Linux-Hardware Digest #610, Volume #9 Tue, 9 Mar 99 17:13:41 EST
Contents:
Re: Speed..Speed..Speed ("Jeffrey J. Potoff")
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Phil Stevens)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (John Winters)
Allied Telesyn AT-2400T PCI NIC ("David J. Owens")
Dell PowerEdge Experiences (Joe Whitesell)
Re: LINUX and IBM PS/2 (David Ripton)
Re: Xserver support for STB 4400 TNT agp (David Ripton)
Re: How to install and use Second IDE controller? ("Curtis Adams")
Diamond Fire Pro (AGP) server for xfree86 ("Leo de Mul")
Re: Compaq Deskpro XL Red Hat Install ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Richard Robinson)
HP722C - Newbie ? pbm2ppa (Greg)
Re: Linux Xconfig Problems!! ("Michael B. Capozzi")
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Gianni Mariani)
Re: RDI PowerLite 110 ("Patrick Greer")
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Tomasz Korycki)
Re: Buying a new computer for linux (David Ripton)
Re: SMP and 7xxx with RAID-0/2.2.2? (Daniel Tisserand)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Phil Stevens)
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From: "Jeffrey J. Potoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: Speed..Speed..Speed
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:09:29 -0500
Jim Moser wrote:
>
> Am currently running a K6-2 300Mhz processor with 128Mb of 100 Mhz
> memory and considering
> upgrading to a faster board and processor. I am pursuing a project which
> will require scads of floating point
> calculations on large arrays..the results of which are written back out
> to disk..about 500 Mbytes worth.
> So I'm looking at the new high end processors..PII/PIII and discover
> this PII Xeon chip.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this chip? It very expensive..about
> $900. A dual Xeon board from
> SuperMicro with both processors runs over $2000. So how much faster is
> this chip? Intel's web site
> says it has a 512K L2 cache (even more expensive versions have 1Mb and
> 2Mb cache) which runs
> at PROCESSOR SPEED .. 400 Mhz in this case. The comparable PII-400 chip
> has a smaller(?) L2 cache
> which runs at 1/2 chip speed. The comparable AMD K6-2 400 chip has a 1Mb
> L2 cache but it is off chip
> and accessed by the 100 Mhz bus.
>
> So there you have it. Is the Xeon really worth double the PII price or
> triple the K6-2 price?
> As far as I can see.. the main difference is the L2 cache speed. Has
> anybody seen any benchmarks
> on this chip vis-a-via "comparable chips?
We did some investigation on quad Xeon boxes before going with a
dual 21264 Alpha machine. From what I saw, the Xeon wasn't really
much faster than the 450 MhZ PII and cost a whole lot more. If
I had to go with Intel chips, I'd stick with a dual 450 MhZ PII.
If speed is the primary concern, however, you'll get the most out of
an Alpha. The 21164, 533MhZ NT boxes are going for about $3400
(or substantially less, depending on configuration) w/video,
256mb ram, etc.
Jeff
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From: gwizz@gwazz.* (Phil Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:50:33 GMT
Reply-To: mudshark(at)euphoria.org
On 9 Mar 1999 08:15:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
wrote while drinking:
>Which rather neatly demonstrates why US prices are no use in UK
>newsgroup. There are so many variables to add on or knock off
>(and H.M. C&E are so abysmal at calculating them right) that the
>only meaningful price for a UK user is one quoted in GBP with all
>the relevant taxes paid.
Ahem. The following header was found on your followup:
Newsgroups:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
The first three newsgroups are in the comp.* hierarchy, which was not
exclusive to the UK last time I checked. Pay attention, please.
ps
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: 9 Mar 1999 16:27:28 -0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 8 Mar 1999, it was written:
>
>> US prices can easily be translated into UK prices: in the UK you can
>> buy this machine from MicroWarehouse for exactly $1299 U.S. dollars
>> plus any associated shipping charges, duties, customs and tariffs.
>
>OK then if you are so sure of this I challenge you to give the exact price
>a person based in the UK would pay if they bought the system today
>including shipping to the UK (next day service), import duty and VAT.
>Don't forget to include the carriers admin charge for advanced payment of
>the VAT and import duties.
...and the fact the if the shipper is UPS then the duty and VAT will
almost certainly be calculated wrongly, requiring you to spend months
hassling them to sort it out.
John
--
John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England.
The Linux Emporium - a source for Linux CDs in the UK
See <http://www.polo.demon.co.uk/emporium.html>
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From: "David J. Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Allied Telesyn AT-2400T PCI NIC
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:19:44 GMT
I received an Allied Telesyn 10BaseT PCI network card
when my cable company installed cable modem Internet
access. This NIC works fine running NT Workstation 4.0,
but now Redhat Linux 5.0 locks up trying to detect the
video card during the install. The NIC and video cards
were assigned separate IRQs by the BIOS.
Does this NIC work at all on Linux? I did not see it listed
in the Hardware Compatibility List at Redhat.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Whitesell)
Subject: Dell PowerEdge Experiences
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:03:38 -0500
Hello:
Has anyone had experiences with Dell PowerEdge servers running Linux.
Dell claims to sell these with Linux loaded. They now offer a Raid
controller but they will not install the second processor.
Also are there any other companys selling machines with Linux already
installed? Or could anyone recommend a ideal configuration for a dual
Pentium Linux web server with Raid?
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Ripton)
Subject: Re: LINUX and IBM PS/2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:20:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andy Hering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an old IBM PS/2 that I'm not using. I was wondering if I could
>use Linux on it instead of Windows. It is a 386/20, so it is not super
>fast. Can someone tell me if this is feasible to do? I only want to
>play around with Linux; I don't have any immediate plans for it.
It's worth a shot. Since it probably doesn't have much memory or
hard disk space, you'll want to try one of the smaller floppy-based
distributions.
--
David Ripton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Ripton)
Subject: Re: Xserver support for STB 4400 TNT agp
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:22:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Shann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know if this card can be made to work?
Yes.
Ask www.dejanews.com for details.
--
David Ripton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spamgard(tm): To email me, put "geek" in your Subject line.
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From: "Curtis Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to install and use Second IDE controller?
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:41:14 -0500
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From: "Leo de Mul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Diamond Fire Pro (AGP) server for xfree86
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:00:05 +0100
Does anyone has experience with a Diamond Fire Pro AGP videocard. I just
have installed Linux Redhat 5.2, but the permedia2 chip seems not to be
supported in the current version. Where do I get the right server, where do
I place this driver in the linux system (subdirectory), and how do I install
the new server in xfree?
Thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Compaq Deskpro XL Red Hat Install
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:02:25 GMT
As of kernel 2.0.36 (redhat 5.2) this is not an issue. I am running stock
redhat 5.2 on an XL 560 and 590 here.
This looks like you have memory with different timing or scsi termination
problems.
Martin
> Description of problem:
> When I boot from the Red Hat floppy to perform a CD install, I get as far
> as the screen that displays the package installation progress screen and
> then
> the machine locks up. The message says something about kernel panic and
> scsi_free after a few packages are installed.
>
> I did a little web research and found the website
> http://www-c724.uibk.ac.at/XL/ that deals with Compaq Deskpro XLs and
> Linux. The website suggested that Linux doesn't recognize Compaq Deskpro
> XL PCI memory space, so I found a Compaq softpaq that provides a movepci.sys
> driver to be used in config.sys when booting from a DOS 6.0 floppy (also
> used for Novell) that allows Linux to "find" the memory. Anyway, I
> created a DOS 6.0 boot floppy, loaded the MSCDEX drivers to recognize the
> install
> CD, loaded the movepci.sys, then called the dosutil/autoboot.bat on the
> install CD that runs loadlin to start the install process. However, the
> process failed at the same point with an error like fatal error loading
> RPM database files. From what I've read, all of the hardware in the Compaq
> is supported by
> Linux and Red Hat Linux. I've been fighting with this machine for about two
> weeks now, with no resolution. Can someone please help me?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: 9 Mar 1999 17:16:19 -0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Stevens <mudshark> wrote:
>On 9 Mar 1999 08:15:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
>wrote while drinking:
>
>
>>Which rather neatly demonstrates why US prices are no use in UK
>>newsgroup. There are so many variables to add on or knock off
>>(and H.M. C&E are so abysmal at calculating them right) that the
>>only meaningful price for a UK user is one quoted in GBP with all
>>the relevant taxes paid.
>
>Ahem. The following header was found on your followup:
>
>Newsgroups:
>comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
>
>The first three newsgroups are in the comp.* hierarchy, which was not
>exclusive to the UK last time I checked. Pay attention, please.
So these comments are coming from the fourth, uk-specific group, in
which context they are at least as reasonable as your posting of material
into a group to which it is irrelevant.
Let's *all* pay attention, huh ?
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
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From: Greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HP722C - Newbie ? pbm2ppa
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:50:51 -0800
I have a HP 722C DeskJet printer. I am trying to print to it with no
luck. I downloaded the pbm2ppa file from Tom Norman's page
(http://www.rpi.edu/~normat/technical/ppa/) but I don't know what to do
with it.
Please Help.
Thanks
GK
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:27:30 -0500
From: "Michael B. Capozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Xconfig Problems!!
The problem you are having is that Banshee cards are not currently
supported under any version of XFree86. The good news is that someone has
created an X server that works with Banshee cards. I have the Maxi Gamer
AGP, and it has worked flawlessly. Just go to this site and get the X
server.
http://glide.xxedgexx.com/3DfxRPMS_vb_glibc.html
Make sure you read the license and instructions first...
-mike
*******************************************************************************
Michael B. Capozzi
4th Yr. Information Technology
Rochester Institute Of Technology
System Administrator
Xerox Corp.
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Andrew Duane wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can anyone help me? I'm trying to install Linux RedHat 5.1 on my machine,
> but I have a Maxi Gamer Pheonix (AGP) graphics card and I'm having lots of
> problems setting it up. Can anyone suggest a solution to this problem? I
> have tried SVGA and generic DAC and been unsuccessful, also probe causes the
> graphics card to flicker the monitor constantly. Please help. Has anyone
> actually got
> a machine with a phoenix card that they've been able to run linux for? Could
> recompilling
> the kernel with a newer version of x help? although i'd rather avoid this
> course of
> action!:-)
>
> Thanks for any advice. Anything would be appreciated.
>
> Andrew Duane
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Gianni Mariani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:51:40 GMT
Johan Kullstam wrote:
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Brian Moore writes:
> > > (Again, much of this is due to their non-compete clause that they signed
> > > when they sold Xenix off to SCO, so it's unlikely to change.)
> >
> > It'll change the moment they decide that buying out the agreement is a
> > worthwhile investment.
>
> yes, but as far as i can tell, microsoft are idealogically committed
> to destroying unix. i can see bill gates taking off his shoe and
> pounding it on the rostrum....
>
Microsoft doesn't even know how to spell Unix :(*) Who are you kidding :)(
Unix/Linux is alot of fun to use. But, until there is *lots* of cash in it, MS
won't
take it seriously. How do you go to your shareholders (of a $400billion
company)
and tell them, BTW - we're dropping everything and going to Linux ? The only
ideology MS has is capitalism.
When MS sees that it is able to make around $1billion/year in software sales on
Linux, you will see them porting stuff. Be careful though, do you really want
the
"registry", "proc calls", "GDI", "Direct-X" on Linux ? Gee, MS would love it,
you
get to support irate Win98 come Linux customers over the comp.os.linux.misc
newsgroup and they would have a field day shipping Office for Linux. Oh, and
then
they would be the evil MS because they support Linux and make a huge bunch
of cash on Linux apps but don't support the OS.
Tell you what:
Make a proposal to MS (other than MS get lost) on how you would make *lots*
of cash selling Linux based products for MS.
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: "Patrick Greer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RDI PowerLite 110
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:24:28 -0500
http://www.geog.ubc.ca/s_linux.html is the home of the Sparc port.
http://www.tadpole.com are now the owners of RDI
happy foraging...
Patrick
<peeve>Please search the web, usenet and read (faqs, man, docs) _before_
posting. Keeps the S/N ratio down</peeve>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7bv4d2$q5m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I just inherited a RDI PowerLite 110 Laptop with a Sparc processor. I
would
>like to install RedHat 5.x on it, but I'm not sure if evrything is
supported.
>I received no documentation with the machine. Anybody installed Linux on
one
>of these before? This one currently has Solaris 2.6 on it, but I would
prefer
>RedHat.
>
> Any hints,info, tips, or comments (relating to this hardware) would be
most
>welcomed. I've never seen one of these things before, but I think it could
be
>very useful once I get it set up right.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave
>
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From: Tomasz Korycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:02:24 -0500
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:37:34 -0500,
> Tomasz Korycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Please trim texts when quoting.
> > >
> >
> > I do, usually. Unless something seems to me relevant to the subject, or
> > to someone who might stumble upon a message and wish to know what it is
> > all about.
> >
> So how is the above signature "relevant to the subject"? You've quoted
> it in its entirety several times.
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
That's called "courtesy", or "attribution". I'd hate for somebody not to
know who said what, if they stumbled on this thread only now....
Hey, You're quick on the draw! Now: what about everything ELSE I said?
Does it not warrant a reply? If so, just tell me what am I full of, I'll
go away. Not necessarily changing my mind, though. So, if You wish to
convince me, PLS reply to the whole thing, not just it's most irrelevant
part!
BTW, I never had the (dubious, I infer from Your previous post)
pleasure to work on HP3000, but I've also never heard of RSTS. RSX-11M
yes, I still have nightmares, but not RSTS. What was (is) it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Ripton)
Subject: Re: Buying a new computer for linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:24:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gerard Thornley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm in the process of selecting parts for a new computer. I'm planning on
>building it myself, so no problems as far as being able to get a
>particular configuration, but I don't know what bits of hardware have
>drivers written for them, etc...
>I have no previous experience of linux, so sorry in advance for any stupid
>mistakes.
>Please bear in mind when making any suggestions that I want to have a dual
>boot Windows 95/ Linux system, but I really don't care too much about the
>windows setup, since I only want it for a few games.
>
>So, firstly, is there a web site that's kept well up to date, listing all
>the currently available drivers?
There's a Linux hardware compatibility list (web search), but it's not
perfectly up to date. A whole lot of people work on Linux drivers, so
keeping such a list perfectly updated would be almost impossible. Feel
free to volunteer.
>or, alternatively, could someone tell me if the following have drivers,
>and if neccesary (not included in current RedHat installation, or
>whatever), where to get them.
>STB Velocity 4400 AGP graphics card
That's the STB TNT, right? If so, yes with XFree86 3.3.3 + (If you run
at high res, buy a different TNT, based on many complaints about the
STB's high-res image quality on csiph.video.)
>Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live
No, though I've heard that Creative has hired someone to write Linux
drivers. Avoid for now.
>And could anyone make suggestions for the following bits:
>Hard disk - approx. 8Gb, cheap, fast
Maxtor and IBM make the best IDE drives. Usually the newest model
from one or the other is the fastest. See www.storagereview.com
for good info. (I'm ignoring SCSI because you want cheap.)
>CD Drive - not especially fast 12x would suit, but reliable and well
>supported essential.
Any modern ATAPI or SCSI drive should work with Linux.
ATAPI CDROM drives are almost a commodity. You'll probably be happy
with the cheapest one from a company you've heard of. Try to find
a 20X or 24X drive instead of a 36X or 40X drive. One, there's less
spin-up delay. Two, you're more likely to be buying from an honest
company rather than one that plays specsmanship games.
>Zip Drive - Again, I want something that won't give me any hassle.
I don't own one so I don't know. Web search or dejanews search.
>Network card - I want to be able to use both types of network connection -
>Sorry, I know one of them is BNC, I don't know the other - the one that
>looks like a telephone connection. :-)
RJ45. Combo cards tend to be cheesy NE2000 clones, but they work okay
if you're not worried about performance. Good cards are RJ45 only.
(4-port 10 Mbps hubs are getting so cheap that coax should just go
away. But NE2000 clones probably never will.)
>I'd prefer replies to be sent directly to myself, but I'll check the group
>anywesponses are too rude to answer.
Good. Those who ask Usenet for help but refuse to even search the
group for responses are really rude.
--
David Ripton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Daniel Tisserand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SMP and 7xxx with RAID-0/2.2.2?
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:01:18 -0600
We are running 2.0.36 on Dual PII 350s with Adaptec 7895 U/W onboard SCSI
and two Raid0 partitions. No problems. Tested 2.2.2 on dual pentium 233
across IDE with no problems, but not yet with SCSI.
Daniel
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Greg Wood wrote:
> I remember reading in the Software-RAID that the Adaptec 7xxx cards dont
> like SMP all that well. I've seen the driver get updated throughout the
> 2.0.x and the 2.1.x kernels, thus outdating the HOWTO.
>
> Anyone try running RAID-0 (striping) with multiple (or single) 7xxx
> controllers and SMP?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
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From: gwizz@gwazz.* (Phil Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:45:24 GMT
Reply-To: mudshark(at)euphoria.org
On 9 Mar 1999 17:33:16 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Stevens <mudshark> wrote:
>>On 9 Mar 1999 08:15:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
>>wrote while drinking:
>>
>>
>>>Which rather neatly demonstrates why US prices are no use in UK
>>>newsgroup. There are so many variables to add on or knock off
>>>(and H.M. C&E are so abysmal at calculating them right) that the
>>>only meaningful price for a UK user is one quoted in GBP with all
>>>the relevant taxes paid.
>>
>>Ahem. The following header was found on your followup:
>>
>>Newsgroups:
>>comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
>>
>>The first three newsgroups are in the comp.* hierarchy, which was not
>>exclusive to the UK last time I checked.
>
>If you'd read the thread before leaping in with your foot in your mouth
>you wouldn't have made that comment.
The original poster asked for opinions regarding inexpensive notebook
hardware for a Linux installation project. Some of your Anglocentric
feathers were ruffled when example prices in US dollars were
mentioned. Some of us outside your country wondered why you carry on
about UK newsgroups in international ones.
>
>>Pay attention, please.
>
>Exactly.
Indeed. Shall we all quote prices in Indonesian rupiahs from here on
out?
ps
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