Linux-Hardware Digest #466, Volume #13 Wed, 23 Aug 00 04:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: bad sector ("crow")
Re: Improve Rotational Delay of HDD with Software Only (Dr Arm�)
Re: Printer In Mandrake (L.J. Harris)
Re: hunting down a SCSI RAID controller (Greg Leblanc)
Re: installing modem in linux (muralidharan)
Re: ultra66 ("Jake")
Help: where to find RS-232 driver? (Jacob Nikom)
Re: RH 6.2 Linux problem installing SB Live Value! (csb2000)
Re: Sound Woes ("Ronnie Jones")
specs of the Fujitsu ergo pro 171v monitor ("WIL")
athlon+dma ("Alan Needleman")
Re: PCI Config Problem (Fung)
2nd NIC failure ("Darren and Marla Welson")
Re: hunting down a SCSI RAID controller (Trent Piepho)
Re: 2nd NIC failure (User Name)
Re: athlon+dma (Bernhard Mogens Ege)
Re: 2nd NIC failure ("Darren and Marla Welson")
Re: zip module (Matthias Arndt)
Re: ultra66 (Kenneth R�rvik)
Problems with a Creative Labs CD5220 CD-ROM dirve (Luis Jimenez Benito)
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From: "crow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: bad sector
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:16:04 +0200
: >does anybody know how I can get around a bad sector?
: >(it's not necessary that I keep my current data)
:
: In a taxi. Oh, what's that? You mean your hard disk? :o)
:
: $ man badblocks
you should go to bed earlier :)
thanks
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From: Dr Arm� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Subject: Re: Improve Rotational Delay of HDD with Software Only
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:26:43 GMT
glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
>
> Thomas Tonino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >NAKAZATO Hajime wrote:
>
> >> I invented a software technique that improves rotational delay of HDD (only
> >> at reading).
> >> This technique makes HDD's rotational delay time half (only at reading). It
> >> needs no additional hardware. Load for CPU and memory is little.
>
> IBM designed a system called RPS, rotational position sensing, in the
> 1970's where the controller knew the rotational position of the disk
> and could use this to speed up I/O operations. This started on the 3330.
>
> -- glen
Yeah, but that was designed around a Count-Key-Data format.
da
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From: L.J. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Printer In Mandrake
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:22:52 GMT
www.picante.com is also helpful.
Lisa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try looking here : http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
>
> and add you rprinter to the dbase. (I don't see Raven listed as a
vendor)
>
> Buchan
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From: Greg Leblanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hunting down a SCSI RAID controller
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:57:17 GMT
In article <Vhzo5.179897$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Vik Heyndrickx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a PCI __RAID__ U2W-SCSI (160/m) host adapter, which is
> beyond any problem supported by a recent linux 2.2 kernel.
>
> If anyone could share his experiences about his SCSI RAID controller,
I'd
> greatly appreciate it. These hardware are quite expensive, and I
cannot risk
> buying something I might be unable to use with a decent operating
system.
>
> Last time I looked, all RAID solutions from Adaptec were unsupported
by
> linux, and from what I've been told, they never will, so it will have
to be
> a different brand I suppose...
>From my understanding, the Mylex ExtremeRAID cards offer the best
performance. They're based on the StrongARM chips from Intel, which
have advanced XOR support in hardware. They probably have an Ultra160
model out by now. My undertstaning is that the ExtremeRAID cards are
NOT supported by the DAC960 driver (since that driver works on i960
based cards, I think). It's possible that I'm mistaken on this, but you
could probably contact a sales rep at Mylex and get better information.
There is also a mailing list called linux-raid, hosted on
vger.kernel.org. Send a message body of subscribe linux-raid to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to subscribe. I don't think there is any
"info" on linux-raid just yet, but I'm working on it. Later,
Greg
P.S. I maintain the Linux-RAID mailing list FAQ, but it does not have
much info on hardware raid.
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From: muralidharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installing modem in linux
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:29:27 GMT
Thanks a lot for your response.
i learnt that my modem is indeed a soft modem/win modem.
so i am stuck with windows
thanks
-murali
Glitch wrote:
>
> A real modem never requires a driver contrary to what Windows makes you
> think.
> Anyway, check out http://o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html to see if yours
> is a winmodem. If it's not then it will work in Linux.
>
> muralidharan wrote:
> >
> > i have an internal modem PCI 56k motorola fax/voice/data modem.
> > does it require a driver to be installed in linux.
> > if so where can get a driver from.
> >
> > it is running ok on win 95.
> >
> > --
> > Posted via CNET Help.com
> > http://www.help.com/
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From: "Jake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ultra66
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:39:42 GMT
You'll also need the IDE patch for 2.2.16 in order to
bask in the full sunlight of UDMA glory.
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/ide.2.2.16.all.20000805
.patch.gz
Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:17:20 -0400, jazz wrote:
> >I am running Redhat6.1. I have two harddrives on Ultra66. I managed to
> >install the harddrives and format the drives. However, the capacity of
> >drives are far less than what supposed to be. A 40 gb drive provides
> >only 6 gb capacity. Any suggestion and comments are appriciated.
>
> The kernel that RH 6.1 shipped with (2.2.12-something) could not handle
> IDE drives over 32G thanks to a bug in the code. Upgrade your kernel!
> ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/linux-2.2.16.tar.gz
>
> --
> Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to
see
> Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Those who do not understand Unix are
> http://www.brainbench.com / condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> -----------------------------/ --Henry Spencer
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From: Jacob Nikom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help: where to find RS-232 driver?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:10:53 -0400
Hello,
Do you know where to find RS-232 driver for Linux,
or may be you know better place where to ask this question?
Thank you,
Jacob Nikom
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From: csb2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 Linux problem installing SB Live Value!
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:29:31 GMT
Hey man thanks a lot, I'm going to check that in a while, will keep you
informed
Colin
csb2000 wrote:
>
> I've been trying to get my Sound Blaster Live Value! to work, But I keep
> getting errors about the device or resource busy. It's happening during
> startup, upon detection when you try to play the sound sample. At I
think
> somethimes at shutdown....
>
> I already downloaded and installed the latest drivers for the card got
the
> same problem, even tried the suggestion in the contained in the readme
> file....
>
> Can anyone help me this problem....... THANKS.....
>
> Colin
>
> --
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> http://www.help.com/
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From: "Ronnie Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound Woes
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:46:55 -0700
Thanks for the input, I have tried that though and I think that even though
my module is loading, that it is not configuring my card. Still looking
Dave Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ronnie wrote:
>
> > Has anyone made an Maudio Delta44 work under Linux using the Alsa
drivers.
> > Upon installing the card, kudzu found it, and the sound module
> > ice1712 was loaded (which is the correct driver according to the alsa
page).
> > When booting i can hear a faint click in the speakers as the drivers
load.
> > All the directories are there for the alsa stuff including the stuff in
> > /proc/asound but I can not get any of the devices to respond. I am
running
> > linux mandrake7.1. I have tried the alsa howto and such. Tried
sndconfig
> > but it sees the card and says that there is no support yet for envy24.
I
> > know it is something really stupid I am missing. Any help would be
> > appreciated.
>
> Sorry, I don't own that card, but if you're using the ALSA drivers try
> running the alsamixer and amixer apps. Did you install the ALSA package
> yourself ? What version is it ?
>
> ALSA mutes all mixer channels by default, you can open them with
> alsamixer, amixer, or alsamixergui.
>
> Best regards,
>
> == Dave Phillips
>
> http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/index.html
> http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linuxsound/
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From: "WIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: specs of the Fujitsu ergo pro 171v monitor
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:21:17 +0200
can sombody help me with de specification for
the fujitsu ergo pro monitor
model : ero pro 171 v
type : A1017A
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From: "Alan Needleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: athlon+dma
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 05:18:12 GMT
I have an AMD Athlon system with the original AMD chipset. I have 2 UDMA33
drives (an IBM and a Maxtor) but they are running in mode PIO4. The kernel
is 2.2.16.
1. Is UDMA33 supported for this chipset?
2. Will setting the drives with hdparm -d1 -X34 improve their performance?
3. Is there a serious risk of scrambling the drives by trying?
4. Has anyone successfully done this with similar hardware?
Thanks.
Alan
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From: Fung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PCI Config Problem
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:52:07 +0800
Edward Lee wrote:
> Fung wrote:
>
> > This is the part of config file of my linux in PCI :
> >
> > Bus 0,device 11,function 0:
> > Communication controller : Unknown vendor Unknown device (rev 8).
> > Vendor id=14f1. Device id=1035.
> >
>
> That is a CONEXANT PCI Modem (faked) Enumerator. Sorry, no driver
> available.
>
> > Any idea it is the internal PCI modem or not ?
> > if it is the modem , how to setup it ?
> > Please Help !?!?!?!?!?!?
How can you know that ?
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From: "Darren and Marla Welson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: 2nd NIC failure
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 05:56:09 GMT
I have added a second NIC to my PC, but I cannot get RH 6.1 Linux to start
it. I can manually start the device by adding the module and the 'ifup' the
device, but I want it to be loaded every time I boot up. I have even added
a line to my lilo.conf and 'append' for both eths, but still this second NIC
fails. I have checked /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports and have not
conflicts that I am aware of. What am I doing wrong?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trent Piepho)
Subject: Re: hunting down a SCSI RAID controller
Date: 22 Aug 2000 22:36:49 -0700
In article <8nvei3$5c9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Greg Leblanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <Vhzo5.179897$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>From my understanding, the Mylex ExtremeRAID cards offer the best
>performance. They're based on the StrongARM chips from Intel, which
>have advanced XOR support in hardware. They probably have an Ultra160
>model out by now. My undertstaning is that the ExtremeRAID cards are
>NOT supported by the DAC960 driver (since that driver works on i960
>based cards, I think). It's possible that I'm mistaken on this, but you
>could probably contact a sales rep at Mylex and get better information.
Yes, they are supported. Mylex doesn't seem to mention it very well
on their web site, but check out the DAC960 page at
http://www.dandelion.com/Linux/DAC960.html. From that page:
I am pleased to announce that the seventh production release
of the Linux DAC960 driver is now available as version 2.2.8
for Linux 2.2.16 and version 2.4.8 for Linux 2.4.0. This
version of the driver includes support for all the current
Mylex PCI RAID controllers, including the eXtremeRAID 2000,
eXtremeRAID 3000, AcceleRAID 352, and AcceleRAID 170, which
have an entirely new firmware interface, as well as the older
eXtremeRAID 1100 (DAC1164P), the AcceleRAID 150/200/250, and
the DAC960PJ/PG/PU/PD/PL models.
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From: User Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: 2nd NIC failure
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:06:40 GMT
In article <ZHJo5.104195$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Darren
and Marla Welson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have added a second NIC to my PC, but I cannot get RH 6.1 Linux to
> start
> it. I can manually start the device by adding the module and the 'ifup'
> the
> device, but I want it to be loaded every time I boot up. I have even
> added
> a line to my lilo.conf and 'append' for both eths, but still this second
> NIC
> fails. I have checked /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports and have not
> conflicts that I am aware of. What am I doing wrong?
Does it give an error (e.g. FAILED) at boot, or does it not even try to
bring up the card?
Did you add an entry for the second card in linuxconf? If not, type
linuxconf at the command prompt and go to Basic Host Information to add
an entry for the second card. Be sure that the X next to the "Enabled"
field is present. If it's not, tab to that field and hit the spacebar to
enable it.
By the way I notice you posted to 8 groups. I'm replying to all of them
because I want to make sure you see this and I have no idea which (if
any) you'll be reading. But for future reference, it's generally a bad
idea to post to so many groups at once. If you can't solve your problem
post back to comp.os.linux.networking only and give some more info :)
Good luck,
Shaun
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Subject: Re: athlon+dma
From: Bernhard Mogens Ege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:46:21 GMT
>>>>> "Alan" == Alan Needleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have an AMD Athlon system with the original AMD chipset. I have 2 UDMA33
> drives (an IBM and a Maxtor) but they are running in mode PIO4. The kernel
> is 2.2.16.
> 1. Is UDMA33 supported for this chipset?
> 2. Will setting the drives with hdparm -d1 -X34 improve their performance?
> 3. Is there a serious risk of scrambling the drives by trying?
> 4. Has anyone successfully done this with similar hardware?
> Thanks.
> Alan
Having the MSI6167 (AMD chipset a year old), I did some testing. The
standard kernel does *not* support IDE DMA transfers. You can however
patch you kernel to enable that support. I did and I believe it worked
stable enough. The -X34 option I dont know what does.
Find the patch here:
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/
Apply it on a non-modified kernel and recompile (be sure to enable AMD
7409 support in the config). The driver says on bootup if it is loaded
and how you enable UDMA66 support.
You can enable DMA (-d1) with that patch, but I recommend against
it. I did it for some time and my HD made the occasional KLONK sound
(as if the head banged against the case). Very unhealthy sound.
Never heard that sound with the patch applied.
regards,
Bernhard Ege
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From: "Darren and Marla Welson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: 2nd NIC failure
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:52:19 GMT
Yeah, it says "FAILED". I do have it set in LINUXCONF the same as the first
NIC, and I also have a line added in the LILO.CONF too.
"User Name" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:QRJo5.2284$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <ZHJo5.104195$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Darren
> and Marla Welson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I have added a second NIC to my PC, but I cannot get RH 6.1 Linux to
> > start
> > it. I can manually start the device by adding the module and the 'ifup'
> > the
> > device, but I want it to be loaded every time I boot up. I have even
> > added
> > a line to my lilo.conf and 'append' for both eths, but still this second
> > NIC
> > fails. I have checked /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports and have not
> > conflicts that I am aware of. What am I doing wrong?
>
> Does it give an error (e.g. FAILED) at boot, or does it not even try to
> bring up the card?
>
> Did you add an entry for the second card in linuxconf? If not, type
> linuxconf at the command prompt and go to Basic Host Information to add
> an entry for the second card. Be sure that the X next to the "Enabled"
> field is present. If it's not, tab to that field and hit the spacebar to
> enable it.
>
> By the way I notice you posted to 8 groups. I'm replying to all of them
> because I want to make sure you see this and I have no idea which (if
> any) you'll be reading. But for future reference, it's generally a bad
> idea to post to so many groups at once. If you can't solve your problem
> post back to comp.os.linux.networking only and give some more info :)
>
> Good luck,
>
> Shaun
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From: Matthias Arndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: zip module
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:01:18 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eugene Y Lee wrote:
> I have my zip drive installed using a line in the conf.modules with
> ide-scsi.o When I first start up my box, I can mount and unmount my zip
> drive with no problems. I can write to it no problem. However at some
> point later in time, I am unable to mount the zip drive. I get errors
> telling me that the zip drive is not a valid block device. It seems
> that for some reason, the module is not being loaded up automatically.
>
> Once I manually load the module I can mount the zip drive again.
>
> Any thoughts?
Yes, add the insmod (or better modprobe) command to your boot.local file.
In a SuSe Linux Distribution, it is located unter /sbin/init.d/
You may try looking under /etc/rc.d/ as well.
A question: do you use an ATAPI Zip Drive?
If yes, you could easily use it without configuring it into a scsi device
(this does the ide-scsi.o module).
Look at your /var/log/boot.msg file. There should be a line about the
/dev/hd? devices. (The IDE devicec on your system) Try looking for ZIP or
something similar. (I use a parallel port ZIP drive and I can only guess
for that) A DOS formatted ZIp floppy uses the 4. partition.
If your drive is under /dev/hdd , you could do a
mount /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zipdrive -t vfat
to mount a DOS formatted zip disc.
Matthias
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Subject: Re: ultra66
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth R�rvik)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:19:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (jazz) wrote in <minorseventhNOSPAMSIR-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I am running Redhat6.1. I have two harddrives on Ultra66.
>I managed to install the harddrives and format the drives.
>However, the capacity of drives are far less than what supposed
>to be. A 40 gb drive provides only 6 gb capacity. Any suggestion
>and comments are appriciated.
As suggested, you may want to get the latest kernel and compile it yourself
to get full UDMA4 support.
Other than that, an "fdisk -l /dev/hda" output would be useful :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luis Jimenez Benito)
Subject: Problems with a Creative Labs CD5220 CD-ROM dirve
Date: 23 Aug 2000 09:25:55 +0200
Hello.
I'm having many problems with a Creatibe Labs CD5220 CD-ROM drive.
The system seems to boot fine:
> dmesg
.
.
VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd000-0xd007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd008-0xd00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hda: Maxtor 92041U4, ATA DISK drive
hdc: CREATIVE CD5220, ATAPI CDROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: Maxtor 92041U4, 19541MB w/512kB Cache, CHS=2491/255/63
hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM drive, 120kB Cache
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.09
.
.
but when I try to copy large amounts of data from the CD to the hard disk,
the process hangs (not the system). It's impossible to kill the cp process
with kill or fuser. In the terminal doesn't appear any error message, but
> cat /var/log/messages
.
.
: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
: command error: error=0x56
: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 786540
: ATAPI device hdc:
: Unknown Error Type: No sense data -- (Sense key=0x00)
: No additional sense information -- (asc=0x00, ascq=0x00)
: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
: hdc: command error: error=0x56
: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 786544
: ATAPI device hdc:
: Unknown Error Type: No sense data -- (Sense key=0x00)
: No additional sense information -- (asc=0x00, ascq=0x00)
: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA
: hdc: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
: hdc: DMA disabled
: hdc: ATAPI reset timed-out, status=0x80
: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80
: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
: hdc: drive not ready for command
: hdc: ATAPI reset timed-out, status=0x80
: ide1: reset timed-out, status=0x80
: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 786988
: hdc: drive not ready for command
: hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
: hdc: drive not ready for command
: hdc: ATAPI reset timed-out, status=0x80
.
.
I also have other strange problems. For example, when I use sum to
count the blocks of a file in a CD, sometimes I get wrong results.
I have proved the CD-ROM drive with slackware 7.0 and RedHat 6.1, and with
kernels 2.2.12,13,16 and 2.4.0-test6, and it's always the same, but in
windows 98 my drive works fine. Could my drive be broken in spite of
working fine in windows? Could it be a problem of the motherboard? I have
a Tyan S1854 Trinity 400, with a Via Apollo chipset.
I hope someone could help me.
Greetings and sorry for my English.
==================================================================
Luis Jimenez Benito
Universidad Autonoma de Madrid
Departament of Theoretical Physics
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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