Linux-Hardware Digest #631, Volume #9 Thu, 11 Mar 99 15:13:58 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux on a Celeron? (Greg Yantz)
Re: Sound Cards in Linux (was Re: Buying a new computer for linux) (Tobiah)
Install Without CD-ROM (Steve Freides)
Re: HD Problems... HELP!!!! ("James Kosin")
Re: Ethernet vs. SCSI (Erik Hensema)
TNT help in RedHat ("Scott L")
headless mobo (Yan Seiner)
Toshiba T4700CT Sound Hardware ? (Robert Braeutigam)
Re: Netgear FA310TX - telnet timeout ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Speed..Speed..Speed (John Burton)
Re: Celeron and SMP ? (Gianni Mariani)
Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session (Bill Anderson)
Re: GNOME ... ? START ME UP! (brett russ)
Modem: no luck w/simple AT cmd (brett russ)
Re: Need to restore Master Boot Record-forgot command-Help! (James)
Re: installing linux on iomega jaz ("Frederic Hoerni")
Re: Linux killed the drive? Coincidence? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Moving from singel cpu to dual PII 266MHz (Henrik Carlqvist)
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on a Celeron?
Date: 11 Mar 1999 12:17:08 -0500
BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> what is a 'celeron motherboard'? I am using a proper pentium-2 <sic> mobo
> which is needed for dual operation. it SURELY supports ecc ram.
He probably means a mb with the new ZX chipset. It's crippleware. You can
buy Socket 370 mb's with the BX chipset, though, which would certainly
support ECC memory.
> Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Hi, I noticed that if you build a Celeron machine, then it is
> : too easy to end up with a system which does not support parity
> : checking. Something like newer cheaper motherboards for
> : celeron would not have ECC.
So don't buy anything with a ZX chipset. Simple.
> : Besides, people say newer intels could not be overclocked
> : while my K6-2 300 and K6-2 333 both run stable at 350MHz without
> : voltage increase.
The socketed Celerons are even easier to overclock than the Slot-1
Celerons. Maybe because they're easier to cool.
I tested my K6-2 300 at 350, and it would only boot about 1/3 of the
time, even with increased voltage. I never overclock it.
> : Also, later on you could swap K6-2 for K6-3, while I am not sure
> : about the future of celeron motherboards. It looks that intel
> : would be glad to force to upgrade them.
You keep saying Celeron motherboards. Do you mean Socket 370? If so,
a good Socket 370 mb has as much of a future as a current Slot-1 mb.
The only disadvantage is that to get a dual cpu system you need to
go with Slot-1.
> : PS. Just looked up -- both K6-2 333 and celeron 333 cost around $65.
-Greg
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From: Tobiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound Cards in Linux (was Re: Buying a new computer for linux)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:08:16 GMT
> Is the Sound Blaster Live compatible with old Sound Blasters. i.e. Could I
> use it as if it was e.g. a sound blaster 16.
Software emulation only! Linux is out here for now as well.
>
> If not, could someone recommend a cheap (my budget is about 50 UK pounds)
> sound card that will give me good sound quality.
I think the the Ensoniq AudioPCI is an excellent choice.
It can be had for $25-$50 American. Line out and in are
very low noise, and Linux loves the thing. Use kernel,
OSS or ALSA drivers out of box.
Creative now has the AudioPCI. They changed the
chipset from 1370 to 1371. I have the Ensoniq,
but I believe that both work well with Linux.
Toby
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From: Steve Freides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Install Without CD-ROM
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:28:14 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've got an older 486 without a CD-ROM - can I copy the Linux
installation CD-ROM to the local hard disk and install from there? The
machine is already running Windows 95 and I'm planning on keeping some
of the hard disk FAT16 and using System Commander to switch between
OS'es.
Thanks in advance.
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From: "James Kosin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HD Problems... HELP!!!!
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:36:15 -0500
OK,
When I "cp" a file then do a "diff" on the same file... They come up
different!!!!!
If I download a file and try to "un-tar and un-gzip" a file gzip reports a
crc error in the file. I can reset my system and sometimes it reports no
problems at all!!! This usually happens with LARGE files like source for
the kernel!
Even if it reports no problems at all if I do a "tar dzf linux-2.2.2.tar.gz"
I get statements saying that the Data differs for certain files!!! The
files are usually different at different times after trying to untar &
ungzip the files!
At one point... without any parameters in the append statement in lilo.conf
file I would get errors [especailly with the new kernel] kinda like the NT
BLUE SCREEN only sometimes I could continue with this one. Ooops...
Sometimes NOT because it was in the INTERUPT HANDLER. and would give
another statement saying it could not because it was trying to stop an
interupt handler...
My only guess for now is the problem is with the HD controller and Linux and
the HD. These errrors always happen durring disk activity!
Any help will be recieved and tried in a timely fashion.
Thanks,
James Kosin
David Kirkpatrick wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>James,
> What problems are you having? Please give as much detail as you can.
>I've had some problems here but got through them. The worse was drive
>problems with corruption and lots of problems during install. The
>install problems were mostly my fault with getting the partitions wrong
>and the loads would screw up but those got squared away. I kept having
>problems with the disk - loads went south, corruptions - lets of
>problmes over a few weeks. I finally tracked it down to the vendor
>incorrectly giving me bad information about setting the switches on my
>motherboard. After that things have gone very well. By the way diags
>ran fine on this system. The problems showed up when the system was
>taxes like a load. So it would load after failures then I thought I
>would be off and running but a few days later fail - usually under
>load. But it got fixed.
> So whats wrong?
>d
>
>James Kosin wrote:
>>
>> Anyone.... Please HELP.
>>
>> I've had problems with RH Linux and my HD since day 1... I can run
>> diagnostics on my hard drive and everything comes out OK. Works great
>> on Windows 98.
>>
>> The controller is an Intel 440FX chipset ...
>> I'm running a PII Overdrive 333MHz CPU and 256MB of memory.
>> 2 - WD Hard-Drives one 5.1G and one 4.0G drive.
>>
>> Anyone have any good suggestions???
>>
>> My HD's are good. Memory is good. CPU almost brand new.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> James Kosin
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik Hensema)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Ethernet vs. SCSI
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:34:41 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christopher Howard wrote:
>I have a 386, 486, and a 586. I was thinking of linking them with
>ethernet but then I started thinking about SCSI. They will be stacked
>on top of each other, and I do plan on getting another system to add to
>it later. What would be the advantages and disadvatages of using SCSI
>instead of Ethernet? There are 2 extra bays in the 586 and the 386,
>the 486 has 1 extra bay, but I could replace the IDE cd rom with SCSI
>(wich would be 2 bays). Email me with your thoughts.
In theory, it's possible to have multiple scsi controllers on one bus, they
should have different ID's, that's all. All controllers can access all
devices on the bus, however, NOT simultaniously (the same device). Probably
you can manage to access different partitions on the same drive from
different controllers.
It's all very dangerous, as concurrent access of multiple controllers on the
same partition can/will damage the filesystem.
SCSI is also more expensive, and not as versatile as ethernet (you can't
telnet over scsi...).
Don't do it if you aren't 100% sure of what you're doing.
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Erik Hensema ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Please don't use my old address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) anymore, it's obsolete.
Somewhere in the near future, mail to this address won't reach me anymore.
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From: "Scott L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TNT help in RedHat
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:50:30 -0600
Just wondered if anyone could email me as to how to use the TNT chipset or
more exactly what chipset ot pick in the installation - not worried about
the 3d side just trying to get it running normally -
thanks
Scott Lewis
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
Microsoft Certified Professional + Internet
A+ Certified Technician
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evolution Technology Group
http://www.etg.net
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: headless mobo
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:00:14 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need to run a headless server on a PC. I thought I had a nice mobo -
an old Gateway that automatically detects no keyboard and no mouse, and
disables accordingly.
Now it turns out that it switches to EGA unless there's a VGA monitor
physically attached. Guess what - the EGA ioport conflicts with lp2 (or
LPT3) and one of my printers dies. (That was a job of debugging -
especially since the problem went away when I could see what the
computer was doing!!!)
Does anyone make a mobo that can operate well headless?
I've also head tales of a compaq board that would redirect all screen
and keyboard output to a serial port, thus truly allowing a headless
server. Does anyone know anything about this board and if so, can it be
used on non-Compaq machines?
Thanks.
yan
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From: Robert Braeutigam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Toshiba T4700CT Sound Hardware ?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:18:23 +0000
Hi,
i have a nice little Toshiba T4700CT Notebook running here
under RedHat 5.2. Installation went fine, but I am not able to
get the sound working...
Does anyone have more information about the sound hardware used
in that box ? I tried CS4232 and Windows Sound System and it didnt
work. The only information I got from the BIOS is the Base Address
which is 0x530. When I try to detect that stuff with sndconfig it
produces only a small "click" but I am not able to play a .au-file...
Can anyone help ?
Ah, yes, another question: Is the WD90Cxx-VGA-Controller really
limited to 8-bit graphics ? Window Maker really looks ugly with
255 colors... :(
Thanks a lot in advance,
Robert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netgear FA310TX - telnet timeout
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:55:06 GMT
Thanks for pointing out the problematic chipset, now I won't be wasting
anymore time on it...
Anyhow, here is some more experience after upgrading to kernel 2.2.3 (though
didn't matter):
- Ping (pinged the gateway machine, by IP) returns after about 1 minute. -
Telnet using hostname returns after about 2-3 minutes. - A telnet using IP of
the remote machine causes this telnet error: "telnet: Unable to connect to
remote host: No route to host" When I repeat it a couple of times, in
succession, gives same error, then it connects on the nth try. After that
network connection is fine - all telnets, nslookups, pings work ok. - Like
you said, the latest 0.90q tulip driver works just a little better - just
less delay/errors before it comes up.
- Pari
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:57:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> wrote:
> >I have a curious problem with the Netgear FA310TX on my RH5.2 system. The
> >card is recognized fine, but when I try to telnet to another machine the
> >telnet hangs. HOWEVER, if I do a nslookup of a machine just BEFORE I do a
> >telnet then the telnet works fine - returns immediately with a login prompt.
> >
> >Does anyone know why that would be the case ?
>
> Yes. The new Netgear FA310TX uses the PNIC Lite-On chipset. This chipset
> has severe media detection problems, as well as having a delay in the
> transmitter setup to attempt to cope with that.
>
> There's an updated driver at Donald Becker's site
> http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/tulip.html that works a little
> better, but last time I checked people were still reporting problems with
> the PNIC.
>
> Sorry couldn't give you better news, but that's the breaks :-(.
>
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> "Linux represents a best-of-breed UNIX, that is trusted in mission
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From: John Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.fortran
Subject: Re: Speed..Speed..Speed
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:52:31 GMT
James Giles wrote:
>
> Jeffrey J. Potoff wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> >> Even at that you will not equal
> >> the performance of the Alpha.
> >
> >No, of course not, but you can equal or surpass the *throughput* for less money
> >with Dual PII Intel boxes in many cases.
>
> Throughput has always been an irrelevant measure of system performance
> to end users. All anyone cares about the the turnaround on thier major
> code. Increased throughput is only of interest to the extent that it may
> be correlated to turnaround. Unless you can multiprocess your main
> code, multiple units does not enhance the most important measure of
> performance.
Ummmm...Depends on how you define throughput...if you define throughput
as the number of jobs put through the system in a specific length of
time, then there is a very definite correlation between throughput and
turnaround... i.e. "throughput" is not an irrelevant measure...
John
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From: Gianni Mariani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Celeron and SMP ?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:44:26 GMT
Not to defend Intel too much, the Celeron is different to the PII in
more
ways than just the SMP disabler. I would assume that there are large
costs in testing this CPU in an SMP environment. Instead of doing
such testing, they disabled the SMP ability and shipped it at a lower
cost.
Then, they made a better CPU (more cache) tested it for SMP and
shipped it at a higher cost.
Admitedly, they want to protect their SMP/Server margins, but people
who traditionally buy this type of equipment will always pay a premium
since their volumes are always lower than the mainstream.
You can't really blame them.
Daniele Bernardini wrote:
> Ulrich Leodolter wrote:
> >
> > Will Intel Celeron CPU's work on dual PII Motherboards ?
> > What about the performance compared to PII CPU's ?
> >
> > --
> > o------------------------------------------------o
> > Ulrich Leodolter
> > University of Vienna, Institute of Psychology
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > o------------------------------------------------o
>
> It is not straight forward you need to mess up with the chip!
> have a look here:
>
> http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/dualceleron/
>
> BTW I really don't like intel policy: they disable a feature
> of one of their CPU (the celeron, which could do SMP as well
> as the PII) to sell another one (the PII) at an higher price!
> All this just to get rid of AMD!! I will not buy a single piece of
> Intel hardware until they behave this way...
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniele
>
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: X munges the graphics card? (Re: Windows 2000 Rah! Rah! Session
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:51:53 +0000
Bluescreen O'Death wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Under Unix, if your video driver fails it will likely take down your
> > > X server with it, however it is almost impossible for it to panic
> > > the kernel. Infact, it's quite trivial to setup your X server to
> > > simply restart if it crashes LEAVING ALL RUNNING GUI APPLICATIONS
> > > UNAFFECTED. This is simply *impossible* to do under NT.
> >
> > Oh really? I have a Compaq box back in the UK that I'd like you to take a look
> > at. When X crashes on that (which it does regularly), it takes the graphics
> > card down with it. It won't go back into text mode. It won't switch graphics
> > modes. So restarting the X server is useless - it has to be big-red-switched.
>
> What kind of video card? Or failing that, what model Compaq?
>
> And what flavor Unix?
I have had this on a Mill2 w Linux, Kernels 2.03x and 2.2.(.0prex->.1),
on a micron.
It really sucks when it happens.
Bill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brett russ)
Subject: Re: GNOME ... ? START ME UP!
Date: 11 Mar 1999 17:52:12 GMT
I had luck putting enlightenment in my xinitrc file (in place of your
current WM) and then starting 'gnome-session' once the window manager
had started.
Igor Raznatovic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I just intsalled GNOME on my Red Hat 5.2 box. Problem is I cant start it
: up. Somebody in a chat room told me to put panel in xinitrc or to type it in
: xterm. I tried and I was not satisfied...why? That is not the full desktop.
: Then I found out about gnome-session. A document on Gnome site said to
: include it in xinitrc and I did. But I got only plain ol' X (without a
: window manager as I set it up). I typed in xterm gnome-session and this is
: what I got:
: Priority 00 : Starting Id = default0
: Priority 00 : Cloning Id = default0
: Priority 00 : Registering Id = (null)
: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
: [root@igor bin]# ICE default IO error handler doing on exit(), pid = 285,
: errno= 2
: Give me a hint...It 's not that I know a lot about it...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brett russ)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Modem: no luck w/simple AT cmd
Date: 11 Mar 1999 19:33:42 GMT
I'm running RH5.2 on 486/66. There is one serial port on back of
machine which I am using for my mouse. It is mapped to /dev/ttyS1
(COM2) and is IRQ 3. I am installing a Gateway (USR) Telepath 550
14400 internal ISA modem with jumpers configured for IRQ4, COM1. My
BIOS does not provide access to serial port info (enabling/disabling)
so I assume I can use this port. It's a SystemSoft BIOS and the PC is
a VTech.
My problem is that I've followed all of the instructions I've found in
the modem manual, PPP HOWTO, and serial HOWTO to simply issue an AT
command to talk to this modem and I have no luck. Nothing shows up on
the screen when I type and nothing shows up from the modem in
response. It feels like I'm talking to a wall. I have used both
Kermit and minicom, setting it to look for the modem at /dev/ttyS0, to
no avail. In Kermit I've tried setting modem type to both usrobotics
and telepath. I'm running them as root so permissions shouldn't be
the problem. I've run setserial on the port and it reports a 16450
UART and the address and IRQ look fine. Neither Kermit or minicom
complained when initializing/connecting to the modem. I've looked at
/proc/interrupts before and during the modem programs. Before nothing
was shown for IRQ 4, during it showed activity for this interrupt.
Once I typed something and got a dialtone and some activity on the
line which I heard from the speaker on the modem but I typed another
key and it stopped. I had some hope for a second but I could not
repeat it. And once I got "trapped" in Kermit while connected to the
modem and could not issue the escape sequence to get out to the Kermit
prompt. I did Ctrl-z to suspend, and when I typed 'fg' to return, I
saw an "OK" as if the modem had replied. This too happened only once.
I am wondering if the modem takes forever to reply, but why wouldn't
my commands show up? At this point in the installation, does it even
matter what the modem's settings are? I tried 'stty <the string to
enable CTS/RTS HW flow control> < /dev/ttyS0' but this changed
nothing. My modem has all dip switches in default locations. Next
I'll try a different COM port/IRQ (I suppose I could use 5...) but I
don't know what's going on with my current config. Is the modem
toast? I've tried swapping ISA slots.
Thanks--
br
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James )
Subject: Re: Need to restore Master Boot Record-forgot command-Help!
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:22:54 GMT
After a little more thought I tried...
fdisk /mbr
...in DOS. Fixed it up right away. Hope this helps anyone else with this
problem.
Jim
In article <MPG.1150ff817faec2cf98970e@news>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> I need to restore the Master Boot Record on an ide drive in dos to fix a
> corrupted Linux install. It's been such a long time since I had to do
> this I've forgotten the command. I'm pretty sure it uses the /mbr switch.
> If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
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From: "Frederic Hoerni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installing linux on iomega jaz
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:48:41 +0100
thanks for the advice.
However, as I am a beginner, I do not understand what you said.
How can you see if the SCSI host adapter is able to present the Jaz drive as
a BIOS device ?
Michael Faurot a �crit dans le message <7b9vrl$e3j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>: does anyone has ever tried to install linux on a jaz drive, and boot
>: from it. Is this possible ?
>
>Works great. It is important though that your SCSI host adapter be
>able to present the Jaz drive as a BIOS device.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux killed the drive? Coincidence?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:05:56 GMT
In article <7bufpa$fs7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I must be the luckiest SOB on the planet. I never have a problem with my WD
> HD, but everyone I know has a horror story about theirs.
> Yeah, just a coincidence.
I'm not sure the WD drive is bad after all. I turned off SMART enable in
BIOS, and then ran WD's own low level diagnostics and it reports no problems,
so it may be a BIOS problem. I'm gonna pop the drive into a different
machine and see what happens.
I will always use WD drives....I've had at least a dozen over the years, and
this is only the second one to give me problems. Tech Support and RMA policy
are great; they advance ship replacements, and when I had a little 500MB drive
go bad a few years ago, they replaced it with a 1.2GB drive, no extra cost, no
questions asked! (Guess they don't make the 500MB ones anymore. <g>)
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From: Henrik Carlqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Moving from singel cpu to dual PII 266MHz
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:13:24 +0100
jpn wrote:
> What can one expect in overall and what SMP-software are there for
> Linux?
You don't need any special software. As soon as you have more than one
running process SMP will help.
regards Henrik
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