Linux-Hardware Digest #101, Volume #13 Fri, 23 Jun 00 12:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Water cooling system ("Eric W Braeden")
Re: xset dpms no longer works ("ne...")
Re: Epson Stylus Color 740 ("Peter Crilly")
Re: Help on motherboard decision ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution (Derek Colley)
Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution (Derek Colley)
sysquest sparq 1gb. ("Samuel Irlapati")
How to make a bootable Linux CD ? (Kit-pui Wong)
Crash copying large directories (Bruce)
Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ??? (Craig Kelley)
Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ???
Re: How to make a bootable Linux CD ? ("Matthew Hager S.")
Trouble printing on non standard printer (Alexander Sparkowsky)
4 gyg HD and Mandrake ("j")
Re: How to make a bootable Linux CD ? (Dances With Crows)
Re: Is my Athlon going bad? ("B. Joshua Rosen")
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From: "Eric W Braeden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Water cooling system
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:12:00 -0400
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:5cz45.214947>
> The notion of needing liquid cooling outside of a _seriously_
> heavy-duty computing environment just sounds Very Silly.
>
> What's next? A 4GHz environment where you need to use liquid sodium
> to pull the heat out?
>
> "Oops, Mom, the cooling system sprung a leak, and the house blew up."
>
> This is an argument in favor of looking to one or another of the
> "cool-running" CPUs like those from Transmeta.
Actually, it's not so silly. A lot of the "Extreme" setups you see on
the web are pretty crude. But a professional setup could change
people's minds overnight. A closed-loop system with a waterblock
can actually be smaller than a air-fan cooled system because water
is about 25x better than air for moving heat.
The Transmeta system at the same performance level will generate
about the same total wattage. The heat is, however, spread out
over several chips and not concentrated like normal CPUs.
Eric
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xset dpms no longer works
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:17:45 GMT
On Jun 23, 2000 at 00:16, Shippy! eloquently wrote:
>I've recently installed Linux Mandrake 7.1 and I'm using
>XFree86 4.0. Before, I was running RedHat Linux 6.1 with
>XFree86 3.3.6 When I used to run RedHat, I had a line in
>my .xinitrc that said 'xset dpms 0 0 300' and after 5
>minutes of idle time my monitor would go into sleep mode.
>
>Now, I'm still trying to use that same line to make my
>monitor sleep, but it no longer turns off. Even if I
>say 'xset dpms force off', my monitor doesn't turn off.
>I'm sure it has something to do with the new X server
>I'm running, but I'm not sure how to fix it.
>
>X detects my monitor as a standard SVGA and my video
>card is an nVIDIA TNT2 running with 32bpp at 1024x768.
>If anybody could help me fix this, I would really appreciate
>it. Thanks!
I believe this is something that you put in the
XF86Config file now. Check out the following web
page for further details:
http://www.xfree86.org/4.0/RELNOTES2.html#4
--
Registered Linux User # 125653
Consultants are mystical people who ask a company for a number and then
give it back to them.
11:11am up 6 days, 10:18, 7 users, load average: 0.25, 0.19, 0.12
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From: "Peter Crilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Epson Stylus Color 740
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:00:05 +0100
Do you have permission to print?
I had the same problem. But if I logged on as root I could print OK.
Pete
"Eric J. Shamow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8iqrih$ev7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi all -
>
> I'm working with an Epson SC740, kernel version 2.2.16, and I've run into
> something of a wall:
>
> The print daemon is running, the parallel support module is loaded, and
yet
> my printer refuses to print. Output redirected to /dev/lp0 produces no
> response, but no error messages either. The cable is fine, the printer is
> fine.
>
> Just for kicks I tried running the APSFilter config (don't know why this
> would work if > /dev/lp0 wouldn't) - same deal, no error message, and no
> printing.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance -
>
> -Eric
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help on motherboard decision
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:31:17 GMT
In article <wY345.10653$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Tom Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neal Lippman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Greetings. I am planning to build my first PC this summer.
> > Although I've done various hardware additionals/substractions over
> > the years, this will be my first attempt at building the whole
> > thing from scratch. I am hoping for a little guidance on hardware
> > selection.
> >
> > I am planning an Intel PIII based system, maybe around 733 Mhz or
> > so, with 256 MB RAM, and the usual array of accoutrements (30-40GB
> > 7200 RPM HD, DVD, CD writer, USB ports, sound, maybe firewire,
> > 10/100 NIC). To start off, I am trying to refine my selection of
> > system board. I was thinking along the lines of the Intel cc820
> > series, but having read so much negative press about them, I have
> > come around to realizing that is not likely to be the best choice.
> > Others on this NG have posted positive comments about the ASUS
> > boards.
>
> Asus or Soyo. Get a 700e or a 750e, but not a 733. You'll
> have the best system with a BX board and a 100mhz FSB p3, ie, an
> 'e', but not an 'eb'. Use at least pc100 cas2 ram (8ns, CL2)
> non ECC
>
> The i8<whatever> chipsets are even worse than you're read,
> VIA's aren't much better.... go BX. I like the Soyo 6ba+IV
> --
> ~~ Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there any BX FCPGA boards you can recommend, or is it better off go
with a slot 1? How about ASUS CUBX?
Is there any advantage to get a 133MHz board for 700e or 750e for
possible overclocking?
Thanks,
Xiaobin
>
> >
> > What I am hoping to find is either some sage advice on system
> > board selection, or perhaps some pointers to reasonable and
> > reliable reviews of boards that would help me in making this
> > decision.
> >
> > Oh yes, btw, I am more than likely to run Linux (Mandrake 7.1) on
> > this system as the primary OS, possibly with Win98 either in a
> > small partition of its own for a dual boot, or more likely in a
> > VMware virtual machine, just in case I need to use something like
> > Quicken. As a result, I need to ensure Linux compatibility with
> > all components that I select.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help offered. Neal
> >
>
>
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From: Derek Colley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:15:39 +0100
This is action, not just words... �399 excluding VAT @ 17.5% - that's the cake!
Now can I eat it...? Could you supply the thing flat-packed, less �50 - I'll
take one! (With more orders to follow once the customised [hardened] kernel has
been approved/declared fit for purpose).
Rgds,
Derek
Richard Clafton wrote:
> "Richard Clafton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8iq7le$avc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > A man of my word - for all you techies out their who would like to build
> > themselves a 1U Server to their own specification, we now have available a
> > BARE BONES kit with 1U Case, PSU, Motherboard and Floppy Drive - rack
> > mounting kit and all other accessories.
> >
> > www.OSRAQ.com/prices.htm
> >
> > Richard Clafton
> > Technical Director
> > OSR@Q Servers
> > www.OSRAQ.com
> >
> Plonker here: Of course, due to the fact that I am still using web
> forwarding the above url would not work. ;-)!
>
> the correct url is: www.oseu.co.uk/prices.htm
>
> Thats what you get when you let a Windows blokey in a Linux News Group ;o)
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
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From: Derek Colley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:15:21 +0100
This is action, not just words... �399 excluding VAT @ 17.5% - that's the cake!
Now can I eat it...? Could you supply the thing flat-packed, less �50 - I'll
take one! (With more orders to follow once the customised [hardened] kernel has
been approved/declared fit for purpose).
Rgds,
Derek
Richard Clafton wrote:
> "Richard Clafton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8iq7le$avc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > A man of my word - for all you techies out their who would like to build
> > themselves a 1U Server to their own specification, we now have available a
> > BARE BONES kit with 1U Case, PSU, Motherboard and Floppy Drive - rack
> > mounting kit and all other accessories.
> >
> > www.OSRAQ.com/prices.htm
> >
> > Richard Clafton
> > Technical Director
> > OSR@Q Servers
> > www.OSRAQ.com
> >
> Plonker here: Of course, due to the fact that I am still using web
> forwarding the above url would not work. ;-)!
>
> the correct url is: www.oseu.co.uk/prices.htm
>
> Thats what you get when you let a Windows blokey in a Linux News Group ;o)
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
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From: "Samuel Irlapati" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sysquest sparq 1gb.
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:56:18 -0400
Has anyone tried getting a syquest sparq 1gb, parallel port drive to work
with linux? I use redhat 6.2.
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From: 86040175@$MAILHOST (Kit-pui Wong)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: How to make a bootable Linux CD ?
Date: 23 Jun 2000 14:53:58 GMT
Hi there,
Just a "simple" question: How to make a Linux
bootable CD that can boot-off into a clean shell ?
It would be useful to maintain HD from time to time,
isn't it ?
I tried to boot from the Installation CDs of RedHat,
CorelLinux, Caldera ..... etc. Unfortunnately, NONE
of them lets user quit the install procedures and get
into a clean shell.
many thanks for any hint !
Kit
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From: Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Crash copying large directories
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:18:52 GMT
I have recently set up a linux (Debian 2.2) box as a
file/print/internet server. It seems to work well for most things, but
will invariably crash if I try to copy a large amount of files at once,
i.e. if I try to move a folder with several hundred Mb of files from
another machine over the network, the server may completely and utterly
lock up (no keyboard response whatsoever, can't telnet in, etc.).
Could this be due to a hardware problem, i.e., bad blocks on the server
HD, or bad RAM, or is it more likely due to a software error? I realize
this is an awfully general question, but I'm not sure what more
specific information to provide to help narrow down the problem.
Thanks in advance,
Bruce
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ???
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 23 Jun 2000 09:30:18 -0600
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I tend to wait for "official" releases of Debian. It just seems easier
> to wait for the official release than wait for a three day download. (I
> can't wait for my DSL connection, maybe then I'll change my mind.) As
> it is right now I can order a CD from LSL or Cheapbytes and have it
> shipped faster than I can download the ISO of any distribution.
So you're still running a 2.0 kernel, then? :)
--
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http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 486 Linux setup, 250 meg HD, which distro ???
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:39:16 GMT
On 23 Jun 2000 09:21:11 GMT, Daniel Haude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 22 Jun 2000 12:27:21 GMT,
> J Bland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> in Msg. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>| The minimum install for SuSE 6.4 is ~80MB. Which would easily fit onto the
>| harddrive, and that's with Perl iirc.
>
>Sure, I was just talking about the default assumptions of what the
>customer wants. There, I'd judge Slackware and Debian as "small" and SuSE
>as "big".
Slack and Debian also have different assumptions about their
target customers (or rather should).
[deletia]
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From: "Matthew Hager S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to make a bootable Linux CD ?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:27:43 -0500
Here's the pertinant information from the CD-Writing HOWTO:
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.11
It mentions something about a 1.44mb boot image, get the information on
that here:
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/index.html
Remember to -always- check the HOWTOS, there's ALOT of information that
I've found useful there.
Good luck!
-mhs
Kit-pui Wong wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Just a "simple" question: How to make a Linux
> bootable CD that can boot-off into a clean shell ?
>
> It would be useful to maintain HD from time to time,
> isn't it ?
>
> I tried to boot from the Installation CDs of RedHat,
> CorelLinux, Caldera ..... etc. Unfortunnately, NONE
> of them lets user quit the install procedures and get
> into a clean shell.
>
> many thanks for any hint !
>
> Kit
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From: Alexander Sparkowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trouble printing on non standard printer
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:03:01 +0200
Hello,
we are trying to print on a plastic card printer using an own software.
It seems that the detection of the status lines (busy, paper, error,
...). When we started sending simple but time consumpting commands to
the printer (/dev/lp0) the kernel (2.2.15) was sending one command after
another without waitning for the busy-line to become inactive. We also
tried the Java-Comm-API (which uses the standard io functions) whith the
same result. We know that the printer sets the busy line correctly
because we had a diagnostic tool running on Windows.
Anybody could help?
Alexander Sparkowsky
--
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Germany
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From: "j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 4 gyg HD and Mandrake
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:01:36 -0500
Ok here is an odd problem.
I have a 4.3 gig HD that has worked fine wince I bought it in 97. My bios
recognizes it fine. So does windoze. Ive been using Red Hat 6.2 and That
recognizes it just fine for its full size.
Then I got Mandrake 7.1 wich has a lot of features I wish to try. However,
it detects the HD as having about only 1800 megs. I cant find anyway arround
it
Now, I Really need those other 2 megs.
I can go back to red hat (wich I have done for the moment and it still
recognizes the full HD) but I realy want to get Mandrake working.
Any ideas whats wrong?
k6/2 350
Maxtor HD
Red Hat 6.2, Mandrake 7.1
PLEASE dont bother sending me the "get [slackware/suse/debian . . . .] its a
REAL distribution" crap. Im a linux newbie and am trying to learn the
system. :)
John Kendrick :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How to make a bootable Linux CD ?
Date: 23 Jun 2000 12:07:07 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 23 Jun 2000 14:53:58 GMT, Kit-pui Wong
<<8ivtm6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Just a "simple" question: How to make a Linux
>bootable CD that can boot-off into a clean shell ?
Linuxcare were distributing business-card-sized CD-ROMs that contained a
rather large rescue system (100M or so of utilities IIRC, compressed into
40M to fit.) I believe you can download the ISO image of this from their
website somewhere:
http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/download.epl
>It would be useful to maintain HD from time to time, isn't it ?
Not sure what you mean. You shouldn't have to use a rescue system unless
your drives get horribly corrupted. Linux does not require regular
defragging/rebooting, and people routinely have 100-day uptimes without
problems.
>I tried to boot from the Installation CDs of RedHat,
>CorelLinux, Caldera ..... etc. Unfortunnately, NONE
>of them lets user quit the install procedures and get
>into a clean shell.
What? Ctrl-Alt-[F2...F6] one of those F-keys should give you a clean
virtual console where you're already logged in as root. ps auxw | more ,
find the install process(es), kill them, "clean shell". No, it's not
elegant, but it works.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: "B. Joshua Rosen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is my Athlon going bad?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:09:16 -0400
The reason that I said that it was the reset that corrupted the
filesystems is that I've done this to myself on several occasions, I've
reset the machine deliberately when X was wedged, a couple of times
because I wasn't thinking, and I've also seen it happen because of power
failures (I've fixed the power problem with a UPS, fixing my own
stupidity is another matter).
If you don't have multiple partitions on your machine, you might want to
buy a copy of PartitionMagic (assuming that its a dual boot system, I
don't think that Partition Magic can run directly on Linux).
PartitionMagic can resize partitions without losing any data. I always
set up my partitions as follows
/ Used for the OS and Redhat installed applications
/home Everything else, including all data and user installed
applications
I link /opt to /home/opt and /usr/local to /home/usr/local.
By setting things up this way I can always blow / away and do a clean
install without losing anything. Since I'm constantly messing with
things and shooting myself in the foot this setup is like having a pair
of steel towed boots.
I've also seen Netscape go nuts and eat all of the system resources
which seems like a crash.
Bernhard Mogens Ege wrote:
>
> >>>>> "B" == B Joshua Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Several questions,
> > 1) Did your system become unstable after a software upgrade, or did it
> > just happen?
>
> Just happened as far as I can tell (the first anyway, since then I
> have upgraded kernel and orther packages).
>
> > 2) Have you added any new hardware?
>
> No, no hardware changes at all.
>
> > 3) You mentioned that you were running Netscape when it hung, is it
> > always Netscape that's running when it hangs? Netscape is a piece of
> > crap that crashes all the time, and frequently wedges X Windows in the
> > process. Ctrl Alt Backspace usually can fix it, but not always. Netscape
> > is very sensitive to communications problems so if your internet
> > connection has become less reliable then you'll see more Netscape
> > problems.
>
> Keyboard was dead, so was the mouse. Couldn't telnet or ftp in (the
> sockect connection was established, though). The first crash caused a
> complete kernel lockup (no response) and hardware reset was my only
> option.
>
> Can netscape cause a complete system crash (no telnet access)? I can
> understand netscape killing X (has happened some times to me) but the
> kernel?
>
> > A few things to try,
>
> > It's possible that you have a hardware problem, but the first thing to
> > do is make sure all of your DIMMS, boards and cables are seated
> > properly. Open up your machine and jiggle everything.
>
> Good ide, completely forgot that one. This could help. Maybe use less
> aggressive timings in the bios (haven't toughed them for several
> month, though).
>
> > It's also possible that something in the OS has been corrupted or that
> > you added something that was incompatiable. I'd grab an up to date
> > distribution, like RedHat 6.2, and do a clean install. By clean I mean
> > reformat the / partition and then re-install the OS. An upgrade is
> > likely to make things worse and won't fix any problems that are caused
> > by a bad settings. A clean install will get you a consistant set of
> > components and will get all of the configurations back to a known good
> > baseline. If you do this make sure all of your data is on a different
> > partition, and copy /etc over to a different partition so that you can
> > reference your old settings (mostly fstab and the various networking
> > configurations) when you are reconfiguring the system after the
> > re-install.
>
> Hmmm, this I would rather avoid as I have about 3.5Gb stuff laying
> around (including the rh60 install). If I reduced the extra modules
> and disabled NFS export and stuff like that, maybe I could locate the
> cause.
>
> > Finally, hitting the reset button is what caused the file system problem
> > that resulted in the manual fsck, not the prior crash. However a
> > filesystem problem severe enough to require a manual fsck means that you
> > might have lost something important, another reason to do a clean
> > install of the OS.
>
> Why do you think the reset caused the file system problem and not the
> kernel crash? For all I know, the ide driver could have been halted
> during disc update.
>
> I just wish that Linux was able to store crash data somewhere on the
> disc (or on floppy) when a crash occured.
>
> The log just doesn't mention anything about the crash...
>
> Jun 23 12:45:33 overmind PAM_pwdb[1155]: (su) session closed for user root
> Jun 23 12:45:45 overmind PAM_pwdb[1232]: (su) session opened for user root by
>bme(uid=21359)
> Jun 23 13:18:55 overmind syslogd 1.3-3: restart.
> Jun 23 13:18:55 overmind syslog: syslogd startup succeeded
> Jun 23 13:18:55 overmind syslog: klogd startup succeeded
> Jun 23 13:18:55 overmind kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
>
> Crash happened between 12:45 and 13:18...
>
> regards,
>
> Bernhard Ege
>
> > Bernhard Mogens Ege wrote:
> >>
> >> My Athlon is freezing more often than I care for. It has happened 4
> >> times now, 3 times at night, and 1 just now. This last time it hasn't
> >> been running more than 16 hours!
> >>
> >> I am using the 2.2.16 kernel with the ide driver patch applied (to
> >> make it recognize my ide controller). The patch I do not suspect as
> >> the crashing has occured before I used that patch.
> >>
> >> The crash was as follows:
> >>
> >> I watched netscape draw a page (loading big image from net) and the
> >> machine suddenly stopped responding (no mouse, keyboard). From another
> >> machine I could ping it (kernel responed normally), and a telnet and
> >> ftp did connect, but the daemons never got further than establishing
> >> the connection (no HD access).
> >>
> >> ctrl-alt-del did not work. ctrl-alt-backspace neither. alt-sysreq
> >> isn't compiled in.
> >>
> >> Nothing else to do than push hardware reset (really hate that part).
> >>
> >> On bootup, fsck did not detect any errors on the filesystem
> >> (fortunately! but on earlier crashes a manual fsck was required). Just
> >> as I was logged in (in X) the HD spun down and then spun up again!
> >> This I have never experienced before.
> >>
> >> What can be wrong with my system?
> >>
> >> The first 6 month of Linux were without crashes, now they suddenly
> >> turn up. I need this machine to work at all times (always on).
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Bernhard Ege
> >>
> >> System: Athlon Classic 500, MSI 6167, Western Digital Expert 18Gb drive, 128Mb
>RAM, 50x CDROM, 3com network interface (100Mbit)
>
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