So, for two years, they had a 'paper army'.  Normal promotions
from lieutenant to captain filled all of the company commander
spots, and new draftees have filled in all of the lieutenant and
enlisted positions.


Back in the 1970's, one of their philosophical leaders  (can't remember
who) said, "We will feign weakness at the time of our greatest
strength).



> --
> Loren Petrich                           Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]                      And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is Linux going?
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:50:40 GMT

On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:55:16 GMT, TimL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sam
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:08:34 GMT, Goofy root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>
>> 
>> Other posters have made good points here, but Corel is the least likely
>> Linux to succeed.
>
>> Sam
>
>Hmm, I don't know. Corel seems bent on making linux as Window-ish as
>possible. With this strategy, if they gain enough momentum and enough things 
>happen to close the gap between Windows and Linux they could emerge a 
>big name in not just the Linux market but in the OS market as well.

        ...except they're more style than substance. While this might work
        when you're already on top, I think it would be less well tolerated
        from a company trying to come up from the bottom.

        Other companies do a much better job of replicating 
        "the windows experience". That's all there is to it.

-- 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:55:37 GMT

On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:44:44 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Salvador Peralta wrote:
>> 
>> "Mark S. Bilk" wrote:
>> 
>> > I doubt it.  Libertarians routinely come up with the most
>> > ridiculous justifications for harmful activities by business-
>> > men.
>> 
>> It also occurs to me that they seldom address the extent to which
>> government investment has fostered economic growth in countries like the
>> united states.  Our current economic boom is due, in no small measure,
>> by protocols that were funded by the government and a communications
>> infrastructure that have been paid for with a mixture of public and
>> private funds.
>> 
>
>Government investment in infrastructure is one thing--it helps those
>who are willing to get off their rear ends and actually use it.
>
>Government subsidization of self-destructive behavior (welfare)
>is something far different.

        ...beats paying their way through prison.

[deletia]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:57:24 GMT

On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:50:48 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Loren Petrich wrote:
>> 
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On 25 Jun 2000 03:14:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>> 
>> >>What's the problem ? That it's hard for illegal immigrants to get a job
>> >>because of laws making it difficult to hire them ?
>> >The problem is, the "pro-worker" laws are one big pile of bullshit. It's
>> >just instrument in monopolizing market.
>> 
>>         So you'd like laws mandating maximum wages so as to keep labor
>> costs down and make possible low costs for the consumer?
>
>Are you saying that you are unable to negotiate a reasonable wage?
>
>or that you are too stupid to walk away from a job that doesn't
>pay you fairly?

        Like any other market, this one has issues of supply and 
        demand especially when individual laborers make isolated
        and selfish decisions.

>
>Are you working at minimum wage right now?
>
>if not, why not?

        We are hardly typical in any respect relative to the
        bulk of whatever nation we happen to be a part of or 
        posting from.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:  
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:06:11 -0400



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:49:58 -0400, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Mark S. Bilk" wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> MK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [deletia]
> >> >Equality requires slavery.
> >>
> >> Right-wing Libertarian bullshit.  It's slavery to rob
> >> employees of a large portion of the value they produce, and
> >> thus pay them low salaries, while the wealthy owners and
> >> executives are paid 1,000 or 500,000 times as much, for
> >> the same number of hours work per day.  Yet the alleged
> >> "right" of business owners to do this is the central policy
> >> of Libertarianism.
> >>
> >> That's why Libertarianism is anti-human.
> >>
> >> Belief in Libertarianism requires turning a blind eye to
> >> the factual evidence of harm caused by grossly unequal
> >> distribution of wealth among people who all work hard.
> >>
> >> The *actual result* of this maldistribution of wealth is
> >> starvation, sickness, and death for many poor people under
> >> Capitalism.
> >>
> >> Mark K, I don't mean to attack you personally, especially
> >> seeing as you're posting from Poland.  But in Russia they
> >> are finding that unregulated Capitalism is worse for people
> >> economically than Communism.  Both of these systems are
> >> coercive and cruel.  Social Democracy is much better.
> >
> >I have been in Russia three times.
> >
> >What they have is NOT capitalism.  It is the newest form of
> 
>         ...it would be more accurately described as mob rule where
>         mob refers to mobsters or mafia. Russia was subject to
>         pervasive institutionalized graft and corruption before the
>         fall of the communist government and still has to work
>         through that. Russia in general has a lot of catching up to
>         do. It only ceased being a feudal nation the last century.
> 

Be very careful anytime a Russian describes another Russian of
being a "mafia" type....ESPECIALLY if the speaker is above the
age of 40 -- these people all grew up in a system where ANYBODY
who ran a business well enough to show a significant profit was
thrown in jail as a criminal!

Back in the early 1990's, there was a construction company which
charged (by local standards) outrageous prices for construction work,
BUT, they did it PRECISELY to specification, AND ON TIME.

Many Russians were running around asking, "What *right* does he have
to charge that much money?" (You see the blatant assumption that for
merely submiting high bids made him a criminal, regardless of the
quality nor timeliness of his firm's work.)



> >communis (perestroika means "restructuring"...and that is exactly
> >what they did...the RESTRUCTURED COMMUNISM), wherein they pass out
> >all of the economic goodies to a few party insiders (recall the
> 
>         ...nah, that has been going on since at least the beginning
>         of the postwar period.

Have you been there?

Have you talked with the people?


If Russia is truly in such economic disarray, then how come every time
I go there, I can look outside my hotel window, and see TWO DOZEN
construction cranes in operation?  And as I walk down ANY street,
I come upon a MAJOR renovation(*) of some building within 5 minutes?

(*) complete gutting of the building--all interior walls AND FLOOR
removed, leaving only the outside facade...so that the interior is
COMPLETELY rebuilt.

You all talk as if Russia is some 3rd world backwater like Cambodia
or Mozambique.  In fact, there is a hell of a lot of money and power
there...it's just all withheld from "the people" and VERY securely
kept within a handful of party powerbrokers.


> 
> [deletia]
> 
> --
> 
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-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: 
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:11:00 -0400



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On 22 Jun 2000 20:51:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:
> 
> >coercive and cruel.  Social Democracy is much better.
> 
> The trouble with Social Democracy is that it doesn't put enough value on
> individual freedom.  No matter what social and/or political system we adopt,
> individual freedom should be its highest priority.  That was the original
> goal of the Libertarian party, before they aligned themselves with big
> business.  Someone should start a new Libertarian party to focus on
> individual freedom.  Or infiltrate the present Libertarian party to take it
> away from the big-business faction and restore its original purpose.


Socialism is great... as long as EVERYONE is a robot who does exactly
as told, and has not an iota of self concern.

The problem is, EVERYBODY is greedy, and, in pursuing their self
interests, each individual person throws a handful of sand into
the gears.

No wonder the socialist countries all have such high unemployment rates.

Look here in the US.  When Reagan threw off a large part of the yoke
of socialism, our unemployment rate plummetted.  In Michigan, when
Governor Engler decimated the socialist system (abolishing all state
aid for ALL able-bodied adults, the unemployment rate dropped to less
than 1%.  The economy in Michigan is so good, that the fast food joints
are offering $8.50 and hour PLUS BENEFITS to ALL employees.  The only
people in Michigan crying for the return of the socialist programs are
the unemployed case workers who used to shuffle around in the offices,
collecting their checks for all of their stifling busywork.)


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:13:30 -0400



Henry Blaskowski wrote:
> 
> In talk.politics.libertarian Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > This created SEVERE economic hardship upon ANYONE trying to sell
> > competing products...becuase even if you bought DR-DOS rather than
> > MS-DOS, you still paid $100 to Microsoft, and even if you bought
> > Corel Office, you were STILL charged for Microsoft office.
> 
> Do you even understand how business works?  Microsoft said, if you
> want our product at a discount, you have to agree to sell a copy
> with every machine you sell.  You are free to buy it at full price,
> or you can get it at a discount with conditions.  My grocery store
> does a similar thing to me all the time, but you don't hear anyone
> running around crying "monopoly".
> 
> > Thus, buying two LOWER-PRICED software packages, the end user
> > was charged several hundred dollars MORE.
> > And you don't see the fucking problem?????
> > What kind of fucking moron are you???
> > Answer the question, you idiot!
> 
> Thank you for this tone, I always know when my debate opponent is
> losing it and knows it when they take this tone.  Very amusing.

Wrong!  It's my sign to all onlookers that you are a complete MORON
who is incapable of comprehending the fundamental issues.

That you laugh about it is yet another indictment against you.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:18:19 -0400



MK wrote:
> 
> On 23 Jun 2000 16:11:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti) wrote:
> 
> >>> This created SEVERE economic hardship upon ANYONE trying to
> >>> sell competing products...becuase even if you bought DR-DOS
> >>> rather than MS-DOS, you still paid $100 to Microsoft, and even
> >>> if you bought Corel Office, you were STILL charged for
> >>> Microsoft office.
> 
> >>Do you even understand how business works?  Microsoft said, if
> >>you want our product at a discount, you have to agree to sell a
> >>copy with every machine you sell.  You are free to buy it at
> >>full price, or you can get it at a discount with conditions.
> 
> >You have failed to see the implications of what you have just
> >written. If the computer system you are selling, which contains
> >exactly the same hardware and software as a competitor's product
> >which costs hundreds of dollars less, what do suppose will happen
> >to your business? Further, as a result of your choice, Micros~1
> >will with-hold the documentation you that you need to use to
> >create a properly configured system in time to beat your
> >competitors to the market with the latest Micros~1 offering.
> 
> >So, your product costs more, is not configured properly, and gets
> >to market later than your competitors product.
> 
> >Some choice.
> 
> There is a choice -- to do best you can and beat MS in other features,
> port the application to other platforms and not release the info
> on those features to MS.

Digital Research did EXACTLY THAT...offering their product for
significantly
less than Microsoft (about 3/5 the price of an MS-DOS license)

However, due to MS's structuring of the contracts, OEM's were forced
to charge $55 MORE for a DR-DOS machine, rather than $40 less had
MS not rigged the game AGAINST CONSUMER CHOICE!

Also, MS also put FALSE ERROR MESSAGES in Windows to make consumers
*believe* that DR-DOS was not functioning properly, when, in fact,
DR-DOS was fully 100% compatible with MS-DOS.


This is OBSTRUCTION OF TRADE and it is *ILLEGAL*, bozo!

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

------------------------------

From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: 26 Jun 2000 04:42:42 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook) wrote:

>Do people actually like outlook as a news reader?

Well, yes.  You can easily spot a Scandinavian user of Lookout, because
Micro$oft went and "internationalized" the Re: tag.  Finnish versions use
Vs:, and Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish versions use SV:.

Must have been the same bunch of blithering idiots who spent six months
coding that damn paperclip.


>Look, for a news reader I just want something that lets me read and post
>news easily and efficiently and with reasonable scoring abilities.  slrn
>excels here.

Or how about just a rassafraggin' *killfile*?  And no viruses either!


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