Linux-Advocacy Digest #160, Volume #35 Tue, 12 Jun 01 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (pip)
Re: Opera ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (pip)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Ed Allen)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rotten168)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (chrisv)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (chrisv)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:48:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:06:11 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
>wrote:
>
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
>
>>>>Well, I'm proud to be American.
>>>
>>>What is their to be proud of.
>>
>>Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
>>
>>[1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
>> an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
>
>What? Are you referring to how you went round driving people out of
>their homes, and skinning them alive etc?
All of these accomplishments might be taken either way, admittedly.
For example, we committed genocide on the Indians. Definitely
not something to be proud of.
Bear also in mind history is biased, as it is written by the winners.
Until that is rectified (how??), it's not clear any history books
will be totally accurate. (Forensics may be of some assistance.)
Had the Indians won, we might have a slightly different way of
looking at things, and I might not even exist. Doesn't bother me unduly.
>
>>[2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less simultaneously.
>
>Yeah, you sent a couple of men over to Europe after the Nazis were on
>their last legs, and then wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent
>women and children in Japan. Now THERE'S something to be proud of.
We helped wipe out hundreds of millions of Europeans, too.
Had we not gone to war, the Nazis would undoubtedly have
stabilized their kill rate, after wiping off the Jews.
:-)
Still, we could have entered the war earlier. In fact, it
might have been nice had we entered the war in 1915 instead
of 1941. (The Treaty of Versailles was in part responsible for
the rapid rise of Hitler, as it was a silly treaty -- and
required Germany to pay reparations for WWI, which led to
the Weimar Republic's collapse. At least, if my recollection
of history is correct.)
As for the Japanese: quick, pick one: did you want hundreds of
thousands of Japanese to die, or hundreds of thousands of Americans
and millions of Japanese, and a long, protracted invasion which
probably would have bored to tears most of the Americans on the
mainland and ultimately resulted in a Vietnam-like cessation?
Truman's decision was a very tough one, and he made it. I'm not
sure if there was a better one possible, unless the Japanese
decided to surrender unilaterally without intervention, of course.
At least they could save face this way by acknowledging that
America had an obviously superior weapon, and backing off in
light thereof. And yes, there was light. A lot of it.
So much so that some people were no more than shadows on the
nearest still-standing piece of rubble...
(From what little I know of Japan, it appears that there was some
factional infighting going on in there, regarding the best
method of continuing the war, whether to continue the war,
and whether the war is still going on, albeit economically rather
than by planes, guns, men, and tanks. Nowadays, of course,
the tools are primarily economic since that's what we left them with;
they're not allowed to have a standing army AFAIK. So we defend
them against attack. Our Tax Dollars At Work.)
>
>>[3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
>
>Which about 10% of your population benefit from.
If that.
At some point, I'm going to have to peruse www.census.gov or
some equivalent website for statistics relating to who
gets what on a yearly basis. I want to see how evil I really am.... :-)
>
>>[4] First man on the moon.
>
>Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
>large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
>to death across the world...
Admittedly, it felt good, and advanced to some extent in a minor
fashion the science of moon geology ("moonology?"). It might have
also advanced to some extent the spread of microelectronics.
But that's about it. Not sure if it was worth the hundreds of
millions or billions? we spent on it. I'm not sure the ISS and
the Space Shuttle are worth what we're spending on them now -- and
they're not required by the Constitution. (For that matter, neither
is the DEA or the DOE. One might make a case for the DOC.)
But it's hard to measure national pride at beating the U.S.S.R. :-)
And I do prefer tiny transistors to overheated vacuum tubes,
although the true audiophile might prefer the latter. It's claimed to
have a "warmer" sound -- presumably because a transistor likes to chop
off the heads of waveforms in a fairly violent fashion; :-) there's
also an interesting issue regarding PCM, which is used in today's
CD's, versus a more sophisticated technology which results in
better sound -- regrettably, I forget the acronym. But back
to history.
Nowadays, of course, the Cold War looks ridiculous; one hopes
that it stays that way -- as ancient history. But I have a feeling
the US will swallow the UN (probably over a pretext such as "getting
its moneys worth" for the backpayments it owes), and take over the
world, unilaterally introducing its quaint notions of "democracy"
and "freedom" onto the world -- which sounds fine until someone
looks at the inner workings thereof; for instance, some right-wingers
in the US would want the "freedom" to restrict women from having abortions,
and the "freedom" to restrict exports of cryptographic algorithms.
This in the next 50 years or so. The US will then start to self-destruct;
this might take 200 or so years.
Another possible scenario is that the US will go "true communist" on
a very massive scale, helped along by information technology that
would make George Orwell look like Pollyanna. You've heard of the
military-industrial complex? Make way for the security-counterespionage
complex! Video phones make very nice spy cams, especially when
integrated into a bed and undetectably left on (quick, does your VCR
shut off *all* power to its microelectronics? Probably not -- it has
to keep its clock running...it could have a mike on, as well).
And of course the modern home will want a videophone on or in every wall.
The modern business will monitor the keystrokes of each and every
employee -- some are already doing this -- and have cameras and
sound detectors and all that, under the guise of security, mostly
for auditing purposes as opposed to catching the culprit red-handed
(they'd love that, but anyone can catch a culprit; it takes work to
prove that he was the right one).
And everyone will have a Universal Identity Card, and live happily
ever after. ("Happily" is defined by the government, of course.)
No, I'm not a doomsday prophet. This is a random guess, really, but
it's substantiated by my knowledge -- and it is limited -- by various
things, such as ancient Rome, which scaled great heights and then
fell into barbarism, 4 centuries or so later; it was held together
at the end of its reign by baling wire, bits of chewing gum, and,
strangely enough, Christianity. Without more substantiation, my
drivel is no better than, say, Nostradamus. :-) But I do worry.
Of course, the fact that I have a taped set of Patrick McGoohan's
_The Prisoner_ probably doesn't help, either... :-) Many of those
technologies are possible now.
And then there's China, the wildcard in this equation. If it wakes up,
we might have another Cold War scenario. Or we may have a synergistic
economic partner which more than doubles or triples the world's GDP.
I just don't know at this point.
>
>>>>You can say what you want, but America rockz. That isn't to say
>>>>that other nations don't rock also, but for different reasons.
>>>
>>>Yeah, other countries have personal freedom.
>>
>>Some other countries might. It is not clear, for instance, whether
>>Cuba has such.
>
>But most other developed countries have more relaxed laws than
>America. For instance, in most countries you can look at a woman
>without being sued for sexual harassment.
Unless that woman is required to be covered from head to toe, perhaps.
It's a mixed bag. I certainly hope the Taleban isn't the future for
all mankind.
--
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EAC code #191 43d:11h:29m actually running Linux.
Microsoft. Just when you thought you were safe.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:53:31 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
> I have a slight irrational disrespect for BASIC programmers, but I try
> not to let it show.
How can you say that after using the cherished BBC basic ????? !!!!!
?????
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:51:45 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "flatfish+++"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:20:11 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> I've seen Netscape take linux down Ed but it wasn;t a kernel panic. I
>>> just got into a state where everything locked up and I couldnt get
>>> into any of my virtual consoles.
>>
>>I've never seen that happen , but I'm willing to believe it.
>
> Older versions of Netscape used to have some kind of memory leak problem
> that would on occasion take over the entire system and that was usually
> the end of the rope. Fix was to limit memory allowed to Netscape.
Fair enough. It's not called nutscrape for nothing...
> Also, I haven't had that problem at all with newer versions of Netscape.
>
> What I don't like about Netscape is that if it goes out to load say a
> slow loading page, or maybe a page that isn't there, many times it locks
> up until it times out and hitting the stop button has no effect.
>
> Also scrolling down a page while it is loading sometimes works and other
> times doesn't.
>
> As far as stability is concerned though it seems pretty good lately.
it's quirky, but the more recent versions work pretty relaibly.
-ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:53:03 +0100
In article <3b263ea1$0$94314$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <3b2612aa$0$94313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad
>> Myers"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> <snip>
>> >
>> > It's not quite the same. You don't have rabid moronic Windows
>> > guerillas who set up web sites to flame Linux....<rest snipped for
>> > comic effect>
>>
>> Oh no?
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/news/msnw/LinuxMyths.asp
>
> Exactly what I'm talking about. Penguinistas are so far removed with the
> truth, that when smacked by it, they think it's flaming.
You mean you believe it?
LOL!
-Ed
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:57:26 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
> > I can't comment on Perl as I think it is deeply evil so my comments may
> > be irrational.
>
> Which text processing language do you use?
BASH scripts? :) (works for me)
I am sure text processing languages are very fine things - I just don't
seem to get on with them very well.
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:55:40 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:09:46 +0100,
> pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Terry Porter wrote:
<snip>
>>> Hey Pip, which version of Gnome are you reffering to ?
>>>
>>> I really like Gnome, tho the version that came with Mandrake7.1 was
>>> too unstable for me, suffering the odd WM freeze :(
>>>
>>> Any advice re production suitability for Gnome ?
>>
>> Which ever version came with RH7 and RH7.1.
>
> Cool, then I'm off to get RH7.1 and give it a go.
>
>
>> Anyway, by your tone I can tell you disagree - and I am not saying that
>> you are not correct - just that in my experience it is fine for me (RH
>> 6.2 Gnome version was crap). Anyway there is KDE for you, so everyone
>> is happy.
>
> Actually I'm not disagreeing, I'm wondering if I had a version that was
> uncommonly unstable etc.
>
> I *LOVE* the Gnome interface, and will be very happy with it when its
> stable.
>
> Please forgive me if my tone was otherwise than that of a Linux user
> wanting feedback from someone who's using a stable version of Gnome :)
>
> As regards KDE, I just wont use it, as I'm a GPL purist (don't beat me,
> its a ideological issue).
>
I don't know if it is 1.4 that ships with Red Hat, but it is what I use,
and I haven't had major stability problems yet. The occasional
application crashes yes, but the Gnome desktop itself is stable enough
for day to day use. One hint though, if you are going to use Nautilus,
upgrade it to 1.03, as that one is a little more stable, and has a few
essential usability fixes.
Mart
--
Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it's all the same to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split, The Ace Of Spades
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:58:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:33:59 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>drsquare wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
>>
>> >>>Well, I'm proud to be American.
>> >>
>> >>What is their to be proud of.
>> >
>> >Let me count the ways. Some of these are of course ancient, but...
>> >
>> >[1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
>> > an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
>>
>> What? Are you referring to how you went round driving people out of
>> their homes, and skinning them alive etc?
>>
>> >[2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less
>> >simultaneously.
>>
>> Yeah, you sent a couple of men over to Europe after the Nazis were on
>> their last legs, and then wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent
>> women and children in Japan. Now THERE'S something to be proud of.
>>
>> >[3] One of the highest GDP/capita in the world.
>>
>> Which about 10% of your population benefit from.
>>
>> >[4] First man on the moon.
>>
>> Wow, you spend billions of tax payers money on taking someone to a
>> large piece of rock, acheiving what? Meanwhile, children are starving
>> to death across the world...
>
>Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
Because we have the surplus food and the Netherlands does not.
Simple enough, I would think. :-)
Of course, I would hope that we start setting up things with
the Russians to increase their grain production (for a cut of
the profits, of course). That would help in feeding them,
increasing their vodka production, and indirectly feeding
the entire world.
Ditto for the Chinese, although I don't think they have as much
of a problem.
>
>
>>
>> >>>You can say what you want, but America rockz. That isn't to say
>> >>>that other nations don't rock also, but for different reasons.
>> >>
>> >>Yeah, other countries have personal freedom.
>> >
>> >Some other countries might. It is not clear, for instance, whether
>> >Cuba has such.
>>
>> But most other developed countries have more relaxed laws than
>> America. For instance, in most countries you can look at a woman
>> without being sued for sexual harassment.
>
>I think you must have been watching too much TV.
No, he's right. A woman can sue here for almost any reason; check the
job laws. In most cases, this is regarded as a good thing.
--
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EAC code #191 43d:12h:41m actually running Linux.
We were born naked, but we don't usually die naked. Why?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:59:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:04:55 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On 12 Jun 2001 10:41:55 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:40:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>>> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine))
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Some other countries might. It is not clear, for instance, whether
>>>>Cuba has such.
>>>
>>>But most other developed countries have more relaxed laws than
>>>America. For instance, in most countries you can look at a woman
>>>without being sued for sexual harassment.
>>
>>Not to mention most civilised countries allow 19 year old adults to drink
>>margaritas with their Mexican mush if they want to.
>
>Never mind Bush, they may as well bring back Hitler and be done with
>it.
The trains did run on time... :-)
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:01:04 GMT
In article <9g4e7k$i4n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ayende Rahien <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <befV6.15346$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >I still don't get where you got this from. No one is saying that
>> >64-bit won't catch on eventually, we were just saying it won't
>> >be immediate. Just like people didn't jump to 32-bit immediately.
>> >Many of the first apps for Win95 were still 16-bit. It'll just take
>> >awhile.
>> >
>>
>> Intel released the 386 in October of 1985. MS released "Chicago"
>> (Win95) in August of 1995.
>>
>> The "jump", more like "ooze", to 32 bits took these rapid innovators
>> over nine years.
>>
>> Why should we expect the "jump" to 64 bits should happen any faster ?
>
>Because MS has OS to those 64bits chips that actually uses 64bits?
>Don't underestimate the power of the most common OS.
They claimed that they had 32 bits before 95 but that it was not
"complete". Now they have 64 bits but it is not "complete".
What's the difference ? And if they begin saying it is "complete"
now, why should we believe convicted criminals ?
It is not like they have never maintained lies for years before
abandoning, never admitting, them.
>
>Why weren't there any DOS clones for 386 that worked on 32bits?
>
Caldera patched around the AARD code and 95 ran fine on top of
DRDOS. It was entered as evidence to the court. That is part of
the reason MS did not allow it to get before a jury. They would not
have been able to mislead the jury into a side question like they
did in the Bristol case because they were on record in the documents
collected for the case as saying that what Caldera did could not
possibly work. Working code exposed that lie.
So the reason is that MS illegally "cut off their air supply" by
changing the startup sequence to detect them and refuse to continue
loading.
They were willing to pay at least $200 million dollars to avoid a
conviction which would make the existence of 3.1/3.11/95/98/ME evidence
of continual illegal activity.
US courts, and the citizens, do not usually allow valuables obtained
via criminal activity to enrich the lives of the criminals.
Compared to having the entire company confiscated, NT was developed
with some of those ill gotten funds, even a billion would have been
cheap so they paid Caldera to drop the case.
--
Microsoft is trying to add to the list of biggest lies of all time:
"Hi. I'm from Microsoft and I am here to protect you from the threat of
the GPL."
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:02:59 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > > I like SANE people. Most black people I know are sane (unlike you).
> > > > Gays are suicidal, which is not sane.
> > >
> > > Actually you may be right there. Young gay men are having unprotected
> > > sex at an extremely high and foolish rate, which is suicide. But it
> > > doesn't have to be that way.
> >
> > However, unfortunately, in the US, they simply try to apply the same logic
> > from hetrosexual sex education and information to the gay community. Here in
> > New Zealand, the government gives money to the gay community organisation in
> > charge of sex education and information, and since then, the number of
> > aids/hiv cases has gone down dramatically, simply by listening to the
> > targeted group, rather than trying to use cheap generalisations to create a
> > framework. Europe is another example of governments addressing the issue
> > instead of ducking the issue, as the US has done for the last 15 years
> > because it doesn't win votes.
> >
> > Regarding Aarons comment, "Gays are suicidal", that is correct, they have a
> > higher rate of depression due to people like Aaron making sweaping
> > generalisations and prejudice in the work force and in the community. I
> > have, on several occasions helped people in that position (nearing suicide),
> > and unlike Aaron, I don't need to be prejudice to prove that I am
> > hetrosexual.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
>
> I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just goddamned sick and tired of
> every loser in this country fucking up their life....all on their own,
> and then whining and whining until the fool assholes in Congress say,
> "There, there....have some of the TAXPAYER'S MONEY...", taking even
> more out of my pocket.
Good point actually and I agree. But gays aren't asking Congress for
money. People are asking for AIDS research money, but AIDS affects
everyone, not just homosexuals.
But, it's all about personal responsibility, yes.
> Enough of this nonsense.
>
> Screw them. In this day and age, if you have AIDS, you're an idiot,
> and should be just lined up against the wall and shot, just on principle,
> for being such a fucking dumbass.
You have a tendency to make a good point and then blow your foot off
with stupid bigoted assertions. This is one of them.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:06:13 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
>> an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
>
>What? Are you referring to how you went round driving people out of
>their homes, and skinning them alive etc?
>
>>[2] Helped defeat the Nazis *and* the Japanese, more or less simultaneously.
>
>Yeah, you sent a couple of men over to Europe after the Nazis were on
>their last legs, and then wiped out hundreds of thousands of innocent
>women and children in Japan. Now THERE'S something to be proud of.
You see, you lose all credibility with statements like this. It only
shows you to be totally ignorant of history, or that your just an
anti-american a-hole, or, more likely, both.
Try to choose your battles. Not everything about America is bad,
obviously.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:07:28 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said drsquare in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:17:23
> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 06:11:22 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > (T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >>Said drsquare in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:02:10
> >>>On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:34:24 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >
> >>>>AFAIK, you are the only one to mention saluting anything.
> >>>
> >>>You knew what he meant.
> >>
> >>Yes, I did. Did you know what I meant? That seems more doubtful.
> >
> >Not if you continue to word things so badly.
>
> I'm sorry if you're insulted, but I have to point out that the problem
> is on your end. You are confused and muddle-headed. That is not my
> fault. It is, however, my problem, and I will try to help. Ask
> questions, and stop avoiding logical fallacies.
>
> Here, this might help: http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm
>
> [...]
> >In Holland they get personal freedom. Unlike the US.
>
> Please explain.
Drugs, alcohol, sex; things are MUCH more libertarian (freedom) in
Denmark than in the US. It's all about personal responsibility.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:09:52 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Typical American attitude. Let the children starve to death whilst we
>send pieces of metal into space for fun.
Typical Dutch attitude. Blame someone else for all the world's
problems.
Sounds like a severe case of jealously, to me. (Gee, I wonder if
he'll deny it.)
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