Linux-Advocacy Digest #249, Volume #31 Thu, 4 Jan 01 21:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Bob Eager)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (John Brock)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Bob Eager)
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Trouble logging in ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Who LOVES Linux again? (craig nellist)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: COM on UNIX (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Could only... (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux can be made unstable, too. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Could only... (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux and License ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: open source is getting worst with time. ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Uptimes (Bob Hauck)
Re: Uptimes (Bob Hauck)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Eager)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 05 Jan 2001 00:43:02 GMT
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:53:44, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> So, in other words, the idiotic behavior of IBM XEDIT is due to the idiotic
> behavior of the IBM 3270 terminal, which is determined by the idiotic software
> written by IBM programmers.
You're not listening, are you? Or perhaps you don't want to because it
destroys your argument?
The 3270 terminal is a piece of HARDWARE. Its behaviour is determined
by HARDWARE. It was built like that to keep interrupt load low at the
time it was designed.
The software has to live within the limitations of the HARDWARE. If
you want to have it proved to you, read the HARDWARE manual. Else quit
moaning.
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Brock)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 4 Jan 2001 19:43:16 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>John Brock wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >> Gary Hallock wrote:
>> >> > I thought vi sucked.
>> >> This is why you fail...
>> >>
>> >> Can't recognize superior technology.
>> >In my opinion, xedit is superior to vi.
>> Having used both extensively I have to agree. In particular I miss
>> the "ALL" command in Xedit, which has no counterpart in any other
>> editor I've used.
>s/bad/good/g
>
>/g stands for GLOBAL.
Not even close. What you have given is the equivalent of the Xedit
CHANGE command, something all editors have. The ALL command is
quite different; it allows you to view and *edit* a subset of the
current file. For example if you entered "ALL /foo/" then only
those lines in the file which contained "foo" would be displayed.
Even if there were a thousand such lines you could scroll up and
down and see them all (along with the correct line numbers). More
important, you could freely edit any of those lines. When you were
done you just entered "ALL" again (without any arguments) and the
entire file would be displayed again, including all of your changes.
In fact with later versions you could first look at all lines
containing "foo" and then hide all those containing "bar", after
which you could unhide all lines containing "xyz" (none of which
necessarily contained either "foo" or "bar". The ALL command is
incredibly useful, and I really miss it in vi. As far as I know
you will only find it in Xedit derived editors (although my knowledge
of editors isn't all that wide, so maybe it is implemented elsewhere
after all).
PS: I accidentally e-mailed this to you when I meant to post. Sorry!
--
John Brock
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Eager)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: 05 Jan 2001 00:47:04 GMT
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:31:06, Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> You failed again. I already told you in a previous post that this is not
> equivalent to ALL. Why don't you look up the ALL command in the xedit
> manual and then get back to us.
For reasons of interest only (and because I don't have access to an
XEDIT manual, having only used it once or twice) would you mind
summarising what the ALL command does? I'm interested....
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:38:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:92vpkt$ej2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > hackerbabe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > "JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I can hear the weeping and wailing of the Linux advocates
> > > > > now! Their supposed 3% (actually .03%) share of the desktop
market
> > > > > will be7
> > > > > eliminated as though it was never there.
> > > > > http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/October/os.html
> >
> > This is great! They normally don't publish these numbers.
> >
> > I also found that
> > http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2000/November/os.html worked as
well.
> >
> > Keep in mind that most Linux browsers are identified as
> > Unknown (20,548,518 identified user IP addresses).
>
> They are?? How nice that you've taken over the complete "unknown"
column for
> Linux. I guess it just too bad for the millions of crawlers, email
> harvesters, and WYSIWYG html editors.
>
> >Add this to the
> > number of Linux users (1,686,370), plus the BSD Unix users (most of
> > 951,599) which gives you 23,186,487. Multiply that by a factor
> > of four
>
> A factor of FOUR! How nice. How about a
> multiplier of .0001? I like that
> number much better since we're introducing
> multipliers with no facts to back
> them up.
This survey has been cited many times, usually by Drestin Black.
The site itself describes their sampling methods. What the site does
is identify each TCP/IP address and records the last operating system
used at that IP address. It uses the signature from the browser,
which is provided in the "HTTP_USER_AGENT" declaration of the
HTTP transaction and is available as an Environment variable.
The script then parses this string for the target strings listed
(IE, Mozilla, Netscape, Linux, UNIX, or X11).
I got the following when accessing
"http://linuxhost/cgi-bin/printenv"
using Netscape on Windows NT.
HTTP_USER_AGENT="Mozilla/4.76 [en] (WinNT; U)"
When I use Konqueror on Linux I get:
HTTP_USER_AGENT="Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.0 Release
candidate 1 >=20001002mdk; X11); Supports MD5-Digest gzip encoding"
The reason the OS is unknown is because the OS is identified as
X11 in a string that requires a pretty smart parse to locate.
Second, since KDE supports Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and AIX,
it could be either Linux or one of those other UNIX versions
that occurred at the rate of 10 PPM.
> > (since MSN and AOL publish more IP addresses and don't
> > offer Linux connectivity support (forcing Linux users to lie and
> > tell the ISP that they are running IE or Mozilla, and the users
> > who use Netscape on Wine because the Linux version has memory leaks.
>
> Yea, there most likely a whole lot of
> Linux users connecting through MSN &
> AOL. mmm...hhmmm.
This is precisely the problem. Typically, Linux users use Local
ISPs who also happen to be running Linux as their terminal servers.
Since Linux can masquerade every host connected to it's "back-end"
and can make all of those hosts look like a single IP address. A
duplication factor of four is a bit conservative, but it's usually
a pretty good figure.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, AOL and MSN both have Class A subnets
and assign IP addresses dynamically using DHCP. This makes them
look even bigger than they really are to market research and
financial analyst organizations. a class A subnet can feed 24 million
unique host ids. To further inflate the figure, the IP address
changes each time the user calls in. When coupled with a "cookie"
the permutation this can result in phantom addresses.
Microsoft put a great deal of pressure on the companies with Class A
addresses to convert to NT terminal servers, DHCP, and MSCHAP for
PPP connectivity. While there are ways around these things, most
of these ISPs charge a much higher prices (because they cater to the
least experienced users) and they are generally hostile to Linux
users.
Meanwhile, earthlink and mindspring are running class C addresses
and provide instructions on how to configure KPPP for dial-in.
There are a few companies who have a very tight bead on the
market and they are being very quiet. AOL has the mynetscape.com
site which gives each user a cookie. They only count the cookies.
It's only a subset, but it's still around 100 million users. MyYahoo
and MSNBC also do this. Most of the Microsoft sites attempt to
give you a cookie whether you want it or not.
Other companies such as Verisign are also acutely aware of how
and where the market is going. Of course, Microsoft owns (25%?)
of Verisign and they aren't talking.
I helped invent many of the "census gathering methods" in use today
back in 1994 and 1995 as part of the volunteer work I did with my
4000 publisher friends (including Yahoo, Lycos, and Netscape).
The counters run by www.thecounter.com and www.statmarket.com are
noble attempts at gathering information as acuratly as they know how,
but the only real way to count is to have a site that everybody
goes to, count one cookie per OS (many dual-boot, VM, and WINE browsers
share the same cookie file), parse every entry fanatically, and give
detailed breakdowns of each kind of browser, and OS, and publish
those detailed "slice & dice" to the world.
Furthermore, it should be a sit that is equally Linux and MSFT
friendly. Counting hits at "www.redhat.com" would be worthless,
as would counting hits at "www.microsoft.com". Using an ActiveX
control to do the counting would also defeat the purpose.
--
Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:47:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"JSPL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "*" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JSPL wrote:
> >
> > > "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> > >
> > > > Keep in mind that most Linux browsers are identified as
> > > > Unknown (20,548,518 identified user IP addresses).
> > >
> > > They are?? How nice that you've taken over the complete "unknown"
column
> for
> > > Linux. I guess it just too bad for the millions of crawlers, email
> > > harvesters, and WYSIWYG html editors.
> >
> > well, i thought he was being very democratic!
> >
> > (erm. actually a pun. on the election. recount. in florida. ok it
was
> stupid.)
> >
> > y'r pal -kK
>
> Then there's the 6,368,480 the MEANT to use Linux but became confused
> because it had been moved further down the list on their boot loader.
> Add them to the total.
And don't forget the 52,480,000 who VOTED TWICE, using BOTH Linux AND
Windows at the same time (resulting in their vote being disqualifed)
:-) :-) :-).
I'm reminded of Lenny Bruce as the "Census Taker"
Bruce: Oh yuk, that's a dirty smelly old building,
I'm not going in there,
HEY KID, how many people live in that apartment building?
Kid: I'm 5
Bruce: 5, Good, i'll just mark that down.
At the next Election:
2 BILLION VOTES FROM ALABAMA, where'd all 'dem people come from?
Hey, they've been living in bunks and tiers, 20 to a room.
There's gonna be a lotta dues jim.
--
Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:07:40 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't it interesting.... Democrats in control ==> Poverty.
or perhaps it's the other way around and poverty ==> democrats.
or maybe there's a 3rd unknown cause of both poverty and having
democrats in control.
or maybe there is no connection and it just happened randomly.
a very interesting site.
<URL:http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm>
take a look at the "causal fallacies".
is aaron correct? is it post hoc? is it joint effect or wrong
direction? my bet is on the complex cause. what do you think?
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:15:20 +0000
hackerbabe wrote:
>
> A quote from http://microsoft.aynrand.org/hate.html, referring to why
> Microsoft has been persecuted in the anti-trust trial:
>
> "There is only one fundamental reason why great businessmen [like Bill
> Gates] or great companies [like Microsoft] are hated, and it has
> nothing to do with so-called monopolies. [Microsoft is] hated . . .
> because [it is] good, that is, smarter, more visionary, more creative,
> more tenacious, more action-focused, more ambitious, and more
> successful than everyone else.
>
> Haters of the good [competing OSes and browsers] do not want the less
> able to be raised up to the level of the great producers (which is
> impossible); they want the great producers to be brought down. They
> want to use government coercion to cripple the greatest minds so that
> lesser minds will not feel inferior."
> --------
> Is there any truth to this accusation of envy, or are there other
> reasons people dislike Microsoft?
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
I don't really have time now to go into why MS are not liked.
Suffice to say the products they produce are not great (mostly because
their testers/users don't have access to the source code so can't fix
it) and charge too much for them. If NT, for example had a user base
who *told* MS the FULL circumstances of each crash, and these people
used 'proper' hardware (ie NOT winmodems et al.), and MS ACTED on this,
maybe NT would justofy the price. In my view, 9x NEVER will (we ought
to be paid to use that!).
On top of this there is the issue of MS abbusing their possition to make
it hard for people to switch. Logically, if they had the best product
for people, they would let the fact stand for itself.
Or were you just trolling?
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Trouble logging in
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:21:11 +0000
Hughie wrote:
>
> I create a new user in SuSE and no matter whether I use the -p switch or not
> to create a password, I cannot login using the new username I just added.
>
> What am I doing wrong? Or what am I not doing that I should be doing?
>
> This is what my command looks like:
>
> useradd -c dummy user -p password tjohnson
>
> There is no -r switch in SuSE as there is in, say, RedHat.
What I do is go root, do a useradd, then use the passwd command to
create a password. A bit cumbersome, but on the up side, you don't get
the password stored in plain text in your command history.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: craig nellist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Who LOVES Linux again?
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:22:37 +1100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > After all, your logic dictates that a 32bit enviroment controlling the
> > interupts FOR the BIOS can't lock itself out, and loose control of those
> > signals too.
>
> It has nothing to do with 8-bit vs 16-bit vs 32-bit vs 64-bit.
>
> Unix/Linux kernels are practically impervious to lock-ups due to
> the way they are DESIGNED.
>
> Is ANY of this fucking getting through to your shit-infested brain?????
Linux is not impervious to lock-ups. Just because you haven't experienced
it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
> > So, it "should" not lock up, ever.
>
> That is correct.
>
> When Linux has a problem it will "PANIC", you fucking moron.
>
> That is how we know that you're a goddamned lying piece of shit.
It might panic, it might not. Check the Linux kernel archive & you'll see
plenty of example of hard lockups.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:24:19 +0000
> They make damn fine keyboards and mice, though.
>
The mice, I beleive, are made by Logitech. Don't know about the
keyboards though.
Regards
T.Gough
(using a MS Mouse with Xfree86)
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:16:56 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 4 Jan 2001 15:25:40 GMT...
...and Larry R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know who they surveyed, but I don't believe them. Excerpt from
> Information Week email subscription:
>
>
> ** Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000
>
> More than half of InformationWeek readers are either running Windows
> 2000, installing the Microsoft operating system, or plan to deploy
> the software by the middle of this year, according to a survey of
> 232 IT managers.
No reason not to believe them. I don't know what InformationWeek is,
but if it's a very Windows-centric magazine for big-business IT, the
numbers could easily be true.
mawa
--
You gotta watch your toes! Your toes, that is!
-- Foghorn Leghorn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:24:02 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:19:27 -0500...
...and Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, the US is the ONLY country that has properly designed electrical
> equipment.
Ever seen a German Schutzkontakt plug?
> Industrial goods and automobiles are all designed in metric.
Then I wonder why aeroplanes are still done in Imperial.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: COM on UNIX
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:25:53 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:12:55 GMT...
...and R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you use the QT toolkit, you get a copy of ORBIT (a CORBA ORB
> implemented primarily in C and C++).
>
> If you use the GNOME toolkit, you get a copy of MICO (a CORBA
> ORB which supports C, C++, and Java.)
Sorry, Rex, but you aren't doing your credibility a favour with this.
You've got it all the wrong way around, basically.
ORBit is the lightweight ORB tailor-made for and used by GNOME. Out of
the box it supports only C, but there are back ends for at least C++
and Python.
MICO, or rather a (for ease of compilation) reduced version of it
called TinyMICO used to be the ORB used by KDE, yet KDE, beginning
with version 2.0, has stopped using CORBA and subsequently doesn't use
MICO either. Their decision to drop CORBA is considered unwise by
many, including me, and is probably due to their refusal to switch to
a more lightweight ORB.
Uh, and GNOME is not a toolkit. Qt is a toolkit, the KDE toolkit. The
equivalent of Qt in the GNOME world is GTK+.
mawa
--
Those invincibly ignorant bastards that have been running things ...
for so long, throw them all out!
-- Garrison Keillor
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:26:35 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:37:39 -0500...
...and Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Notice how when Australia banned guns, the murder rate TRIPLED.
Urban legend.
mawa
--
Zur�ckl�chler!
Zungenkussverweigerer!
Zeltfeger!
Zweiweckersteller!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Linux can be made unstable, too.
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:30:40 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:53:21 -0500...
...and Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes. Just run a lot of svgalib apps,
Your fault. Svgalib is broken and a sick idea anyway. Stay away from
it and use a framebuffer driver if running an X server sounds too
conformist for you.
If you want to be at the fringe, use GGI/KGI.
But forget svgalib.
mawa
--
Topflappensticker!
Treuepunktesammler!
Trockensurfer!
T�tenweintrinker!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:27:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:28:57 -0500...
...and Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look at Australia...they banned guns, and the murder rate TRIPLED.
Urban legend.
mawa
--
Zur�ckl�chler!
Zungenkussverweigerer!
Zeltfeger!
Zweiweckersteller!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:26:38 +0000
Ralph Miguel Hansen wrote:
>
> hackerbabe wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > Haters of the good [competing OSes and browsers] do not want the less
> > able to be raised up to the level of the great producers (which is
> > impossible); they want the great producers to be brought down. They
> > want to use government coercion to cripple the greatest minds so that
> > lesser minds will not feel inferior."
> > --------
> > Is there any truth to this accusation of envy, or are there other
> > reasons people dislike Microsoft?
> >
> snip
>
> I like to cripple great minds (I am feeling very inferior), but Bill Gates
> is not in danger (he is not among them).
>
Gates has a a great mind. He is a marketing genius. But a shit
computer scientist
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and License
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:33:43 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I want to know that:
>
> if i make a linux firewall based on a normal and free linux distribution
> (red hat, debian, mandrake or others)and i want to sell to an
> organization ....which kind of license should i sell or give?
>
> Or better can i sell a firewall based on a linux distribution and
> repatched in some particulary way?...
>
> tnx a lot
>
> Aman
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Selling it is fine, just GPL it
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:49:23 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
> Colin R. Day wrote:
>
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> >
> >> 1st its Labour NOT labor, please don't use your bastardised english
> >> around here please.
> >
> >
> > What the f*? That's standard American English. And yes, we won our
> > revolution, so we're entitled to change the spelling. Or do you expect
> > us to retain the King's/Queen's English after rejecting the monarch?
> >
> > Colin Day
> hmm, The rest of the world plays Cricket whilst you play Baseball
That's odd. Baseball is much more popular than cricket in Japan and
Laitn America. I don't recall cricket being an Olympic sport.
>
> The rest of the world plays Rugby whilst you play Gridiron
Probably soccer more than rugby.
>
> The rest of the world uses 240v whilst you use 110v
> The rest of the world uses the metric system whilst you still use
> the imperial system (which is surprising, you still have not
> dropped even though its origins are from the Monarchy).
> The rest of the world uses degrees Celsius whilst you still use
> farenheight.
>
> America = Microsoft, non-standard system.
> Rest of the world = Linux, open-standard, that everyone else has adopted
>
OK
>
> And yes I do expect you to retain the kings/queens english! It is the
> standard way of spelling words.
>
Don't hold your breath.
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:49:24 GMT
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:28:02 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>www.troublewithsam.com
>www.statictaxi.com
>
>Both run on the same Win2k box.
Whoa!
> Having done the same thing with Apache just now on my own site, I can
> tell you quite clearly that configuring multiple sites is far easier
> under IIS. Just open the properties for the site and fill in the
> hostname value.
Which is slower than cut-and-paste in an editor after you've done it
once. And much slower than a script which can be run by a support
person who does not have the root password via sudo.
> Under Apache it required adding about 8 lines to the httpd.conf file,
> which
Oh...My...God!
> took a bit of experimentation and searching to find what to add (not
> to mention restarting the httpd daemons after every change). Total
"apachectl configtest" is your friend.
> time in Windows, 3 minutes. Total time in Linux, 2 hours.
Gee Erik, I guess all of those hosting providers that use Apache and
skew the Netcraft results must have a lot of overhead then. One wonders
why they keep using Apache. Man, some of them even developed the damn
thing, *what were they thinking*?
However, you must be a newbie. It doesn't take me two hours to add a
virtual site to Apache. 30 or 45 seconds is more like it. I only had
to read the docs once and even then it didn't take two hours IIRC.
People who host a lot of sites tend to do clever things like generating
the virtual host sections from their customer database, which reduces
the time to less than the time it takes to answer the phone call from
the customer asking for it to be done. You can probably do this with
IIS using WSH or some such thing, right? It is all documented clearly
and concisely at <http://www.microsoft.com/obscure/msdn/qwerty.htm>.
> And of course, if you don't put the domain name on an actual server,
> it just points to namezero's server which is of course Unix.
> I'll bet namezero's single server accounts for 100's of thousands of
> domain names. The same is true of register.com and others like that.
What? Are they idiots? It takes TWO HOURS to add a virtual domain to
Apache!
Yeah, I know, you never said that. You just said it took _you_ two
hours one one particular occasion.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:49:28 GMT
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:31:35 -0600, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The GUI configuration tools did not work properly because it did not
> add the correct fields to the httpd.conf (namely the NameVirtualHost
> keyword). It failed to do it's job.
There are two ways of doing virtual hosting with Apache. By name
(NameVirtualHost) or by address (just VirtualHost). Maybe the tool does
one but not the other (I don't use Linuxconf).
>> It takes all of 1 second to type "apachectl restart" from the command
>> line, or to click on "restart server" in one of the GUI config tools.
>
>ahh yes.. restart server. Linux conf actually reboots my machine for some
>reason when it restarts the server.
Bummer. It has a bug then.
> Interesting about apachectl. That is not the recommended way to
Not recommended? Howcome apachectl gets installed along with Apache
then when you build from source?
> restart httpd, apache recommends issuing kill -HUP commands.
Which is exactly what apchectl does.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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