Linux-Advocacy Digest #700, Volume #29 Tue, 17 Oct 00 05:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Astroturfing (.)
Re: New Linux Install
Re: Why does Linux have to be such a pain to install? - A speech
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Loren Petrich)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (=?Windows-1252?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?=)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Re: Suggestions for Linux (2:1)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Loren
Petrich)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Re: Claire Lynn (Chris Sherlock)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Re: Linus interview (Nick Condon)
Re: Astroturfing
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 17 Oct 2000 08:12:41 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16 Oct 2000 16:35:11 -0500,
> Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:8sd7b3$1vd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> In article <39e7dbae$0$42822$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Conversely, I've never met a 3rd year computer engineering student
>>> who had
>>> > > a hope in the world of making more money than a 17 year old sysadmin
>>> in
>>> > boston.
>>> >
>>> > amazingly, I concur with abracadabra on this one.
>>> >
>>>
>>> In your wet dreams, Dristan.
>>>
>>
>>wow - truth hurts? Dristan - that was almost funny...
>>
> Like we've never seen this before. A drop out attempting to diminish
> the value of a good education because he couldn't make the grade
> himself. No different from the fact he attempts to diminish Unix
> because he can't handle actually learning it.
> Why don't you provide some data to back up your claim, Alex. Show me
> some stats to show the average MCSE with no college education at all
> makes more than the average Purdue Engineering graduate. For that
> matter, simply show the average MSCE makes more than the average EE.
I said "sysadmin", moron, not "MCSE". Sysadmins routinely make between
65 and 95k, and often make over 100. And they need *never* have been
to college.
And I didnt say "engineering graduate", you idiot, I said "3rd year
computer engineering student".
Now, I know that this is the case, because I have many computer
engineering student friends.
> The only reason MSCE's have any decent salary data at all is because
> many of them actually do have college degrees.
I see you dont work in the field.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: New Linux Install
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:25:34 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:31:10 +0600, kosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:20:30 GMT, Matthew Gardiner
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>I installed mandrake using a 9.4GB HDD (around 1200Cylinders) and the
>>>rest swap, I did not experience any problems, even when I used reiserfs
>>>for the boot partition.
>>
>> Be wary. Mandrake likes to rotate logs on a daily basis. Over time this
>> can create a lot of internal fragmentation as you end up with far too
>> many really small files in /var/log taking up more space than you might
>> expect them too.
>>
>>
>
>
>Actually lots of really small files is something reiserfs deals with very
>well. Reiserfs also does not seem to really suffer from fragmentation
That may be true. However, the problem still occurs. It's really
more of a general management issue and internal fragmentation
problem than a problem inherent to any filesystem.
It's just something that seems to have slipped by QA.
While it's no big deal to manage manually, one really shouldn't
be troubled by that sort of thing under Unix.
>problems. Most advanced filesystems deal with fragmentation pretty well
>now.
...I was refering to a different sort of fragmentation.
--
"When anyone says `theoretically,' they really mean `not really.'"
-- David Parnas
Imitation is the sincerest form of television.
-- Fred Allen
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre!
[It is magnificent, but it is not war]
-- Pierre Bosquet, witnessing the charge of the Light Brigade
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why does Linux have to be such a pain to install? - A speech
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:32:50 -0000
On 17 Oct 2000 00:02:40 GMT, JoeX1029 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Why does everybody *inist* on trying to use Linux for the common taks of a
>desktop. Do you take your kids to school in the Ferrari?? Linux is not and
>should not be a desktop system, it's a server/dev/wrkstatn system. Moreover,
>why in the hell are you coping the OS that you switched to Linux because of?
Why should computing reliability be restricted to the glass room?
[deletia]
Everything else is just applications support. (which Linux has)
--
There is a Massachusetts law requiring all dogs to have their hind legs
tied during the month of April.
While there's life, there's hope.
-- Publius Terentius Afer (Terence)
The notion of a "record" is an obsolete remnant of the days of the 80-column
card.
-- Dennis M. Ritchie
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:33:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:12:03 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I think that by your logic (misguided belief that anything in LIFE is
> >> "fair") you should be surrendering your possessions to the state. You
> >> would hate to "rich" while there are so many "suffering".
> > Cry me a river.
> Since that is your favorite response (speaks volumes for you I gotta
> say) I herby dub thee : Loren "cry me a river" Petrich..
Don't you like seeing your favorite slogan thrown at you?
> >> You think the government should be penalizing those who succeed. What
> >> have you done for the "poor". I'm just dying to know.
> > Made software available for free, including its source code.
> What need does someone who is poor have with software??
[...]
It can help one move up in the world. Studying source code can be
*very* helpful in finding out how some software was written. Although I
must say that I've not done *nearly* as much as (say) Linus Torvalds
has.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:35:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> still doesn't make iut the responsibility of the other man to
> compensate the other for his misfortune. Just why are you feeling so
> guilty ??
I wonder if Mr.(?) Static66 would enjoy seeing others treat his
family like losers who deserve nothing, as per his ideology.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:35:39 -0000
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:10:50 GMT, Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Darin Johnson wrote:
>
>> Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > In fact, Gallup has shown that most Americans are against the DoJ
>> > position by an overwhelming majority. Reference:
>>
>> Well, if US law was based on majority rule, you might have a point.
>
>It is. This is a democracy. Read the Constitution.
No, it's a republic: improve your reading skills.
[deletia]
The mere existence of a constitution, a rather core set of
ground rules, rather refutes the notion that such a
government is intended to ultimately be mob rule.
--
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From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:37:23 +0200
"D'Arcy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
5HMG5.6530$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> > Can some developers join in ? :)
>
> Eh hem. Some WINDOWS developers - I am a developer who has just been
Sorry, my bad, some *Windows* developers. :)
> lucky enough to not have to ever write Windows code.
Good for you. My proposition still stands, advocacy aside:
"Can somebody name those apps and the undocumented functions they use. Then
we should proceed to see if those still work on WinME/2K without patching or
time machine retroactive-compiling."
> ..darcy
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:41:30 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:15:50 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:47:56 GMT...
>...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Pretty good don't cut it.
>>
>> It sucks and is even more bloated than MSOffice.
>
>Define "it sucks". Define "bloated".
>
>(I don't use office suites at all, BTW, I don't cultivate any
>irrational sympathies towards any such product.)
I object to the very notion of an office suite. End users should
be free to pick and choose the components they wish to use. Such
components should interoperate freely.
This is the promise of things like OLE that goes unfullfilled.
[deletia]
--
Economists are still trying to figure out why the girls with the least
principle draw the most interest.
How much does she love you? Less than you'll ever know.
birth, n:
The first and direst of all disasters.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:37:07 +0100
> P.S. Sorry I don't have M$-Office. It's way out of my budget ;-)
I only have it as a bundled copy from way back.
Fun killing it, tho:-)
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:45:26 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:24:04 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:46:43 GMT...
>...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the Linux world that will 100 percent
>> emulate MSOffice. Nothing at all.
Such comments are just weak excuses to be vague.
>
>The inevitable question is: Why would anyone in their right mind even
>want to do that?
If Product X doesn't float your boat, you need to actually be able
to express what about that product annoys your or fails to meet your
needs if you expect anyone to take you seriously when you start
moaning "it sux".
Besides, genuine criticism can be used to design improvements and
judge relative merits in some fashion resembling objective.
--
You have literary talent that you should take pains to develop.
Freedom of the press is for those who happen to own one.
A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one end and no
responsibility at the other.
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From: Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:46:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:16:42 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Richardson
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I am a little confused as to what your response has to do wrt Mr "Earth in
> >> the Balance, but zinc mining profits in my checkbook balance" Gore.
Which makes me wonder how Mr. Richardson would react if the
Religious Right was to use his beloved Republican Party to take over --
and send him to some Arctic prison camp as an enemy of Christianity.
> > Typical yellow-dog Republicanism. Compared to Gore's zinc mine,
> >Bush's Texas air is far worse.
> Yea in Loren's mind the evil repuplicans are all rich,polluting money
> grubbing bastards.
If the shoe fits... I suggest that you stop whining like a little
kid whose favorite toy just got taken away.
> But.. when gore meets the above criteria he is the lesser evil.
Gore isn't quite as bad as Bush, it must be said.
The only candidate I have any real taste for is Ralph Nader; I'm
surprised that all the right-wingers are not praising him for his
(presumably) exemplary work ethic.
However, concern about wasting my vote may lead me to vote for Gore.
In fairness, Gore did show a lot of initiative by getting the
Internet funded in its early years; it was privatized only after it
became too big to become yet another proprietary online service (what
the Heroes of Capitalist Labor had given us).
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:49:57 -0000
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:35:22 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> still doesn't make iut the responsibility of the other man to
>> compensate the other for his misfortune. Just why are you feeling so
>> guilty ??
>
> I wonder if Mr.(?) Static66 would enjoy seeing others treat his
>family like losers who deserve nothing, as per his ideology.
Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that people hardly fare
any better when subjected to the whims of a paternal welfare state.
The mere existence of social welfare programs don't necessarily
make them effective or any better at preserving human dignity than
having no "safety net" at all.
Token gestures and blindly throwing money at social ills are pointless.
--
Feminists just want the human race to be a tie.
Hear about the young Chinese woman who just won the lottery?
One fortunate cookie...
Now it's time to say goodbye
To all our company...
M-I-C (see you next week!)
K-E-Y (Why? Because we LIKE you!)
M-O-U-S-E.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:51:14 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:59:11 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>El vie, 13 oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
>>I have sent your post to that person and thank you, but my point is
>>this.
>>
>>"You" know how to do this stuff.
>
>Now so do you.
>
>>He, and just about every other newbie who tries Linux does not. Notice
>>his comment about this topic being rehashed a lot? That's because it
>>is NOT easy compared to Windows.
>
>Try dejanews.com.
>
>>Under Windows with Norton or BlackIce or ZoneAlarm, this is trivial,
>>and he doesn't have to worry about screwing up and leaving himself
>>open to attack because of his ignorance of the subject. It's all be
>>taken care of by the experts although he is free to modify any
>>parameter he wishes freely.
>
>Same here. All the software is there. All you need is the manual. The manual is
Although, this person's premise is wrong to begin with.
The shiny happy tools are there for Linux as well.
[deletia]
--
I'm glad we don't have to play in the shade.
-- Golfer Bobby Jones on being told that it was 105 degrees
in the shade.
BASIC is to computer programming as QWERTY is to typing.
-- Seymour Papert
Bowie's Theorem:
If an experiment works, you must be using the wrong equipment.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:54:21 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:03:58 -0400, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No.You're SOL. Word's revision feature is one of the reasons writers use it,
>and indeed, comes in very handy for what you allude to. It's a dream for
>multiple-writer collaboration.
It also tends to be a big fat security hole.
Like many things in Windows, it's dangerous if put in the
hands of people who choose not to have any understanding
of what they are doing.
[deletia]
--
You will gain money by an illegal action.
If I were to walk on water, the press would say I'm only doing it
because I can't swim.
-- Bob Stanfield
RHAPSODY in Glue!
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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:55:11 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:59:12 GMT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Whatever.
> >
> >Most of the Linvocates in this group can't advocate their collective
> >ass's out of a paper bag. They may be technically astute, but their
> >companies lock them away in rubber coding rooms far from the clients
> >because they are so, well, geeky.
>
> This is a generalization.
Not to mention a pointless and stupid crack.
[snip]
> In any event, when's the last time you saw a Model T? I do
> see some on a rare occasion tootling around the city, here.
> (Or maybe they're model A's; I'm not up on old cars, but
> they are distinctive; most of the boxes on wheels running
> around look about as exciting as mouldy cheese.)
>
> Linux may be a Model T, but it also is a Mack Truck.
> Metaphorically speaking, of course. I'm not sure what
> Windows is; probably a cross between a Trabant and a
> Ford Econoline van with custom airbrushing. :-) Looks
> real pretty, anyway.
OK, now that you've mentioned Model T's I feel that I have to add
something. Those things could do just about anything! You could repair
them with fencing wire in a pinch. They were voted "Car of the Century"
at one point (I'll see if I can find a link). OK, so the Model T wasn't
the world's most comfortable car in the world to drive, but by crikey it
was indestructible!
I tend to see Windows as the Leyland P 76, crap but was meant to be
awesome.
Chris
> IMO, of course.
>
> There's also another side to this debate. There's gold in them
> thar machines -- and other such poisonous compounds. Discarding
> them in a landfill is very environmentally unsound, and manufacturing
> them requires tons (literally) of water, and a few carcinogenic
> substances (LEDs in particular are gallium arsenide, if I'm not
> mistaken; arsenic isn't exactly the friendliest of substances).
>
> Having to "refresh" our equipment every few years makes me wonder
> how environmentally damaging Microsoft's upgrades are.
> Of course, such damage may be trifling compared to such things
> as massive oil spills in the Arctic, or burning oil fields in
> Kuwait, or chemical disasters such as Bhopal, or nuclear ones
> such as Chernobyl.
>
> But I do wonder.
>
> To be fair, one has to counterbalance this with the power
> requirements of older machinery. It would be unreasonable
> to keep ENIAC running nowadays, even with transistorized tube
> replacements, actively doing problems on, as I recall,
> artillery firing, when such could probably be more easily done
> on a HP-48 programmable calculator. Of course, this is an
> extreme example, but I did see a VAX at one point going for
> $1,000 or so, and I probably would have had to rewire my home
> for 230V threephase just to run it and use 10 times the power
> a comparable $1,000 PC would cost (the PC would be faster, too).
> Power also pollutes, in most areas of the country -- remember the
> haze that now permeates (unless they've sued it out of existence,
> or put a scrubber on the smokestack) the Grand Canyon? Upwind power
> plant; I forget the name thereof. Pretty damned visible, I'd think.
>
> >People who like to dissect every word all the time ignoring the
> >context of the statement.
>
> Words are supposed to convey meaning. If I don't see the meaning,
> I start dissecting. Where's my knife....? :-)
>
> >You guys even have to kill filter your own advocates.
>
> I kill file nobody, not even the 'MAKE MONEY FA$$$$$$T' idiots.
> Of course, I don't pay much attention to them, either.
>
> >
> >Yes we have it all here in COLA.
> >
> >It's just like a Circus, only better.
>
> Well, you're easily amused. :-)
>
> >
> >I have to wonder how many are kids either in High School or College.
> >It's quite obvious that some have never seen the inside of a glass
> >house.
>
> I *lived* in one as a kid (an Eichler), and the heating bills
> were murder (according to Mom, and I can't blame her).
>
> So there. :-P :-) (And that was back in the mid-70's. I finished
> high school just before Reagan was elected.)
>
> And yes, I built my own computer (an 1802 which is also sitting
> somewhere in a corner gathering dust). Twice, in fact, if one
> counts the time I totally rewired it to use a mix of TTL and CMOS.
> I had a free summer, back before my college days.... :-) Sigh.
>
> I also have two 1/2" tapes. How I'm going to read them in this DAT
> world, I'm not sure. Oh well; at most, they've got 10 megs.
> I can download that before breakfast. :-)
>
> [rest snipped, though it's not much :-) ]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random stone here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:55:25 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:08:17 -0400, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This IS the problem folks! People are used to MS suite products. The GREAT,
>read GREAT majority of people who actually DO work with computer software
>use Office.
No. People just have to deal with the majority that still
insists on tossing around MS encrypted documents. That is
a far more relevant issue than minor interface issues.
>There are some suites that offer emulation, and limited compatibility. But
>none, read NONE of these products are going to do most of the things that
>users of Office are used to. PERIOD.
...and what are those things precisely?
[deletia]
--
"Wish not to seem, but to be, the best."
-- Aeschylus
TRANSACTION CANCELLED - FARECARD RETURNED
The Golden Rule is of no use to you whatever unless you realize it
is your move.
-- Frank Crane
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From: Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linus interview
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:57:22 +0100
elmig wrote:
> So why all this fuss? Choose what you want and let the others be. don't flame
> A or B just because they say i use NT and i use Linux...
I really don't think you're getting into the spirit of things.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:58:54 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:03:55 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8sd786$1ur$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <39e7dc20$0$42761$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > What's wrong with Windows 2000?
>> > >
>> > > Stabilty.
>> >
>> > There are no issues of stability with W2K. None. W2k is every bit as
>> stable
>> > as any other OS.
>>
>>
>> ROFLOL!! In your wet dreams.
>
>Typical Linvocate reply. No substantiation, no reply, no claims, no
>nothing, just pure, unadulterated BS.
Given the existence of things such as VAXen, this statement
is absurd on it's face actually. There's nothing to substantiate
really...
>
>This guy wouldn't know stability if it bit him in the ass.
>
>"No really, X crashing 6 times a day for no reason is still better
>than M$!" or something similar.
Even the worst iteration of Xfree from the Redhat 4.x days
never crashed with that frequency.
--
Trying to establish voice contact ... please ____yell into keyboard.
Suddenly, Professor Liebowitz realizes he has come to the seminar
without his duck ...
Please, won't somebody tell me what diddie-wa-diddie means?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:59:59 -0000
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:06:32 -0400, jazz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Richard M. Denney"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> jazz wrote:
>>
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > > I've found that a good solution is to use Word under VMWare.
>> >
>> > Thanks, what's that?
>> >
>> > I just started looking at prices for Pentium III systems. Boy, cheap,
>> > compared to the Macs I'd need to buy to run OSX.
>> >
>> > Jim
>>
>> I think VMWare is the best solution. See www.vmware.com. I also run
>> Linux in a Microsoft-dependent medical school. In Linux I have Windows
>> NT4 loaded with MS Office and Adobe photoshop and they work fine. For
>> goodness sake, use whatever tool is easiest for your job. VMware permits
>> one to have the best of both worlds.
>>
>> Rick
>
>
>
>I'll check it out. My problem is I want to do my usual Mac stuff with MS
>Word, and do development under Linux. On the same machine.
VPC ships with Redhat x86 these days...
>
>I've just discovered that some pretty good Linux's are available for Macs.
>And I would not have to upgrade to the G3 I'd need for OS X, or buy a
>Linux PC.
>
>Plus it would let me boot Linux off of one HD, and Mac OS off another.
--
Suicide is simply a case of mistaken identity.
Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?
-- Tom Stoppard
The difference between legal separation and divorce is that legal
separation gives the man time to hide his money.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:07:34 -0000
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:09:26 GMT, Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>Weevil wrote:
>
>> Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > http://www.gallup.com/poll/indicators/indMicrosoft.asp
>> >
>> > Also see the related analysis links at the bottom of that page.
>> >
>> > That being read, it seems that the boss is winning points for giving
>> people
>> > their choice of operating systems at work. As it should be. They made
>> that
>> > choice at home.
>>
>> People use whatever comes on their computer. They don't "choose" one
>> operating system over another, especially when they're not even aware of a
>> choice.
>
>So they don't read the front page or watch the news? They all know they can buy
>a Mac or get Linux for their PCs. There just not interested because Windows
>satisfies them. Reference the Gallup poll.
...then they have to be bailed out by some Linux user because the
local WinDOS user can't even hook up a SCSI chain properly.
[deletia]
There was even an MS commercial that had the audacity to actually
tout this sorry state of affairs (local gurus acting as free tech
support to prop up WinDOS) as some sort of selling point.
...and on the subject of WinDOS "scanning apps": what Umax bundles
is not very impressive in the least. Linux (gimp+sane) trumps it
by a wide margin. Their attempt at "one touch" scanning is simply
pathetic. The end user is still presented with a screen full of
options they likely don't understand.
--
The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end.
-- Benjamin Disraeli
When things go well, expect something to explode, erode, collapse or
just disappear.
In Lexington, Kentucky, it's illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your pocket.
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