Linux-Advocacy Digest #189, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 11:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (chrisv)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Mike")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (chrisv)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (chrisv)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (chrisv)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (chrisv)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Mike")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("David Brown")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Frog2)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(Stephen Cornell)
Re: Here's a switch for a change (baho-utot)
Re: Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish) (Brian Langenberger)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Dan Pop)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Donn Miller)
Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("JS \\ PL")
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("JS \\ PL")
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("JS \\ PL")
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:51:04 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What's true? Are you suggesting that America was saved because of
>> Russia???
>>
>> First off, the Nazis didn't kill 20 million Russians. Stalin killed
>> 20 million Russians by leaving them out in the freezing elements
>> without supplies for extended periods of time.
>>
>> Nazi Germany and Japan needed petro and that petro came from the east
>> indies region of the world where American military was in full force.
>>
>> America had Germany both by power and by strategic positioning.
>>
>> Europe can thank the good ol' USofA for saving the world!
>>
>> End of story!
>
>Ask any ANZAC who were the biggest whiners and complainers in the second
>world war. The US didnot save the world actually, so pull your head in and
>re-read history without all the pro-US propaganda.
We sure were a huge factor, possibly the deciding factor.
Somewhere between the rantings of the zeolots lies the truth.
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:51:20 GMT
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b26471a$0$263$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=21403
> or
> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2772060,00.html
...
> Yes, I know the study was partially sponsored by MS (someone has to pay
for
> these things) so please don't fire off stupid replies implying that MS
> purposely contaminated it's own results by 'buying the study' - that's
just
> preposterous. Consider when car companies pay someone like JD Powers to
> guage customer satisfaction - the company that paid for the survey does
NOT
> always come out on top and that's why people trust JD Powers. Same for
both
> IDC and Gartner. They are paid by _someone_ to find something out. If the
> results don't go your way then, sure, it's ok for you to not publish them
> (Ford pays JD Powers to find out if people like the Explorer and it turns
> out they don't - no need to buy Superbowl time to advertise that - but if
> they did like it, of course you advertise it - it's normal and is done all
> the time). So, ahead of time, ANYONE who says "MS paid for it therefore
they
> said whatever MS told them to" is automatically defined as an idiot and
> mindless so don't fall into that hole oK?
And, JD Powers is more than willing to bias their survey to achieve the
desired result.
But forget JD Powers - they're not at issue here. What is at issue is the
methodology used in the study. There's little reason to believe that any
particularly rigorous methodology was followed, and without that assurance,
the question of bias in the study is a valid question.
I'm suspicious of the results, in the same way that I'm suspicious of the
Linux growth rates that Rex Ballard posts, or Netcraft server surveys.
Instead of addressing the methodology issues (I haven't read the reports,
but it sure looks like there's very little rigor here), you're preemptively
trying to discredit anyone who questions the results.
Don't fall into that hole, OK?
-- Mike --
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:49:24 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Look at the US social problems vs. whats happening in the European
> countries, then come back and say something a little more than nationalist
> retoric. For example, look at the debt, unemployment of the Netherlands.
> Look how europe tackles social problems rather than sweeping it under the
> carpet as the US does. You may want to continue on your right wing mantra,
> but time will tell.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up
in the name of government handouts.
As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can
vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders
like that which is taking place in Europe today.
....
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:58:25 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>My point is proven: the majority of YOUR paycheck goes to YOUR
>>government. In America, Americans work for themselves, not the
>>government. The fact that the majority of your paycheck is taken
>>from you by your own government reveals a population that feels
>>themselves inadequate to solve their own problems on an individual
>>level, ie, sheep.
>
>That's all well and good, if you're within the top 10% earners.
>Otherwise you're fucked.
This is simply not true, obviously. Again, I warn you, that blatant
lies do not further your "cause" whatever that may be. People see
that you are grotesquely biased and stop believing anything that you
say. I already have.
>And you can hardly talk about people being
>sheep when you look at how many Americans are religious.
Are you saying that religion is good or that it is bad, and why do you
think you are able to just either way? You're just a feeble-minded,
ignorant newsgroup troll.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:00:22 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The US will never have personal freedom whilst their people are still
>continuosly brainwashed by Christian ideology.
A. We're not. Most people I know don't go to church.
B. Why do you think an ignorant troll like yourself has the wisdom to
pass this kind of judgement?
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:01:39 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Oh sorry, I was talking about a time that matters, such as NOW.
Yet you like to spout ignorant nonsense about past events.
Interesting.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:05:19 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Deary me. If all you can come up with is childish insults, then
>*plonk*.
LOL! From the ignorant little child, who sits in his bedroom and says
"MY country is GOOD. YOUR country is BAD!" What an infant!
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:11:21 GMT
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> [big snip]
>
[more snipped]
> I think pre-installed sales figures are inherently misleading. We bought
one
> copy of RedHat, and installed that on twelve servers, which had shipped
with
> Windows 95. There is no was that sort of install behavior can be tracked,
and
> that is the normal behavor.
Actually, that kind of behavior can be tracked, but it takes longer to do,
and is more difficult.
> I think I would like to see the breakdown of the operating systems sold on
> server machines. If a big honking server ships with Windows 95, I think we
can
> be sure that it ain't gonna be running that.
Yes, but at the same time, it's not clear what it will be running. The thing
we really need to see is a survey of what operating systems businesses are
running today. The survey would have to include companies of different size
and different markets (etc, etc.) so that variations could be factored in.
As you point out, just looking at what OS machines were shipped with isn't
necessarily valid, especially in the case of server shipments.
-- Mike --
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:12:11 +0100
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:54:29 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:RevV6.44439$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > I was talking about significant in space exploration terms.
> >> >
> >> Viking, Pioneer, Voyager, International Space Station, and all the
> >> other probes, nothing significant, your must be right.... (sarcasm)
> >
> >Not to mention all the work on Mars. How many non-US probes have been
> >sent to Mars?
>
> How many non-US countries are stupid enough to waste all that money
> for no obvious gain?
Why do I increasingly get the feeling that nothing is obvious to
you?
....
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:14:05 +0100
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:48:49 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9g3e80$bj6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > The internet isn't significant?
> >>
> >> I was talking about significant in space exploration terms.
> >>
> >Viking, Pioneer, Voyager, International Space Station, and all the
> >other probes, nothing significant, your must be right.... (sarcasm)
> >The US switched from very expansive maned space program to an unmaned
> >program, which was cheaper. Also the budget for NASA has been cut and cut
> >and cut over the years, so they have to make due on alot less money. Even
> >though the technology that has come out of the space program, could have
> >paid for it 10 fold.
> >If it was so easy to send men into space, why has anyone but USSR (Russia)
> >and the USA sent men into space?
>
> What's the point? Other countries realise there are more important
> things to spend money on.
Sure... other countries can tax to death their working population to
take care of those who ride the dole.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:13:51 +0200
Edward Rosten wrote in message <9g7omi$aju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> There are a few things to remember about the nuking of Japan. Most
>> importantly, the bombing was no worse than that which the British and
>> the Germans had done to each other in Europe. The only two real
>> difference was that it used a single bomb at a time rather than a fleet
>> of bombers, and that it left more people with permanent injuries from
>> radiation rather than just killing them. Do you know how "fire bombing"
>> worked? That was when a fleet of bombers dropped vast numbers of
>> incendery and explosive bombs over a small area. The massive fires
>> caused by this lead to searing winds at hurrican speeds, inrushes of
>> oxygen that cause people well outside the bombing area to sufficate
>> where they stand (or hide in bomb shelters), and a vast mushroom cloud
>> forms above the bombed area, and drops thick layers of ash and rubble
>> over a wide area. Barring the lack of radiation, doesn't that remind
>> you of something? This technique was used on a number of occasions - if
>> I remember rightly, Dresden was fire-bombed to greater devastation than
>> Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
>
>You seem to be implying that because the British and Germans did the same
>to each other it still wasn't a horiffic thing to to. It also does not
>make it any more right that either of the events happened.
>
No (at least I am not intending to imply that). I am simply showing how the
atomic bombs were not really any worse than the conventional bombing that
went on. Many people seem to feel that the atom bombs were somehow in a
class unto themselves regarding their destruction - they represented a new
class in terms of efficiency of distruction, but not in terms of the
civilians they killed or cities they destroyed.
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:23:40 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sky King"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:52:43 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ed Cogburn wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
> >> >> > gap will close or not is another issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> Last I heard its progress through the gay community has slowed, but
> >> >> its advancing among the heterosexual youth,
> >> >
> >> >That's a rumor being spread by.... homosexual activists
> >>
> >> The same way all your rumour are spread by paranoid right-wing nuts
> >> like yourself.
> >>
> > Except we "right wing nuts" have the stats to back us up. Do you? sky
>
> Such as the vast majority of AIDS is spread by hetro activity.
not in the united states it isn't:
U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY 1999 (source: CDC)
Exposure category % of total
Men who have Sex with Men (MSM) 326,051 48%
IV drug use 173,693 26%
MSM/IV 43,640 6%
Hemophilia 4,911 1%
Heterosexual contact 66,490 10%
Transfusion 8,382 1%
Risk not reported or known 56,572 8%
Total: 679,739
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: 13 Jun 2001 15:32:52 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[pasteurised cheese]
> I think you can, if you went to a shop with a good range of cheese. It is
> normally located around the Deli section of the supermarket.
It's rare, and becoming rarer in Britain. The EC keep trying to kill
it off, for the absurd reason that it carries a health risk. I'm
happy at the moment, because I smuggled a few cheeses back from France
this weekend that smell (and look) like something that had crawled
behind the fridge and died six months ago :)
> oh, btw, we also have unpasteurised beer as well :)
But I bet it's fizzy and too cold :-)
> In regards to the food, did you ever hear the CEO of Be Inc complain
> that the food in the US is not as nice as it is in France?
No, but I have met American students in Britain who complain that they
miss the food - especially Wendy burgers and Taco Bell.
By the way, you're wrong to poke fun (in another thread) at black
pudding - slice it, grill it, and serve it with apples and
yoghurt, and it's wonderful.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: baho-utot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Here's a switch for a change
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:34:53 GMT
Greg Cox wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:37:42 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Jim Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:12:04 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:9frbdu$5ku4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> > He's demanding to talk to the store manager because Windows wiped out
> > >> >> > all of his data which contained some kind of a web based research
> > >> >> > project (best I could gather in between screams).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'd like to have been there and heard the manager try to explain that
> > > not
> > >> >> only was his data permanently gone with no chance of compensation but
> > > he
> > >> >> couldn't have a refund on the software because he agreed to the
> > > no-refunds
> > >> >> clause in the EULA when he installed the product. - but he could have
> > >> >> another copy of the same product in exchange.
> > >> >
> > >> > There is no such clause in the EULA, in fact MS offers a 30 day money
> > > back
> > >> > guarantee on retail software.
> > >>
> > >> which if you try to collect (on the os that came shipped with your PC)
> > >> they refuse, say that you have to collect from the manufacturer of the
> > >> PC.
> > >
> > > The OS that ships with the PC is an OEM, not a retail copy.
> > >
> > > If you try to bring back your AC Delco radio, I'm sure Delco will likely
> > > laugh at you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > In the windows EULA, it says that if you don't agree to it, you should
> > return it for a refund, which M$ refuses to pay. If I bought a radio
> > which turned out to be a piece of sh!t, I'd return it, but I can't seem
> > to do the same thing with windows, why is that Eric?
> >
>
> Why is this so hard for people to understand? If you buy Microsoft
> software at a retail store and the EULA says you can return it for a
> refund then you can return it for a refund either at the store you got
> it from or directly from Microsoft. As far as I know no one has ever
> been denied a refund in this retail situation. If you bought a computer
> that had Microsoft software included with an OEM based EULA then you need
> to go to the manufacturer of the computer to get a refund. This is the
> exact same situation I was in when I bought my Toyata pickup. It had a
> radio as standard equipment. I didn't want it (I wanted a Clarion
> radio/CD player instead) and asked for a refund. The dealer not only
> said they wouldn't give me a refund for a standard equipment item but
> would have to charge me mechanic's time to remove the radio. Do you
> honestly believe the manufacturer of my pickup's radio is responsible to
> give me the refund if I ask for it?
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why is it so hard for you to understand......
I sent by msdos 6.2 disks back to m$ for a refund after contacting them. They
gave me an address to send them to and I have heard nothing from them since. When
I called them back they told me they don't accept returns. This was for a non OEM
version. Now I am out my money and my losedos disks (no big deal on the disks but
I WANT MY MONEY) .
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian 2.2r2, I *love* you! (longish)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:41:00 +0000 (UTC)
Terry Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip!>
: Firstly, in the past few days I've tried Redhat7.2 from a Magazine
: cover and I'm dissapointed.
I'd just like to know where that RedHat 7.2 came from,
since the latest version on RedHat's site is only 7.1.
Is there some weird beta floating around I've been unaware of?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pop)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:32:27 GMT
In <9g7hdr$g9dv4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Warnock) writes:
>Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>+---------------
>| Dan Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>| > pc64-006:~ 0 9> which sgicc
>| > /usr/bin/sgicc
>|
>| WTF is sgicc?
>+---------------
>
>I assume it's in /usr/bin 'cuz on those systems it's usually used as
>"the" system compiler (e.g., expect CC=sgicc in makefiles)...
It's in /usr/bin because this is where the SGI-supplied RPM and
recommended installation procedure put it, regardless of what is "the"
system compiler.
Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, IT Division
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail: CERN - IT, Bat. 31 1-014, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
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From: Thaddius Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:41:09 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
> > > more cultured than the Americans.
> >
> > The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long way
> > to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path at the
> > head of the world?
> >
>
> The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows that
> the British public aren't about to be sucked into the "lower tax" hype
> created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony Blaire's second
> term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better, we know who won!
> unlike the US election that just dragged on and on. Mind you, I never
> followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches democracy doesn't practice it
> when election time rolls around.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that
the USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
....
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: 13 Jun 2001 09:46:11 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> research and development. Now, the best way to ensure that all people can
> access this information is to create a Java front end to interact with the
> database. Thus, giving the organisation the flexibility which will allow
> them to deploy more non-pc's and generic PC's, knowing they they too, as
> long as they (the OS) has a JVM, can interact with the customer database.
Also, there's a web server written in Java:
Jakarta Tomcat is a web server written in 100% Pure Java. Tomcat is
also the reference implementation for the Java Servlet 2.2 and
JavaServer Pages 1.1 technologies.
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: INTEL"S ITANIUM DUE OUT TUES !!!!!
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:55:59 GMT
>> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes there are, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux 2.4 and AIX-5L, all of them are
>>> Itanium ready, and ready to roll. Windows isn't even ready yet!
>>
>> I think you'll find they are not the killer OS referred to. That is the
>> illusive creature where you don't care what it is because it works. Your
>> software works, and it is secure and reliable. It has all the tools and
It's only taken MS 15 years to start using the 80386's features for their
desktop OS.
If not for OS/2 and linux, MS would still have people using DOS.
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:57:59 -0400
"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>
> Well, let me throw this one at you, how do you feel about the fact that
> here in America, somebody under 21 can buy a gun and serve his country,
> but he/she can't even walk into a friggin' bar and order a beer? Where's
> the American freedom there?
I feel pretty good about that. Freedom for who anyway? Freedom from drunk 18
year olds? The rest of the drunks are bad enough. I'd feel much better if
that same kid under 21 (or anyone) could freely buy a joint instead of the
beer.
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:00:48 -0400
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b2661d8$0$2639$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >Since Windows 95, I have *once* had to download new video drivers for a
> > >particular video card I've owned (ATI Rage for Windows NT 4) and
*those*
> > >were included with Service Pack 4.
> > >
> > >With *every* version of Windows since, the drivers were either included
> with
> > >the OS, or included with the hardware.
> >
> > Yeah, but if you've lost your disk...
Then your a dumb ass.
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:05:17 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 12 Jun 2001 13:42:04 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> >Since Windows 95, I have *once* had to download new video drivers for
a
> >> >particular video card I've owned (ATI Rage for Windows NT 4) and
*those*
> >> >were included with Service Pack 4.
> >> >
> >> >With *every* version of Windows since, the drivers were either
included
> >with
> >> >the OS, or included with the hardware.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but if you've lost your disk...
> >
> >Download them? DOH
>
> What if the modem drivers were on the same disk!
Then you kick yourself in the ass and buy a new modem. If your you lose the
modem money walking to the store, you kick yourself in the ass again. In all
above examples you can only blame....you. You 12 year olds always seem to
think your own mistakes are someone elses fault.
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