Linux-Advocacy Digest #189, Volume #33 Fri, 30 Mar 01 07:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better (Nick
Condon)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better (Nick
Condon)
Re: Linux dying (Craig Kelley)
Linus for a 386???? (BoogerT)
Earn some money with Linux ("Benjamin Lvovsky")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: [Fwd: Piracy???? (KMM187962C0KM)] ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Some OS security thoughts ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: For when Linux developers get bored (news item) (Charles Packer)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better (Nick
Condon)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:08:57 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>When he mentioned perl, in the context of the web, I assumed he is talking
>about using Perl with CGI, to produce webpages.
The Web is not the Internet and Perl is not CGI. I use perl nearly
everyday, it's my primary development tool and I almost never code CGIs.
>What do you mean, Perl is the glue?
"The ... real job of activating the Internet belongs to Perl, a language
that is all but invisible to the world of professional technology analysts
but looms large in the mind of anyone -- webmaster, system administrator or
programmer -- whose daily work involves building custom web applications or
gluing together programs for purposes their designers had not quite
foreseen. As Hassan Schroeder, Sun's first webmaster, remarked: Perl is the
duct tape of the Internet."
http://perl.oreilly.com/news/importance_0498.html
--
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:12:15 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> The four most critical
>> pieces of infrastructure that make the Internet work are BIND [Berkeley
>> Internet Name Daemon], Perl, Sendmail, and Apache. Everyone of them is
>free
>> software.
>
>You mean DNS, CGI (why is this an infrastructure?), SMTP, HTTP ?
>I would add FTP, NNTP, Goper, POP3 and some other protocols, but that is
>beside the point.
>Don't confuse the applications with the protocols they implement.
By clipping my post, you miss my point. Allow me to restate:
You think that without royalty payments, people won't write software. The
four most critical pieces of infrastructure that make the Internet work are
BIND [Berkeley Internet Name Daemon], Perl, Sendmail, and Apache. Everyone
of them is free software.
--
Nick
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: 30 Mar 2001 04:20:14 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But still, it's manually initiated. Not to mention the fact that
> the FCC won't allow you to use your cell phone in-flight.
How's NET going to communicate then?
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BoogerT)
Subject: Linus for a 386????
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:09:37 GMT
I have a 386 with a 41 meg harddrive and 8 megs of RAM. What would be a good
linux distro for this machine which would allow me to access the Internet,
too? If there is one, where would I get it and do documents come with it?
Thanks in advance,
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From: "Benjamin Lvovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Earn some money with Linux
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:28:40 GMT
Last 15 years I was doing mostly Microsoft programming. DOS, Windows, NT,
from low level device drivers to communications and database programming.
Now I see Linux is much better, stayable. Except one thing! How can you earn
some money with Linux?! It's too FREE!;) I have a smal (very;)) company. I'd
like to completely move into Linux. But I have no a clue how programming for
Linux can bring some profit. Does anyone know? I think it's the major
problem for Linux.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:19:56 -0500
Anonymous wrote:
>
> Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) eeped:
> > > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > > > > >Barry Manilow wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up killing a lot
> > > > > >> > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why capitalism is a
> > > > > >> > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year in the
> > > > > >> > > world.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> China is practically a capitalist country right now.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yes, they are beginning to see the light.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >However, the brutal ways of their Communist Revolution and
> > > > > >subsequent Cultural Revolution are still with them.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > comp.os.linux.advocacy.and.debate.on.communism.vs.capitalism
> > > >
> > > > yay capitalism!
> > > > speaking of which, microsoft has done rather well under the free market
> > > > system don't you think?
> > >
> > > Actually, Microsoft has practiced a deliberate campaign of subverting
> > > the free market.
> > >
> > > That's why their always in court.
> >
> > Its called monopoly.
>
> you mean linux isn't really a viable alternative to windows after all?
Not for those who are looking for something pre-installed from a
mass merchandiser.
Although Compaq would LOVE to sell you a computer with Linux
pre-installed, they are currently hamstrung by Microsoft's
anti-competetive contracts.
Microsoft and communism are very similar. Neither one has much
tolerance for the little people doing something different.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> shocked i tel u
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:23:16 -0500
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Gunner � wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> > >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> > >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
> >
> > But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
>
> I wonder what Cuba would be like if Batista and the Mafia still ruled.
The biggest, longest-running, continous party in the western hemisphere.
>
> > --
> > "Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
> > clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
> > so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:42:18 +1200
Sorry, I don't have any stats on me, however, when I was running KDE 1.1.2 and
Xfree86 3.3.6, it was very slow, graphics was crappy. However, when I upgraded
the x server and kde, it was more responsive, stable and the graphics was
clearer and smooth.
Matthew Gardiner
green wrote:
> > > - A GUI that's feels lighter and faster.
> >
> > Well, as long as you have the latest version (Xfree 4.03) installed, both
> > GUI's are very light. The first version of KDE was mega bloated, slow,
> and
> > used a tonne of memory, however, it has gradually matured into a pretty
> > good desktop. Also, depending upon what distro you choose,
>
> have you got any figures relating to kde 1.2.x and 2.x relating to memory
> usage, hard disk usage.
>
> not because I don't beleve you. I just weighing up wether to upgrade or not.
> space and memory is limited and kde 1 and 2 may not exist together as they
> require diffrent versions of qt and the versions don't overlap. So it would
> be one way.
>
> Thanks for any pointers. compiling for me is not a option. I don't have the
> space.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:44:37 +1200
The key is for IBM to fully furnish all the computers they (IBM) use within IBM
with linux, then they employees of IBM put Linux on their hone computers, and
so the ripple starts.
Matthew Gardiner
green wrote:
> IBM tried that with the THINKpad laptop.
>
> sell it to corporations, e.g. telstra -> users will like them (despite the
> price)
> and buy them.
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Business's, such as IBM need to adopt the OS as a the standard right
> through out
> > their organisation, then, the employees feel that they have to install
> Linux on
> > their home machines so that it is compatible to work. Then, IBM partners
> think
> > "well, IBM is very important to us, we better move over to Linux for easy
> sharing
> > of information", so they move their computers over to linux. The ripple
> effect
> > continues, and as more and more users get added to this base, more and
> more
> > programs are ported, all this happened just by IBM moving to Linux, now,
> could
> > you imagine, if General Electric, IBM, Oracle, All Government Departments,
> HP,
> > Compaq and Dell moved all their clients from Windows to Linux, could you
> imagine
> > the huge ripple it would create in the computer industry? it would be
> massive,
> > Microsoft would get the shock of its life. It would not happen over night
> as
> > many of these organisations are spread over several continents, it may
> take up to
> > 2 years for a full transition and retraining, however, as the roll out
> continues,
> > training organisations will offer Linux Training, and as a result, after 5
> years,
> > a total roll out, and Linux will become one of the major forces in the
> office.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > Warren Bell wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Martigan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Warren Bell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > With all the stuff I'm hearing about Windows HP and the PA, that
> will
> > > > > require you to have MS activate your PC after making any hardware
> > > > > changes, makes me wish there was something out there to compete with
> > > > > Windows. I mean really compete.
> > > >
> > > > So you want people to rent or pay for updates?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux is a great OS and is getting better all the time, but the
> average
> > > > > computer user won't want to use it. What I think Linux needs is a
> > > > > light, user friendly version that anyone can use. Something that's
> > > > > stripped of most of the server functions and is made for a single or
> > > > > multi user home system. Something that even the UN-technical user
> can use
> > > > > without too many problems. Here are some things that I think would
> be
> > > > > needed to make this work:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Linux is not for the average Computer user, which is why the
> standard
> > > > does not have to bend to the will of the masses.
> > > >
> > > > > - A standard GUI that all Linux distros could use.
> > > > > - A GUI that's feels lighter and faster.
> > > > > - All the most used admin (root) functions available from point and
> > > > > click.
> > > > > - All makers of the lighter distro to follow standards so all the
> > > > > distros are similar.
> > > > > - Of course, more programs that people need for everyday use.
> > > >
> > > > That sounds like windows to me already! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to see Linux come out with somthing that would really
> compete
> > > > > with windows and give people who arn't tech savvy a choice. Any
> > > > > thoughts on this? Any distros that are trying to move twards an OS
> like
> > > > > this?
> > > >
> > > > As before if Linux does get standardized as you wish you will run
> into
> > > > some problems:
> > > >
> > > > 1. No matter what group is out there ONE of them will write/own the
> > > > standard. That means money. Money and Linux don't match.
> > > >
> > > > 2. If everybody uses the same standard you have inventive
> stagnation.
> > > > How can your imagination in programming be excited when you HAVE to
> write
> > > > for one standard?
> > > >
> > > > 3. As soon as you bring the a standard to lure new "techless"
> useres
> > > > and charge them for a distro you will make the advancement of Linux
> > > > depended on the whims and money of the "techless" users. Like
> Windows.
> > > >
> > > > 4. The comunity that owns Linux is a friendly one, will gladly
> help
> > > > "techless" users become proffecient with the OS, just as long as they
> show
> > > > a willingness to advance their knowlege. If they choose not to learn
> the
> > > > OS then they can go crawling back to Windoze.
> > > >
> > > > Linux, for users by users.
> > > > Windoze, from Gates to you, and from your pocket to his Phat bank
> > > > account.
> > >
> > > I've been hearing the last few years that Linux is going to be big
> > > competition for Windows. The way that would happen is if it was as easy
> > > to use as Windows. If it's not easy for techless users to set up and
> > > use on their own, they'll just go with Windows instead.
> > >
> > > I just hope they make a more user freindly and standerdized version that
> > > will bring Linux closer to being an alternative to Windows.
> >
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Piracy???? (KMM187962C0KM)]
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:32:01 -0500
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:41:33 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I knew atleast one person would find it humorous. When I saw it I though,
> >WHAT, LINUX IS A COMPANY! WHERE THE FUCK IS MICROSOFTS EMPLOYEE'S TRAINED?
> >Gee, I'll just ring up linus and ask the poor barstard whether I can load
> >a linux kernel on more than one computer. Geeze, kids these days (well,
> >thats what Microsoft employees are, kids) not even knowing basic computer
> >industry knowledge in regards to licenses, influencial companies etc.
>
> This does suggest a little tongue-in-cheek fun for someone with the
> resources, though. Start a linux anti-piracy campaign and set up an
> autoresponder for people to report "pirated" copies of linux and
> open-source apps.
I'm having more fun reporting the "piracy" to Microsoft.
It's fun to run the bad-dog's face in his own pile of shit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:35:13 -0500
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:29:22 -0800, Gunner � <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Id love to see your cites on the Mexican border/Berlin comparison.
> >Please provide them. I do not recall ever hearing about the AirForce
> >shooting down unarmed civilian aircraft intentionally knowing full well
> >that they were unarmed civilian aircraft.i
>
> I didn't say the airforce killed anyone on the border. It's usually up
> to border patrols, or the good citizens of the US.
You're saying private citizen and law-enforcement, armed with, at
best, semi-automatic weapons, are gonna take down a private aircraft
flying at over 100 MPH and a few thousand feet of altitude?
just hitting a STILL person at that range is damn near impossible.
>
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Some OS security thoughts
Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:53:32 GMT
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Out of curiosity, what is JTAE??
My now mostly-dormant consulting business, which in its heyday around
4 years ago was focused on building FoxPro and Visual FoxPro end-user
systems.
At present I'm working absurdly long hours as a developer for a
MegaBank, and therefore don't have time to do real work. :)
When my stint here is done I will consider going back to consulting,
but I know I'll need two things I previously lacked: (1) a
business-savvy partner, since I'm far better at the technical side of
things than the business side, and (2) a focus on free and open
solutions rather than proprietary ones.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: For when Linux developers get bored (news item)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:53:34 GMT
In article <9a0c57$h9v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Interconnect wrote:
>
>Charles Packer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Noticed in the NY Times. (See at http://cpacker.org/timesfan/faa.html)
>> Compressed Data: An Open-Source Future for FAA?
>
>So does this mean someone in Pakistan, Russia or China would be able to
>download the software to run their air systems?
>If Yes then the idea stands a chance. OTOH if they expect a ground swell of
>people to contribute simply to reduce their cost of software development I
>think they are sadly mistaken.
Maybe that's why they're considering offering frequent-flyer
miles...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Packer)
http://www.clark.net/~whatnews
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:51:27 +0200
"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> >When he mentioned perl, in the context of the web, I assumed he is
talking
> >about using Perl with CGI, to produce webpages.
>
> The Web is not the Internet and Perl is not CGI. I use perl nearly
> everyday, it's my primary development tool and I almost never code CGIs.
>
> >What do you mean, Perl is the glue?
>
> "The ... real job of activating the Internet belongs to Perl, a language
> that is all but invisible to the world of professional technology analysts
> but looms large in the mind of anyone -- webmaster, system administrator
or
> programmer -- whose daily work involves building custom web applications
or
> gluing together programs for purposes their designers had not quite
> foreseen. As Hassan Schroeder, Sun's first webmaster, remarked: Perl is
the
> duct tape of the Internet."
>
> http://perl.oreilly.com/news/importance_0498.html
What I've noticed about Perl is that it is seems extremely hard to write
readable code.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:52:57 +0200
"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> >
> >"Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> The four most critical
> >> pieces of infrastructure that make the Internet work are BIND [Berkeley
> >> Internet Name Daemon], Perl, Sendmail, and Apache. Everyone of them is
> >free
> >> software.
> >
> >You mean DNS, CGI (why is this an infrastructure?), SMTP, HTTP ?
> >I would add FTP, NNTP, Goper, POP3 and some other protocols, but that is
> >beside the point.
> >Don't confuse the applications with the protocols they implement.
>
> By clipping my post, you miss my point. Allow me to restate:
>
> You think that without royalty payments, people won't write software. The
> four most critical pieces of infrastructure that make the Internet work
are
> BIND [Berkeley Internet Name Daemon], Perl, Sendmail, and Apache. Everyone
> of them is free software.
First: All of them are free software.
I'm not saying that they aren't free software, I'm saying that they are not
part of the infrastructure, DNS, SMTP & HTTP are.
For that matter, with all the faults in sendmail? Why not use qmail?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: 30 Mar 2001 12:01:12 GMT
Austin Ziegler wrote:
>> You think that people are mainly motivated by money. Not even the
>> economists believe that anymore. You think that without royalty
>> payments, people won't write software. The four most critical pieces
>> of infrastructure that make the Internet work are The four most
>> critical pieces of infrastructure that make the Internet work are BIND
>> [Berkeley Internet Name Daemon], Perl, Sendmail, and Apache. Everyone
>> of them is free software.
>
>And not one of these are "end-user" software. Without the client
>software, there's nothing there.
Thank you, you make my point for me. The client software doesn't make any
royalties either.
--
Nick
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