Linux-Advocacy Digest #186, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 09:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Bloody Viking)
Re: linux is dieing (Bloody Viking)
Re: Peformance Test ("David Brown")
Re: Uptimes by OS, for the Hot 100. (Bloody Viking)
Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows? (Tim)
Re: Interesting article (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The Windows guy. (mlw)
Re: The Windows guy. (mlw)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE Whiners (Ian Pulsford)
Re: KDE Whiners (Tim Hanson)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Ian Pulsford)
Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Chad Myers")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:14:16 GMT
Flacco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: ...and store catalogs (radio shack is big on this). And signing receipts on
: those digital pads so they can digitize your signature.
There is no reason they need the autograph when you have the recipt for a
return. Radio Shack is one of the worst for the info gathering.
: ...and are very reluctant to *give* the rebate for that matter. I've never
: received my rebate for a 3Com/USR Courier modem. Like the vast majority of
: people, I've given up on ever seeing it, but I've learned my lesson: I
: never consider the rebate amount on anything when I make a purchasing
: decision.
Always a scam. Notice how prices advertised are taking into account that damn
rebate? I never attempted to mail in for a rebate.
: > : Caller ID is good for this.
: Answering machine.
You'll NEVER be able to get a call from me with that item. I do not play phone
tag.
: I moved recently, and got a new phone number. The loser who had this number
: before me must have had some serious credit problems, because I get
: collections calls for someone named "Tracy" daily.
Those scum have the same wardialer as telemarketers. Use a fax to killfile
your new number that the loser had. Or align your Linux box to receive faxes.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:25:17 GMT
Henry_Barta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I don't have a UPS on this. If the battery in the laptop were
: any good, I wouldn't need one ;) Neither would I call ComEd
: reliable, but they've been good for weeks now.
Yeah, but wait for summer. Anyways, it could be worse. You could be in
California with its Third World style problems from the lame laws.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Peformance Test
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:29:54 +0100
"Low on memory" is Windows way of telling you something is wrong. It is a
generic error message that MS thought might look better than "Windows has
hit some sort of arbitrary limitation" - it might make people blame the
hardware rather than the software. Win311 has far more of these arbitrary
limitations than Win32 versions. Win9x still has most of them, but the
limits are raised much higher. NT and w2k have removed most of these
boundaries. Typical problems include running out of space on the three
resource heaps, or even running out of DOS conventional memory !!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<9694u8$9c4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>Well... This is mostly a joke. I doubt W2k will even RUN on a 486-50
>>with 32M. If you get it running, I doubt it'd have the leftover memory
>>necessary to run Windows Explorer to look for Exchange in the first
>>place.
>
>However, I *was* a bit shocked when my 48M laptop just gave me an
>"extremely low on memory. Not enough memory to convert all icons"
requester.
>What shocked me was that this happened under Windows 3.1 (don't ask if
>you don't want to hear a very sad tale of trying to get Win98 to work
>for me! :). Come on.....
>
>Bernie
>--
>Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's
> inclination for injustice makes democracy necessary
>Reinhold Niebuhr
>American theologian, 1892-1971
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Uptimes by OS, for the Hot 100.
Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:34:53 GMT
sfcybear ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: For the price of Solaris and the hardware it should be. That is the
: problem with W2K and NT, It costs a lot and is not as stable as a
: give-away OS! The combination of Linux and Solaris is a good match. A
That's the irony. A freeware OS outperforming the hugely costly Microsoft
server OSes. Expecting a commercial UNIX to outperform a freeware OS makes
sense. But a freeware OS outperforming a pay OS is a case of "what's wrong
with this picture".
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:45:21 +0000
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Tim wrote:
> >
> > Todd wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > gswork wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be fascinating would it not? Some of it is probably pretty
> > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You misspelled "laughable"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Ever see Microsoft source code??? Most of it, even college sophomores
> > > > > > would be ashamed to sign their name to. No wonder Gates doesn't want
> > > > > > anybody to see it.]
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't really. If it's that bad I'd like to see it!
> > > >
> > > > They can't manage 20 lines without writing "goto" somewhere.
> > >
> > > If you've every programmed assembly language, you would know that goto is
> > > the norm.
> > >
> >
> > Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I belive much of the MS
> > OS/applications
> > were in fact written in assembly code.
>
> And what relevance does this have to source code written in C?
What relevence does C have to source code written in assembly?
MS code has loads of goto's, but is written in assembly where
goto's are the norm. Where's the problem with that?
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:08:31 GMT
J Sloan wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > LOL! Right. It's got NOTHING to do with it being the best tool for
> > > the job...
> >
> > In many cases, it's not, but don't tell a Unix blockhead or a
> > penguinista that!
>
> Chad continues spewing insults and calling names.
>
> Do tell, chad, if linux is just a fad, why are you so threatened?
>
> What motivtates you to haunt the Linux advocacy forums?
>
> jjs
Chad believes in the generic personal attack, rather than the
specific personal attack.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:34:23 -0500
Mike wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has
> all
> > the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows
> does all
> > he needs.
> >
> > He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
> VI. I
> > tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> > "Sweet!"
> >
> > Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> > platform isn't so easy to use.
> >
> > The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> > learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> > wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> > wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
>
> Windows is easier to use. And, I have all those things on my Windows machine
> (vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's any good at
> tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So, then what?
The tools that are common place on UNIX/Linux are not common under Windows,
because most Windows users avoid learning other paradigms.
How often to we see stuff on download.com that attempts to do something on
Windows that is already a mainstay on UNIX?
Having something available and being aware of it, are two very different
things.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:36:08 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
> VI. I
> > tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> > "Sweet!"
>
> Are you not aware that sed is available for NT?
They may be, but most Windows users wouldn't even know where to find these
tools, and "having them" seems easier than "finding them."
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:57:28 GMT
Tom Wilson writes:
>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>>> Thanks for proving my point, donkey raper.
>> Classic invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical argument.
> Somebody stomp on the floor...Tholen's needle is skipping again!
Illogical; I'm simply responding to Kulkis' multiple instances of
invective. Perhaps you should investigate why Kulkis' "needle is
skipping again".
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:58:24 GMT
chrisv writes:
>>> Sheesh, can't you morons trim your posts?
>> Who are the alleged morons here?
> You and Kulkis.
On what basis do you include me? Note that I *have* been trimming
away Kulkis' ridiculous .sig.
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From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:05:06 +1000
Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson wrote:
> > I would have said the European culture of ethnic cleansing.
>
> which is naturally a lot worse than, say, the KKK
>
20th century, unfortunately yes. Probably in previous centuries too.
--
"Dear someone you've never heard of,
how is so-and-so. Blah blah.
Yours truly, some bozo." - Homer Simpson
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:07:57 GMT
Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>
> Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> > It looks to me like simple competition, which _always_ benefits the
> > consumer.
> >
> To me it looks like a dirty trick, and I think to a lot of europeans it
> does. Maybe thats a difference in culture,
Baloney. Reference to alleged gentler European sensibilities is elitism
and hogwash. Note that the KDE team has shown no aversion to crying
like babies. Can I now say that immature whining is a European
charactistic?
> but a company which
> resorts to such measures will not get ANY money from me in the
> future. I will not buy anything at all from a company whose
> advertising sucks, even if it`s a good product.
> Play it fair, all is OK. Play it unfair and feel the consequences.
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media
> We are Borg. Resistance is futile (Borg Gates)
As usual in this little (and I do mean little) skirmish, those who
previously used KDE exclusively will not be spending a penny on Ximian
products in the future, thank you. GNOME users are totally disgusted
by the immaturity of the KDE team and nothing will ever coax them into
dreaming about using KDE, by golly. So what else is new?
--
Leibowitz's Rule:
When hammering a nail, you will never hit your finger if you
hold the hammer with both hands.
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From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:21:48 +1000
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > You said it. Now consider that, for whatever reason (MoBo dead, got a
> > faster one, you name it) I want to replace the motherboard. Now that
> > braindead scheme kicks in, although the OS still runs on the same
> > computer (you don't want to tell me that the MoBo IS the computer)
>
> You can replace the motherboard without re-activation.
>
> > And below you acknowledge that even a different NIC will kick it in.
>
> No I don't. You can replace components, even the motherboard without
> reactivating. You just can't replace *ALL* your components without
> reactivating.
>
So I can install Wizzer on a PC chocked full of sound cards and sell a
Wizzer/sound card package to five or so clients per motherboard.
IanP
--
"Dear someone you've never heard of,
how is so-and-so. Blah blah.
Yours truly, some bozo." - Homer Simpson
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From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:56:20 +1000
Adam Warner wrote:
>
> http://www.wirednews.com/news/technology/0,1282,41614,00.html
>
> ---Begin 1st Quote---
> According to Microsoft, right now the current SAP function will play any
> files, but after the company's market share for the Windows Media Player --
> which is also built into Windows -- is sufficiently large, the company will
> turn on SAP and play only secured files.
>
> The system is designed to work behind-the-scenes, so that consumers aren't
> aware of any digital rights management. When the operating system accesses
> media files, noise is added so that if the audio is intercepted, it won't be
> usable. Once the file makes it through the hardware device and passes it to
> the Windows Media Player, the noise is removed and the file plays.
> ---End 1st Quote---
>
> ---Begin 2nd Quote---
> "In order for an encrypted stream to play, Microsoft has to approve the
> driver for your soundcard and sign it," software consultant David E. Weekly
> wrote in an e-mail. "Without a signed driver, the digital rights management
> content won't play. With video digital rights management coming soon
> hereafter, what this really does is give Microsoft the power to determine
> what hardware it will allow to run Windows."
> ---End 2nd Quote---
>
> Regards,
> Adam
I thought it was strange that M$ was against CPRM hard disk lock out
(some crap about OEMs not being able to mass install windoze) and then a
little while ago I read something that suggested that M$ wanted to do in
software what CPRM wants to do in hardware. This confirms it. I see a
war brewing over digital media delivery and it's the consumer who is
going to lose unless Open Source (and 'Open Hardware' possibly for that
matter) becomes the kingpin real soon.
I would like very much to see the rise of an Open Anti-Hollywood. Where
upcoming film and music creators aware of these issues of excessive
media protection (waayyy beyond mere anti-piracy) schemes, choose not to
go with the big boys for production/distribution. Sure it means a pay
cut, but there is a principle at stake here, and a huge reversal of the
sort of freedom that the invention of the printing press ultimately
conferred.
I do not agree with piracy but these sorts of schemes could be just the
thing to change my mind, if only to stick it to the greedy media
companies.
IanP
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:54:17 +0000 (UTC)
Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> I've had an excellent time with my old ThinkPad 390E. ThinkPads in
:> general tend to have 3 button trackpoints, the non-i* ones have no
:> useless Windows keys, the keyboards themselves are large and there's
: Windows keys aren't useless. Thay can be mapped to compose, if you're
: that way inclined, or to some of the function keys that the Sun keyboards
: have, like copy, paste, cut.
I've mapped the right alt for the ever-important "compose" key
(how can one spell na�ve without it? :), but just the notion of
a software corperation's trademark hogging up space on a laptop
keyboard (which, being a laptop, can't be easily replaced)
I find somewhat annoying. Of course, for me the real selling point
was a 3-button trackpad (which runs like a charm for X11 apps),
but the keyboard was just icing on the cake - so to speak.
: If I wasn't a lazy miser, who won't throw away a working keyboard* then
: I'd get one with the extra keys.
: *I still have an 83 key keyboard (somewhere) from an old 8086 RM Nimbus.
The new Sun type 6 keyboards come in USB varieties. I might just have
to fetch one in case my current Pfuca keyboard drops dead someday.
Having actual "cut/copy/paste" keys would be nice.
<snip!>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:53:46 GMT
"Paul Colquhoun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:03:37 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> |
> |"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> |news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> |> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad Myers
> |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |> wrote
> |> on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:09:05 GMT
> |> <5H0i6.30249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> |> >
> |> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> |> >news:96998r$9v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> |> >> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> |> >>
> |> >> >But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
> |> >> >thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
> |> >> >almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
> |> >> >or something like that.
> |> >>
> |> >> If a thousand people were less than one percent of one percent, then the
> |> >> total sample size would have to be larger than 10 million.
> |> >>
> |> >> Nice own goal, Chad :)
> |> >
> |> >You proved my point for me. There are tens of millions of computer
> |> >users, of which only a couple hundred thousand are day-to-day
> |> >Linux users.
> |>
> |> 200,000 / 100,000,000 = 0.002 = .2% = 20% of 1%
> |>
> |> Your math is a little off. However, you are correct (if your figures
> |> are accurate); we "Penguinistas" are below significance level.
> |
> |Yeah, well it was all off the hip. We were all discussing relatively,
> |and then somebody had to start counting the grass leaves.
> |
> |Anyhow, regardless, it's less than one percent and therefore
> |insignificant (niche).
> |
> |> That said -- DOS was once below significance level.
> |
> |Not as relative to the market as a whole. DOS _WAS_ the market,
> |in essence.
> |
> |It would be more like CP/M in the DOS days, in terms of numbers,
> |at least.
>
>
> You do know that CP/M was around *before* DOS, don't you?
Of course, but that's irrelevant. Think about when DOS was around
and how popular it was. Think about how unpopular CP/M was around
that time. That's what I'm talking about.
-Chad
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