Linux-Advocacy Digest #186, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: IBM Goes Gay (Richard Fisher)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (Richard Fisher)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) (Nick
Condon)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Donn Miller)
Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish) (Terry Porter)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("~�~")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Edward Rosten")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:52:44 +1200
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:49:09 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >Ignorance must be bliss in the US, hence the reason why so many
> >groups/nations just want to blow the crap out of the country.
> >
> >Have you ever been outside the US once? maybe you should realise the
world
> >doesn't stop at the shores of the US.
> >
> >Matthew Gardiner
>
> Hey, don't destroy his fantasy that the universe revolves around
> America.
/sarcasm on
I always thought it did
/sarcasm off
Matthew Gardiner
--
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nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
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From: Richard Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:12:57 +0100
I am lost for words!
I can do nothing but laugh.
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From: Richard Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:50:30 +0100
> Hating the english isnt racism, its nationalism.
Don't be stupid! Of course it's racism - what made you think that it isn't?
nationalism is pride in your own nation, not hatred of other nations.
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:19:05 +0100
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:33:59 -0700
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >drsquare wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
> >>
> >> >>>Well, I'm proud to be American.
> >> >>
> >> >>What is their to be proud of.
> >> >
> >> >Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
> >> >
> >> >[1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> >> > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
> >>
> >> What? Are you referring to how you went round driving people out of
> >> their homes, and skinning them alive etc?
> >>
> >> >[2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less
> >> >simultaneously.
> >>
> >> Yeah, you sent a couple of men over to Europe after the Nazis were on
> >> their last legs, and then wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent
> >> women and children in Japan. Now THERE'S something to be proud of.
> >>
> >> >[3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
> >>
> >> Which about 10% of your population benefit from.
> >>
> >> >[4] First man on the moon.
> >>
> >> Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
> >> large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
> >> to death across the world...
> >
> >Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
>
> Because we have the surplus food and the Netherlands does not.
> Simple enough, I would think. :-)
>
The Dutch would have a surplus of food if they weren't so freakin'
fascinated with using every square inch of farmland to grow tulips!
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:25:27 +0100
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:57:39 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> >[4] First man on the moon.
> >>
> >> Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
> >> large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
> >> to death across the world...
> >>
> >
> >scooter, that starving is going on in your Euro backyard, along with
> >some genocide but you don't seem too bothered by it. You also never seemed
> >too bothered that your eastern euro brothers have lived for decades under
> >brutal regimes while you lavished in a western europe lifestyle.
> >
> >Brutality and genocide in your own neighborhood and you never once tried
> >to do a damn thing about it.
>
> Actually, we have.
You have? So why don't you tell me about it? What are the Dutch
doing about the current Baltic genocide/starvation situation?
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:06:58 +1200
> > Why do you pick out China? Maybe during the cold war, the Soviet Union
> > (including the eastern block), China, Vietnam, North Korea, with a
combined
> > standing army of 22million, should have wiped the US off the map. Europe
> > would be happy, no more uncultured yanks telling them what to do.
> > Britainnia regaining her position in the SUN once again. Canada happy
they
> > finally have a quiet neighbour. Cuba continuing to produce cigars.
> > Generally speaking, the world moving on like normal.
>
> Well, yes, except Europe would likely be wiped off of the map too. Long
> before the US.
>
> Cuba is free to produce cigars right now. We pretty much leave Canada
> alone as far as I know.
>
> Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
> more cultured than the Americans.
What about black pudding? spotted dick? fish'n chips? the absolute pinnacle
of British Culture ;)
> > > I'll never see it that way, because I'm happy to be who
> > > I am. I'm a proud Yank, and I'll die a proud Yank. On
> > > top of that, I'm a Son of the American Revolution (SAR),
> > > so this country's roots flows in my veins, my friend.
> >
> > Son of the American Revolution (SAR), <== Whining Yanks donot count. New
> > Zealand, settled, and treaty of Waitangi signed in 1880's, made a
dominion
> > in the 1920's. So, for 40 years, we were a colony, and then we gained
our
> > independence from mother England. Funny, when America gained her
> > independence by force, they were one of the last countries to ban
slavery,
> > even though it was supposedly founded on "freedom" and "equality".
>
> So Kiwis didn't even have the balls to stage a revolution? *snicker*
>
> Hey at least we sent a few thousands of those bastards back in coffins
> (they did the same to us).
Na, we just told them to piss-off, so they left ;)
> > Yes, proud, but not ignorant of other countries. Too many times I have
see
> > yanks living a life that is oblivious to the world around them. For
> > example, in High school (ages 13-17 years old) we learnt about the
following
> > in History:
> >
> > - Treaty of Waitangi
> > - James I, Charles I, II, III, Elizabeth I and Oliver Cromwell
> > - Russian Revolution
> > - Cold War
> > - Chinese revolution and the long march
> > - Vietnam
> > - American Revolution
> > - Germany: Bismark and the creation of the modern german state from the
> > Prussian states.
> > - First World War
> > - Second World War
> > - Korean War
> > - European Union
> > - The Maori Wars
> > - The United Nations
> > - NATO and the Warsaw Pact
> >
> > The emphasis in the European/Australian/New Zealand education system is
> > approach history as a study of the world, instead of the US doctrine of
> > "learn about US, and thats it". I have talked to so many Americans, and
I
> > can' t personally believe how US centric the education system in the US
is.
>
> The US education system is US-centric? I disagree.
>
> US culture is, but the reason it's US-centric has to do mostly with the
> fact that our education system isn't really doing it's job.
The education system is pretty much the representation of society.
Unfortunately, there hasn't been an Education Minister yet to grab it, the
education portfolio, by the balls, and give it a dam good shake removing
crap from between the cracks.
> > The total ignorance of issues outside the US sphere is amazing. Also,
the US
> > needs to understand that it, like other countries, they are mearly a
clog in
> > the engine of the world. They are no better or worse than any other
country.
> > Instead of ignoring the world, or trying to sway people to the US's
> > particular doctrine, they should instead work WITH countries to bring
about
> > change.
> >
> > This ignorance has can be seen in two instances:
> >
> > 1. Euro-Disney: Assumed that Europeans did things exactly like Yanks,
which
> > they don't. Europeans don't stay over night at a theme parks. They
don't
> > buy crap from food stalls in the park, they bring packed lunchs called,
wait
> > for it, picnic's. They don't go for all this gaudy crap that you see
yanks
> > buy. Hence, Euro-Disneys Failure was a result of ignorance.
>
> What the hell are you talking about?? Euro-disney is the result of a
> corporation, not the US government. Most Americans don't give a damn
> about Euro-disney... it's Disney's responsibility (and France's). I
> thought it was pretty funny actually to see Michael Eisner being pelted
> with tomatoes onstage (did anyone else see that?).
>
> Crass corporate commercialism is something I'm concerned about too.
I wasn't talking about the government. I was talking about how this
"US-Centric" attitude can spread into business and result in failures such
as the above senario. There was quite a good CNN report, Lou Dobbsons:
Money Line, on why it failed. ATT is failing to live up to the promise hyped
by the CEO. Heres a solution, FUCKING GLOBALISE! (sorry about the language)
spread accross Europe, Asia, Australia, New Zealand, the Pacific, South
America, expand, buy out already established telco's, start up new offices.
One doesn't have to be a bloody genius to work out how to create new revenue
streams.
> > 2. Planet Hollywood: Failed in New Zealand and Australia, why? nobody is
> > going to pay $5 for a drink. Aussies and kiwi's are tight asses, they
don't
> > like to be ripped off, they want to get value for money. Yes, it is all
> > very well coning in yanks, which is realitively easy, ask any market
seller
> > in fiji who are the easiest to con, but kiwi's and Aussies don't fall
for
> > it. Hence, Planet Hollywood failed.
>
> Again Planet Hollywood is a corporation, not the US government. And PH
> is doing bad over here too for the same reason IIRC.
Points taken on board. Read above reply.
> > Don't be ashamed of where you come from, but remember, don't be
ignorant.
> > The worst thing is to be a partiotic, ignorant slob.
>
> Yes, or a US-basher with a serious inferiority complex.
Unfortunately, the US gets a bad rap, kinda like how the french are accused
of being arrogant. Bill Clinton probably did the best move by not being an
interfering twitt. Now GWB is in, and stirring shit. God help us, god help
us all!
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: 13 Jun 2001 12:21:43 GMT
Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote:
>What about black pudding? spotted dick? fish'n chips? the absolute
>pinnacle of British Culture ;)
Don't mock. :-)
In cod we trust
Jun 7th 2001 | NEW YORK
>From The Economist on-line edition
A British import wins surprising favour
IN NEW YORK, a city where respectable people are driven to bribing waiters
in the vain hope of getting a table at restaurants like Nobu, stodgy
British grub should have no place. Yet fish and chips, that highlight (some
say) of British cuisine, is the latest fashion from across the Atlantic to
sweep into New York.
<cont'd at>
http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=646753
--
Nick
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: 13 Jun 2001 07:20:06 -0500
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Java and Perl are for wannabe programmers who do business forms and web pages.
> C and C++, and yes, even assembly, are tools of software engineers that produce
> product. Product which must compete with other product. People forget, software
> is not developed in a vacuum, it has competition. If it isn't as fast or as
> efficient as it can be, someone else will come along and take your customers.
>
> Would you bet your company, writing its product in Java, and hope that someone
> does not come along and write a hard core native product in C or C++ and blow
> you out of the water?
So, what you're trying to say is that C is better than Java and Perl, but worse
than C++?
Java < C < C++
As far as java and Perl go, they both have their place. First of all,
Perl is a scripting language, so it depends on what your language is
being used for. If your main goal is to write a large software
projcet that is going to get moved around to a bunch of differet
platforms, then Java is actually useful. Perl is probably best used
for projects that involved manipulation of text files. Also, Perl has
many modules available, so it's good if you're looking for a modular
scripting language. Perl is overkill for start-up scripts. Also,
Perl's concept of O-O looks really convulted and wacky to me, but it's
still great as a modular scripting language where you need to
manipulate a numer of text files.
Each language was invented for a particular purpose, and each fulfill
different roles. If you can tell us a way to manipulate large text
files without using Perl and it's powerful RegEx capabilities, please
feel free to do so. I don't see how you can use C to do that. It's
possible, but maybe you can incorporate libPerl into your C programs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 13 Jun 2001 12:25:09 GMT
Hahaha, so my catchy subject caught your eye ?
Well sit back, relax and lets have some fun!
You may remember that I said I was going to try Debian about
a month or so ago ?
Now its up and running, and while the experience is still fresh
I'm putting finger to key, and warming up the rant-mobile!
Firstly, in the past few days I've tried Redhat7.2 from a Magazine
cover and I'm dissapointed.
If this is typical of RH these days then Flatty has a point!
RH7.2 bombed on the gui setup, not finding the same video card that
RH4.2 did in 1997!
Then it bombed on the text mode install!
That was enough, if it won't get past this first stage, what
other fresh hell awaits me ?
I tried Turbo Linux, and that bombed too, resulting in a non
install.
Egads, commercial variants have a very Microsoft feel to them
these days, woe is me :(
Finally I tried Debian 2.2r2 and what a fresh breath of air it was,
more complex, than Mandrake, and I had to re install it 3 times, but
2 of them were my fault, oh alright 2.5 and thats my final offer.
Now I have installed Debian before, but only CLI and on old slow
low ram boxes, and I havent had any trouble, in fact I d/l the base
floppies from debian and used that, never adding all the other
packages.
This time was diferent and here's what I did (more or less)
1/ boot of cd#1 (2 cd set)
2/ Assign hard disk partitions, I'm using the existing partitions
of which there are 8.
3/ Assign host name
4/ Assign domain name
5/ Assign ipnumber
6/ Assign gateway ipnumber
7/ Assign dns ip numbers
8/ base install
9/ Reboot
10/ Select install type simple or advanced
11/ Select packages ie 'C development', 'Tex', there are only about
ten boxes to check here.
12/ Swap CD's when asked
13/ Assign root password
14/ Assign first user name and password
Done!
Approx 14 steps and one reboot, after all, we are installing
the OS here!
Then I told Debian to install some packages not installed
in the 'simple' option. One was 'Xchat' my IRC client, and here's
the log of the entire process :)
...............................................................
My CLI Command :- gronk:/home/tp# apt-get install xchat
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
python-base xchat-common
The following NEW packages will be installed:
python-base xchat xchat-common
0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 36 not upgraded.
Need to get 1374kB of archives. After unpacking 4403kB will be used.
( I just press enter here)
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main python-base
1.5.2-10potato11 [824kB]
Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main xchat
1.4.3-0.1[383kB]
Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main xchat-common
1.4.3-0.1 [167kB]
Fetched 1374kB in 7m26s (3079B/s)
selecting previously deselected package python-base.
(Reading database ... 28737 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking python-base (from .../python-base_1.5.2-10potato11_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package xchat-common.
Unpacking xchat-common
(from .../xchat-common_1.4.3-0.1_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package xchat.
Unpacking xchat (from .../xchat_1.4.3-0.1_i386.deb) ...
Setting up python-base (1.5.2-10potato11) ...
Setting up xchat-common (1.4.3-0.1) ...
Setting up xchat (1.4.3-0.1) ...
gronk:/home/tp#
..................................................................
Is this simple or what ???????
As you can see, to install Xchat I needed to type only *1* line,
and press enter twice :-
gronk:/home/tp# apt-get install xchat
and
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
And Debian fetched the app from its main site, plus the python base
and installed it, *AND* added it to the *IceWm menu*, all automatically!
Plus while it was doing it, I was reading news groups, the pc wasnt
affected at all.
The price for this innovative operating system ?
Was it $2850 (gst inc) for the OS plus 5 Client Access?
(source APC magazine June 2001, Harris Technology, for Win2k
Small Business Server)
But wait, send no money ......
Was it $607 for the OS only ?
(same source Win2k "Professional")
But wait, theres still more .....
I get "remote assistant" (Win2k Proffesional ONLY) and I can have
as many clients as I like :)
So how much did I pay ??
$16,and that included 3 CD's and the 176 page book
(APC "Advanced Linux Pocketbook")
Debian I *love* you!
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:24:01 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
> Bacause every BASIC other than BBC basic is a steaming pile of
> ***********.
BBC BASIC is a steaming pile too. HTH!
Donal.
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Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:29:41 GMT
"Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:OXDV6.1682$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> > Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> > here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> > but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
> > the American freedom there?
>
> It is preposterous, and such laws are a result
> of the liberal mindset. That law was as recent
> as the 70's, IIRC. The reason why laws like
> that one get put into place is because of
> a lack of patriotism, and pride. People just
> apathetically allow these idiotic politicians
> to do their own bidding, without saying a damn
> word.
How many democratic presidents were there in the 70's?
I've never heard such ass-backwards logic in my life.
You MUST be a republican. Only people AFRAID of freedom inact such laws.
What about pot for medical purposes? Nope, can't have that. Somebody might
actually feel good while their Glaucoma is relieved. You think that it is a
liberal view that keeps this illegal?
Do al little research and take a history course, please. It sounds as if you
watch cable Fox and MSNBC wayyyy toooo much.
> > So while I do have a certain amount of pride in this country, part of me
> > is pissed off as hell about the apathy people display when they tout the
> > "freedom" of America when that's not entirely the case.
>
> That is EXACTLY the kind of viewpoint
> that I wish more people had.
>
> People in this country are apathetic, because
> that is how the liberals want them to be.
People are apathetic in this country because they are stupid and placted,
just as the conservatives want them to be.You think the expression about
women ..
"keep them barefoot and pregnant" is a liberal point of view?
Hell no. Yet it is this same logic that dictates conservative policy.
"keep them placted and busy while we raid the kitchen and up our profits"
You think conservatives want people to become educated?
Look at their education bills. They don't want you to have a clue about the
true history of this country. Because if you did, you'd realize what true
scoundrels they are. You sound as if you are their poster boy.
You need to hit the books pal, and open your mind.
> Liberals in this country want you to think
> that you cannot make it without them. They
> want people to think that more govt. == more
> freedom. The reason for this is simple: they
> want job security, and they want control,
> because that leads to... you guessed it, more
> money in their pockets. After all, it's our
> money... why the hell should we have it?
See my reasons for American apathy above.
You are a prime example.
> For example, have you noticed that Daschle and
> Gephart have STILL been going on and on about
> "Global Warming"? Have you heard that it was
> discovered that the temperature measurements
> around the globe were highly flawed when that
> "conclusion" was reached?
Oh yeah. There is no such thing as global warming.
No such thing as unsafe working conditions.
No such thing <insert endless list of facts that conservatives deny here>
> It turns out that the trawlers and ships that
> were taking the readings were taking them from
> the rear of the crafts... well, the water gets
> warmed from the engines back there.
Oh for the love of Mike. What a crock of sh ...
> I'll post a URL to the story if I can find
> it again. Kinda makes you think.
Yeah, makes me think you believe everything you read if it fits your narrow
mindset.
> You should be pissed off... I'm just as pissed
> off as you are about such nonsense... you're
> much more patriotic than you give yourself
> credit for. :-)
Whenever I hear the word 'patriot' I know I'm in a conversation with brain
washed conservative.
How's this for compassion ....
The Bush tax cut package saved his cabinet members over 88 billion dollars
in taxes.
What did it save you? Are you getting a tax rebate? Did you know that almost
30% of middle class families aren't? Because they didn't qualify by making
more than $6000 of TAXABLE income. Do you know what taxable income is? Where
is that line on an income tax form? Take a look at the % of those folks who
had taxable income of between $5500 and $5999. You'd be amazed. I wasn't.
I've known what 'compassionate conservatism' meant from day one. It's a
buzzword designed to work on folks who hold just your view of the world. And
it just worked, just barely. Thanks to a supreme court that by 5 to 4 holds
just the same basic view as you. That will hopefully change, soon enough.
And yes, I vote every year.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:30:39 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nick Condon"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote:
>
>>What about black pudding? spotted dick? fish'n chips? the absolute
>>pinnacle of British Culture ;)
>
> Don't mock. :-)
>
What about Balti and Chicken Tikka? All examples od food either created
in the UK (Birmingham, in the case of balti) or in british colonies
abroad (Chicken Tikka).
Acutally much of the so called indian food that we eat over here is
British food in that it is found nowhere else in the world (certainly
_not_ in india, that's for sure).
-Ed
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