On 21 Jun 98, at 23:40, Moshe Zadka wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Glynn Clements wrote:
>
> > I'm an XEmacs diehard, but I wouldn't claim that the keys are
> > particularly `intuitive', but then I wouldn't consider vi's keys
> > intuitive either (although I learned vi first). Personally, I think that
> > the main downside of the vi model is the command mode vs insert mode
> > distinction.
>
> Well, with vi's command mode saves one from the pianist syndrom.
> (E.g. alt-shift-5). Of course, that way, your fingers will not
> elongate. If you want to play the piano, EMACS is a great
> excercise. (Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift isn't just an
> acronym).
>
> Please excuse me while I write 100 times
> ``I will not get into stupid vi/emacs discussions''
> (Of couse, with VI it'd just take a second ;-).
>
> > vi and (X)Emacs are (almost) at opposite ends of the scale. vi is
> > basically just a text editor. Emacs includes a lisp interpreterand a
>
> Er....emacs *is* a lisp interpreter. It's just that someone chose
> to write an editor in it. I prefer editors written in 'C'.
>
> > vast number of add-on packages, including both dumb and
> > curses-compatible terminal emulators, mail and news packages, web
> > browser, transparent FTP support, version control, file manager,
> > calendar, calculator, lisp debugger, lots of online help,some games, ...
> > even a vi emulation mode.
>
> Yes, we all know EMACS is a pretty good OS. The question is,
> ``How easy is it to write text with it?''.
> I concede that it is a much better ftp agent then vi. (or even
> ls).
>
> > The thing about Emacs is that once you've learned the keys, most of them
> > apply generally, so you don't need to learn different keystrokes for
> > different packages. Also, bear in mind that the Athena widgets also use
> > Emacs keybindings, as does bash (and anything else that uses the GNU
> > readline library) by default. Netscape even overrides the default Motif
> > bindings with Emacs-compatible ones.
>
> hmm....trying to standarize our way into world domination?
>
> Let me just state for the protocol that I write (C code and
> LaTeX code) exclusively in vim, and I found it to be extremely
> programmer friendly, including the word-completion feature
> nothing can be called an editor without.
word-completion is a piece of cake in emacs. Trust me there is nothing
that you can't do in emacs.
I can open up an emacs window, write/modify my program, compile it, have
the cursor pointed to each error that may appear, bring up a man page if I
need to, and then test my program and never leave emacs.
How many times would a vi person have to enter and exit vi in order to do
that?
>
> Just my 0.02$ worth.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Moshe Zadka - moshez (at) math (dot) huji (dot) ac (dot) il
> What have YOU done today to promote Linux? I'm using 2.1.57
> My moto: Signatures should not be longer then 4 lines.
>
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