Linux-Hardware Digest #128, Volume #13           Tue, 27 Jun 00 16:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  utils for Epson Stylus Color 900? (Ron Farrer)
  Re: How to manually mark hd sectors as bad? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI queuing sounds (Wolfgang Fritz)
  Re: parallel port programming (Wolfgang Fritz)
  Re: How to manually mark hd sectors as bad? (jiva)
  Re: ATA 66 and eide compatibility ("Martin Klingensmith")
  Re: SB Live! in Linux Problems!! (Daniil Kolpakov)
  Re: 486 for Linux and X? (Ancipital)
  Re: Linux keeps crashing/hanging - hardware problem? (Ancipital)
  Re: Help with big (60G) drive under Linux (Ancipital)
  kernel 2.2.16-3 and aacraid (boozedog)
  troubles with fdformat ("Shippy!")
  Re: PENTIJUM MII 300 ( F O N T O ) (Edward Lee)
  Re: utils for Epson Stylus Color 900? (Grant Taylor)
  Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI queuing sounds (Dances With Crows)
  Re: troubles with fdformat (Dances With Crows)
  Re: Thoughts on this configuration? (Mark Slicks)
  Re: troubles with fdformat ("David ..")
  Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution (David Coulson)
  Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution ("Alistair Mann")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Farrer)
Subject: utils for Epson Stylus Color 900?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 27 Jun 2000 10:10:32 -0700

The win/mac driver for the ESC900 includes the following utils: 

EPSON Status Monitor 2(W): Use this utility to automatically check for
errors and also check the level of ink remaining.

Nozzle Check(J): Use this utility if gaps or faint areas appear in your
printout.

Head Cleaning(D): Use this utility if your print quality declines or the
Nozzle Check indicates clogged nozzles.

Print Head Alignment(Y): Use this utility if misaligned verticles lines
appear in your printout.

Printer and Option Information(P): Use this utility to make or verify
settings for your printer and optional devices.

(any typos are mine ;-)


Now I won't bother asking if there is a tool available for Linux/UNIX as
I'm positive there isn't. I would however like to create one. Does
anyone know of any information to get me started? Anyone know if there
is a way to see what the Epson driver sends to (and expects back from)
the printer? 


TIA,

Ron
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: How to manually mark hd sectors as bad?
Date: 27 Jun 2000 17:51:02 GMT

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage paket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an old IDE hard drive that I am trying to use. The drive works,
> except when it tries to access certain sectors the drive emits a 'ticking'
> sound - I am assuming that the heads are flying around. The problem is that
> these sectors will survive a format. Is there any way to track down which
> sectors they are, and manually mark them as bad?

The old Norton Utility (4.0 or 4.5) for DOS contained DT, (Disk 
Test) which could be used to manually mar/unmark sectors.  

As for finding bad sectors, Scandisk or many of the available 
freeware/shareware/payware utilities should do the job. (and 
they'll mark the bad sectors for ya)  

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From: Wolfgang Fritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI queuing sounds
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:17:24 +0200

Dances With Crows wrote:
> 

[snip]

> The ES1371 has two output channels, dsp0 and dsp1 AFAICT, but for some
> reason only dsp0 gets used unless you explicitly configure one (or
> more) sound-emitting programs to use the other one.  DOn't know for sure
> what's up with that.
>

Did you ever got the second channel working with the es1371 driver? I
have tried it with several driver versions, and never got it running. I
am now using the commercial OSS.

I use the /dev/dsp1 for system sounds (/dev/dsp1 is output only) with
rplayd and /dev/dsp0 for the rest.

> The Enlightenment sound daemon (esd) can mix several audio sources in
> software, allowing you to stack sounds.  Many programs including xmms can
> make use of esd--have you tried that?
> 

You can also use rplayd. Many programs can be configured to play via
rplayd.

Wolfgang 
> --
> Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
> \----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
>  \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
> But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: Wolfgang Fritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: parallel port programming
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:22:39 +0200

Ruediger Knoerig wrote:
> 
> Hi folks!
> Last week I tried to write an interface program to a parallel port PIC
> programmer, which was supplied only with DOS 16 Bit Software. DOS and Win
> shit are history :-). The main task is to set D0 and D1 according to a
> synchroneous serial connection, so I tried a simple fopen() with
> /dev/parport or /dev/lp0 (as root) and unformatet writings with fputc() -
> big fail. Is there a better way to get this job done?
> 

Hi,

read the IO Port Programming mini HOWTO. The HOWTOs should be included
in your distribution, if not, check http://www.linuxdoc.org

Wolfgang

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From: jiva*@humboldt1.com (jiva)
Crossposted-To: comp.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: How to manually mark hd sectors as bad?
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:16:26 GMT

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:52:02 GMT, "paket" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I have an old IDE hard drive that I am trying to use. The drive works,
>except when it tries to access certain sectors the drive emits a 'ticking'
>sound - I am assuming that the heads are flying around. The problem is that
>these sectors will survive a format. Is there any way to track down which
>sectors they are, and manually mark them as bad?
>

it might be they are already marked bad ... your drive has substituted "spare"
sectors elsewhere on the drive and and is having to move the head to use them.
Or is finding them marginal and moving them as u access them.  Not what you
wanted to know but thought it might apply.

-jim


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From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATA 66 and eide compatibility
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:32:22 GMT

Is the hard drive 7200 RPM? if not check out
http://www.nnytech.net/frmt.php?page=tech.php for a comparison on UDMA/33
versus UDMA/66 using a 5400 RPM drive. I have a Quantum fireball and it's
been going fine 24/7 for about 6 months now. Most major-name drives will be
fine for home situations. I would recommend:

Western Digital
Seagate
Fujitsu
Quantum
IBM <- manufactured by several entities, AFAIK

However do NOT buy a Maxtor, they may get good reviews, but it's too bad no
one stress tests them because I myself have had several fail, along with
friends of mine who draw the same conclusion, they may be $5 cheaper, but
ask yourself how much your data is worth before you buy a Maxtor.

"Timothy Moll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am think of getting a new hard disk, a quantum fireball lm 20.5Gb,
> which uses an ultra ata 66 interface. Would this be compatible with my
> computer which only supports eide? And do you think the hdd is a good
> choice?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Timothy Moll
> t . moll @ usa . net
>
>
>



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From: Daniil Kolpakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SB Live! in Linux Problems!!
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:29:55 GMT

So do that chmod! You probably have no read access on device. Enter
chmod blablabla ;) in console

Marc wrote:
> 
> chris van dam wrote:
> >
> > Could anyone tell me how to install my sblive drivers under Corel Linux 1.1?
> >
> > I've tried everything, but everytime I trie to run the mixer it tells me to
> > "chmod...." bla bla
> >
> > Can anyone help please????
> 
> Have a look at:
> http://developer.soundblaster.com/linux/
> 
> Mine works fine with a self compiled beta driver
> 
> Good luck,
> --
> Marc
> 
> Logica: De kunst om het vol overtuiging bij het verkeerde eind te
> hebben.
> Remove nospam to reply

-- 
                                                        Daniil Kolpakov
                                                     mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ancipital)
Subject: Re: 486 for Linux and X?
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:31:21 GMT

On 23 Jun 2000 18:27:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Knecht) wrote:

>Could some kind soul please tell me if Linux (TurboLinux 
>Workstation) and X will run well enough for practical use on a 
>486DX-100? Only one user. Probably no graphics editing, etc. to 
>speak of.


Sure :) I used a 68060/50 for ages, and it was nice.. Make sure you
have as much ram as possible, and avoid desktops like gnome/kde.
Choose one of the lighter/faster windowmanagers, like Afterstep, WM,
FLWM, IceWM, or even sawfish (it should be slower than it is, I think
:). Turn off all lame solid drag, and maybe find a graphics card with
reasonable 2d acceleration under xfree 3.xx

Kill all services etc that you don't need, too... Just remember to
stuff it with RAM, as much as you can scrape together (test the memory
thoroughly if you're gathering it from defunct boxen, of course).

Oh, and consider compiling the kernel on another box, when you need to
recompile it :-)


Ancipital- Inedible Buddhas reality control #1
http://www.buddhas.org is currently tqt- back soon.

To unmung email addr, get rid of "nospam-" and maybe even "-thanks"

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are genuine scumbags." -Sanford Wallace

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ancipital)
Subject: Re: Linux keeps crashing/hanging - hardware problem?
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:32:54 GMT

On 24 Jun 2000 19:37:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Iway Wu)
wrote:

>I have had a Linux system running for a while now, but recently, it's
>been crashing anytime there is any intensive CPU activity.  Here's a
>short background:
[snip]

Silly question, and probably wide of the mark, but how hot does it
get?


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are genuine scumbags." -Sanford Wallace

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ancipital)
Subject: Re: Help with big (60G) drive under Linux
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:25:44 GMT

On 23 Jun 2000 01:22:39 GMT, Mark Hahn
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I'm running Redhat 6.1, kernel 2.2.14.
>
>http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk-11.html
>
>> 3. Finally, what is the filesize limit on Redhat 6.1?  Is is 2G.  If so,
>>    what version has greater file sizes?
>
>distribution is irrelevant: kernel and libc are what counts.
>I doubt 2.2's do or ever will have >2G file support, which is 
>just fine since they're obsolete old crap.  2.3 and 2.4 have 
>been faster and (most kernels) more stable, and more featureful.

Hmm, I thought that ac had snuck in some patches to the 2.2.14.xx
shipped with RatHed 62, which increased the limit? I might be wrong,
of course, it's early, and I haven't had coffee :)

BTW, 2.3 had disk i/o throughput problems for a lot of people, and was
slower than 2.2.. It all seems to be coming together nicely in
2.4.0-test2, hower (though there are lots of rough edges, of course).


Ancipital- Inedible Buddhas reality control #1
http://www.buddhas.org is currently tqt- back soon.

To unmung email addr, get rid of "nospam-" and maybe even "-thanks"

"I'm not crying victim, but I am stating that a lot of spammers 
are genuine scumbags." -Sanford Wallace

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From: boozedog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat
Subject: kernel 2.2.16-3 and aacraid
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:39:18 GMT

The RedHat 2.2.16-3 kernel update available from the "Security
Advisories" section of their Updates and Errata pages says the new
kernel has "Added Adaptec RAID (aacraid) driver". Check out this URL:

http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2000-037-02.html

Does ANYBODY know ANYTHING about this aacraid driver?!!

TIA,
boozedog


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From: "Shippy!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: troubles with fdformat
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:51 -0600

I'm trying to format a floppy disk with fdformat /dev/fd0H1440
and it seems to format and verify just fine, but when I try
to mount it, I get the following error:

mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
       or too many mounted file systems

I've tried 3 disks and all do the same thing. If I mount
it as root using mutliple filesystem types (vfat, msdos,
ext2, or minix), I get the same error. My fstab looks like this:

/dev/fd0        /floppy msdos   rw,user,unhide,noauto   0   0

Is there something I'm forgetting to do?

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+-----------------------------------------------------+
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| Computer Science Major    ICQ: 1786493              |
| New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology       |
| Homepage: http://www.nmt.edu/~shippy                |
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From: Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix,fon.hardware,yu.beotelnet,yu.comp.hardware,yu.drenik.oglasi,yu.eunet,yu.oglasi,yu.racunari
Subject: Re: PENTIJUM MII 300 ( F O N T O )
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:06:03 -0700

I don't understand this language either, but this look like for sale ads
posted to the wrong newsgroups, wrong country and wrong *.

John Gluck wrote:

> SLAVISA wrote:
>
> > Prodajem racunar pentijum koji sam dobio na igri FONTO
> >
> > PM9100C PC100 + SVGA + SB, CPU M II 300, 14' HYUNDAI Color, 4.3 GB, 32 MB
> > SDRAM, MINI TOWER, TASTATURA I MIS.

hardware descriptions?

>
> >
> > NOVO NEKORISTENO POD GARANCIJUM
> >
> > CENA 800 DEM

price?

>
> >
> > 011/3193139 i 064 1236035
>

phone/contact?

>
> Hi
>
> I've noticed that you have done quite a few posts that aren't getting
> replies.
>
> This could be for one of 2 reasons.
>
> 1- No one understands them.
> 2nd- you are useing all capital letters. That is considered to be yelling
> loudly. No one likes to be yelled at.
>
> May I suggest you get someone to help you translate your posts to english.
>
> --
> John Gluck  (Passport Kernel Design Group)
>
> (613) 765-8392  ESN 395-8392
>
> Unless otherwise stated, any opinions expressed here are strictly my own
> and do not reflect any official position of Nortel Networks.


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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: utils for Epson Stylus Color 900?
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:09:14 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron Farrer) writes:

> The win/mac driver for the ESC900 includes the following utils: 
> 
> EPSON Status Monitor 2(W): Use this utility to automatically check for
> Nozzle Check(J): Use this utility if gaps or faint areas appear in your
> Head Cleaning(D): Use this utility if your print quality declines or the
> Print Head Alignment(Y): Use this utility if misaligned verticles lines
> Printer and Option Information(P): Use this utility to make or verify

> Now I won't bother asking if there is a tool available for
> Linux/UNIX as I'm positive there isn't. I would however like to
> create one. Does anyone know of any information to get me started?
> Anyone know if there is a way to see what the Epson driver sends to
> (and expects back from) the printer?

The Gimp print project is working on these things, and appears to have
beta alignment code together.  Work with them to test/fix it.

http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/

-- 
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
 Linux Printing HOWTO and Website:  http://www.linuxprinting.org/
 I offer consulting in most things Unix/Linux/*BSD/Perl/C/C++

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Ensoniq AudioPCI queuing sounds
Date: 27 Jun 2000 15:14:48 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:17:24 +0200, Wolfgang Fritz 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Dances With Crows wrote:
>> The ES1371 has two output channels, dsp0 and dsp1 AFAICT, but for some
>Did you ever got the second channel working with the es1371 driver? I
>have tried it with several driver versions, and never got it running. I
>am now using the commercial OSS.

Well, I have xmms configured to play on /dev/dsp1, so other things can use
the "normal" channel at the same time.  I don't usually require this, as
system sounds irritate me and it's impossible to get max. performance out
of snes9x while xmms is running...  The commercial OSS didn't seem to
offer any benefits for me.

Now if only the driver would make the dual-channel thing user-transparent.  
(If dsp0 is blocked, send playback to dsp1, if both are blocked, queue the
sound(s)... but this might be better done in userspace, actually.  Hmmm.  
If only I didn't have another project that should've been finished a week
ago...)


-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: troubles with fdformat
Date: 27 Jun 2000 15:19:16 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:53:51 -0600, Shippy! 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I'm trying to format a floppy disk with fdformat /dev/fd0H1440
>and it seems to format and verify just fine, but when I try
>to mount it, I get the following error:
>
>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
>       or too many mounted file systems
>
>I've tried 3 disks and all do the same thing. If I mount
>Is there something I'm forgetting to do?

fdformat /dev/fd0h1440 && mkdosfs /dev/fd0h1440
or
fdformat /dev/fd0h1440 && mke2fs /dev/fd0h1440

Lowlevel formatting and creating a fliesystem are combined in the
FORMAT.COM program, but separate in Linux because there are several
different filesystems you can use (DOS, ext2, Minix, etc) and you may not
even need a filesystem on the floppy (use dd to do a sector copy, or use
tar cvMf /dev/fd0 /path/to/stuff to make a multifloppy archive of
whatever's in /path/to/stuff.)

-- 
Matt G / Dances With Crows      /\    "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/  \   of the Computer or her children and still
 \There is no Darkness in Eternity \  remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me

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From: Mark Slicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.hardware,comp.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Thoughts on this configuration?
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:08:05 GMT

It looks impressive, except the case and power supply.
I noticed that you are using a CDROM reader/burner in
one unit, if you want to make a CD copy, it will be
a lot of pain, you might want to get 2nd CDROM drive
or DVD drive.  However, most 6 bay PC case will not be
able to host 2 long 5.25" drives like DVD and CDROM
burner.  The only place I found that has 940K and 320K
8 bay mini tower case that allow more than one long
drives is http://www.compute-aid.com/atxcase.htm
You might also consider their 350W power supply, which
is a different class power supply.

In article <39566852$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  no-one@all (no one) wrote:
> Hey gang:
>
> I haven't bought or built a PC since the early Pentium days (been
spending
> my time playing with SUN and HP server equipment).  Anyway, I find
that
> it's about time for me to build a new development/test system to use
with
> NT and Linux.  To that end, I've tried to identify what I believe will
make
> a good system and choose parts that are compatible.
>
> I'm interested in thougts that other readers might have about my
chosen
> configuration, and whether my expected costs for the parts seem
reasonable:
>
> Tyan SMP P3 Tiger 133 S1834 motherboard                       160
> ATX 6 drive bay case with 250W power supply                    30
> PS2 keyboard with tactile response
30
> PS2 3 button mouse
10
> 2 each 256MB 72 bit PC/100 SDRAM                              600
> 2 each 600mhz P3 processors (slot 1 type SECC2)               440
> 2 each Maxtor EIDE 18GB fixed disk
220
> IDE cd-rom reader/burner
200
> Adaptec 2940UW SCSI card
175
> 2X AGP graphics card (S3 chipset with 8MB)
300
> 20 inch Vision Master 1600x1200 monitor                    1000
> 100mb PCI network card
30
>
=========
>
3195
>
> I'm wondering whether I can gather the needed parts within the price
range
> I've listed and I need to make sure that the parts I've listed are all
> compatible.  Is there anything important that I've forgotten to list?
>
> Is anyone running a similar configuration and can you give me any idea
> about performance or noted problems?
>
> I can be reached by posting a followup, or email me at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] where the digits and the word (german) are
> removed from the domain name.  The (O) is a letter, not a digit...
>
> Thanks
>
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: troubles with fdformat
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:24:24 -0500

"Shippy!" wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to format a floppy disk with fdformat /dev/fd0H1440
> and it seems to format and verify just fine, but when I try
> to mount it, I get the following error:
> 
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
>        or too many mounted file systems
> 
> I've tried 3 disks and all do the same thing. If I mount
> it as root using mutliple filesystem types (vfat, msdos,
> ext2, or minix), I get the same error. My fstab looks like this:
> 
> /dev/fd0        /floppy msdos   rw,user,unhide,noauto   0   0
> 
> Is there something I'm forgetting to do?


/sbin/mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0

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From: David Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:53:11 +0100

Tim Haynes wrote:
> If 'mail' does mail and 'www' does www, what config file had you in mind? ;)

I don't know, maybe a kernel patch or /usr/local/etc/sshd_config. Not the point
though. 

> But far more entertaining. In practice, the distribution of activities over
> machines is not always (rarely, IME) 1:1.

That's true, although sub-domaining with weird names has an advantage there

bert.mail.domain.com
ernie.mail.domain.com

although, mail1 and mail2 are a bit more obvieous.

> Actually, something I was thinking of earlier today: where has the concept
> of 'subdomain' actually *gone*? There's so much egotism in "who can have
> the shortest email address", [EMAIL PROTECTED], that all usefulness has gone out
> t'window. Surely a "website" (whatever one of those is) should be one of
>         <URL:http://support.foo.com/>,
>         <URL:http://www.support.foo.com/>,
> or even <URL:http://www.foo.com/support/>,
> for those for whom support stuff is compressible into one directory?

Well, I'd personally never use 'www.blah.foo.com', as its a bit long
'blah.foo.com' and 'www.foo.com' are okay. Incidently, if your going to have a
domain cookie (.foo.com), you have to use *.foo.com, so no 'foo.com', as
'foo.com' ain't part of the '.foo.com' sub-domain (obvieously).

I really hate subdomains for e-mail addresses though... [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks
foolish.

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From: "Alistair Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Slim cases for rack-mounted solution
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:02:13 +0100

David Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

> I really hate subdomains for e-mail addresses though... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
looks
> foolish.

Subdomains in mail addresses for the sake of themselves are foolish, but
there is a clear benefit to administrators to subdomain by geography --
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Alistair Mann




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