Linux-Advocacy Digest #186, Volume #29 Mon, 18 Sep 00 18:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The Linux Experience (Tom)
Linux: It's not just for geeks anymore (OSguy)
Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Larry R)
Re: The Linux Experience (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? ("Dan
Jacobson")
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:58:46 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Mike Byrns in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
[...]
>Max, care to post the proof that AOL is still contractually obligated to use IE
>even though Gecko won't work with AOL client yet? Wake up. What little
>credibility you have left is on the line.
I don't work like that. If you try real hard, you might be able to
learn how to think well enough that you aren't entirely convinced that
the real world is defined by press releases.
[...]
>Please explain where a rendering surface is a new concept. Almost every
>rendering engine uses a canvas or surface paradigm. I don't love your shit :-)
[...]
>News Flash: Erik Funkenbusch forces people to use "monopolistic crap" by simple
>USENET posting! What a phenomenon! ;-)
[...]
>Nope. Neoplanet is it's own completely separate browser. Iexplore.exe does not
>need to be present at all. In fact you could run Neoplanet on Judge Jackson's
>"IE free machine" and it would still run just peachy. Try it. I can post
>instructions for you if you want.
LOL. I was just using Neoplanet again on my friend's PC. Yes, its IE
under the covers; they're relying entirely on whatever 'IE/Win' DLLs
they need to provide functionality on top of a fancy skin, and that's
about all. Iexplorer.exe has nothing to do with it.
>> They'd probably provide skins for any other browser, too,
>> if they could.
>
>Why when skins are what differentiates their browser that uses Windows internet
>technologies from IE and Netscape?
Hardly. There's shared libraries underneath all software; it doesn't
make moving shared libraries for a browser that a consumer wants to
acquire separately from shared libraries for an OS into the OS in order
to prevent competition any less a federal offense. Thanks for clearing
us up on that point.
>> But Microsoft has (illegally) prevented them from having
>> a wider market.
>
>Document please? Again that sterling Devlin credibility is put to the test :-)
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f4400/4469.htm
>> >Dubious value indeed. There is literally billions of dollars
>> >being made by companies using IE embedded in their applications.
>>
>> And more billions to be lost by buying in to monopoly crapware.
>
>Where are those numbers Max?
They're projected, Mike. Kind of like the ones you read in Microsoft
press releases, only they're more reasoned and reasonable. I'd step you
through them, but you're just ankle-biting, since you can't reasonable
disagree with any of the underlying facts and maintain any supposed
credibility which you're supposed to have on the matter.
[...]
>Au contrair. If IE did suck so "entirely" then it would not be able to be
>chosen to include in these other independant products.
Still in full 'denial of reality' mode, eh? If there were a free
market, we'd be able to tell how badly is sucks. 'Entirely' is the only
reasonable approximation I can think of, since they have 'entirely' the
Win98 built-in market.
>Even if it's only
>redeeming feature was it's beautiful modern component architecture it most
>probably would not be in the position it is in today.
So why is it? I think you're begging the question, literally. Read
through those two sentences again. "If it sucked so much, it wouldn't
be used, even if it didn't suck in the way it is supposedly useful?"
You're chasing your tail, and trying to say that if it works at all, it
can't be crap.
>I fail to see how
>Microsoft forced Intiut and Neoplanet and all the others to implement their
>technologies?
By ensuring there were no other alternatives. You don't seem to
recognize why Microsoft was convicted because of their response to a
'middleware threat'. The 'componentized browser' which Netscape was
planning to develop in response to customer requests became technically
unfeasible and then commercially impossible, because of Microsoft's
efforts to 'cut off their air supply'.
You have a small point that Jackson did agree with the fact that their
efforts to directly encourage third parties to abandon support for
Netscape constituted a fourth conviction in and of itself. He did still
use it as evidence of the third conviction, 'tying', as well as the
second charge, 'attempting to monopolize the market for web browsers'.
>Maybe because they realize that these services really are built
>in to the OS and being that they are freely available there's little reason not
>to use them especially in light of the fact that no competitor does the same.
The market is free to choose what is built into what, in a free market.
If not for monopolizing, all this techno-miracle stuff you fantasize
works all the time might or might not be worth considering as anything
more than crap. Until the monopoly is gone and forgotten, however, this
simply cannot be the case. Lack of competition doesn't mean Win32 is
the best thing, it means it is the worst thing.
>Maybe you need to produce some documents that show how AOL, Intuit, Neoplanet
>and the rest have all been forced to use Windows Internet technologies?
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f4400/4469.htm
[...]
>> >Hack? What are you talking about? IE is provided via COM. COM is not a
>> >hack, nor is it "low level"
>>
>> It is both low level and a hack.
>
>OK Max. This is a whole new can of worms. New topic of conversation.
No its not. Its continued ankle-biting.
>(D)COM
>is a low level hack. Proof by T. Max Devlin. Pony up, boy.
Okay: DCOM is a low-level hack. It is krufty and unreliable and too low
level to be easily ignored if you want to try to write Windows software
that isn't hopelessly crippled by the expense of trying to ignore
monopoly crap.
>> Although, to be honest, it isn't a
>> hack, as hacking requires elegance and usefulness,
>
>My definition of hack in this context comes from Webster and reads "4 a : to
>write computer programs for enjoyment b : to gain access to a computer
>illegally". I see nothing of elegance or usefulness defined. But I can tell
>you that from a production Windows programmer's viewpoint (mine and the folks
>I've worked with) it is both elegant, efficient and VERY useful.
Well, they're a bunch of inexperienced clods like yourself, then. My
definition of hack in this context comes from The Jargon File, and
reads:
"1. n. Originally, a quick job that produces what is needed, but not
well. "
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/The-Jargon-Lexicon-framed.html
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:01:40 GMT
>And I make sure I have
> a boot disk and a known kernel when recompiling my kernel or
> playing with LILO options. This way, if (when) something gets hosed,
> I can always get into the system.
Speaking of which...........
I once had a situation where LILO was set up with two boot options:
linux
nt
The first one pointed to the linux partition on the second SCSI drive.
The second pointed to the first partition on the primary SCSI drive.
The second drive went bad. LILO refused to load, even though LILO is on
the PRIMARY SCSI drive! It simply couldn't read whatever information
from the secondary SCSI drive it needed to display the boot options!
What are you supposed to do in this scenario?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: OSguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux: It's not just for geeks anymore
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:24:01 -0500
CNN story:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/09/18/corel.linux.idg/index.html
Basically a review Corel's latest Linux distribution, version 1.2.
It's a good review?? Corel has something that actually works?
Note: Applixware is actually mentioned too!
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge
Date: 18 Sep 2000 21:22:31 GMT
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
: Filename extensions are no more stupid than weakly-
: typed programming languages. There are plenty of
: perfectly legitimate reasons to have weak typing, so
: I'd revise my provincial attitudes if I were you.
: Btw, type checking and using magic can be interpreted
: as condescension on the part of software. Certainly, your
: opinion of users demonstrates plenty of condescension.
: Just what the hell is wrong with letting users determine
: the type of an object? Will the system come to a grinding
: halt the way it does if a user executes rm -rf? Is there
: some reason why I shouldn't be allowed to rename
: "list\ of\ songs.text" to "list\ of\ songs.playlist"? Oh,
: that's right, the type is supposed to be determined by
: magic, eh? Get a clue, buddy; what you're proposing is
: flatly impossible!
The users can already dictate the sort of file they're
creating simply by the contents of that file. If I save
a nice PNG to disk, why should I need to tell the system
that it's a PNG again by naming it in a certain way?
And putting a .gif at the end of it certainly won't
transform the file into a GIF. At best, the extensions
system puts the burden of file classification on the user
where it doesn't belong.
Even for text formats, the use of special naming techniques
is difficult to justify. If "my songlist" is a file
that contains a list of newline-delimited audio files,
I should simply be able to open it with a player rather
than having to name it "my songlist.list" or some such
thing.
Perhaps the best use of extensions is for a sort of
rudimentary classification system. For instance,
C source traditionally gets a .c extension and so forth.
But it would be a lot nicer if the filesystem knew enough
about what was being untarred to classify the files for me
so that I could do quick searches without needing to
know the naming conventions or location in the directory
hierarchy. For instance, "linux.c" might be tagged as
both "Linux Source Code" and "C Source File", thus
allowing for more verbose file information than a simple
name can provide.
So still, I find it difficult to justify the continued use
of file suffixes to store file information when there are
much better ways to handle the core problems of file
typing and file organization without jumbling the
solution into a naming kludge.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry R)
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: 18 Sep 2000 21:12:18 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
stuff deleted
>>I should be able to run a file in the shell without specifying any program
>>so long as it has only one association. And nothing KDE does
>>can change the fact that I can't.
>
>See the manpages for "magic" and "file". The fact that there doesn't
>exist a command shell that automatically handles file types is due to
>the fact that no one seems to want one. It's not a design limitation.
>
>>> The only users who are "lacking control" are the ones too lazy or
>>> stupid to learn how to use the features provided.
>>
more deleted
>On a machine that has KDE or GNOME installed ( most distributions ),
>it's "obvious and automatic".
>
>>> If I refuse to learn how to do file association under Windows, it
>>> doesn't work very well there either.
>>
>>Wrong. When you install applications, they inevitably try to
>>associate themselves with certain file types.
>
>These are built into the GUI system, not the kernel. It's the GUI's
>responsibility to implement this stuff. That's why you can't "execute"
>a word document from dos and have it open word.
Actually, I just tried that and it does work (surprise ;-0 )
C:\docs>test.doc opened up word with the file so it can "execute" a doc file
from a DOS window. (I know it isn't the same as booting DOS and doing this)
But I still hate WinNT.
>
>There are also GUIs that can and do associate file types for Linux. If
>you're not using one of them, well that's your choice, but it definitely
>is a conscious choice since all the distributions I know of install
>KDE or GNOME by default.
>
>> When you open
>>a file of an unknown type, Windows associates that file with
>>the application you choose. There is no way to avoid associa-
>>tions in Windows without jumping through a lot of hoops. I
You don't have to jump through any hoops, just remove the file type from the
file types options in the exploder window.
>>haven't even seen associations in Unix.
In Solaris (CDE) they are called "actions" and you can "associate" types.
In CDE files are actually "objects" that have attributes which specify what to
do with the file (or object).
>
>You haven't looked very hard. In KDE, files are automatically opened
>with the correct program. You can right click and modify the types
>if you like. I believe GNOME has the same kind of functionality.
>
>There is no such functionality in the command shell -- again, I
>suspect that this is because no one cares.
True, who cares. As long as my desktop GUI takes care of it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Subject: Re: The Linux Experience
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:28:51 GMT
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:16:21 GMT, Jake Taense <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "What was I supposed to do?" she asked.
Um, read the documentation? You yourself said that she was using RH 6.2.
The xfs that comes with RH 6.2 supports TrueType fonts out of the box.
Where did I need to go to find this out? /usr/doc/XFree86-xfs-3.3.6.
I'll assume the end user is capable of reading text files written in the
English language, ok? Oh yes, and if the user had bothered to look at
any LDP site, they would have noticed the "font deuglification" howto.
Here's the relevant page:
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU/truetype.html
: "Would I have been more successful if I had just completely upgraded to
: Xfree86 4.0.1?"
:
: "Good Lord, no."
:
: Xfree86 has the wonderful role of being the worst group I've ever seen for
: writing documentation that is completely useless to the world at large. I'm a
: technical guy, and my upgrade to 4.0.1 was problematic to say the least. I
: succeeded, but only after much exasperation.
Really? My experience with XFree 4.0.1 was the exact opposite. I grabbed
the XFree86 4.0.1 SRPM from Rawhide, and rebuilt it. After that, I
attempted to just rpm -Uvh the resulting RPMs, only to be told that I
needed to upgrade a few other packages, such as xinitrc, modutils, and
initscripts. I fetched those from Rawhide, rebuilt and installed. Then
I installed XF 4.0.1 and ran "xf86cfg", seconds later, I had a working
XFree86 4.0.1 installation. That was on my notebook, a Mitsubishi Amity
CN (Neomagic chipset). I admit it was slightly more involved on my
desktop machine (I had to fetch two RPMs from the NVidia web site),
to get the extra support for my GeForce2, but it worked without a hitch.
So, in essence, we're supposed to all abandon Linux, just because some
knuckleheads out there can't read? Yeah, ok.
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:24:39 -0700
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> But Microsoft has (illegally) prevented them from having
> >> a wider market.
> >
> >Document please? Again that sterling Devlin credibility is put to the
test :-)
>
> http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm
> http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f4400/4469.htm
How about this?
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/exhibits/jun99/2758/sld001.asp
Chart from DataQuest showing that even in May 1999, Netscape usage was
60-70% of total ISP subscribers.
More DataQuest figures showing that Netscape's usage has been GROWING.
More Dataquest figures showing an upward trend:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/exhibits/jun99/2762/sld001.asp
More ISP data to back it up:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/exhibits/jun99/2757/sld001.asp
Number of copies of Netscape shipped with computers:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/exhibits/jun99/2489/sld001.asp
Si
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:24:06 -0400
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "Jason Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > I'm not the moron here. Temperature determines CO2 levels that is rich.
>
> Yes Kulkis, how exactly does temperature determine CO2 levels in the
> atmosphere? Thats such an assinine statement it should be fun watching you
> dig a deeper hole trying to explain it.
> Does "magic" somehow figure into your temp. to co2 equation?
higher temperatures promote the growth of CO2 exhaling animals.
Here's an interesting fact...*ALL* human activity produces less
CO2 then that which is produced by termites alone.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:24:31 -0400
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > Tell me....were you an outcast in high school....
>
> Tell me....are you an outcast in high school....
No. But most control-freaks like you guys were losers in high school
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:25:07 -0400
"Joe R." wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Jason Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > I'm not the moron here. Temperature determines CO2 levels that is rich.
> >
> > Yes Kulkis, how exactly does temperature determine CO2 levels in the
> > atmosphere? Thats such an assinine statement it should be fun watching you
> > dig a deeper hole trying to explain it.
> > Does "magic" somehow figure into your temp. to co2 equation?
> >
> >
> >
>
> Actually, temperature _does_ have an impact on CO2 levels.
>
> Within normal limits, higher temperatures tend to increase plant growth.
> That means more CO2 is tied up in the plant.
It has an even BIGGER impact on animal growth and reproduction.
>
> Of course, that's only one of several thousand things that affect CO2
> levels, though.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:26:13 -0400
Jason Bowen wrote:
>
> "Joe R." wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Jason Bowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > I'm not the moron here. Temperature determines CO2 levels that is rich.
> > >
> > > Yes Kulkis, how exactly does temperature determine CO2 levels in the
> > > atmosphere? Thats such an assinine statement it should be fun watching you
> > > dig a deeper hole trying to explain it.
> > > Does "magic" somehow figure into your temp. to co2 equation?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Actually, temperature _does_ have an impact on CO2 levels.
> >
> > Within normal limits, higher temperatures tend to increase plant growth.
> > That means more CO2 is tied up in the plant.
> >
> > Of course, that's only one of several thousand things that affect CO2
> > levels, though.
>
> You're not helping Aaron though. If more plants grow at a higher
> temperature than they use more CO2. Where is the CO2 coming from????
ANIMALS. Higher temps mean MORE ANIMALS doing more things, reproducing
more, etc.
> Lets increase the average daytime temperature to 110F and then again
> tell me about the plants. I'd watch most everthing around here wither.
> Plants thrive because of a variety of factors. You can have a lush
> forest in a cool place and rising temperatures there would kill th
> forest off.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
their behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.windows98
Subject: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:11:48 +0800
So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
E.g. as I type this in I am doing a save-file every few lines, to lose
less incase 'freeze, 3 finger salute' occurs.
I mean isn't this supposed to be the legacy system that dominates the
world's computers? How could they not have conquered this freeze problem?
I mean I hear it is the common experience of all users, not just of those
who've added extra wacky software.
--
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Tel:+886-4-5854780; starting in year 2001: +886-4-25854780
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