Linux-Advocacy Digest #160, Volume #32 Mon, 12 Feb 01 22:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Answer this if you can...
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Another Pete Goodwin "Oopsie"! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? (Bloody Viking)
Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS ("Chad Myers")
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? (Bloody Viking)
Re: Interesting article ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Chad Myers")
Re: Interesting article (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Bloody Viking)
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? (David Steinberg)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Joel Barnett")
Re: Answer this if you can... (David Steinberg)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Bloody Viking)
Re: Linux Servers require Weekly Rebooting (Cool Microsoft FUD and Warner research
for your reading pleasure) (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:32:42 -0000
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:02 +0100, John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 12 Feb 2001 10:59:25 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
>Steinberg) wrote:
>
>>: Its laughable but I also find that the DOS program MC (Midnicht
>>: Commander) is one of the most productive tools on Linux!
>>
>>What's laughable is that you want anyone to believe that you are in a
>>position to hire or fire programmers, when you use the term "DOS
>>program" to refer to a console application.
>>
>Oh dear, have I not been quite academic enuff for you? Midnight
>Commander is a Linux clone of an 80's MSDOS program 'Norton Commander'
>(now Symantec). That's why I referred to it as a DOS program, because
>it is. So please don't be so condescending.
No, it's still a clueless comment.
DOS Program != clone of DOS program.
[deletia]
--
In general, Microsoft is in a position of EXTREME conflict of
interest being both primary supplier and primary competitor.
Their actions must be considered in that light. How some people
refuse to acknowledge this is confounding.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:01:39 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:59:46 +0100, Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Do you know how Epsons command language works?
>Nope i dont thin so.
He doesn't have to.
He runs Windows and selects "Epson" from a menu and it works.
>Face it Pete... you cannot save yourself out of this one. You made a
>beginners error and are stuck with it !!
Yea, running Linux in the first place :)
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:03:53 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:15:07 +0100, "Mart van de Wege"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I bet a lot of prospective Linux users will be very put off by
>you wishing them a massive headache.
>
>Mart
Try looking at a Sony or Nec 17 inch monitor with 75dpi and you will
most definitely have a headache.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:05:16 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:43:02 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>that's why their software is so insecure right? B/c they think people
>getting viruses and having their data erased is a good thing and shows
>they care about their users?
People get virii because they are stupid and that stupidity includes
running Outlook.
>i guess Flat doesn't even know that there is a HUGE KB on microsoft.com.
Sure I do, but I rarely if ever have to use it.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another Pete Goodwin "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:07:24 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:00:22 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>What's the point?
>
> Flexibility.
> Convenience.
So you can have 5 queues that don't work correctly instead of one.
> Even under WinDOS it is useful to set up multiple
> print queues for the same printer. It saves baby-
> sitting the UI.
>
>[deletia]
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: 13 Feb 2001 02:08:19 GMT
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It was the Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:39:24 GMT...
: ...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> I'll bet everyone of the machines ran Windows flawlessly, all features
:> were able to be utilized to full capacity like they were designed to
:> be.
: Actually not (they test-drove the things under Windows, too). Why
: don't you just shut up and read the article?
: For example, the Compaq Armada M700/7700 does not support hot-swapping
: PCMCIA/Cardbus cards under Windows 2000.
I used an M700 at work with NT4 SP6a and quite a few features
(including most of the hotkeys, Suspend, and Power Off) didn't seem to
work under NT.
It's a nice enough box otherwise.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: 13 Feb 2001 02:10:30 GMT
Duane Healing ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: One word will instantly releive all your pain... Debian.
That Mandrake install debacle sounds pretty bad. Almost as bad as a Windows *
install debacle minus the BSOD on the boot floppy.
Easiest install of any OS I've ever seen was a Packrat Bell restore CD with
one boot floppy. Except for fdisk, it was a piece of cake. That's becuse that
"distribution" was meant for one exact machine.
For Linux, Red Hat is pretty easy so long as your machine tolerates LILO as
most do. Slackware is best left for Linux old timers or people with a hacker
mentality. I'm sure Caldera is like a Red Hat for the install.
The easiest possible install for a Linux would be a variation of Slackware but
with one giant tarball on the CD that a script untars after manoeuvering to
the /mnt directory after fdisking and formatting. The fdisk will still have to
be manually done as with all OS installs. An install like this would be almost
as easy as a Packrat Bell Windows 95 "distribution".
Mandrake is definitely fucking up. If it keeps up, word will spread and
suddenly another dot.com is shuttered.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: ERIK FUNKENBUSH CAN'T TELL US ***WHAT*** .NET IS
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:00:22 GMT
"chrisv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> To you, sir, I say, "wake up and smell the coffee".
> >
> >BLACK HELIOCOPTERS! HERE THEY COME, RUN FOR COVER!
>
> Yep, we're all paranoid. Microsoft doesn't really want to monopolize
> things. They don't want to maximize the amount of money they make.
You make it to seem like they have a secret army that will invade
your house if you don't buy their products.
Give me a break. Go back to the looney bin where you came from.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: 13 Feb 2001 02:19:43 GMT
Bit Twister ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I feel like Mandrake hired a bunch of Micro$oft programmers.
MS-Mole(tm) v.1.0.0! We'll know an MS-Mole(tm) is operating when someone is
using Mandrake and gets a Blue Screen Of Death. That'll have to wait for
MS-Mole(tm) v.3.11 or Mole 95.
For a mole to make a BSOD, he'll have to get into the kernel source and add
some bugs pointing to a contrived blue screen of death then let the normal
people compile the tainted source to be shipped on the distro.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:04:37 GMT
"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:16:28 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:11:39 GMT, "Mike Byrns"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Linux implementations
> >> >are by definition "amateur" as they are done as a pastime rather than as a
> >> >profession.
> >>
> >> Then what's it say about MS's so-called "professional" programmers,
> >> that these "amateur" linux programmers stole 30% of MS's Server
> >> market? <chortle!>
> >
> >Even though I know you're just being facetious, to be completely
> >accurate, Linux stole market share from other Unixes. Windows'
> >market share hasn't declined, in fact continues to rise.
>
> I could argue with that - but it's more fun pointing out that you're
> saying that "professionally written" Windows NT wasn't able to grab
> that percentage of the market away from Unix, while "non-professional"
> linux was. :-)
But it has. It has grabbed a significant amount of server share from
Unix. When NT 4.0 was released, NT made up less than 2% of the
server market. It now makes up a majority, IIRC. If not, close to it.
There was, is, and always will be a strong Unix contingent just
because Unix admins are blockheads and refuse to use whatever's
best, only Unix. However, Linux is a suitable alternative, so
this is why Unix has made in-roads. It's not unix, but it's
close enough and it's a lot cheaper than Solaris or HP-UX.
-Chad
>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:07:29 GMT
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> > [snip]
> > I'm not sure exactly, however I have been hearing many reports about how
> > easily these crackers hacked roomfulls of Linux boxes in order to
> > facilitate these DDoS attacks. Since you all claim that Linux is so secure,
> > even out of the box, then I figured it must be a new feature that was
> > somehow left turned on.
> >
> > -Chad
>
>
> Well you'd better be the first to report this
> on the Kernel mailing list - 'cos I've seen no reports.
> Go on, have the glory...
>
> p.s.: BIND!=Linux
These reports were in major news papers and magazines including
Wall Street Journal, Wired, and ZDNet. A story by ZDnet estimated
the Linux portion of the DDoS network somewhere around 100% since
the software used was written specifically for Linux.
Now, unless you know of Universities that make policies to
allow rogue attacking software installed on their boxes, it's
logical to assume that most, if not all of those machines
were being used in an unauthorized fashion (e.g. cracked).
-Chad
p.s.: I never said bind was Linux.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:09:05 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:96998r$9v6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >But you are the exception to the norm. Even if there were a
> >thousand people like you, it still so insignificant as to be
> >almost not worth talking about. Less than one percent of one percent
> >or something like that.
>
> If a thousand people were less than one percent of one percent, then the
> total sample size would have to be larger than 10 million.
>
> Nice own goal, Chad :)
You proved my point for me. There are tens of millions of computer
users, of which only a couple hundred thousand are day-to-day
Linux users.
That's less than one percent of one percent. Even the more reason
to ignore the Penguinistas.
-Chad
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:30:08 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> There was, is, and always will be a strong Unix contingent just
> because Unix admins are blockheads and refuse to use whatever's
> best, only Unix. However, Linux is a suitable alternative, so
> this is why Unix has made in-roads. It's not unix, but it's
> close enough and it's a lot cheaper than Solaris or HP-UX.
I wish I had a copy of the Anna Kournikova worm handy. Dang.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: 13 Feb 2001 02:47:44 GMT
J Sloan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Chad doesn't like vi, but a lot of folks do.
I tried vi but didn't like it. I prefer "pico" instead, and after an install I
do a bit of file renaming to make pico the default editor instead of elvis.
It's a tradition, like how I do a source edit on international PGP to remove
the "i" from it. (you find the spot in pgp.c)
The vi editor isn't for everyone, that's for sure. Must be a Boolean love/hate
1/0 thing. People either love it or hate it. But if you like Linux and don't
like vi, there's no reason to complain. Just do the file rename trick to make
your favourite the default or edit the .login or .profile with the needed
setenv. (the latter being the better method)
Want to try something funny? Set up an anon remailer with the classic
remailer@* "forging" nobody@* but config the nobody account to be able to send
email. Then, when idiots send flames, you login as nobody and flame back! Note
that certain daemons need a "nobody" account without priviledges so you'll
have to modify them to use a different priviledge-free account.
The great thing about adminning your own UNIX system is you can config to
taste. Sure works with Linux.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: 13 Feb 2001 02:48:56 GMT
*Rotten_168* ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hey maybe this is a dumb question but is Debian available at stores? I
: still have a dialup so downloading a 1+ gig distro is out of the
: question.
Dumb question? I don't think so. Sounds completely relevant to your
situation.
>From http://www.debian.org/distrib/vendors: "Debian creates and provides
its entire distribution free of charge. Debian does not manufacture its
own CDs, but relies on 3rd party vendors. To make it easier for CD vendors
to provide a high quality disk we provide Official CD images for them.
This is the only version that has been fully tested by our testing team
and is by far the most popular way to buy Debian."
The page then lists a large number of retailers around the world that
carry Debian CD's. Personally, I've made purchases from CheapBytes
(http://www.cheapbytes.com/), and been very satisfied. They offer Debian
Potato for $9.99 US, plus shipping.
I will warn you that the official CD is not entirely up to date. This is
really a distribution that is meant to be kept up to date over the
internet. If you're on dial up, you can keep your potato (stable) system
up to date, with regards to security and bug fixes, no problem. But, if
you want to be a little more bleeding-edge and run woody (testing) or sid
(unstable), you're going to have to be patient. :)
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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From: "Joel Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:55:01 -0800
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a8744fa$0$73964$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> let me reply by simply quoting yourself back to yourself.
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:966pdg$em5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Not one of you statements has said anything about Linux making inroads
> > at the enterprise Level.
>
> I have heard NOTHING about linux making gains anywhere past the frustrated
> hobbyist level...
Yes, I was very frustrated when all I had was Windows. Now that I am using
Linux, (Mandrake 7.2), things are much better.
jbarntt
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: 13 Feb 2001 02:50:41 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:42:02 +0100, John Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Oh dear, have I not been quite academic enuff for you? Midnight
: >Commander is a Linux clone of an 80's MSDOS program 'Norton Commander'
: >(now Symantec). That's why I referred to it as a DOS program, because
: >it is. So please don't be so condescending.
: No, it's still a clueless comment.
It sure is.
: DOS Program != clone of DOS program.
Somehow, I don't think he calls Windows Explorer a Mac program.
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: 13 Feb 2001 02:54:39 GMT
sfcybear ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: So you live in a cave and never poke you head out. That is your problem.
If he lives in a cave, he probably has a fur coat... the kind that you can't
take off, that is. Sort of like Bigfoot.
--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Servers require Weekly Rebooting (Cool Microsoft FUD and Warner
research for your reading pleasure)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:58:53 GMT
hmmm, I am right again. no replies in 3 days.
Matthew Gardiner
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> I the question I want to know, if the clustering and load balancing is
> SOOOOO bad, then what the fork is Beowolf? a candy holder? the best
> part is, is that it is free, so much from Microsofts attempt at FUD.
> As for the CEO, why didn't they actually interview the persons
> involved with maintaining the servers. Clearly the CEO wouldn't know
> the difference between Microwave and Television.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> Adam Warner wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First up a little gem from April 2000: Did you realise you have to
>> reboot
>> Linux servers every week or two? In fact you need Windows 2000 to
>> solve your
>> reboot problems:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/guide/server/profiles/goinvest.asp
>>
>> "Supporting both the Linux and Microsoft� Windows NT� platforms was a
>> big
>> headache for Goinvest.com, an online content and applications
>> provider. The
>> company decided to standardize its server and desktop environments on
>> Windows� 2000 in order to have a single, reliable, easily supported, and
>> scalable platform."
>> ....
>>
>> "With Linux, we had to restart our servers on an average of once
>> every week
>> or two," says Fenley.
>>
>> [President and CEO of Goinvest.com]
>> ....
>>
>> "Scalability with Linux was difficult-we couldn't add and load balance
>> machines without additional load balancing hardware," Fenley says. "With
>> Windows 2000, whenever we start experiencing increased loads we can add
>> another box very quickly."
>>
>>
>> Cool. OK now some research. Check out the "Latest News and Press" at
>> goinvest.com:
>> http://www.goinvest.com/mods/gateway.cgi?code=00afe391&master_template=GI_ne
>>
>> ws_and_press.html
>>
>> (you might want to follow the link from the home page)
>>
>> If you have a windows box you would be able to check out the video
>> clip. In
>> it goinvest.com states (my transcript):
>>
>> "We currently get millions of hits on our charting package alone, and
>> on a
>> Apache/Linux mixture that would not be possible."
>>
>> The video _strongly_ promotes Microsoft solutions. It also promotes
>> Microsoft .NET
>>
>> Microsoft helped then design the entire data centre from scratch.
>>
>> Does this make you feel any differently about why the move to Windows
>> 2000
>> was made?:
>>
>> "Microsoft persuaded Goinvest.com Inc., a Santa Monica, Calif.,
>> company that
>> resells financial data and online analytical tools to banks, brokerage
>> firms, and Web portals, to dump its Linux servers and become a
>> Windows 2000
>> shop by giving the startup "six figures" worth of free software and
>> services, CEO Jeff Fenley says. That's a hefty incentive for a
>> company that
>> had no revenue last year and predicts only about $3 million in sales
>> this
>> year."
>>
>>
>> And even with all that free software and services, could goinvest.com
>> have
>> any regrets? Check out this page:
>> http://www.goinvest.com/mods/gateway.cgi?code=00afe391&master_template=GI_ne
>>
>> ws_and_press_infojune.html
>>
>> 'Despite the advantages, Gonvest.com is having second thoughts about
>> deploying everything on Windows, and it recently decided to build an
>> online
>> trading system on Java to cut the cost for customers that have
>> invested in
>> Solaris or Linux, Rashid says. "Microsoft can come in and provide you
>> with a
>> low-cost solution, and you definitely have a leg up from before when
>> you had
>> to buy your own transaction-processing monitor and message queue
>> [software]," he says. "It's great for companies that are starting up
>> to have
>> that integrated environment." But, Rashid adds, the need to customize
>> Microsoft products to work with customers' Solaris and Linux
>> environments
>> "holds you back as you grow."'
>>
>>
>>
>> And here's a community college gem (last updated 2 months ago:
>> November 13,
>> 2000):
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/education/beacon.asp
>>
>> "The school was also amongst the first to move to the highly touted
>> Linux
>> operating system."
>>
>> ....
>>
>> "But Adrian Evans - IT consultant on staff at the school - and the
>> administration knew that this infrastructure wasn't sufficient to
>> keep the
>> school in the forefront of IT use. In particular, the Linux Web server -
>> used as an external Internet proxy server, mail host and filtering
>> system -
>> made it difficult for teachers, students and administrators to create
>> and
>> post documents to the school's intranet, and to synchronize that site
>> with
>> the school's public Internet site.
>>
>> "To post a document to the intranet, users had to go to the network
>> directory, find a list of shares, go to the correct HTML directory,
>> and drag
>> files to the appropriate folder."
>>
>>
>> LOL. I'd advise you to keep reading--it gets better.
>>
>> Anyway, if you want to check out what the "forefront of IT use" looks
>> like,
>> surf over to Beacon Community College's brand new web site:
>>
>> http://www.beacon.e-sussex.sch.uk/
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adam
>>
>>
>
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