Linux-Hardware Digest #432, Volume #12 Wed, 8 Mar 00 13:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better? ("John Howland")
Re: Would Linux work with this PC configuration? (Roland Watson)
Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better? ("Sebastian Kaliszewski")
Re: NeoMagic MagicMedia 256XL+ (Steve Molitor)
Re: NeoMagic MagicMedia 256XL+ ---- IT WORKS (Steve Molitor)
Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better? ("John Howland")
Re: Help! Linux and an ISDN internet connection (herman dumont)
How do I install my modem??? ("seb")
Need HELP to install my MODEM!! ("seb")
Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better? ("John Howland")
Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better? ("John Howland")
Re: Waves sound on linux (Alan W Black)
Re: Dell Poweredge 4100/200 install? ("James.C.Johnston")
Re: Cyrix and Linux (Jason Breitweiser)
Re: Would Linux work with this PC configuration? (Jason Breitweiser)
Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better? ("Ron Reaugh")
Re: Impasse with 2 SCSI controllers, kernel mods required? (Marc SCHAEFER)
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From: "John Howland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:09:42 -0800
Easy - http://developer.intel.com/design/PentiumIII/prodbref/
"Versions that incorporate 256 KB Advanced Transfer Cache (on-die, full-speed level 2
(L2) cache
with Error Correcting Code (ECC) or versions that incorporate a discrete, half-speed,
512 KB in
package L2 cache with ECC. "
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Ron Reaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BOvx4.3555$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> John Howland wrote in message ...
> > No, the Coppermine L2 cache runs at full CPU MHz...
>
>
> Site a source for that unsubstantiated claim.
>
>
> >Sebastian Kaliszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message
> >news:8a5f8t$7n7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Dean_Kent wrote in message <#41yLVMi$GA.96@cpmsnbbsa02>...
> >> [snip]
> >> >The Coppermine processors have a 256K full speed L2 cache that is
> 'wider'
> >> >than the Klamath processors 512K 1/2 speed cache. It has a higher
> initial
> >> >latency, but better overall throughput. Net result is that the Cu
> >> >processors are faster. FSB is the same (memory to CPU), it is the
> cache
> >> >speed that is different (BSB).
> >>
> >>
> >> Err, small correction. Coppermine has half speed cache as well (look at
> the
> >> burst scheme: X-0-2-0), but with 256bit bus and has much lower (not
> higher)
> >> latency (about factor of 4, Cumine L2 latency is ~8 cycles, while Katmai
> L2
> >> latency is over 20 cycles).
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Sebastian Kaliszewski
> >> --
> >> "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - from Notebooks of
> L.L.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From: Roland Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would Linux work with this PC configuration?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:17:02 +0000
jaelica wrote:
>
> If possible, get Partition Magic (or some utility like it) and
> dual boot (I'm assuming you're currently running some version of
> Windows). That way, you can test the setup and see if it works
> before you go through the trouble of erasing a working
> configuration only to re-create it later.
>
> I haven't tried using a scanner or DVD on my Linux side, so I
> don't know how they would work. One good thing about Linux: you
> *know* someone's tried it before ;-).
>
> Have you checked the Linux Documentation Project? You may find
> some good help there:
>
> http://www.linuxdoc.org/
>
Thanks, a useful site.
Roland.
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From: "Sebastian Kaliszewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:24:43 GMT
John Howland wrote in message ...
> No, the Coppermine L2 cache runs at full CPU MHz...
So why it transfers data every second cycle: burst is: X-0-0-0-2-0-0-0,with
64bit transfers (or X-0-2-0 for 128 bit transfers), So 128bits per cycle is
transferred on *average*, but it comes in 256bit blocks every second cycle.
So it's half speed 256bit wide cache. BTW. Full speed 256bit wide cache
makes virtually no sense on Cumine, simply because it has only one load port
thus it's max data load bandwidth is 128bit (SSE transfer is 128bit) per
cycle (L1 code cache misses are so rare that it simply doesn't make sense to
designate entire 128bits/cycle bandwidth only for it).
Regards
Sebastian Kaliszewski
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"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - from Notebooks of L.L.
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Subject: Re: NeoMagic MagicMedia 256XL+
From: Steve Molitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 08 Mar 2000 11:19:39 -0600
Jason Grenier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Run XF86Setup. Choose under card the neomagic notebook/laptop. Then click
> detailed. Choose the NM2200 Chipset.
I meant to post this to the list.
Thanks for the info!
Do you have an xf86config file? When I run XF86Setup, the display is
all messed up and I can't see what I'm doing.
--
Steve Molitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Emacs is the Computer"
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Subject: Re: NeoMagic MagicMedia 256XL+ ---- IT WORKS
From: Steve Molitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 08 Mar 2000 11:24:25 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> For all of you out there, X doesn't seem to like 6mb of memory
> specified in the XF86Config file. This is what made me think none of it
> would work. However, commenting out the video memory line, X starts. I
> did some testing also, and it seems the driver can only handle up to
> 4mb specified in the setup file for some reason...
Sorry for the private email; I meant to post this to the list.
Can you send me and/or the list your xf86config file?
Thanks!
--
Steve Molitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Emacs is the Computer"
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From: "John Howland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:27:10 -0800
Gee Ron, I use VIA based MoBo's & have no IDE problems - what am I doing wrong? Same
with my
customers.... who buy more VIA based MoBo's then Intel?
Now you can quote post (actually you didn't even do that - you just told us where we
MIGHT find
some data) all day long... most will be from users have caused their own problems. Can
you post your
own personal data - like Dean & I can??
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Ron Reaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:5Mvx4.3550$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Dean_Kent wrote in message ...
> >Ron Reaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:Scnx4.851$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> Dean_Kent wrote in message <#41yLVMi$GA.96@cpmsnbbsa02>...
> >>
> >> -snip
> >>
> >> >When you consider that almost 50% of all Pentium II/III motherboards
> >> shipped
> >> >today to OEMs are VIA Apollo Pro based, it should tell you something...
> >>
> >>
> >> Cite a source for that figure. It's wrong.
> >
> >You sound awfully certain about that...
> >
> >Motherboard manufacturers.... I have spoken to all but two of the top 10
> >motherboard manufacturers - every one has said that 40% to 70% of all
> >Pentium III boards they've sold are VIA based. Couple that with VIA's
> >claims of 3.5 million to 4 million chipsets shipped per month, with a
> global
> >PC market of about 120 million/year and *you* do the math...
>
>
> (4 x 12)/120 * 100 = 40% max..you said "that almost 50% of all Pentium
> II/III motherboards shipped today to OEMs are VIA Apollo Pro based" So
> that's an exaggeration for starter and the figures above is high. At best
> 1/3 are VIA as your figures tend to support.
>
> >> VIA still has busmastering EIDE driver problems.
> >
> >I've tested them on several boards, and haven't seen a problem.
> >
> >Please give the details of exactly what kind of problems you are talking
> >about
>
>
> Anyone can go to www.deja.com and do a USENET power search on all: via
> busmaster problem, Feb 20 2000, 100 per page. There are 75 returns.
> Start reading.
>
> Do a USENET power search on all: intel busmaster problem, Feb 20 2000, 100
> per page. There are 34 returns. Considering that Intel outsells VIA
> ~2:1........
>
>
>
>
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From: herman dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help! Linux and an ISDN internet connection
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:36:18 +0100
David Elentok wrote:
>
> Please Help !
>
> I'm using SuSE Linux 6.2 and I can't connect to the internet with it,
> I have a Fritz PCI ISDN card.
>
> snip> set the volume, It succeeds to connect but when I'm trying to surf to a site
> (e.g. http://www.netscape.com), the Netscape Navigator tries to find the
> server and gets stuck..
>
> How can I install the ISDN card correctly and connect to the internet ?
>
> My computer is a Pentium 2 266 Mhz with 96 MB RAM, 8.4GB Hard Drive, Fritz
> PCI ISDN Card, Creative Ensoiq 64, Voodoo 3.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> David Elentok
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.davids.isMy.net
Hi,
seems you didn't put the DNS IP addresses ( of your ISP) in
/etc/resolv.conf
HTH
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http://web.wanadoo.be/herman.dumont
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From: "seb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How do I install my modem???
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:33:22 +0100
Hello
Wvdialconf can't find my modem. I'm very new to Linux. I have just installed
Linux Red Hat 6.0 for the first time and I want to be able to use my modem.
It works under Windows. There it's called HP Fast Modem with V90 (MDP3858E)
and is said to be on COM2. It is an internal modem on the ISA.
I can't find anything that says that the modem is a windows only modem and
if it works under windows it should work under Linux I think. If any of you
know a good webpage with "how to�s" that can help me, or if you have any
advice, I would be very grateful if you could share it with me.
/ Seb
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From: "seb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Need HELP to install my MODEM!!
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:42:39 +0100
Hello
Wvdialconf can't find my modem. I'm very new to Linux. I have just installed
Linux Red Hat 6.0 for the first time and I want to be able to use my modem.
It works under Windows. There it's called HP Fast Modem with V90 (MDP3858E)
and is said to be on COM2. It is an internal modem on the ISA.
I can't find anything that says that the modem is a windows only modem and
if it works under windows it should work under Linux I think. If anybody
know of a site with good "how to�s" that could help me, or if you have any
advice, I would be very grateful if you would like to share it with me.
/ Seb
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From: "John Howland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:31:50 -0800
I also sell Intel, AMD & SIS.... no I don't use a brail keyboard. I think it's you
that are
unwilling to open your eyes.
I've got a iBX, i820 (RDRAM) and VIA 694X test systems up & running right now - none
have any IDE
driver problems. Performance between the three is close.
I use 4 systems on a regular basis - 2 are Intel, 1 is VIA & the other AMD. All run
trouble free,
even use DVD on two of them.
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Ron Reaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:zNvx4.3553$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> This guy sells VIA and is....blind.
>
> John Howland wrote in message ...
> > Dean - Ignore Ron, he has only opinions (which most are based on either
> post of others or reviews
> >by sites) & no data to back then up...
>
>
>
>
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From: "John Howland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better?
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:33:42 -0800
Think MHz, not timing - it runs at full CPU MHz speed.
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Sebastian Kaliszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8a6162$bt4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> John Howland wrote in message ...
> > No, the Coppermine L2 cache runs at full CPU MHz...
>
>
> So why it transfers data every second cycle: burst is: X-0-0-0-2-0-0-0,with
> 64bit transfers (or X-0-2-0 for 128 bit transfers), So 128bits per cycle is
> transferred on *average*, but it comes in 256bit blocks every second cycle.
> So it's half speed 256bit wide cache. BTW. Full speed 256bit wide cache
> makes virtually no sense on Cumine, simply because it has only one load port
> thus it's max data load bandwidth is 128bit (SSE transfer is 128bit) per
> cycle (L1 code cache misses are so rare that it simply doesn't make sense to
> designate entire 128bits/cycle bandwidth only for it).
>
> Regards
> Sebastian Kaliszewski
> --
> "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - from Notebooks of L.L.
>
>
>
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From: Alan W Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.speech.research,comp.speech
Subject: Re: Waves sound on linux
Date: 08 Mar 2000 12:41:00 -0500
Scott Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm using Entropics Waves on a linux machine, and I'm getting a short,
> but loud and annoying pop whenever I play part of a file to earphones or
> speakers, right at the beginning of the segment. Any suggestions on how
> to get rid of this would be greatly appreciated.
> Scott Kiesling
There could be two reasons for this first the file is headered and
its playing the header as if it is partof the waveform.
The second is that the whatever you are using isn't talking to your
audio device properly. We find that audio on Linux is sometimes
flakey and you get extraneous noises when playing things, only a
reboot clears it. Other solutions are to use a different audio
playing program that may talk to your particular audio device better.
You could try Edinburgh Universities na_play program which does support
Entropics -r*:* selection options (though I vaguely remember there
was a problem with entropic headered files that have predefined
offsets in the header). I have
play_prog na_play
in my .wave_pro and it seems to work (on Linux and elsewhere), or
at least it did, I don't have access to X-waves anymore. na_play
does seem to have problems with some Linux audio cards though.
You can get na_play as part of the festival distribution from
http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/download.html
As source or as an rpm.
Alan
Alan W Black email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Language Technologies Institute http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~awb/
Carnegie Mellon University tel: +1-412-268-6299
5000 Forbes Ave, Pittsburgh PA, 15213, USA. fax: +1-412-268-6298
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From: "James.C.Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dell Poweredge 4100/200 install?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:37:37 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I didn't see the 4100/200 listed, but I'll check again. The system is primarily
a file server but we have also hosted my group's web pages on it too (using
IIS which is another reason i want to move it to Linux!). The SCSI controllers
are built onto the motherboard and are Adaptec AIC 7860 and 7880.
Kimo Bonnelycke wrote:
> Check www.redhat.com and look in the hardware comp. section. From what I
> can see, you should not have a problem.
> Do you know the make and model of the scsi cards? What is the machine going
> to be used for, dasd, nfs?
>
> Regards
>
> Kimo Bonnelycke
>
> "James.C.Johnston" wrote:
>
> > Has anyone tried to install Linux on a Dell Poweredge 4100/200 server?
> > It has dual Pentium Pro 200 processors, built in ATI Mach 64 display
> > controller, and 2 SCSI chains - a narrow one for the CD-ROM and 4mm tape
> > and a wide one for the disk drives.
> >
> > It currently runs NT 4.0 but we are having problems with it. I would
> > like to dump NT and move to Linux (red Hat 6.1) but I want to see if
> > anybody has managed to get it to run successfully before I try it. (I've
> > got a fair amount of data to move around to make this happen)
> >
> > Chris Johnston
> > NASA Glenn Research Center
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From: Jason Breitweiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cyrix and Linux
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:44:02 GMT
I had a cyrix 200Mhz MMX and it worked fine. There should be no
problems.
Jason
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to know if there are any comflicts with a Cyrix CPU and Linux.
God
> know it conflicts with almost anything else. :)
>
> --
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> http://www.help.com/
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Jason Breitweiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would Linux work with this PC configuration?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:52:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Roland Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me if the following spec is compatible with RedHat
> Linix?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland Watson.
>
> Mouse: MS\256 IntelliMouse & Mouse pad
Yes
> Keyboard: Windows 105-key Keyboard
Yes
> External Ports: 1 Parallel, 2 Serial Ports, 2 USB ports
Yes, Yes, Mostly (usb is in development and soome things don't work.)
> Scanner: AGFA Snapscan 1212P Scanner
Is it usb, if so see above. SANE covers a good many scanners so you
will have to check there.
> Monitor: 17" EV700 colour Monitor (15.9" viewable
area)
Yes
> Multimedia: Creative 1373 Digital Sound Card & Creative
> GCS200 Speakers
Yes and Yes
> Graphics Accelerator: VOODOO 3 3000 16MB Graphics Card
Yes, at linux.3Dfx.com
> Bios Chip: Phoenix BIOS
yes
> Fax/Modem: V.90 56K Data/Fax/Voice Modem with free
> gateway.net Internet Access
The fax modem is mostliklt a Winmodem. They won't work. check if it
is an HCF or HSP in system properties. If it is a full modem, then yes.
> CD-ROM: Toshiba DVD VI 12x DVD 48x CD
Yes, use DECSS if you can find it. Otherwise it works just like a
cdrom.
> Memory: 128MB 100MHz SDRAM (expandable to 768MB)
yes
> Chipset: Intel 440BX chipset
yes
> Expansion Slots: 4 PCI, 1 shared ISA/PCI slot + 1 AGP slot
yes
> Processor: Intel 550MHz Pentium III Processor
yes
> Printer: Epson Stylus Colour 460 Printer
Check for a ghostscript driver. Mostlikely yes.
> Cache: 512K L2 Cache
yes
> Hard Drive: Western Digital 20GB 7200rpm IDE Hard Drive
yes
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Ron Reaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems
Subject: Re: VIA vs Intel chipsets - which is better?
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:04:47 GMT
John Howland wrote in message ...
> Gee Ron, I use VIA based MoBo's & have no IDE problems - what am I doing
wrong?
You sell em and are wearing blinders.
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From: Marc SCHAEFER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux.caldera
Subject: Re: Impasse with 2 SCSI controllers, kernel mods required?
Date: 8 Mar 2000 14:35:58 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.system teri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Kernel recompile, this time with no 1542CF driver built-in. It is now
: impossible to load the driver (Device or resource busy). I have read
Any message issued by the dmesg command ? if it says something like
`cannot allocate IRQ', reserve that IRQ in the PCI/PNP BIOS
configuration as used by ISA/Legacy.
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