Linux-Advocacy Digest #160, Volume #33 Wed, 28 Mar 01 16:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (Chad Everett)
Re: OSX Links - (Tony Tribelli)
Re: Linux dying (WesTralia)
Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2) ("Scot Mc Pherson")
Re: Linux dying (WesTralia)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (chrisv)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (Jerome Buyle)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: communism (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (SamanthaJoy)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (Chad Everett)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Michael Marion)
Re: Why can't we just all be friends? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (Chad Everett)
Re: OSX Links - (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (Michael Marion)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Brian Rourke)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Brian Rourke)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Roberto Alsina)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:08:58 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:38:49 +0200, Wilbert Kruithof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hello!
>
>The only thing I am asking for is an answer to above question. *What* way is
>Open Source developing?
>
Open.
>And is there a connection between Darwins theory and the way Open Source is
>developing??
>
No. Darwin's theory was that new species are created through a mechanism of random
mutations
preserved or destroyed by natural selection, without intelligent design. Open Source
developing
is a method used in Software Engineering (i.e. intelligent design).
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Subject: Re: OSX Links -
From: Tony Tribelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:13:09 GMT
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SamanthaJoy wrote:
>> And Apple has contributed the first consistant user interface for UNIX.
>
> Actually, that would only become a contribution if and only if Apple
> decides to license its GUI to the Unix community, or better yet, open
> source its GUI ...
Untrue. AT&T and UC Berkeley pioneered and developed working concepts and
APIs that Linux reimplements. Many GUIs available on Linux at the moment are
reimplementing concepts that Apple pioneered and developed. MacOS X provides
even more to reimplement. The working concepts and models copied by the open
source community are very important contributions.
Tony
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:15:08 -0600
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "WesTralia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Everett wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:54:12 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course, none of Microsoft's HailStorm and .NET strategies have
> anything
> > > >> at all to do with providing users with better products or computing power
> > > >> and use, it's all about getting more control to Microsoft.
> > > >
> > > >WATCH OUT! HERE COME THE BLACK HELIOCOPTERS!
> > > >
> > > >> Will .NET benefit users: no.
> > > >
> > > >Let's see, getting real time flight information, being able to notify
> > > >my loved ones 30 minutes before I land so that they can come pick me up,
> > > >being instant messaged when I'm outbid on an auction, getting real-time
> > > >customer support chat with an American Express customer support
> > > >representative...
> > > >nah, that doesn't benefit the consumers at all!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > This is taken directly from microsoft.com and it's .NET hype pages:
> > >
> > > " Activities that are still hard now-like reconciling statements
> > > from a number of different banks, credit-card companies, and billing
> > > agents so that you can pay your bills and file your expense reports-will
> > > become much easier as user data can be linked across sites and applications.
> > > ...Their data will live securely on the Internet."
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > Now really, does the idea of putting all your banking, credit-card,
> > > social-security, etc. info to live "securely on the Internet" (i.e.Microsoft
> > > hard drive somewhere), really sound like a good idea to you? How about
> > > just giving that information to me. I'll take good care of it. Honest.
> >
> >
> > Microsoft is just an outright riot! These people know nothing about
> > network security and they want people to put personal data on the Internet!
>
> Please show where MS's databases have been compromised.
>
> Until then, please stop talking from your ass.
>
Now Chad, everyone knows that some Russians broke into the MS corporate
network and stole code. You know, *CODE*, the precious gem of Microsoft,
the Holy Grail!
If MS cannot protect their life blood, then are they going to really
put out MORE effort in protecting little ol' me?
I would be flattered if they did, but I am not holding my breath. I
advise you to do the same.
--
-wt
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From: "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:23:42 GMT
I definately agree with John's RedHat already installed statement. If you
have ANY working version of linux running on your systems, it would not make
sense to re-install the same distro let alone change to a vastly different
distribution. Once a system is up and running and has been configured for
use, you end up create a LOT of work for yourself by starting again. Sure
you back some stuff up and restore, and that might be fine for same distro
re-install, but changing distros makes that task just as hard as restoring
the configuration manually.
I also wouldn't suggest switching from ANY distro to SuSE on a production
box that has any level of time invested in it...Including as limited as a
few days. Its just often a risk of creating a LOT of work.
On the other hand, if you DO have RedHat and you are buying a NEW machine
with a brand new install and never been configured...YES is would suggest
that you buy SuSE, Debian or Slackware, but I wouldn't suggest RedHat7 at
the moment...Perhaps when they get it patched up nicely and back into LBS. I
happen to like RedHat up to version 6.2.
--
Scot Mc Pherson
N27� 19' 56"
W82� 30' 39"
"John Hong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:99tbfd$31n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Whats wrong with paying for SuSE Linux? Geeze, what are you? a cheap
skate?
>
> There is nothing wrong with paying for SuSE. I'm simply stating
> that if one is already familiar with Red Hat/Mandrake than you might not
> find the investment worth it since it is still just Linux anyways.
>
> >no wonder investers are werry about investing in Linux business with
lusers
> >like you too tight to part with $US50.
>
> You are damn right I have a problem with paying $50 for something
> that I know I can get elsewhere for virtually free.
>
> >Also, there is a lot of proprietry software included with SuSE Linux's
> >Distro, for example, the configuration tool (Yast2 and Yast1) are not
open
> >source, also, there is some other packages that can't be freely
distributed.
> >So, before you open your big gob, survey the situation first.
>
> I have. Yast is nice. If you were to kindly actually read my
> whole post you would have found that I said there was nothing wrong with
> SuSE. They do have a good distribution. But if you already familar with
> Red Hat/Mandrake, again, I'll say again you may not find spending the
> money on SuSE to be worth it when you could get it the same for almost
> free.
> Perhaps it is you who should survey the situation first, as in my
> post, before opening *your* big gob.
>
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:19:24 -0600
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "WesTralia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Will .NET benefit users: no.
> > >
> > > Let's see, getting real time flight information, being able to notify
> > > my loved ones 30 minutes before I land so that they can come pick me up,
> > > being instant messaged when I'm outbid on an auction, getting real-time
> > > customer support chat with an American Express customer support
> > > representative...
> > > nah, that doesn't benefit the consumers at all!
> > >
> >
> >
> > Psssssssst... Mr Myers... all that technology is already in place and
> > available, today!
>
Well, you have sort of reworded your original, but here goes.
> Psst: no it isn't.
>
> Please show me where I can have my relatives instant messaged when my
> plane is nearing landing.
>
telephone
> Please show me where I can get real time chat with a customer support
> rep from a major company from MY messenger, not their chumpy web site
> chat.
>
telephone
> Please show me where I can get eBay or another auction site to instant
> message me when I've been outbid, or I can check my bids right from
> one location without having to go their web site?
>
telephone
> Please show me where all this infrastructure for businesses to work
> together to provide a single point for the consumer to work with them.
> Where is this framework?
>
telephone
> There is none. MS .NET, Sun One, and IBM's WebServices are all in development
> and MS has the head start.
>
> -c
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:30:16 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Then why didn't you jump when I told you to do so?
OUTED! LOL!
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:32:17 GMT
On Wed 28 Mar 2001 12:39, Chad Myers wrote:
[Snip]
>>
>> Thats what I thought. I had an older distro on my box but an app in X
>> froze up, so I alt-F1 to get a virtual terminal, logged in as root, did
>> a ps -ax and found the ID of that process and killed it. Logged out of
>> root, did an alt-F(?) (forgot) and back in to my original X gui and
>> everything was back again. Its one of the best features I've found and
>> not in any other O/S that I know of.
>
> Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes, it's usually a complete system
> freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
>
> -c
>
Bullshit, Chad. Now, granted, if it is an application that snags keyboard
control, especially a DGA program (mostly games), things get really icky at
the console. But, in >99.9% of X crashes, the kernel is still running
untouched in the background, and all you have to do is SSH (ooh, scary!)
into the "crashed" box and kill X manually. Your video card registers will
almost certainly be corrupted, but you can start a new, pristine X from SSH
with "unset DISPLAY; startx -- :0" (if you use startx) or waiting for XDM
to respawn (if you don't use startx). You'll eventually need to reboot
if you want the text mode console to work again, but the unaffected systems
will be in perfect running order until then, since X is entirely a
userspace program.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Jerome Buyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:34:50 +0200
Well, well, well...
I came to this channel expecting some fun posts, but this is rather pathetic...
I'm an MCSE and a Linux advocacy at the same time (yes, you got this right). The
only thing I can tell you is that there's an awesome lot of Linux zaelots who
haven't used anything else than Windows 9x at home for games. Then again, I can
tell you there are even more Windows "admins" out there who have never seen what
Unix is like !
I guess everybody in this damn f****** chanel should get a class in
open-mindedness !!!
Don't botter to write back, for I'm now coming back here...
Chad Myers a �crit :
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > >
> > > Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:16:29
> > > >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >> Chad Myers wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >> > So, if a user on *nix saves an attachment and runs it and it has
> > > >> > a trojan in it, they somehow are magically unaffected by the trojan?
> > > >>
> > > >> No, it would not. The standard users permissions are in effect at the
> > > >> time of the download. So even if the trojan tried to do the most
> > > >> damaging thing "to format the hard drive" the trojan would be given
> > > >> "permission denied".
> > > >
> > > >And this is the same in Windows.
> > >
> > > No, its not.
> > >
> > > >> Mind you, that minor damage could be done to the
> > > >> standard user account in doing "rm *" or some other form, not all files
> > > >> will be affected. Under Win9x a trojan could very easily destroy the
> > > >> entire local system.
> > > >
> > > >Win9x sucks, though, we've already established that. That's why MS is
> > > >ditching it and going with WinXP which is based on the NT/2K kernel.
> > >
> > > Yes, but we've already established that NT, 2K, and XP all suck, too.
> > > That's the problem.
> > >
> > > --
> > > T. Max Devlin
> > > *** The best way to convince another is
> > > to state your case moderately and
> > > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
> >
> > Just refering to win9x series... I claim here as I have earlier that I
> > don't know anything about NT. I leave that to others. But, considering
> > MS track record of reliability, their credibility is in grave doubts
> > here.
>
> This is the biggest problem with most linvocates or Unixvocates.
> They have never used anything but Win3.x or Win9x which all are DOS
> based crap.
>
> NT and 2000 are far superior and have a much superior security model
> than Linux. They have superior scalability and SMP support, not to
> mention speed and throughput on the network.
>
> Windows 2000 has awesome reliability and availability. I have seen
> hundreds of deployments and ever only saw one or two BSODs or show
> stoppers on my own home machine when I was messing around with
> beta video drivers.
>
> I've heard that Windows XP goes even further than that. Beta 2
> which is out now is supposedly rock solid and has had no showstoppers
> discovered in the past couple builds. All the "bugs" are related
> to massive enterprise deployments of complex integrated directory
> systems using ADS.
>
> -c
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:35:50 GMT
On Wed 28 Mar 2001 12:41, Chad Myers wrote:
[Snip]
>
> Umm, then you should pull your head from the sand. I think you're
> still living in the Win95 days when Windows was crap.
>
> A lot has happened since then. Windows 2000 never crashes, and neither
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> does the WinXP beta.
>
[Snip]
I have one thing to say: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Granted, this is
a driver problem and not the Win2K kernel itself, but Linux has no such
issues with the same Creative Labs SB PCI 128 sound card. To say that
Win2K *never* crashes is a blatant lie...
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:37:17 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:46:41 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Name one Communist regime which doesn't have a history of shooting
> >political opponents, and you *might* have an argument.
>
> Salvador Allende in Chile. Freedom of press, he was a communist, and IIRC,
> the ones who encouraged rounding and killing people was the US, through
> Kissinger, when he gave support to Pinochet's coup.
>
In western Europe (which I'm more familiar with) you have
governments with communist members in the following nations:
(quoting by memory and forgetting a lot) Sweden, United
Kingdom, France, Italy. In the past they've been also in
Spain, Portugal and Greece. No shooting of political
opponents have been carried out, up to now.
The only European nation where political opponents are
unsafe is Turkey, which has a right wing government
supported by the US, and which other european countries are
unwilling to accept in EU, because of lack of elementary
civil rights.
[snip]
--
Giuliano Colla
Before activating the tongue, make sure that the brain is
connected (anonymous)
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From: SamanthaJoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing?
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:44:25 -0600
Wilbert Kruithof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why does opensource exist...
> The only thing I am asking for is an answer to above question. *What* way
> is
> Open Source developing?
It's pretty clear that OSX is where the UNIX community will gravitate as
we go forward. Even the use of the word "Darwin" was well planned by
Apple.
All linux/unix code now has a stable base of hardware on which to write
for... Before OSX, it was a poor mixture of intel hardware so it never
took off to any large degree... Now programmers don't have to worry
about the hardware present or the GUI. Everything just works, which will
be a real boon to linux/unix developers.
All the elements are here:
http://dryden.biol.yorku.ca/darwin.html
> And is there a connection between Darwins theory and the way Open Source
> is developing??
Yes, as we move from a "hobbyist" os (linux) to a more commercial
application (OSX) we'll see Darwin's ideas apply to the software world
just like it does in the hardware/software/mixture world. OSX is the
first large scale distrubution of UNIX so it packs the "biggest animal
in the land" punch... SAMI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:13:54 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:39:13 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Of course, 99% of the time when X freezes, it's usually a complete system
^^^^^^^^^
>freeze and ALT+F1 doesn't do anything.
>
You misspelled "BSOD".
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:28:28 GMT
Brian Rourke wrote:
> If Apple and Microsoft can make installation easier, why not emulate
> that? Wouldn't you agree that easy installation is better than hard
> installation?
You should try a Solaris install onto a Sparc then. I've _never_ seen one
fail (short of a hardware failure of course). The installation for Solaris 8
is extremely simple, and you can even browse the net in a hotjava window while
it's installing. :)
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
SYSTEM ALERT: /dev/null is full. Please delete any unnecessary files.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why can't we just all be friends?
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:36:33 +1200
Chad Everett wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:42:29 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >So, what's your point? Remember this phrase:
> >
> >"Religion is the opium of the people" ---- Karl Marx
> >
> >In a nut shell, "stop living in a world of fantasy, and get back to
> >concentrating on what is important on earth, in this life"
> >
>
> In a nut shell, "Matthew Gardiner is living in a fantasy world. One in
> which can't quote a historical figure correctly". - Everett
Please, where is your proof? Whilst at college I was studying religion, and in the
area of atheism, Karl Marx was one person who disagreed with the over powering
influence the church had in peoples lives. If you look at the industrial
revolution, the upper class used it (the church) as a tool to ensure that the populist
never erupted. Hence, he believed that until the populist was weened off Religion,
mankind would never reach its full potential. Hence the reason why he (Karl Marx) saw
religion as the drug of the people, the populist was too worried about getting into
heaven instead of worrying about what is actually important, and that is, what is
happening on earth, in this life.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:45:00 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:41:09 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Umm, then you should pull your head from the sand. I think you're
>still living in the Win95 days when Windows was crap.
>
Why couldn't you have admitted this 4 years ago?
>A lot has happened since then. Windows 2000 never crashes, and neither
>does the WinXP beta.
>
Never? Explain this then:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q264/9/59.asp
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OSX Links -
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:43:04 +1200
I've got a Sun Blade 100 (4 USB Ports, 2 Firewire, 1 Parallel, a VGA out, a
serial port and assorted audio ouputs) right here, and believe me, it would
kick and iMac any day of the week. Personally, I think that eventually Apple
will move off PPC. I would like to see then adopt the Ultra Sparc processor
(IIe in the low end, III in the high end),they have the benefit of not
needing a fan (my sun Blade 100 Processor just has a heat sink), 64 bit
processing, a costantly evolving processor that is inter-compatible with old
software, and unlike Itanium, they run 32bit programs at full speed.
Matthew Gardiner
SamanthaJoy wrote:
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually, that would only become a contribution if and only if Apple
> > decides to license its GUI to the Unix community, or better yet, open
> > source its GUI. One possible contribution to the open source community
> > is that Apple has done the bulk of the work of porting the FreeBSD
> > kernel to the MAC/PPC platform. Well, that would only matter if the
> > FreeBSD team ever wanted to port their OS to MAC/PPC. There's a good
> > possibility, though, that they would just take some examples from NetBSD
> > instead of Darwin.
>
> Somewhat true... but I see a fairly large migration of Linux code
> directly to OSX since there is a "true market"... not a limited "closet
> server opportunity".
>
> It's fair to say, OSX will be the main distro of UNIX within the year,
> just by the shear size of Apple's channel... a million units every 100
> days is very interesting if your into the worldwide view.
>
> I agree that if/when the Aqua GUI is opensourced it will increase the
> opportunities at the low end/wintel space... but even Apple's offering's
> at $799 with full firewire, 100BaseT, cdr, usb and fine quality monitor
> runs circles around what SUN is able to offer at this point and time.
>
> http://www.apple.com/imac
>
> I think we are starting to see an "earthquake" in computing... SAMI
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:49:58 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
> YOU check google - then spend time on the tivo avs forum and read ALL about
> how it happens.
As a Tivo owner (I've bought 4 myself.. 2 as gifts and 1 was eventually given
as a gift when I upgraded) and linux user, I can admit that yes, mine does
pause now and then (perhaps 4 times over 4 or so hours some nights), and it's
so fast it's barely noticable. However, it never paused until after I hacked
my unit. I added a 60Gig disk into mine (and replaced the A drive with a copy
for backup purposes). This was something I knew could happen, but I had a
choice... and the ability to hack Tivos is one of the strong points of the
unit. It's great to know that I can do it again in the future and add a
larger disk if I wanted to. I've also found that operation of the unit is
rock solid.. I'm up over 60 days now (pic from early last week:
http://miguelito.org/tivo/sys_info_uptime.jpg). The uptime would be more, but
I had to move all my AV stuff to put my new DVD player into it's spot. Also,
I have only seen one crash which occurred after the hack, and when I tried to
triple fast forward live TV... which has never caused another issue, but I
think I pushed the button 3 times before the IR reading process was awakened
by the scheduler.. plus it was doing the phone call at the same time).
I've also been able to do much of the other hacking stuff: Bash prompt on the
serial port, added logging info (see pics on my site if you want), etc.
I wouldn't trade my Tivo for anything now. I'm more then willing to trade
occasional pauses and the hackability of the unit for the ease of use and
flexibility that Tivo gives over a VCR...
Anyone want to guess if the UTV units will be hackable for those that dare?
I'd bet against it.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell running on top of an
8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a
2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition.
-Rev. Pee Kitty, on Windows 95
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From: Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:02:17 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:28:28 GMT, Michael Marion
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Brian Rourke wrote:
>
>> If Apple and Microsoft can make installation easier, why not emulate
>> that? Wouldn't you agree that easy installation is better than hard
>> installation?
>
>You should try a Solaris install onto a Sparc then. I've _never_ seen one
>fail (short of a hardware failure of course). The installation for Solaris 8
>is extremely simple, and you can even browse the net in a hotjava window while
>it's installing. :)
Now that's the idea. :)
Brian
The late spring sunshine flooded,
like a bursted tepid star,
the pink Boulevard. The people
beneath crawled like wounded insects
of cloth.
Wyndham Lewis
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From: Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:03:41 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:51:46 GMT, Giuliano Colla
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Brian Rourke wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>>
>> Sounds like you had a fun day.
>>
>
>Sort of the fun you had installing your Linux!
>But once it's over you feel good.
Now that is very true. As irritating as stuff like this can be,
there's nothing quite like the way it feels when it's fixed.
Brian
The late spring sunshine flooded,
like a bursted tepid star,
the pink Boulevard. The people
beneath crawled like wounded insects
of cloth.
Wyndham Lewis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: 28 Mar 2001 20:54:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:02:17 -0700, Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:28:28 GMT, Michael Marion
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Brian Rourke wrote:
>>
>>> If Apple and Microsoft can make installation easier, why not emulate
>>> that? Wouldn't you agree that easy installation is better than hard
>>> installation?
>>
>>You should try a Solaris install onto a Sparc then. I've _never_ seen one
>>fail (short of a hardware failure of course). The installation for Solaris 8
>>is extremely simple, and you can even browse the net in a hotjava window while
>>it's installing. :)
>
>
>Now that's the idea. :)
Well, there's linux distros where you can play tetris (and pacman
in the new one?) while installing :-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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