Linux-Advocacy Digest #268, Volume #28 Sun, 6 Aug 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... (Jim Richardson)
Re: Sort of a comparison, I think. (Jim Richardson)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (Jim Broughton)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: can Linux use be so low? I do not believe it. web traffic. ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Michael S. Lorrey")
Re: post-installation SCSI setup?? ("karl.muddiman")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Daniel Johnson")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came...
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:43:21 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 6 Aug 2000 08:15:19 GMT,
Loren Petrich, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>
>>>Just making the point that all of the "corporate welfare" that
>>>the Democrats are whining about and blaming on the Republicans
>>>was actually pushed through congress by the Democrats themselves.
>
> Pure yellow-dog Republicanism -- politicians of both parties have
>been addicts of this perversion of capitalism.
Which is why it needs to go away.
>
>>>The Republicans' greatest fear is that the American public
>>>won't understand what the Republicans' goals are.
>>>The Democrats' greatest fear is that the American public
>>>will figure out EXACTLY what the Democrats' goals are.
>
>>Wow; coming from a Republican, that sure sounds like a pretty convincing
>>argument. Not.
>
> Mr. Kulkis will protest that he is not a Republican, but there's
>an old joke that says that libertarians are Republicans who smoke pot.
>
And oppose the war on drugs, import tariffs, consenual crime laws in
general, gun-control, govt sponsored spying on it's citizens, et al, sure,
if you ignore all that and more, the Libs are just dope smoking Republicans...
Do you also refer to cars as trains with no rails?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Sort of a comparison, I think.
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:59:17 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:34:16 -0400,
mlw, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>I just got another machine. I am working on a project that took hours to
>do on a PII 450, 128 Meg ram. So, I got a dual PIII 700, 256M ram. It is
>much better now.
>
>So, left over is a pretty decent machine on which to run things.
>
>I setup Windows on it. It took 3 1/2 hours. This was installing
>software, finding drivers, downloading drivers, installing drivers,
>rebooting, etc.
>
>The machine has TV card, sound card, Adaptec SCSI, IDE CD, IDE disk in a
>removable tray. I had a parallel port scanner which I had to boot into
>Windows to operate, so I moved that back to the old machine. All in all,
>it is a pretty fun machine.
>
>Now, just having Windows on it seemed like a waste. So, I put a "removed
>due to upgrade" hard disk in the tray, and installed RedHat Linux. This
>only took about 1/2 hour for standard "kde" workstation.
>
>Once booted, the only thing that did not run was the TV card and the
>scanner. I knew the UMAX scanner would probably never run on Linux (OEM
>stupidity), that left the Hauppauge TV card. I went to www.linuxhw.com,
>click on links, and found video for Linux. Found xawtv. Downloaded it,
>configure, make, install, up and running. That took about 1/2 hour.
>
>So, about 3 1/2 hours for Windows 98SE, and about 1 hour for Linux.
>
>All in all, the Linux install was faster and easier.
>
>Perhaps this is a rare occurrence, but then again maybe not.
>
I have the same basic story from installing Linux and Windows98 on my wife's
machine, It was quicker and easier to install SuSE6.4 that Windows98 on that
machine (PIII 550MHz, everything pretty normal, no SCSI etc.) Linux recognized
all the hw, except the winmodem (yech) windows barfed on the sound card
( a no-name yamaha chipset) and got confused at first about the video card.
I didn't time it, but the windows to a lot longer that linux, and I had
to baby sit the windows box through the install, whilst the Linux install was
simple and when the initial config was done, I just went and read a book while
it loaded the full 6+gigs of stuff on board. All I had to do was wander by
every 10 or 15 minutes and feed in another CD. Since then, we've changed the
soundcard, (h/w failure) and linux had no trouble reconfiguring for a new
soundcard, windows threw a hissy fit and needed to be beat over the head
metaphorically for about a half hour. *SIGH* this is ease of installation?
I have allways managed to get windows installed, eventually, but it's rarely
as easy as the winvocate would have you believe, especially if you don't have
the original driver disks for your hardware around.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:52:06 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when fred would say:
> >On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:18:14 GMT, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
> >>I/T Architect, MIS Director
> >>http://www.open4success.com
> >>Linux - 40 million satisfied users worldwide
> >>and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 7/2/00)
> >
> >Rex has recalibrated his Linux counter again.
> >
> >It's kind of interesting how his counter is a bit well, optimistic.
> >
> >In 8/99 it was 44 million growing at 3% a week
> >in 10/99 it was 50 million growing at 3% a week
> >In 12/99 it was 60 million growing at 3% a week
> >In 04/00 it was 60 million growing at 1% a week
> >In 06/00 it was 90 million growing at 5% a month
> >
> >And now as of his August 3, 2000 post it is a mere 42 million growing
> >at 5% a month.
> >
> >I just wish deja.com had those old posts back online. ;(
> >
> >Never could figure out where that 90 million number came from, glad to
> >see Rex is willing to correct his mistakes.
> >
> >Now if only he'd realize that the reality is probably half what he's
> >claiming, i.e. around 20 million. :)
>
> Mind you, if reality is around 20 million, that's still none too shabby.
>
> >Or if he'd finally admit to making up the Microsoft/Unix story.
>
> But that might lead to bigger and worse things.
>
> He might have to admit to not having invented the Internet, just like
> Al Gore. And that association with Democratic presidential figures might
> be unacceptable. (Yes, there could be other reasons; this is just one
> of the more entertaining ones...)
>
> >Or well, maybe if he'd just stop posting. :)
>
> If he'd only post the things he had actually researched, and had
> verifiable facts for...
>
> Um, well, I guess that probably amounts to what you said. :-).
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
> "Free software: the Source will be with you, always."
> -- Will Mengarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Its a wonder you wintrolls get anything done. All you do is quote bad
spec after bad spec, makeup and or post erronious data (some supplied by
bills thugs with rigged testing I might add). It would seem to me
that you just dont get it. Linux is a system that people who know
computers like to use because it is vastly more configurable and usable
than windows (any flavor). Just go back to your brain dead windows setup
with the backdoors and poor security and leave the smart people here the
hell alone.
--
Jim Broughton
(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:58:39 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said ZnU in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
[...]
>> James Von Holle of Gateway testified, that no one from Microsoft has
>> ever told him that Gateway should not load Netscape's Web browsing
>> software on its computers. (DX 2597A (Von Holle Dep.) at 133.) Von
>> Holle also testified that he was not aware of any threats from
>> Microsoft "as a result of Gateway' s decision to allow users to
>> choose their browser as part of the Gateway.net signup
>
>I'd love to see that in context, but it appears it's a sealed document.
>How convenient.
>
>Unless I'm wrong. Got a URL?
It isn't sealed, but you are not wrong; it is quite interesting to see
what JS/PL cites as exculpation of MS by Gateway, in context. This link
is to excerpts from Mr. Von Holle's deposition, in the only available
format, AFAIK. The document is about 620K.
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/1462.pdf
That Mr. Von Holle testified that he was not aware of "any threats" from
MS concerning their use of the "big ass button" strategy is pure
flum-flummery. That nobody from MS personally told Von Holle that
Gateway should not "load Netscape's Web browsing software" is equally
lucid and equally dishonest a statement. Gateway was, in fact,
threatened with a broad range of reprisals for their "relationship" with
Gateway and their gateway.net signup software both. That the individual
claim "don't load Navigator or else" was never made is as unilluminating
as the fact that MS was as vague and understated in their threats as any
other criminal extortionist would be.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
applicable licensing agreement]-
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From: "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: can Linux use be so low? I do not believe it. web traffic.
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:56:27 -0700
"Matthias Warkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was the 6 Aug 2000 10:55:36 -0700...
> ...and sid@net <sid@net> wrote:
> >
> > I was shocked to see this web page, it does web traffic analysis,
> > and it claims Linux use is about 0% of total.
> >
> > check it out, please tell me this can't be true
> >
> > http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/August/os.html
>
> Probably they just evaluated counters on the kind of pages where Linux
> people don't tend to go
yeah, right.
>, such as Crappy Flashy Browser-Crashing
> Britney Spears Fan Page Of the Day No. 742, or Mary's Cute Pink
> Comprehensive Archive of Dawson's Creek Episode Capsules.
no humor can change the fact that linux is used so little. face the
facts.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: 7 Aug 2000 00:09:54 GMT
On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:30:41 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>I noticed that you snipped where you mentioned "unimpressive IQ scores"
>
>100 is unimpressive.
>
>125 is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the norm, as it is almost 2 standard
>deviations above the norm.
Among a bunch of lay persons, 100 is unimpressive. Among a bunch of
physics or math graduate students, anything less than 130 is fairly
unimpressive.
BTW, if he was "sandbagging" when he scored 125, that makes him a
poor sandbagger. At least he could have got less than 110.
--
Donovan
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From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,soc.singles,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 20:11:42 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Michael S. Lorrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> >> >> How do you "opt out" of the tax system ?
> >> >Join the Tax Patriots. In the US, the Income Tax, in order to be
> >> >constitutional, had to be made a voluntary tax system. Do the proper
> >> >paperwork, and you don't gotta pay taxes. ...
> >> Tax evasion, pure and simple.
> >Actually not.
>
> Baloney. How will your beloved armed forces be funded if
> everybody evades taxes like that?
Since our beloved armed forces only use less than 14% of federal
revinues, we can take it out of the portion that keeps superannuated
socialistic old farts on the dole and playing shuffleboard.
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From: "karl.muddiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: post-installation SCSI setup??
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:10:10 +0100
Well you seem to have done the hard bit. As it is an SCSI zip you will most
probably refer to it as dev/sda4 in your fstab. Don't forget to creat that
mount point though.
Karl
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:34:59 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:25:39 GMT, Daniel Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> >> Uh... the market?
> >
> >The market seems to have decided that it likes bundled
> >products and that it likes web browsers as part of the
> >software bundled with a computer.
>
> ...except the market as a whole, given the existence of
> free replaceability, isn't merely limited to the lowest
> common denominator.
Well, that's true.
But it seems to like bundling, and it seems to like
browsers with the OS.
> >This isn't just limited to Microsoft. This is now commonplace.
> >
> >So, apparently we should get out the way and let
> >Microsoft put IE in Windows, just like all the other
> >OSes on or near the desktop.
>
> Nope.
>
> NO ONE puts a browser "IN" their OS.
Hmm. KDE has it in the shell, just like Microsoft does it.
Apple tried to build it into their component document
model, but it didn't pan out.
My personal preference is for bundling it, but
there seems to be a movement for integrating
it beyond just Microsoft.
> Only Microsoft does to muddle the distinction between what
> should be a 3rd party product and what is their own.
Why should it be a "3rd party" product?
I personally do agree that it would be better bundled
bundled, not integrated.
But I'm not so sure I'm in the majority on the point.
[snip]
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