Linux-Advocacy Digest #268, Volume #30 Thu, 16 Nov 00 12:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux get new term? (phil hunt)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. (Tore Lund)
Re: Microsoft Speaks German! ("Chad Myers")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Craig Kelley)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (.)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Craig Kelley)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (.)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OS stability (Stuart Fox)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:14:43 +1000
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:...
>
> "Gary Connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > > Past record? MS' support for Alpha (which had a reasonable sized
> > > market) was pretty good. Many recent products (including Office,
> > > Visual Studio 6, and many BackOffice products) are available on
> > > Alpha. All recent patches are available on alpha. Many of the
> > > new add-on features (scripting engines, Java VMs, etc) are
> > > still being released with Alpha support.
> > >
> > > What past record, other than the very good one, are you referring to?
> > >
> > > -Chad
> >
> > How about PPC support? It EXISTED, at one time. Some people actually
> > ran it. MS killed it.
>
> Due to lack of demand. Which is hardly surprising - why run NT on a PPC
> when x86 is cheaper and Alpha is faster ?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 16 Nov 2000 15:14:05 GMT
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:09:07 -0000, Sam Morris wrote:
>Works fine for me on Win95 and 98. For Christ's sake, the HELP command has
>been around since (AT LEAST) DOS 6! IF (and it's a biiiiig if) you *really*
>get a Bad Command or Filename error when you run Help then you must have
>done something to move or delete it.
No, I didn't do anything to "move or delete it". Yes, "help" has been
around for some time (for example, I remember it being there with Win 3.x).
No, it doesn't seem to work on Win 9x, and a lot of others have concurred.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: alt.politics.election,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux get new term?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:34:16 +0000
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:43:43 GMT, Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Doc Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>If the government spends my money to develope software, then
>>as a tax payer I should have the right to use that software.
>
>There are lots of things that the government owns, but tax payers don't
>have any right to them. For instance, the government owns thousands of
>cars (not to mention the tanks and fighter jets used by the military), but
>you can't just borrow them because your taxes were used to purchase them.
Software is different, becausde if I use it, it doesn't prevent other
people from using it at the same time.
>If the government commissions software for the benefit of the people, it
>would make sense for it to be open source. If they commission it for their
>internal operations, this doesn't make as much sense.
Why not?
If others find it useful too, they gain and the govmt hasn't lost out.
> In fact, the
>government doesn't "develop" as much software as they used to; they usually
>try to purchase off-the-shelf software that meets their needs, and limiting
>themselves to open source software could make it much more difficult for
>them to get what they need at a reasonable price (in fact, it might require
>them to commission custom software development, which would be much more
>expensive than COTS).
This is quite possible. IMO it'd be better to have a policy that the govmt
should use OSS where it is feasible, adding to existing packages if need
be, and use closed source when they have to.
--
*****[ Phil Hunt ]*****
"An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your
silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation
of a paperclip to look at instead." -- Windows2007 error message
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From: Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:19:33 +0100
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> You obviously haven't tried to copy a whole running system like
> you claimed or you would know where the errors happen. I think
> it is in the DLLs and a couple of the system files.
I have in fact copied Win95 in precisely this way and used it for months
afterward with no problem. But never mind, we can agree that Windows is
a failure in this area. I just thought it was unfair to criticize MS
for something that could be done in a much simpler way. Now I am not so
sure.
Anyway, doing something like "cp -a" from a foreign OS presupposes that
you know the file system, and this may be a problem with NTFS. FreeBSD,
at least, cannot write to NTFS (although it can read it), and I suppose
the same holds for Linux. So from here on we shall probably be stuck
with Microsoft's way of doing things - those of us who have to use
Windows, that is. This is one reason why I would like to know exactly
what can and cannot be done in cases like these.
--
Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Reply-To: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft Speaks German!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:34:13 GMT
"Andr� P�nitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8v0s33$8ma$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > G.W.Bush is in the lead and will rectify the situation.
>
> By having some more people executed perhaps?
A governor's responsibility is to uphold the law.
The law in Texas allows for the death penalty.
A bill to outlaw the death penalty in Texas would
fail miserably.
The Governor reviews each case, but it its considered
poor practice to grant pardons to every person convicted
and sentanced by the judicial branch.
What is with you liberals being against the rule of law?
I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty, but
that's the law in Texas, and it's G.W.'s job to uphold the
law.
Why is this wrong, and why is the blood on his hands? If you
want to blame anyone, blame the "blood-thirsty" people in
Texas for keeping this law.
-Chad
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Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 Nov 2000 09:00:39 -0700
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > Without good memory management, you can't do a non-trivial program
> very
> > > > > well. I don't care what anyone says, garbage collectors don't work
> in
> > > > > complex systems. You either end up running too slowly because the
> memory
> > > > > manager is taking up too much time, or your process bloats because
> the
> > > > > memory manager isn't doing enough.
> > > >
> > > > Care to explain that to my Java servlets then?
> > >
> > > Someone here wrote some java servlets using xml and an xslt
> > > transformation and they appear to grow by the size of every response,
> > > never releasing any memory. I kill the whole jvm when it hits 40 megs
> > > (every hour or so). Fortunately apache knows how to restart it. How do
> you
> > > make a servlet free it's memory?
> >
> > I haven't noticed it with jakarta at all; but you can tell Java to
> > garbage collect when you think you're smarter than the garbage
> > collector is (which happens from time to time). The garbage
> > collector in 1.3 is more intelligent than the one in earlier
> > versions.
> >
> > It is still possible to create persistent references, which cannot be
> > collected, but that is bad code even in C++.
>
> Someone told me that parsing the xml DOM created circular references
> which sounds likely, but they also said that at the end of a page the
> servlet should completely release everything - but it isn't happening.
> I suppose it is time to rebuild with the latest versions of everything.
> Unfortunately the guy who wrote the java code is no longer around
> so I'll have to hope nothing breaks.
Also keep in mind that servlets never quit, so you cannot rely on
stale references to go out of scope in a request handler. You must
explicitly un-reference them if not otherwise handled.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 Nov 2000 09:13:51 -0700
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >
> > On 16 Nov 2000 10:04:05 +0200, Michael Livshin wrote:
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
> > >
> >
> > >it depends on what you consider the issue. if your issue is "but C++
> > >is better than C" then sure.
> >
> > Fair enough. I understand your "issue" now.
> >
> > Your points about lacking memory management are well taken, and I agree that
> > there are certainly advantages to using a GC language. However, there are
> > issues including performance, and toolkit availability. THese are the
> > main two reasons why I use it. If performance wasn't an issue, I'd move
> > to python or possibly java at the drop of a hat.
>
> Maybe I'm just old school here, if I don't have a full understanding
> about how the code I write translates to actual machine instructions, I
> find it difficult to work in the environment.
>
> For instance:
>
> for(int i=0; i < 100; i++)
> ;
>
> I have a good general knowledge about how that will translate in C++ to
> assembly. Take:
>
> for($i; $i < 100; $i++)
> ;
That's because C is basically a macro assembler. It forces the
programmer to deal with the mundane, like memory management and
abstraction, instead of the real problem. There's a reason why Visual
Basic is so popular under Windows -- it lets the programmer do what
they need to do without all the hassle of C and C++. C++ does solve
many of the abstraction problems that C does not, but it doesn't do
much for memory managment and chasing down stray pointers is still a
"fun" thing you must do during development.
The only reason to use C or C++ that I can think of is speed; and
perhaps that some library you need to use only has C bindings. In
today's era of 1ghz machines, these points are becomming moot
quickly. A VB application today runs as fast as it's C++ equivelent
of a year or two ago.
I'm a dyed-in-wool CS person, who learned with raw C and then C++; I
know them well and I detest them.
> In PHP is not nearly as efficient, worse yet, it is very hard to figure
> out how inefficient it is. One has to crawl around the insides of PHP
> and figure out how all the tokens are translated and executed. The same
> goes for Java, python, etc. In C/C++ almost all the compilers will
> generate assembly from C/C++ source.
But that's the whole point. Most people don't want/need to know how
it is translated. You also have this problem to a lesser extent with
any high-level language (like C++, for instance -- how are templates
compiled?).
> I think the huge complaint these days about "bloatware" is that students
> are not taught how to code. A lot of the kids comming out of collage
> hardly know C/C++ at all, and focus on something like Java. Most have
> never seen assembly code. I think this is important, our schools are
> creating a legion of business app developers, with very few qualified to
> work on operating system, low level or performance related software. It
> is a shame.
I hear fewer and fewer complaints about bloatware every year. Today's
hardware is making it obsolete; not that everything non-C++ is
bloatware (it isn't).
Java is a great language that tries too hard to be multi-platform; I'd
even go so far as to say it is C++ done almost correctly.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:18:38 GMT
If it were "only" me you would be correct.
And BTW those problems I posted were NOT me, they were other people.
I suggest a trot over to the Mandrake group to see how "well" it is
being received.
claire
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:25:04 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:08:27 -0500, Gary Hallock
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Because your an idiot. My modem works fine. Even my winmodem works
>> >fine. I recently picked up an Epson 880 printer for $150. It works
>>
>> Ah yes the classic Linonut response "because it works for me everyone
>> else must be an idiot".
>>
>> Do your fellow Linonuts and future Linonuts a favor and take a walk
>> over to some of the setup groups and let the folks asking these same
>> questions over and over again know how well Linux works for "you" and
>> how the problem must be with them. "All of them".
>> I'm sure in all of their frustration trying to get Linux to work, they
>> will be happy to hear how well it works for "you".
>>
>> claire
>
>Ah, yes, the classic Winonut repsonse. "because YOU can't get it to work
>Linux is crap".
>
>Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 16 Nov 2000 16:18:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I think they are talking about Tux, and I may be mistaken, but I do believe
>> > that Tux is only capable of handling static pages. Not very useful
>> > today.
>>
>> Why not?
> Because almost everyone uses dynamic content. Well, at least most, if not all,
> sites that count (e.g. not the hamster dance page)
Lets see.
Most websites are hosted with apache. This is a fact.
Apache works exactly the same way; its function is independant of operating system.
Apache runs under linux, and quite well.
It follows that it is very likely that at least SOME sites that count are served
by apache.
It therefore follows that dynamic content is possible with apache, and therefore
linux.
You moronic fool.
>> Most content is still static.
> In business or personal? In business, you are completely wrong.
Actually, they are completely correct. Most commercial content is static, though
most commercial websites contain dynamic content. I'll leave it up to you,
chad, to figure out the difference.
>> Tux is perfectly able to pass on dynamic requests to another layer (e.g.
> Apache)
> Which would slow the whole works down considerably and move the linux figures
> to the bottom.
You're still pretending that you know how linux works, chad. You quite
plainly dont have the brain for it.
Dont bother replying, chad. You and I both know that im correct.
=====.
k
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:20:41 GMT
The last line is where the fun begins. It's like a bad automobile
manual:
Problem: Car does not go in reverse.
Solution:Replace transmission. See section 6.1.4.2
Section 6.1.4.2: To replace transmission remove all bolts that appear
to hold it in place.
claire
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:27:51 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> My my but we are getting nasty today.
>>
>> You're starting to sound like jedi :(
>>
>> Pretty soon you might start adding the word "hardly" to every
>> sentence.
>>
>> claire
>>
>
>But it really is very simple to install wine. If you can't do it, then you
>have no brain:
>
>rpm -Uvh wine*.rpm
>
>man wine.conf
>
>follow the instructions to adjust wine.conf for your local environment.
>
>Gary
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:25:45 GMT
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:25:45 -0500, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Because rpm has options for installing, updating, and deleting, among others.
>You really only need -U (for update) or -i (for install). The v provides verbose
>messages and the h provides hash marks to show thre progress of the install. Of
>course if you prefer a GUI then both kpackage and gnorpm will let you do it with
>just a couple of mouse clicks. And if you left click on an rpm file in kfm or
>konqeror then kpackage pops up. And if you have to have the rpm file on a CD,
>insert the CD and up pops kpackage.
And most of the time it is complaining with some obscure verbiage
about some library missing or out of date (even if it is a later
version) and it leaves you high and dry.
As for gnorpm, the last time I used it my system became totally
unusable. Whatever the hell it decided I needed I should have lived
without.
I prefer setup.exe under Windows and with modern versions of Windows
and applications dll problems are rare.
If RPM was the standard way of installing packages under business,
software sales would plummet because nobody would be able to install
anything unless they had some geek friend to explain it to them.
claire
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 Nov 2000 09:22:32 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > Click on the GNOME menu.
> >
> > Click on gnorpm.
> >
> > Click install.
> >
> > Or, just browse to the file using the mouse and double-click on the
> > RPM. This is not brain surgery.
>
> This is much better. Gary began explaining how to do relatively
> simple and frequent tasks with RPM which involve 3-5 command line
> arguments. What the hell were they thinking?
It's easier to write text in a newsgroup than it is to explain where
the mouse should go. Take a look at some of the Microsoft help groups
sometime: "Move the mouse here, select that from that box, highlight
this tab at the top and then slide the slider to this position"; it's
much easiser to write: rpm -ivh blah.rpm
> > Ahem, just like 'winipcfg' and 'musermgr'?
>
> Big difference....
>
> RPM - Used frequently, and typically required, to install many new
> applications downloaded from the Internet. Almost as ubiquitous
> as .ZIP on the Windows platform.
RPM is more equivalent to SETUP.EXE (even though it can do so much
more).
> MAN - The basic help system, used frequently.
... by programmers for programmers. All GUI tools have GUI help
systems.
> winipcfg - used infrequently by sysadmins to troubleshoot IP problems
... or by poor home users who need to setup their cable modems. I
don't know how they manage typing all those cryptic letters in!
> musermgr - never heard of it. You mean usermgr.exe? Also only used
> by sysadmins for user configuration.
No, I'm talking about the local user manager for Windows NT
Workstation.
> See the difference? The basic help system, and the basic application
> installer vs two sysadmin tools.
>
> If we're going to compare apples to apples, compare RPM to ZIP in
> ease of use (or the gnomerpm to WinZIP) and MAN to Windows HELP.
It's gnorpm; and no, I won't compare disparate tools with eachother.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: 16 Nov 2000 16:27:02 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you use Linux?
>>
>> Yes
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > If yes, then you've used a "version" of Unix which doesn't have ACLs.
>> >
>>
>> No
>>
>> >
>> > HP-UX? HP-UX doesn't have ACLs without special add-ons. Even if it
>> > does have ACLs (new improvement?) it isn't up to snuff because it
>> > isn't even considered for audit by the TSEC.
>> >
>>
>> HP, yes
> Not by default.
What? "default"? Chad, youve never even SEEN HP/UX. Stop pretending
you have; you're making yourself look extremely foolish.
You dont know what youre talking about at all.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:29:52 GMT
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 04:34:30 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Rpm does more than one thing, and unlike windows 'setup'
>programs it doesn't take a half hour of mousing around
>followed by a reboot to tell it what you want.
I've never had setup.exe fail yet.
>> Why not have one wine file, why are their multiple?
>
>Why won't 'setup' process as many packages as you
>want in one command?
Because unlike Linux, I am installing one program. I don't have to
worry about 15 other programs necessary to make this one program
function.
>> What's -v and -h for? Yes, I'm sure that it's all in the docs (if
>> there are any), but seriously, simply extract an rpm file I must
>> really have THREE command line arguments?
>
>Those are for the warm-fuzzy feedback. If you prefer the down
>to business no-news-is-good-news approach, leave them off.
Nothing about Linux is warm. Fuzzy maybe.
But Warm?
No way.
Cold as ice Linux is.
Wine is irrelevant anyway. It will always be behind Windows in
applications support, much like Linux tends to be behind Windows in
hardware support, except for rigormortis hardware, which Linux excels
at.
claire
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From: Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:21:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:28:12 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
> >Yeah, people who do not like to look at the truth. Hey if you get
thank
> >yous from the likes of chad. drestin, and fun... And and get some
sort
> >of satisfaction from it, you must have a sorry life!
>
> Nonsense. Your attempt to portray me as a closet Windows advocate is
> laughable since it is easy to verify that your claims lack any
substance
> whatsoever.
>
> I don't like to do this, but since you wanted to know, here's what I
get
> thank you letters about:
>
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO.html
> http://www.vim.org/syntax/spec.vim
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/linux/modeline/
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/intro.html
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/talk/
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/quickguide.html
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/grep.html
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/sed.html
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/procmail.html
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/bash-tute.html
>
> Nope, nothing about Windows, nothing that Chad Myers or any of the
> Windows guys would really be interested in.
Actually, as a "Windows guy" (TM) (whatever that might be), I found
your pages to be quite informative, and they've earned themselves a
place in my favourites. I use the tools I need to get my job done, and
it never hurts to know more than one way to do things. I use grep
fairly regularly, and awk and sed less frequently, but sometimes the
Windows tools don't provide me with what I need.
>
> >But the fact remains. Now 2 sources show PRODUCTION W2K servers to be
> >less stable than Unix!
>
> Great. Now do you think that your obnoxious conduct is going to make
anyone
> switch ? No, it's just going to piss people off.
Absolutely. Matt (that's his real name) is obviously deranged (now
that *is* an insult if you're reading Matt). The ramblings of what
appear to be a semi literate Linux goon (another insult) do no favours
for the Linux community (whatever that might be).
FWIW, I've always found your posts to be well informed and interesting,
and reasonably balanced.
Cheers
Stu
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:34:15 GMT
Hang on to it Pete, cause when it's a collectors item, Linux will have
full support. You won't be able to buy ink for it anymore, but it will
be supported.
claire
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:57:18 -0500, Gary Hallock
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>Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
>>
>> My HP 4200C isn't supported (last I looked).
>>
>
>Have you checked out:
>
>http://hp4200-backend.sourceforge.net/
>
>It seems to still be alpha so I'm not sure how well it works.
>
>Gary
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Subject: Re: Help!!
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:35:28 GMT
The key word being "usually"
claire
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 05:22:39 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>n
>a problem with the hard disk. But, the recent versions usually
>don't have this problem.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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