Linux-Advocacy Digest #249, Volume #34 Sun, 6 May 01 10:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Article: Linus Torvalds Replies to Mundie's Attack on Open Source (Roy Culley)
Re: Linux Advocacy ("~�~")
Re: Linux disgusts me ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: IBM Linux mainframe to displace NT, Sun, HP boxes at Venezuelan bank ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MS ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: If Windows is supposed to be so "thoroughly" tested... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie (Charles Lyttle)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 08:49:39 -0400
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <dJZI6.6119$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > I *strongly* suggest that printing *must* be
> > > addressed as soon as possible. I honestly see
> > > very little movement on that front.
> >
> > I don't understand this printing problem that Unix supposedly
> > has. Unix apps normally produce postscript. Unix lpr uses filters to
> > see what the data type to be printed is. If you don't have a
> > postscript printer the filter will use ghostscript to convert it to
> > pcl or whatever. I now have a Lexmark z52 which has its own Linux
> > driver. To me it is totally transparent. Before I had an
> > HP850C. Again printing was totally transparent. Where is the problem?
>
> First, there is a news server that is dedicated to printing in Linux, that
> is a problem all in itself.
> Second, we aren't talking about end users' problems here, we are talking
> about support for developers.
> Let's say that we take two comparable products that does the exact same
> thing, one for windows, the other for linux.
> The windows one could have printing support in a matter of no time, because
> GDI abstract the output device from the developer, so you don't have to
> change the code at all to print to a printer or display on the screen.
> The only worry you have is page breaks.
>
> On Linux, however, you need to have seperate code that does it, which is
> much harder than adding few "if"s for page-breaks.
Gee, I thought all I had to do was add a printer drive, and all a vendor
had to do was write a driver. Much like a printer driver is written for
any other OS.
--
Rick
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 08:51:38 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 05 May 2001
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> You forgot the smiley, moron.
> >> >
> >> >No, that time I was serious. I really can't
> >> >play the piano worth a damn.
> >>
> >> You forgot the smiley again, moron.
> >
> >Damn, you're hard to please. When
> >I put smilies in, you complain. When
> >I don't put them in, you complain.
> >
> >Perhaps I should be thankful you
> >are being so consistent. :D
>
> You should stop pretending you're the only one who gets the joke. You
> should also recognize that you have become the joke.
>
> :-/
>
I've already told him he isnt worth the time or band width. I'll
probably do a few more replies, but it really is useless.
--
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: Article: Linus Torvalds Replies to Mundie's Attack on Open Source
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 13:24:50 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dave Martel wrote:
>
>
>> "What's ours is ours. What's yours is ours."
>
> Are you talking about M$ or the GPL?
.net
They want all your data as well now. :-)
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From: "~�~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Advocacy
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 12:50:45 GMT
A glowing example of Neo-Linux advocacy if I've ever seen one.
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Interesting things I've encountered talking to people about Linux.
.
>
> Here is some of the comments made to me by our awakening userbase.
> COMMENT:
> I don't like Linux because of the GPL License. You know, 19 year olds
> can read the source code and come up with free applications which
> would be competing with mine in the marketplace. They'd be stealing
> my marketshare and taking food away from my family. You know some
> 15-21 year old lives at home and doesn't have to worry about making a
living
> but I have to. We have a business to run here and I don't want to face
> the frustrations of competing with kids
>
> RESPONSE:
> Son! If your worried about some 9 year old comming out with an
application
> which would defeat YOUR application then I'd suggest going into
> lawncare or some other field you can handle as you obviously aren't worth
> your weight in shit as a programmer and I think you've just told me so.
> TAKE CARE...
This is just the sort of 'response' that is putting Linux and its user base
in an increasingly bad light.
Not to mention, I consider the source. Trouble is, most of what I see is not
worth considering at all.
[...snipped from here ...]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux disgusts me
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:20:56 -0400
John Smith wrote:
>
> I installed Redhat 7.1 using the kde desktop.
>
> WTF ? Illegible non anti-aliased fonts that require a magnifying glass to
> read ? WTF ?
Why are you using such a cheap-o monitor to run X-windows?
>
> And free software / open source developers have the temerity to criticize
> Microsoft. Get fucking real ...
if you insist on running X-windows on a 4th-rate monitor, then look in
the "how-to" section for anti-aliasing
/usr/doc/howto
>
> At least Microsoft has developers that understand the rudimentary principles
> of user friendliness. Default fonts of readable size, anti-aliased, ...
...blue screen of death, 2+ reboots to install a SINGLE application,
reboot every time you add a piece of hardware, reboot every time you change
a network setting.
Yeah...REAAAAAAAAAL friendly.
>
> Microsoft should take pity on you and offer free internships so that you can
> learn how to do things right the first time.
>
> You bunch of losers,
>
> J
>
> --
> Posted from [196.2.33.11] by way of oe55.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.63]
> via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:22:03 -0400
Mikkel Elmholdt wrote:
>
> "Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9cv5qo$pjq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >> >Any damn fool can bash Microsoft ..... but try to put up a compelling
> > > case
> > >> >for the use of Linux, would be a more challenging task, at least for
> the
> > >> >majority of posters here.
> > >>
> > >> So, are you going to do some Linux advocacy then?
> > >
> > > No. I don't see myself as a Linux advocate, so why should I advocate
> > > Linux?
> >
> > Why do you open a thread in a group supposed to be about Linux advocacy
> > then?
>
> Because I don't see much Linux advocacy here, that's why. Most posters here
Mainly because we have to spend MOST of our time defending against
scirrilous lies, of the "pot calling the snow black" variety.
> seem to believe that bashing Microsoft is equivalent to advocating Linux. I
> happen to disagree. Everybody knows by now that MS products lacks in
> stability (OK - there seem to be a few die-hard trolls around who claim the
> opposite, but then there are also people claiming that the world is flat).
> But abandoning Windows is not the same as taking up with Linux. There *are*
> alternatives, you know.
>
> To be honest, even if I am not a Linux/Open Source convert, I am not totally
> immune to the luring calls from that camp, and I an certainly not a MS fan
> either (seen enough strange things from our NT servers & workstations for
> that). But still not being totally converted, I go to a seemingly Linux
> advocacy group to find some compelling arguments for using Linux. And what
> do I find? A load of drivel, outright BS, and mindnumbing MS bashing! That
> frankly irritates me. You are convincing anyone new with this party line.
>
> One good example of time-wasting posts is the enourmous interest for this
> Mundie guy's recent blurb, where he bashes Linux and Open Source. There is
> not anything new in his statements, only stuff you could expect from MS. So
> why the buzz? Frankly, I would not even have known about his announcement,
> had it not been for a post here. Ironic!
>
> Mikkel
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:24:01 -0400
billwg wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 05 May 2001
> > >
> > >Saying this doesn't make it so. Until 1995, Microsoft
> > >sold a version of Windows separate from DOS.
> >
> > The question is not whether they sold it (had it available). The
> > question is how much people bought it. People weren't buying it, so MS
> > forced it on them: this is documented by Microsoft's internal documents.
> > Arguing against it just makes you look stupid.
> >
> This doesn't seem to gibe with the Caldera case theory for one thing. Their
> assertion was that Microsoft used Windows to leverage MS-DOS, not vice-versa
> as you seem to be saying.
Letter to Mike Davis, Diamond Trading
Dear Mike
Further to out conversation yesterday, I am writing to confirm that
Microsoft is unable to supply you Windows as a single product. Microsoft
will only sell you Windows as a combined package with MS-DOS 5.
Yours Sincerely
OEM Sales
Microsoft Ltd.
--
Rick
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM Linux mainframe to displace NT, Sun, HP boxes at Venezuelan bank
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:27:22 -0400
Brent R wrote:
>
> Gary Hallock wrote:
> >
> > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/05/03/010503hnibmbank.xml?p=br&s=10
> >
> > "IBM ON THURSDAY scored a win in its crusade to establish
> > Linux on mainframes, announcing a deal with one of
> > Venezuela's largest banks."
> >
> > "As part of a multiphase transition, Big Blue has signed a
> > deal with Banco Mercantile, the assets of which total $3
> > billion, to migrate the functions now carried out by 30
> > Windows NT servers onto one of its mainframes running
> > Linux. The Windows NT servers were acting largely as Web
> > servers, firewalls, and Internet domain servers."
> >
> > "In phase two, the bank plans to move functions now being
> > carried out by Unix-based Sun Microsystems and
> > Hewlett-Packard servers over to the mainframes."
> >
> > Gary
>
> The return of the mainframe is one of the reasons that I like UNIX/Linux
> now, although I don't use it as a desktop OS. I work on an old mainframe
> at work (20 years or so), raised floor and all, but some of these newer
> IBM mainframes kick ass! I may not be prejudiced against MS users BUT I
> would say that I am prejudiced against anyone who says that Intel/AMD
> PC's are better than mainframe. Let them work on their little dinky
> glorified consoles, REAL men use mainframes! :^)
>
> Anyone else dig mainframes?
I used to...until I used Unix.
>
> --
> - Brent
>
> http://rotten168.home.att.net
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MS
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:29:25 -0400
Bill Vermillion wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Stephen Edwards wrote:
>
> >> First of all, Microsoft is a member of the
> >> BSA.
>
> >The BSA is a Mafia$oft sockpuppet.
>
> Jsut this past week one of trade mags had an article about that,
> and how vendors such as Lotus and Novell are no longer
> participitating in BSA because it is so MS oriented/prejudiced.
>
Exactly...like the BSA saying "well, we'll forgive these licence
violations is you dump all your Lotus and Novell for Microsoft-based
servers"
> --
> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: If Windows is supposed to be so "thoroughly" tested...
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:31:43 -0400
"~�~" wrote:
>
> > Does Red Hat inform all their 5.0 users that they should upgrade because
> > they have tons of problems?
>
> No. Only in COLA are you told that with Linux you don't need to get on the
> upgrade wagon.
>
> Unless, of course, you compare an older version of a Linux distribution with
> windows<anything>.
> At which point you'll be told ... "you're using an ancient version of
> <distro>, why don't you upgrade? <insert personal insult here>".
>
> I know. I was just told this last week after comparing the setup of a home
> LAN using DHCP with RedHat 6.2. WinMe, win 98, and Whistler beta 2.
> Isn't RH 6.2 newer than win98?
no
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:32:37 +0200
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Roy Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <dJZI6.6119$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > > I *strongly* suggest that printing *must* be
> > > > addressed as soon as possible. I honestly see
> > > > very little movement on that front.
> > >
> > > I don't understand this printing problem that Unix supposedly
> > > has. Unix apps normally produce postscript. Unix lpr uses filters to
> > > see what the data type to be printed is. If you don't have a
> > > postscript printer the filter will use ghostscript to convert it to
> > > pcl or whatever. I now have a Lexmark z52 which has its own Linux
> > > driver. To me it is totally transparent. Before I had an
> > > HP850C. Again printing was totally transparent. Where is the problem?
> >
> > First, there is a news server that is dedicated to printing in Linux,
that
> > is a problem all in itself.
> > Second, we aren't talking about end users' problems here, we are talking
> > about support for developers.
> > Let's say that we take two comparable products that does the exact same
> > thing, one for windows, the other for linux.
> > The windows one could have printing support in a matter of no time,
because
> > GDI abstract the output device from the developer, so you don't have to
> > change the code at all to print to a printer or display on the screen.
> > The only worry you have is page breaks.
> >
> > On Linux, however, you need to have seperate code that does it, which is
> > much harder than adding few "if"s for page-breaks.
>
> Gee, I thought all I had to do was add a printer drive, and all a vendor
> had to do was write a driver. Much like a printer driver is written for
> any other OS.
On user side, maybe, I really didn't deal with printing on linux on the user
side.
I'm talking on the *developer*'s side here.
There is no abstraction on linux of the printer. In Windows, I don't *care*
what printer it is, or if I print to printer or screen.
The only thing that I need to change in my code to change displaying on the
screen to printing is page breaks. On Linux, I would've to do all the
formatting myself, and create a PostScript output, which is good for
printers that support it, but what about those that don't? The other option
is to support *myself*, every brand of printer in existance.
Again, it's *not* a user-side issue, it's a developer side issue. If mean
that it's far easier to print your application output on Windows than on
Linux.
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:36:21 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9d109q$g7c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Don't make the mistake of trying to claim MS is against Open Source.
> > > They could care less if someone gives their code away. What they care
> > > about is that the GPL prevents businesses from taking advantage of code
> > > paid for by taxpayer dollars.
> >
> > Since when has the GNU project been supported by the taxpayer?
>
> Who said it was? I'm talking about code developed at JPL or the NSA (such
> as Secure Linux, which is government funded, but GPL'd)
>
> > And you also seem to be saying that they are annoyed that they can't make
> > money off other peoples work? Well so what? Do you think anyone cares
> > about MS that much?
>
> Federal law prohibits work developed by the government from being
> copyrighted. That means it can't be GPL'd by law, but it still is happening
> because the GPL has infected the government.
>
Have you a citation for this law? I see lots of code developed by
government contract with copywrite notices. However, if it is true, the
government also cannot take the copywrite held by the original authors
without just compensation. So the new code must be released GPL to the
original authors, or the original authors must be contracted (real $$$)
for a branch.
> > > The original internet wasn't even developed on Unix. My point is that,
> > > if the government had released the original DARPANET code under a
> > > license like the GPL, companies like DEC, IBM, and Sun would have never
> > > adopted it.
> >
> > Why not? The GPL doesn't license protocols. Companies would be quite free
> > to develop a compatible implementation, using the GPL source as a
> > reference.
>
> No, they're not. Using GPL'd source as a reference makes the work a derived
> work, and subject to the GPL's license terms.
--
Russ Lyttle
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