Linux-Hardware Digest #578, Volume #10 Thu, 24 Jun 99 14:13:39 EDT
Contents:
SCSI 2910 and HD for linux ("Forster")
Linux port for STPC or Net+Arm? ("GTE News")
Re: DSL & linux (Alex Lam)
Re: MUST I have network card to connect to ISP? (Lew Pitcher)
Re: PPP modem connection - Slow! ("Walter Harms")
Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT! (Brian Hartman)
Re: Quantum Fireball+ KA (Andrew Comech)
Re: SuSE5.2 + making sound work..? (Richard Carr)
Re: Parallel port scanner (Bart Trojanowski)
Re: SiS 530 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PAS16: how?? (Piotr)
Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI ??? (Richard Carr)
Re: Compatible Modems for Linux ("jerry keeney")
Re: Promise Ultra66 controller rumor ("Neil L")
Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT! (Greg Bartels)
Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT! (Alex Lam)
Monitor dies while installing Redhat 5.2 (Barry Smith)
Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT! (Michal Jaegermann)
Re: MUST I have network card to connect to ISP? (Chris Aiken)
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From: "Forster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SCSI 2910 and HD for linux
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:59:51 GMT
I am thinking of buying a new HD to be used only for linux (replacing the
shared drive I now use with Win95 and linux). I have an adaptec 2910C scsi
controller in my machine, which is listed as a non-bootable drive by
adaptec. Can I install linux on a drive attached to this card and have
linux boot up from it? Or should I buy another IDE drive.
Thanks in advance.
Bob
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From: "GTE News" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux port for STPC or Net+Arm?
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:49:11 GMT
Is there a Linux port to either of these processors available?
Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Kent (Remove 'nospam' for email)
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DSL & linux
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:16:59 -0700
"Mark G." wrote:
>
> Am thinking about having a DSL line installed from USWest (megabit service).
> Was wondering if DSL is at all compatible with linux? Am currently running
> Mandrake 6.0.
I'm running SuSE Linux (kernel 2.0.36) with an Alcatel XDSL box from
PacBell here
in California. Pacbell does not support Linux (or Win NT), I already
have 2 3Com 10/100ethernet cards installed in my box, it took me all
under 2 minutes to get my xDSL up and running, and ipforewarding to my
SOHO LAN after the tech guy connected the wire to my phone outlet.
Just don't tell your provider you're using Linux. All you need is to put
in the static IP, gateway, DNS, netmask into your network config file.
No support is needed.
Alex Lam.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: MUST I have network card to connect to ISP?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:57:05 GMT
On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:52:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William
Horton) wrote:
Re: MUST I have network card to connect to ISP?
No.
Lew Pitcher
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Toronto Dominion Bank
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From: "Walter Harms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.config
Subject: Re: PPP modem connection - Slow!
Date: 24 Jun 1999 16:58:57 GMT
ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>PhilD wrote:
>> I would like to start by apologizing for posting this again. I know I
>> have seen someone else post this problem, but I can't seem to find it.
>> Anyway, I have finally got my system up and running on RH6. Last night I
>> got my ppp connection working with my ISP. I am using pppd and a PAP
>> authentication. Everything works fine except it is really slow. It
>> averages about 1k/sec and stalls quite often. I have a 3com 56k int. ISA
>> PnP modem. I was hoping some one could tell me how to correct the
>> connection speed. I did notice in the log file that on connection it
>> gives an error that the module 'compress-21' 'compress-22' and one other
look at www.suse.com support they say add
alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp
alias ppp-compress-24 ppp_deflate
alias ppp-compress-26 ppp_deflate
i still have speed problems but at least these starnge errors are gone.
walter
>> can not be found. Would this have anything to do with my speed drop? If
>> so, how can I correct it? Thank you in advance for any help you can
>> provide.
>>
>> PhilD
>>
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>that could be because of conflicting IRQs. pnp can do that -- check your com
>port IRQs
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From: Brian Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT!
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:59:05 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:47:03 -0400, Brian Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Martin A. Boegelund" wrote:
> >
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Brian Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> [del]
> >>
> >> > It's another story if you want a dual-boot between
> >> > Linux and Win9x or NT. (Incidentally, many users dual-boot, just to
> >> have access to the
> >> > kind of apps, like databases, that Linux doesn't have yet.)
> >>
> >> You mean games, right?!?
> >>
> >
> >Absolutely not. Linux runs Quake, Doom, and a host of other games. If
> >you'd bothered to read the post before you flamed it, you would have seen
> >the word "databases", clear as day. Linux has SQL. By contrast, Windows
> >users are used to a host of database front-ends (Paradox, Access,
> >FileMaker Pro) and would be reluctant to give them up to make a complete
>
> Then say database FRONTEND.
>
Actually, the term is database management system, I suppose.
>
> [deletia]
> --
>
> It helps the car, in terms of end user complexity and engineering,
> that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
> arbitrary point as it's rolling down the road. / | \
>
> Seeking sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: Quantum Fireball+ KA
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Jun 1999 13:20:32 -0500
On 23 Jun 99 21:56:05 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Reply to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Gene Heskett sends Greetings to Andrew Comech;
>
> Yes, but that doesn't display the speeds you got, and there are several
> places to stub ones toe in getting that dma to work right. So what were
> your speeds?
I am sorry, I was not specific..
Buffered disk reads were around 12MB/s with DMA enabled and around 6MB/s
without DMA. That is, buffered disk reads are twice as fast, but there is
a sneak few percent speed increase when the system does something cool.
The drive was Quantum EX UDMA/33, 6.4GB; PA-2013 motherboard (UDMA/33),
MVP3 chipset.
> And did you have 'experimental' checked in the config used
> to make those kernels?
`Experimental' -- what do you mean? I checked something
like PCI bus mastering when I compiled a kernel which I use (it is 2.2.5).
hdparm certainly reported that I am using DMA..
> Without that, you don't get any dma even if selected.
You mean, those guys are just faking us all? ;-)
I told you, kernel compiles _do_ become faster (1-2%), it is _hot_ air
indeed (not just as if from a fan ;-).
Best,
a.
> >> Not quite what I'd call 'hot air' here David. PIO=3.5 m/s.
> >> cpu=50-85%, UDMA-33=12.9+ m/s cpu=2.7% Thats from hdparm and top on
> >> a 400 mhz AMD on a TYAN S1590S. By any stretch, thats a 3x
> >> speedup.
> >>
> >> The drive is a recent but commodity 4.3 gig WD, comes as a 66, and
> >> you have to run the dos util to slow it down, which I did.
>
> AC> Hi Gene --
> AC> I ran kernel compiles with DMA on/off; there speed difference is
> AC> only a few percent (with DMA it is _usually_ a few percent faster
> AC> ;-). Assuming that you do not swap a lot, disk speed does not
> AC> seem to matter much. So, it _is_ a hot air.
>
> AC> I even tried to compile kernel using a virtual file system for
> AC> the kernel source (64MB out of 128MB memory), and there was only
> AC> about
> AC> 1% speed increase vs. compiling with 64MB of RAM disabled. (Disk
> AC> speed does not matter?..)
>
> AC> Things are better with a faster CPU: K6-2 at 350MHz is
> AC> almost exactly 7/6 faster than at 300MHz (takes ~300s vs. ~350s).
> AC> I do not pretend to have conducted careful tests, but I guess
> AC> this is appoximately the way the things are.
>
> AC> It seems to be more reasonable to get a larger UDMA/33 drive..
> AC> Best,
> AC> a.
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From: Richard Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE5.2 + making sound work..?
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:17:48 GMT
In article <7krvj0$b4d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Richard Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> = Hi,
> = Can anyone help here?
>
> = I have an Ensoniq ES1371 soundcard. SuSE 5.2, kernel 2.2.9 and
KDE1.0.
>
> = Under RedHat 5.2 the sound was installed perfectly. However with
SuSE
> = 5.2 I have never seen an option to configure the sound/soundcard,
nor
> = can I find any options in YaST or KDE1.0.
>
> = Can anyone tell me how to get sound installed then?
>
> I may be wrong in this, but isn't it part of the kernel install?
> Also, isn't sndconfig on SuSE 5.2? (I'm sure I've seen it, and I've
got 5.2
> on one of my machines... Not that I ever actually had to do anything
to get
> the sound working...
I was wrong, my attempt to install 2.2.9 failed, so I'm still on 2.0.x.
Perhaps this is why installation of sound isn't built in.
> Try this... Find an .au file somewhere (quite a few on the net in
various
> places). type this command...
>
> cp <whatever>.au /dev/audio
What would this do?
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From: Bart Trojanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Parallel port scanner
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:44:27 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is an excelent package called 'sane'. I am not sure if it
supports this scanner. Search for it on freshmeat.net.
Rob wrote:
> How do I go about using a parallel port scanner under linux, it's a
> CanoScan FB310.
> Thanks,
> Rob.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,redhat.config
Subject: Re: SiS 530
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:38:39 GMT
Uhmm, I forgot something....
After running xf86config I did:
rm /usr/X11R6/bin/X
ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/XFCom_SiS /usr/X11R6/bin/X
This seems to point X-Windows to the new downloaded X-server or
something....
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From: Piotr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: PAS16: how??
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:44:06 -0700
Carlos,
I have the same PAS16 card. The SCSI/CD rom portion was detected during
installation and is running just fine. The sound is not. I tried all the
settings combinations,and basically all I am getting is this message:
the following error ocurred while running modprobe: "Init_module: device
or resource busy". The module is pas2.o, io=220, or 230 or 240 (I do not
have 388 option on my card), I tried all irq/dma settings.
Any clue?
How are you approaching SB emulation? How are you loading the sb module?
Do I need to force the "native PAS" option address to 388?
thanks
Piotr
Carlos Wexler wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a PAS16 sound+scsi card. This card has two sound channels (one is
> an 8 bit sb-type channel and the other is a 16 bit "native" channel) and
> one scsi adapter.
>
> I used to have this card running under slackware 3.6 using the following
> config: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> scsi: pas16 io=0x388 irq=10
> native sound: pas2 io=0x388 irq=12 dma=7
> sb emul: sb io=0x220 irq=9 dma=1
> (swaps irq's of the first two lines and different io of the sb)
>
> I could never, however, get the sb portion of the card working...
Piotr Edelman
SDI West
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From: Richard Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.dev.sound
Subject: Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI ???
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:36:53 GMT
In article <7ke6im$q57$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <sBna3.669$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Dariusz Goi�ski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Greetings form Poland !!!
> >
> > I have Ensoniq AudioPCI sound card, but I can't configure it. Is
there
> any
> > source code or driver for Linux. I'm using RedHat 6.0
> >
> > Please send answers to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Thank YOU :-)
> >
> >
> Try logging in as root and typing
>
> # sndconfig
>
> or, if that didn't work, provide more detail on
> what you tried, and what happened.
>
> -A
>
I have no answer to this, in fact I am seeking one. I too have an
Ensoniq ES1371 card, and I cannot make it work in SuSE 5.2 with KDE 1.
The problem is I've never found a config tool for it, and sndconfig and
soundcfg are 'not recognised commands'.
Though I will now try # sndconfig (different to sndconfig I notice).
BTW I have had this card working fine under RedHat 5.2 so I (and you)
know it will work, it is worth persevering (unlike a friend of mine who
tried for days on end to install a card that was not supported :p )
Richard
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From: "jerry keeney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compatible Modems for Linux
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:46:20 -0500
w8tn4g0d0t;
I also just got a Zoom Dualmode external modem. I have been trying to get
it configured with isapnp, with not much luck. Linux Mandrake 5.3 (redhat
5.2), and when linux boots up, it lists ttsy02 as irq 4, and I have tried
to change that (no luck), and also using isapnp.conf, setting to irq 4, no
luck. The modem works under windows on irq 3. Any suggestions (Zoom 2949L)
Thanks
w8tn4g0d0t <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A Zoom Dualmode w/ Lucent chipset 56k/v90 has
> worked for me under SusE 5.2, Caldera, Debian and Slackware.
>
> On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:02:14 -0500, Earl Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Am wondering if anyone can recomend a not too expensive modem for Linux.
> >I have a WinModem (even though its not officially) that will not work
> >due to hardware controllers. Any help is appreciated.
> >
> >
>
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From: "Neil L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Promise Ultra66 controller rumor
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:37:33 -0500
I don't think this is quite true.
I am in the process of setting up an old Gateway system with a Promise
Ultra66 card connected to a WD 18 GB Expert drive, and I have a 3-com
ethernet card.
I had to compile Kernel 2.3.8 to get it going, but I have- no problems so
far.
But this is still a work-in-progress.
Neil
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Greg Bartels wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
Someone just told me that to run a PCI card at
66 mhz, all PCI cards in the computer
need to be 66 Mhz. is this true?
if so, where the H am I going to get a
PCI 66 mhz ethernet card and modem?
is a differnt motherboard chipset used
to run PCI66 Mhz? how do I identify
a motherboard that can even handle PCI 66?
Greg
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From: Greg Bartels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT!
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:47:10 -0400
Alex Lam wrote:
>
> Brian Hartman wrote:
> I nuked sp-4). NT a work horse? You must be pulling my leg... It'll
> crash even if you try to delete a few
> hundred MB of files at a time.
I can confirm this from direct experience.
happened to me a couple days ago on my NT machine.
I had to reboot.
Greg
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From: Alex Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT!
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:45:41 -0700
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> Brian Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > For 'ease', consumer-I-wanna-plug-it-in-like-a-toaster
> > > kinda ease, a kludge clone just won't do. They're built
> > > to be cheap and flexible, not reliable and easy.
> > >
>
> > Well, if you buy an off-the-shelf computer (say a Dell or a Compaq
> > or such, you definitely get a lot more ease of use than something
> > you patch together yourself. That's for sure. Hey, we're two for
> > two in agreement so far. :)
>
> i would vehemently disagree in the compaq case. compaq used to be
> great but is now a packard-bell wannabe. compaq has a special case,
> special motherboard, and recently motherboard embedded sound. it's a
> pain in the ass if you ever want to add anything to it. as for
> running a different operating system, it can be painful since
> everything is a special kludge.
>
> get a generic white box from a small mom and pop located in your local
> <ethnic> section of town. you get standard parts. you can call out
> specific brand name parts (try getting dell to *not* ship you a win-
> modem). the small shops will let you buy it without an operating
> system and let you avoid the microsoft tax. the case will allow
> upgrading the motherboard and so on.
>
Amen. Generic / brand names mix from small ethnic minorities run shop is
the best way to go.
Alex Lam.
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From: Barry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Monitor dies while installing Redhat 5.2
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:43:14 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have posted this on other groups, but have had no solution.
I am trying to install RedHat 5.2 on a very old but much upgraded Dell
computer. The BIOS is Phoenix, vintage 1993, and not upgradeable. I am
using the free distribution which came from the magazine PC Plus, and
created the boot disk. I have tried booting from the install floppy in
default and expert mode but each time the monitor dies, and the light
that indicates connection with the PC extinguishes. This happens soon
after I press ENTER from the welcome screen. I see "Loading initrd.img";
the monitor dies, but the disc keeps busy for a while.
The computer uses ordinary system memory for display, and in Windows 9x
it runs as a default S3 type. I have searched the documentation but
can't find the parameter to define my display type in expert mode.
Someone suggested fitting a video board. I don't see what difference
this would make and is not really a viable option. Others have suggested
twiddling X-Windows, but the monitor dies long before X-Windows is
loaded. Oddly enough, the same thing happens when I boot SuSE 5.2 from
the floppy. However, when I boot SuSE from Linload, everything looks
fine, and I have got as far as the point where you partition the disc.
What can I do?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michal Jaegermann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Windows easy to install? BULLSHIT!
Date: 24 Jun 1999 17:54:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brian Hartman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Michal Jaegermann wrote:
: > Brian Hartman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: >
: > : In the first place, you need to be a *lot* more unlucky to find a company with a
:bad
: > : Windows driver.
: >
: > Oh yeah! And a mail client which can wrap lines like it should!
: >
: > I have to be one of those "unlucky" people which run into problems
: > with Windows all the time. Karma - I guess.
: >
: > I remember quite vividly how my "Windows wizzard" friend spent quite
: > long evening rescuing my 'doze installation because we had to switch
: > a graphics card for one reason or another and this was not a pretty
: > sight to watch. On Linux side I had to replace one server with another
: > one and switch one or two links. I was up and running with a full
: > graphics under five minutes.
: >
: It definitely depends on what graphics driver you buy, although I'm a little
:surprised it
: was that difficult, once you got the card in. Normally, you install the card,
:reboot in
: 640x480 mode,
Yes, yes! I know the theory. In theory I can even do that myself.
Only a practice is a bit different and I have seen a similar stuff on
a number of occasions. :-) This is called "Reboot, reboot, reboot and
pray". The card in question, which was getting in, was one of Diamond
S3 cards - BTW. When I have seen that "procedure" for the first time
I was surprised myself. I did not realize that things are __that__ bad.
: > He confirmed,
: > naive and innocent, and all the hell broke loose; booting doze was
: > quite a challenge after that.
: >
: Seems like bad software to me. (And coming from MS, I'm not surprised.)
So why do you think that an underlying OS, coming from the same source, is
any better in anything - installation including? The fact that anybody
with an access to a keyboard may overwrite, even without malicious
intentions, vital system libraries, and that installation software from
OS manufacturer is stupid enough to allow for that, already qualifies it
as a junky toy. My son was not unzipping random archives in blind.
: Win98 is not an OS for serious computer people doing intensive tasks. It's an OS for
: novices and those who don't really understand the sofware side.
It came preloaded on the laptop and it was not an option. It also has
a number of nice toys to play with TV pcmcia cards which do not exist
under Linux (can you spell "proprietary undocumented interfaces"?).
There is also quite a few people convinced that you need it for
"office productivity" software. Ahem...
: If you're buying a pre-installed OS, you're no longer talking about ease of install.
Well, this is what you are talking about in most cases when Windows
are involved. You boot your computers and Windows are installed.
What a bliss!
Michal
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From: Chris Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MUST I have network card to connect to ISP?
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:15:54 -0400
Nope.... A modem will do just fine. Just don't get a "winmodem".
...cwa
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