Linux-Advocacy Digest #340, Volume #26 Tue, 2 May 00 15:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Awfulness of WordPerfect (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Are we equal? (JEDIDIAH)
Is the PC era over? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Who to blame next... (Steve Mentzer)
Re: Is the PC era over? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux from a Windows perspective (Pete Goodwin)
Applix 5.0 it's getting better! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is the PC era over? (JTK)
RE: Microsoft Office Linux Edition! ("Alberto Trillo")
Re: Are we equal? (Thlayli)
Re: Are we equal? (abraxas)
Re: Is the PC era over? (abraxas)
Re: Webferret search engine on linux. (Bob Tennent)
Re: So what is wrong with X? (david parsons)
Re: Webferret search engine on linux. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (Perry Pip)
Re: Is the PC era over? ("Mehrban Jam")
Re: Government to break up Microsoft ("Ermine Todd")
Re: Is the PC era over? ("Andy Locke")
Re: Advocay off the Net. (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: A split? (Reinout van Schouwen)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Awfulness of WordPerfect
Date: 2 May 2000 11:42:51 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >>Ah, is this like the "till Lotus won't run" "factoid" as well ?
>
>[...]
>
>> > The phrase was: DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run.
>> >
>> > Considering how much of a bare metal hack any DOS app has to be,
>> > that's not really hard...
>>
>> But apparently the tradition continues, if you noticed why there
>> was a 2nd release of sp6 as sp6a for NT.
>
>What was the problem? Did they forget to break Samba or something?
The long-standing tradition: Lotus Notes broke.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:54:27 GMT
On 2 May 2000 11:37:01 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[deletia]
>>>>> zImage,bzImage,zlilo,bzdisk & zdisk are all somewhat cryptic.
>>>>
>>>>It's -all- cryptic.
>>>
>>>'make install' does all this stuff.
>>
>>All what stuff? That's not in the docs, it appears.
It 'install's.
That target is typically just what the name implies.
There's nothing cryptic about it. The name quite obviously
relates well to what's going on. Ditto for just plain 'make'
(it makes something) or 'make clean' (it cleans something up).
Rocket science this aint.
>
>Do you mean you don't have docs for 'make' or you don't understand
>why it is relevant? "Make install" does whatever the 'install'
>target in the Makefile says to do, including any other steps
>needed to update dependent files.
This is typically: do "make", meaning to build the program &
then to copy the results to the target final destination(s)
on your system. (much in the same way that installshield does
but without the eye candy)
It's no more a cryptic mnemonic than 'setup.exe' or 'install.exe'.
It's actually quite descriptive and usually quite accurate in that
description.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:57:30 GMT
On Tue, 02 May 2000 16:49:15 GMT, Edward L. Sandwicheater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>Craig Kelley wrote:
>
>> Oh? So you'd abandon him in your own country and then, when Castro
>> called you up to serve the state you'd hop on a plane with 25 guards
>> who will ensure that you don't jump ship? You'd put up with a leader
>> who places your mother in prison to ensure the safety of "poor
>> Elian".
>>
>
>You want to show us some evidence that any of Elains relatives have been
>detained? They haven't been, this was a rumor spread by US Propaganda
>Radio (Radio Marti) .
>
>> Castro is a rotten person. Any Cuban that makes it to the US should
>> be granted asylum. Even six-year-old kids.
>>
>
>Castro may be a rotten person, but he is certainly better then any other
>leader of Cuba in this century. And he is certainly no where near as bad
>as right wing extremists pretend he is. The majority of people in Cuba
>are there because they want to be. The majority of people in Cuba are
On a closed isolated island with limited or no freedom of movement,
that's rather difficult to establish really. There are certainly
a significant a visible chunk of the population that feels it
worthwhile to risk death and imprisonment to leave.
>better off then they were before the Revolution when they were 'owned'
>by US corporations and US backed dictators. Cuba has history of
>revolutions, if the people didn't want Castro , Castro would be gone. We
>have no right to dictate how a man raises his child as long as that
>child is not being abused (like he was in Miami by the Anti castro
>fanatics). The fact that you don't like his politics is in no way
>relevant to what is legally and morally correct. Legally and morally he
>should be with his father.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Is the PC era over?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:47:14 GMT
First Gates quits as CEO of Microsoft. (He knows when to quit!)
Then we learn Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft doesn't believe
Microsoft has any future either. He is nearly divested of Microsoft
stock:
http://theregister.co.uk/000426-000002.html
Then Microsoft loses title as company with highest marketcap to
an Internet company, Cisco.
And then Gates loses title as richest man to the CEO of another
Internet company, Oracle. (Not counting other assets, Gates' stake
in MSFT is worth less than Ellison's stake in ORCL.) Good thing
Gates quit before this humiliating event:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1773268.html
PC Week apparently isn't expecting a lot of advertising revenue
from Microsoft in the future. PC Week, which until recently was the
most ardent of Microsoft supporters, is recommending Microsoft be
split up:
http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/columns/0,4351,2395100,00.html
And finally apparently even PC Week believes the PC era is over. They
are changing their name from PC Week to eWeek:
http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2523913,00.html
Connect the above dots and the picture looks pretty clear. The PC
era is over. However Microsoft is artificially keeping it alive by
leveraging their monopoly to push down innovative technology. First
Microsoft kills Netscape by leveraging their Windows monopoly. Now
they are attempting to do the same to Palm:
http://theregister.co.uk/000502-000008.html
It is time to kill the ageing Microsoft monster and let fresh blood
revitalize the industry by bring exciting new techologies to the
marketplace.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Steve Mentzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who to blame next...
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:09:31 GMT
>Let's say that a year from now MS has been broken up, and Linux is still a
>standardless hodge-podge of sundry apps and distributions with
>marginal driver and application support. Without the evil empire (Microsoft)
>to blame for Linux's lack of appeal on the Desktop, who or what
>will be blamed next? I'll be curious to see how it all unfolds....
>
What I find absolutely hillarious is listening to people say how
"Microsoft is going to die".
Nothing can be further from the truth.
A MS breakup will only solidify the stranglehold WINDOWS has on the
market.
The way it looks now, the breakup will contain the following
provisions...
1 - Windows OS development and Office applications are broken apart.
Seperate companies.
2 - The Windows API is made fully public and MS no longer has full
control over the changes to it. This will essentially allow 3rd party
developers to know about things the same time MS does, making it
impossible for MS to beat people to the marketplace just because they
control the API.
#1 isn't that big in my opinion.
#2 is the kicker. MS is being forced to openly share API development
with the development community. It may not be opensource, but the
argument of "MS controls everything" will no longer be viable.
Once the API is opened, a major selling point of Linux becomes moot.
Windows will no longer be a single-vendor solution. MS will not have
the final say on new features and architecture.
For MS to open the Windows API will open a whole new generation for
windows development.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:01:59 GMT
Your claims seem to point to the MS era ending....
In article <8en0qb$cqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> First Gates quits as CEO of Microsoft. (He knows when to quit!)
>
> Then we learn Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft doesn't believe
> Microsoft has any future either. He is nearly divested of Microsoft
> stock:
>
> http://theregister.co.uk/000426-000002.html
>
> Then Microsoft loses title as company with highest marketcap to
> an Internet company, Cisco.
>
> And then Gates loses title as richest man to the CEO of another
> Internet company, Oracle. (Not counting other assets, Gates' stake
> in MSFT is worth less than Ellison's stake in ORCL.) Good thing
> Gates quit before this humiliating event:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1773268.html
>
> PC Week apparently isn't expecting a lot of advertising revenue
> from Microsoft in the future. PC Week, which until recently was the
> most ardent of Microsoft supporters, is recommending Microsoft be
> split up:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/columns/0,4351,2395100,00.html
>
> And finally apparently even PC Week believes the PC era is over. They
> are changing their name from PC Week to eWeek:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,2523913,00.html
>
> Connect the above dots and the picture looks pretty clear. The PC
> era is over. However Microsoft is artificially keeping it alive by
> leveraging their monopoly to push down innovative technology. First
> Microsoft kills Netscape by leveraging their Windows monopoly. Now
> they are attempting to do the same to Palm:
>
> http://theregister.co.uk/000502-000008.html
>
> It is time to kill the ageing Microsoft monster and let fresh blood
> revitalize the industry by bring exciting new techologies to the
> marketplace.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
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Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: Linux from a Windows perspective
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 2 May 2000 18:15:18 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
<8emtk5$1o9h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>What video card? The efficiency of the X drivers may be critical
>on slow-CPU machines. Also, it probably depends on what you
>are doing. I tend to run 5 or 6 xterms with telnet sessions
>and a couple of netscape windows. Several small programs
>like telnet running at the same time seems to work better
>under Linux.
Sorry, a Matrox Millenium 2Mbyte.
Starting up KDE takes a while on my machine. Once it's up and running, some
applications (notably X/KDE ones) take a while to get going.
StarOffice was disappointing - took a great deal of time to start, and had
a few problems displaying fonts neatly.
Terminals don't take long to startup - but then I try to avoid command line
on a GUI.
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Applix 5.0 it's getting better!
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:13:55 GMT
I've been using Applix for some time now. I tried Corel's WP Office and
was thinking of changing over. Then I tried Applix 5.0 and I'm back in
the Applix camp. Applix has cleaned up the look and the install. My KDE
menus were automatically updated. The "data" package can use "MySQL".
>From what I can tell, the integration has improved and imports have
improved. All and all, every thing *I* need in a Office suite is there,
for less than $100. I'm still waiting to see if Koffice will have all I
need, If it does, I'll switch, if not, no sweat now that Applix has
improved so much.
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Before you buy.
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From: JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:46:44 -0500
Honey, the PC era hasn't even gotten STARTED yet! As a wise man once
said about the current state of the industry, "We're rubbing sticks
together, and seeing fire."
[snip typical unimaginative MS bashing]
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From: "Alberto Trillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Microsoft Office Linux Edition!
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:44:51 GMT
I won't use it on my Linux box unless it is open source, do you think
it will be ? Let's open source !
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From: Thlayli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:53:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson) wrote:
>>Of course, facts are quite irrelevant to your hyperbolae...
>
>Despite the fact that the courts had held that the Justice dept had no
>jurisdiction and the matter should be settled in family court, as in any
>other family dispute.
Which court was that, exactly? It wasn't the family court in Miami, which
revoked Lazaro's custody on April 13. It wasn't the Court of Appeals, which
has said nothing at all on the custody issue. The Court of the Little People
In Your Head doesn't count.
--
Thlayli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~thlayli23x/home.html
"I don't feel the need to explain my art to you."
- A.J., "Empire Records"
*** Replace "theglobe.com" with "usa.net" to email me ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: 2 May 2000 18:01:51 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On a closed isolated island with limited or no freedom of movement,
> that's rather difficult to establish really. There are certainly
> a significant a visible chunk of the population that feels it
> worthwhile to risk death and imprisonment to leave.
Have you been to cuba?
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: 2 May 2000 18:04:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Honey, the PC era hasn't even gotten STARTED yet! As a wise man once
> said about the current state of the industry, "We're rubbing sticks
> together, and seeing fire."
> [snip typical unimaginative MS bashing]
Indeed. How dare anyone utilize truth to support MS bashing.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Webferret search engine on linux.
Date: 2 May 2000 17:51:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 02 May 2000 16:13:34 +0100, Yns wrote:
>
>I am a new Linux user wondering if there is a good internet search tool
>under linux. I'm used to using webferret (www.ferretsoft.com)
>under Windows (puh!) - it's great. I don't like searching via sites
>like lycos etc.
>
The best search engine available is at www.google.com and it runs on Linux.
But it won't run on your Linux box because it needs a data base.
However, you can set up a google search engine for your web site: check out
their WebSearch service.
Bob T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: So what is wrong with X?
Date: 1 May 2000 10:01:21 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It appears to me that X *does* have some major deficiencies as a
>> protocol for running remote applications. [...]
>> text boxes, etc.), it's surely possible to pass the
>> information over the network in a more parsemonious way (`slider 3 has
>> been moved from position 1.1 to 2.3' rather than `mouse is being
>> clicked and dragged over points x1,y1; x2,y2; x3,y3...').
>I'd concur, except for X11 compression protocols:
That doesn't help much -- compression simply gives you a slightly
bigger pipe, but the same wad of data is still being wedged down it.
>And that modems are going out of style rather quickly. ;)
Except in US West (``DSL is available in your area, but you can't
have it'') territory.
____
david parsons \bi/ I guess it's fortunate for X that the Windows
\/ protocols are locked up in proprietary-land.
>
>--
>The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
>Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Webferret search engine on linux.
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:07:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Yns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I am a new Linux user wondering if there is a good internet search
tool
> under linux. I'm used to using webferret (www.ferretsoft.com)
> under Windows (puh!) - it's great. I don't like searching via sites
> like lycos etc.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good tool?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
If you are using Gnome, http://www.pcc.net/alchemy/ferret/ or if you are
using KDE http://www.guruz.de/kwebsearch.html. If neither of these suit
your purpose, you can go to www.freshmeat.net (as I did) and do your own
search. ;-)
Sting
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:14:42 GMT
On Tue, 02 May 2000 02:32:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>As an example I offer up the home networking problem.
>I spent 3 weeks trying to get a network working under Linux and
>finally gave up.
So you've spent three weeks and given up on doing what shouldn't take more
than a few hours. You're frustrated, angry, and jealous and you want to
vent on this newsgroup. Who's problem is that??
Perry
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From: "Mehrban Jam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:27:53 -0700
Reply-To: "Mehrban Jam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8en0qb$cqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:
: And then Gates loses title as richest man to the CEO of another
: Internet company, Oracle. (Not counting other assets, Gates' stake
: in MSFT is worth less than Ellison's stake in ORCL.) Good thing
: Gates quit before this humiliating event:
:
:
Now that we have determined making money from software is a sin and we hate
Bill G for it :-) is it OK to begin and hate Larry for this sin instead? :-)
Mehrban
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From: "Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:31:32 -0700
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
If you didn't want a system with Windows, you could negotiate with Dell,
etc. to get a system w/o Windows. However, you had to make it economically
feasible for Dell to do that. Specifically since Dell provides specific
guarantees of system viability and support. Preparing and testing the
system to make sure that all the components are working is one of the
production steps. Others are that to test the systems, an image has to be
burned onto the drive. The cost of creating an image w/o Windows is cost
prohibitive - they still have to put an image on the drive for testing;
removing that image would be an additional step in production and testing
resulting in increased costs. It is not cheaper for Dell to sell a system
w/o Windows - and that's the real factor.
--ET--
"Leslie Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8emsuv$1n8s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <XwyP4.4034$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:8eltgi$7p0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >Bad example. Car manufacturers provide tremendous incentives to the
> >> >dealerships that sell the most product. The biggest or most aggressive
> >> >dealerships will get the first crack at new/desirable models and
withold
> >> >product that the smaller dealers would like to have (but can't get).
> >>
> >> I thought the MS contracts did not deal with absolute volume but
> >> the fact that windows had to be included with every sale. The
> >> obvious early target would have been Novell since machines purchased
> >> as Netware servers had no use for Windows.
> >
> >You thought wrong. Per processor liscenses ended something like 6 years
> >ago. Microsoft has used volume pricing since then. The more copies of
> >windows you sell, the lower your cost. Thus, to keep margins as high as
> >possible, you sell every system with Windows, or else you raise your
price
> >of Windows by offering choice, due to less volume.
>
> Are you saying that there was no requirement to include Windows
> with every complete system sold? Is everyone else misinformed
> about this? What about the restrictions against refunds/returns
> on unwanted bundled items?
>
> >Novell may not need Windows, but it does need Dos (or at least it used
to).
> >You had to load Netware from a Dos command prompt.
>
> And your point is?
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Andy Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:48:33 +0100
I assumed everybody was united in hating Larry to begin with....
:-)
Andy
Mehrban Jam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8en6nr$b65$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8en0qb$cqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :
> : And then Gates loses title as richest man to the CEO of another
> : Internet company, Oracle. (Not counting other assets, Gates' stake
> : in MSFT is worth less than Ellison's stake in ORCL.) Good thing
> : Gates quit before this humiliating event:
> :
> :
>
> Now that we have determined making money from software is a sin and we
hate
> Bill G for it :-) is it OK to begin and hate Larry for this sin instead?
:-)
>
> Mehrban
>
>
>
>
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advocay off the Net.
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:55:14 -0500
Andres Soolo wrote:
>
> Ali Hamisheh-Bahar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I had CNN on this morning (I apologize in advance ;-), and noticed
> > that some calls/emails were taken in response to the news of M$'s
> > proposed breakup. Almost all were disapproving because they felt that
> > M$ is innovating and they could not understand what they'd gain with a
> > breakup.
> Maybe because they were paid by MS? CNN is important enough for MS
> to take such effort. They have done such things before with newspapers.
>
> > Most end-users have not experienced anything but M$. If you've never
> > experienced power, you don't know what you're missing. To that end, we
> That's right.
>
> > should call the call-in programs, and write to regular
> > newspapers. It's _public_ opinion that matters now ... and they're not
> > on this NG.
> Well, I'd suggest we create a website to cast light to the whole matter.
> There are huge numbers of sites that deal with FUD or with specific pieces
> of it; many sites tell about vapourware; then there are sites on MS, but
> there aren't (at least AFAIK) any sites that descrbe it as whole and
> in the context of Microsoft. Once we'll have it, such letters
> should only point to that site (or these sites).
>
> --
> Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> If you don't do the things that are not worth doing, who will?
See, I started a small project like this at one time on the small space
I had available to me on the web and got nowhere with it really fast.
When you start telling the truth about Microsoft, things get ugly for
you really quick. You say Microsoft is a monopoly and you will have
three people congradulate you for telling the truth, then about four
thousand people tell you you are the stupidest person alive. You say
that MS stifles competition and innovation and you will have a few
people agree, then the usual flood of people saying that MS is the only
company that ever innovated at all in the PC world and that MS is who
invented the PC. Yeah, the public forgets that the PC was the result of
years (decades?) of effort from a lot of different companies all working
toward that smaller and faster machine that is actually usuable for
something. And the sad thing is, people want to believe that.
For the most part, people are ignorant, and they love being that way.
They want to go on blissfully uninformed, its what allows them to live
thier happy(?) lives. If they actually have to start thinking about
things, then they may realize that things aren't as cheery as they like
to believe. And the logical conclusion is that they could DO SOMETHING
to improve the current position of things. Of course, then they would
have to expend effort to accomplish something and that would topple
thier precious free time.....
Sorry, but my point is that if you created a site like you are
describing, only the people that already believe what you are saying
would pay any attention. And all you would end up doing is creating one
more reason for people to hate us "Linux zealots". This is a fact of
life in other areas as well, not just computers. If you say what people
don't want to hear, you are extremely unpopular. Popularity never
bothered me much, but I would just as soon put effort into something
that could be considered productive, rather than go out of my way to
piss off even more people (although most reading this are probably going
to think that I am doing just the opposite).
Jay Lee
P.S. A person is smart, people are dumb, panicky, stupid animals. (K,
Men In Black) A more true thing was never said.
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From: Reinout van Schouwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A split?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 21:03:49 +0200
"Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
> > Then why other countries are saying "Leave it to the Americans to
> > break up the most succesful company in their history"?
>
> Because their investigative and legal process is even slower in this
> regard? :^)
FYI, Microsoft is also under investigation from the EU.
--
Reinout van Schouwen
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voicemail : 020-8750706
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