On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002, Orna Agmon wrote about "Re: Women and Linux": > > Another imporant aspect is the pass making. Taking the woman who is > > interested in Linux first as a woman, and only later as a linux person. > > Why would you want to be treated as a "linux person" before of "a woman"? > This completely contradicts the "IGLU meetings should be more friendly" > idea. "Friendly" means taking you as a person (man or woman) first and > as a walking-talking-Linux-manual only second. this is the issue - as a person. not as a walking target. > > The first time I went to Haifux, > > the only person who talked to me was trying to hit on me. The > > Doesn't that happen to you in other places where men and women meet?? > Will you stop going to the supermarket because loudmouth macho-types > try to hit on you by the vegetable stands? and the fact that it happens in other places is your ustification for accepting this here? whats more, you'd expect more from a civilized group of people. > If not coming from an obnoxious person, then you should take the advance > in the friendly manner it was offered, and decline. If the advance was > obnoxious, rude or harassing, then feel free reprimand the guy sternly. wait until you become a woman (in some future life) and get hit on too often, and then see if you manage to 'accept it with grace'. the fact is that you, as a male, are quite safe from these kinds of harrasements, and can attend a meeting with strange people without being afraid that someone will address you in a way that'll require you to 'refute'. the reason why you migth think differently, is that being a male, you get too few women hit on you (i'm talking statistically here, ofcourse). > I don't think that being afraid of being hit on (to the point that another > girl mentioned her BOYFRIEND in capital letters in a previous post) should > be part of you girls' "Linux experience". Being hit on happens everywhere, > and it is not always unwelcome; You, of all people, shouldn't outlaw it > altogether, seeing where you met your own boyfriend :) i'd say this is a blow below the waist. obviusly, once you know people for a while, you get to know some of them and get new friends. but this is a process that takes time, not a 'hit and run' thing like what was mentioned earlier. > And you know what, you girls can feel free to "hit on" us guys (and me in > particular :)) once in a while, whether it is in a Linux meetings or any other > mixed-gender crowd. see, this is where your "hitting on a person is never a bad thing" perception comes from. > The point is that there are rude and disgusting people in both genders, and > if you let that bother you too much to the point that you stop doing > activities you like, you'll miss many opportunities. Obviously this lesson > isn't specific to Linux. and obviously, if people are more aware of how annoying this situatin is, less people will do those things, making our lives better. will you sign the 'no hitting on first sight in LUG meetings' manifest? -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
