Linux-Advocacy Digest #249, Volume #26 Tue, 25 Apr 00 12:13:40 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux from a Windows perspective ("Rich C")
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH)
Re: which OS is best? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (JEDIDIAH)
cross-compile for SPARC? on x86? (Ronnie Corny)
Re: KDE is better than Gnome (JEDIDIAH)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Terry
Porter)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux from a Windows perspective
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:58:35 -0400
"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:00:07 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8dub6v$pl2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> >Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >>
> >> >> It must work then 8)
> >> >
> >> >Yeah... but do you expect everything weird to work on Linux? Remenber
> >> >that hardware producents have their eye on Windows. Its easy.. never
buy
> >> >a PC if its components are not supported by Linux.
> >>
> >> For Linux to catchup and overtake Windows, yes.
> >>
> >> Both the AHA1520B and the SB16 are supported devices.
> >
> >SB 16 i have and it works without problems.... actually i remenber having
> >problems installing it but dont remenber how i solved it.
>
> I think the critical issue here might be ISA PnP. I've always
> avoided it like the plague (to my benefit). My SB16/IDE (nonpnp)
> works just fine & has been chugging along since it was in the 486.
>
You have a firm grasp of the obvious ;o)
My whole point was that the SB-16 PnP loses its settings every time it is
inited, and must be configured either by a PnP BIOS (which I don't believe
Pete's computer has,) or by a configuration utility like the Intel
configuration manager (DOS/Win) or by ISAPnP tools (Linux.) The Intel
Configuration Utility (ICU) was actually supplied by Creative with it's PnP
boards so that people with older computers could use them.
My AWE-64 is ISA PnP, and that, along with my Diamond Supra Express modem,
would simply NOT WORK until ISAPnP tools was installed and configured.
In Petes' case, I believe the SB is conflicting with the more static
settings of his SCSI card, causing the drivers not to load (because the
hardware is not found.) However, it is also possible that his SCSI card must
be initialized on every boot as well, because he claims it will only work
after specifying the I/O settings in LILO. (I say possible, not likely, only
because that is NOT the way my SCSI card behaves, but I don't have the exact
model he does.)
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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> one option among many, like in some regime where
> product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:17:24 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:16:43 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:03:24 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >To continue, if MS Office is broken into a separate company they are also
>> >free not to port to any other platforms. Evidently people like Microsoft
>so
>>
>> They also may face stockholder lawsuits if they do so. The fate
>> of msoffice would no longer be diluted by it's assocation to the
>> other parts of the MS Borg cube.
>
>They also may stay a single company for all we know at the moment. Justice
>has funny ways in the US.
>
>>
>> >much that they want to double their pleasure :). The two "new" CEO will
>be
>> >Gates for one company and Ballmer is for the other compant. Yeah, that'll
>> >make a lot of difference....
>> >
>> >You're wrong on couple of counts here. Windows is still better than any
>> >other OSs for desktop and some respect servers also. SQL server can stand
>on
>>
>> No it isn't. NeXT and Macintosh have always been better as
>> desktops. What DOS and it's decendants claim is having the
>> most/all available applications. Depending on what you do
>> with your computer, this can be of dubious value.
>
>Quality is not the issue here usability is.
That is how one typically judges 'desktop quality'. This is
why Microsoft is a featured OS at the user interface hall of
shame. They implemented a poor copy of other's work (MacOS,
NeXT, OS/2).
>
>>
>> >its own merritt, no need to subsidize it. Have you looked at the TPC-C
>> >performance results lately?
>>
>> Yup. It depends heavily on clustering and it's competitor numbers
>> are a bit dated. Nevermind that this test doesn't measure those
>> things which typically drive the enterprise DBA: data integrity and
>> uptime.
>
>Sour grapes, pulling the uptime card again? Do you need the advantages of
>clustered environment spelled out?
As an admin, I'm more concerned about downtime than I am speed.
While speed (or rather) responsiveness is certainly a concern,
it is far more damaging to be unavailable to users, or to lose
transactions. Clustering a DB has it's own constraints.
>
>>
>> >
>> >http://www.tpc.org/new_result/ttperf.idc
>> >
>> >That's nice, software companies aren't willing to write programs for
>other
>> >platforms and it is Microsoft's fault.
>>
>> Sure it is. Microsoft has done it's best to ensure that alternate
>> platforms don't take hold, sometimes actively sabotaging them.
>> This was addressed in the last DOJ action against M$ as well as
>> this one.
>
>The last DOJ action resulted in a slap on wrist and so will this one.
>
>>
>> >Again, would that really make a difference? Would most of the user turn
>to
>> >other platforms even if the software available for it? It is also
>>
>> Apple seems to manage. Despite the fact that there has been no
>> great inrush of end user applications, they seem to be experiencing
>> a renaisance of source. So apparently there are a good chunk of end
>> users that don't quite need or care about that other 95% of a CompUSA
>> or MicroCenter.
>
>And that "good chunk" is what, 5%?
They're big enough to be in the top vendor list for the US.
While the number may seem small represented as a percentage,
it still represents a considerable market.
If 5% of otherwise WinTel users could do without (microsoft),
then whynot 10% perhaps, or 20% perhaps or even more.
>
>>
>> >It's been suggested long time ego, but there were no takers.
>>
>> Actually, quite a few companies are taking up the challenge.
>
>And most of those companies are just like Corel, which tried to revitalize
>their WorldPerfect by making it available for Linux. After it bombed on the
>Windows platform.
It didn't quite so much bomb as it was a casualty in the Microsoft
hegemony game.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: 25 Apr 2000 00:23:22 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>It is in the context of a single-user PC. The NFS design
>>relates better to large multi-user hosts where a trusted
>>administrator controls the machine - but that was the normal
>>case when NFS was designed.
>
>I think it's safe to say that's not the case anymore.
Perhaps for you. I have hundreds of accounts on the machines
sharing files and generally discourage storing anything worth
sharing on a desktop machine.
>Been there, done that. The HOWTOs in particular are helpful -- if
>everything goes right and works as it should. For example, I can't
>make RH5.2 floppies boot on my laptop (something about the very first
>.img file it attempts to load..doesn't), an old 486 I'd like to run
>X-terminals on, but it will boot fine with RH6.2 or SuSe 6.3 floppies.
>However, doing so doesn't allow me to access the 'net - with an
>NE2000, 3C589, or Ethernet II NIC. So far I've not found a source for
>information on this problem. It seems the NIC is found, but I get TX
>errors (if I ctl-alt-F3 or F4, depending on the distribution, SuSe or
>RH) throughout - every time I try to mount an NFS share or FTP share
>during the floppy install process. The NIC appears to have the right
>modules loaded, and the LINK light turns on and the activity light
>flashes from time to time (directly corresponding to when I hit enter
>to start the connection attempt) but alas, no go.
If you ctl-alt-f2 you should get a shell prompt. What does
'ifconfig -a' tell you about the interface?
If you are only going to use the laptop for X sessions you might
want to try VNC under windows and an X desktop running under
vncserver on a normal box. VNC lets you disconnect and reconnect
without killing the session.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:19:44 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:33:31 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Cihl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> The only one spreading FUD *anywhere*, is Microsoft!
>> They DO this to keep their users from trying anyone else's
>> OS's!
>
>If that's all what it takes someone from trying another OS, then so be it.
>Anyone can freely install other OSs, it's up to the end user and not
>Microsoft. For that matter Linux is supposedly is free and yet most of the
That's extremely disengenuous. For one, one is stiffed for
'the original OS'. Then, one has to have the desire to do
the gruntwork one's self. That has typically never been the
case in even the WinDOS market and Monopolysoft has exploited
that fact.
>end users have no interest in it.
>
>> Linux doesn't have to spread FUD to keep it's users around,
>> because the number of users is already rising every day!
>
>And pretty soon it'll reach the market share of Windows3.11. WOW, big @#$%
>deal!!!!
[deletia]
It's NTs marketshare that Linux is most likely to overtake.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:23:26 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:34:19 GMT, steve jobsniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
>the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
>*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
...and twits like you are supposed to be the 'mighty capitalist
hunters'. Either grow a pair of balls or get out of the way and
let the real men through. Besides, this nasdaq CORRECTION is
hardly going to bring the economy down. Those with saavy will use
this as an opporunity to buy cheap. Meanwhile, Oracle is on the
rise to the point where Ellison could eclipse Gates in personal
wealth (so much for doom and gloom).
>crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
>of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
>now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
It might be a painful pill to swallow.
However, if one particular piece of the economic system (namely
Microsoft) is so critical and irreplaceable then it is good we
dispatch it now and deal with the problem while it's still a
relatively minor one.
...better to migrate away from DOS in 1985, rather in 2003.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronnie Corny)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: cross-compile for SPARC? on x86?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:38:33 GMT
I want to set up my sparcstation 10 as a pure server (running redhat 6.2) and
so would prefer not to put compilers and dev tools on it, however, I do need
to be able to update the kernel and other apps... what's the best solution?
Is there a way to compile the sparc-bins on my x86 computers running
slackware... if so, are there any faqs or docs for me to consult? I've
searched around the faqs and don't see this mentioned at all... maybe people
who use ppc or alphas would have similar situation?
or should I just rely on rpms from redhat?
thanks
rgds,
- ron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: KDE is better than Gnome
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:26:37 GMT
On 25 Apr 2000 02:08:48 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>No. I only use windows to play games actually, so the above is not actually
>>>nessesary.
>
>> Unless that game is statically linking everything then there is
>> likely going to be a use for a tool such as ldd.
>
>So far theres been no need at all.
There have been several occasions where I would have LOVED to
know what libraries a Win32 was linked against. It would make
cleaning up after WinDOS'es messes considerably simpler at
times.
[deletia]
>>>
>>>And please, switch to windows. It really suits you better than linux does.
>
>> Would you mind actually supporting that assertion?
>
>You are argumentative, you seem to mistakenly believe that many more people
>disagree with you than actually do, you only occasionally back up your
>statements with fact and you have a silly email address.
Actually, I usually back up my statements. Oftentimes, I don't
bother repeating myself. However, that's another matter.
Now, the notion that 'the argumentative' should be running Windows
is quite assinine. Windows is not nearly flexible to accomodate the
argumentative.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:29:10 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:39:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:51:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>>>There is nothing wrong with knowing how to reach under the
>>>>hood and check your own oil. Linux distributions just include
>>>>the whole toolbox. Users of other systems may get the idea
>>>>that there are no user-servicable parts inside.
>>>
>>>Of course. However, it does *significantly* limit the audience.
>>
>> No it doesn't. It doesn't any more limit the audience than does
>> the fact that a Ford or a Benz is a relatively open system that
>> can be serviced by the end user or one of thousands of special
>> purpose consultants.
>
>We're talking about the ability and knowledge required to run Linux,
>not that it's an open-source system. I hope/think that's what you're
>talking about.
There's a considerable difference between novice use of a system,
power use of a system and system maintenance. Once you get beyond
'granny usage' there's quite a bit to know that having some nice
eye candy in front of you really won't help you with.
This is something that many of us who have to deal with Windows
running relatives that think of us as free tech support have to
deal with on a regular basis. This is something that people who
do tech support for a living have to deal with.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:34:14 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:20:16 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:29:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On 22 Apr 2000 13:18:11 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Samba isn't terribly difficult, but it requires knowing how to do many
>>>>>>other things - how to use a text editor, how to edit files in what may
>>>>>>or may not be a GUI environment (the examples I've seen show pico;
>>>>>
>>>>> Run editor.
>>>>> Open file.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are hardly brain surgery.
>>>>
>>>>Which editor? Where?
>>
>> Try one.
>
>Try one what? Honestly, Jedi, a newbie's not going to know *any* of
>this.
...the same way they would under Windows. They would explore
the interface, stumble upon a menu and click on something that
looks reasonable or just click on anything and manage to finally
stumble upon the right thing.
Without active coaching, or a manual, this is how one muddle's
through a GUI. There is no magic to a particular GUI just because
it happens to have a microsoft copyright on it.
>
>>>>What file? Where?
>>
>> That requires a little bit of foreknowledge, but just a bit.
>> Global config files typically go in /etc.
>> Config files usually are named like the app they go with.
>
>Just a bit? LOL. Sorry; it takes more than that.
No it doesn't.
Quite often looking in a directory for something named like your
app is quite effective. This is a simple heuristic that can serve
you well, if you're capable of applying such a thing. If you can't,
an MS branded GUI will likely be no less confounding.
It's not the knowledge: it's the attitude.
>
>> So, /etc/smb.conf isn't such a stretch. It just requires a little
>> thinking and not being completely intimidated by the interface.
>
>...as most people would be.
Something being intimidating does not make it any more or less hard.
It just means that common mythology will dissuade people from trying.
>
>>>>What files does one edit?
>>
>> Try looking in the manpage and exploring the system from there.
>
>Bingo. Case closed.
...not unless you can make a more convincing case that the novice
would not need to seek similar counsel under Windows. Just because
you as a trained end user thinks something is obvious (post factum)
does not mean it will be the case for the next granny that comes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 Apr 2000 13:36:00 +0800
On 24 Apr 2000 11:00:44 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>S4eaDra4gon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>This morning my FreeBSD machine (which is my DNS server) spontaneously
>>ran out of memory. I was able to log in, but any command said "out of
>>memory", and nothing would run, and it didn't even respond to DNS request.
>>The machine was down! I had to reboot it. Pretty good run, though - it
>>was up for about two months. I guess I'll schedule another reboot for
>>June.
Why not add more memory, Wintroll ?
What do you expect?
Was it Swap, or Ram, do you know the difference ?
Least it told you, it had no more resources. Odd that ftp.cdrom.com
runs a 200 Gigabyte, 3200 user FreeBsd machine, without having *your* problem ?
What a contrived example!
Hahahahah, "my gun ran out of bullets, better get a new gun"
>
>Named has had a memory leak in all but the latest couple of releases
>so you might want to update it. A check with 'top' once a month or
>so would show if you are starting to use swap space and you could
>restart the just the processes that are hogging memory.
>
>>Sounds like what happened to my Linux box last night. I compiled my
>>new kernel, and went though the obligatory reboot then ran with it,
>>and then got a kernel panic because the root filesystem couldn't be
>>mounted.
Bullshit, you have no idea what you're doing. It couldnt *find* the root
partition, hence the kernel panic.
man rdev.
>> Then I went back to the previous kernel, booted off that, and
>>got the same message. The filesystem was corrupted! Linux spontaneously
>>corrupted my filesystem and I had to reinstall!
More bullshit.
Reinstall *what* ????
This Wintroll is a joke, how many partitions did he have ? was it his root
partition that was "corrupted" ?
Methinks hes replaced "Windows" with "Linux" in his post.
>> Pretty good run, it
>>had been up for a whole six weeks. I will schedule another re-installation
>>for June.
Or get a clue how to install a new kernel ?
You're a sad case mate, someone like you shouldnt be allowed within 50 metres
of a production Linux box.
Anyone with 1/2 a clue would make a boot floppy and test it, I have several
with different kernels, and different facilities.
>
>You have done something drastically wrong here, and unique to
>your machine. Are you sure the problem isn't really the
>lilo configuration setting the wrong root drive? I'd boot
>the install CD and tell it I want to upgrade to see if it
>sees the old partitions.
>
>>I haven't even _logged out of_ (let alone rebooted) my Windows NT
>>workstation at work, since December 1999. I have no idea how long
>>it has been up as that was my first day in the office, but possibly
>>much longer.
Good for you, have you actually any apps on it ?
>
>Haven't installed any software, I guess... Almost every new
>program or update on my NT box forces me to reboot.
Well said!
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:38:42 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:21:35 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:37:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>> The vast majority of them will look at you as if you're from another
>> planet once you start talking about file sharing. In the end you would
>> end up essentially writing a 'visual howto' for them.
>
>...which is far easier to follow.
Actually, that would be a far more individual thing than you
acknowledge. No matter how much M$ would like to think of them
as such, end users are not borg drones.
Besides, a simple list of commands is far less ambiguous and
less bulk of information.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
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Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:35:38 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:21:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:32:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>>> [snip more oh-my-god-I-have-to-use-a-text-editor stuff]
>>>
>>>The point, which is correct and perfectly valid, is that Linux is far
>>>more difficult to set up for even basic filesharing.
>>
>> ...only if you put your fingers in your ears, start mumbling some
>> MS mantra and shove your head in a hole in the sand.
>
>Or if you're just a normal human being who wants to get things done
>quickly without investing mountains of time and effort (and trips to
>the library to get manuals) just to do some basic filesharing.
What makes you think some granny won't need to do the same for
Windows. You've not really supported the claim that 'she'
wouldn't, just made the claim that what is there seems obvious
from the point of view of a relative expert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
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Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:40:36 GMT
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:34:08 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:58:53 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher
>Browne) wrote:
>
>>What's easier?
>>
>>"Type what I tell you to type, and read what I tell you to read."
>>which takes benefit from the several thousand years worth of
>>development of written communications,
>>
>> or
>>
>>"I'm going to try to describe, via something like charades, the menus,
>>dialogs, icons, and other hieroglyphics, what you're supposed to do."
>>which benefits from the several dozen hours that the typical person
>>has spent playing charades.
>
>I think enough people have moved to the GUI to demonstrate that it is
>the preferred interface. I know *you* are more comfortable in the
>CLI, but I think most people have shown to strongly prefer the GUI.
In this day and age, people aren't exactly given a choice. They
never have been really. The 'tyranny of the majority' has
historically forced them to use one option or another not because
it was 'best' but because it was most numerous.
Windows itself exists as a dominant player in the market DESPITE
being at it's core a rather primitive CLI that managed to defeat
Macintosh due to numbers rather than quality.
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