On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:43:50PM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote:
> The whole attitude of "We don't need to stinking GUI" is fine, as long as you 
> keep it to yourself. if your objective is to make Linux the best operating 
> system for your own special needs, then everything is fine - you probably 
> don't use X at all.

One small note:

My issues with the bloated desktops are that they are too complecated:
you can't easily configure them with a "configuration editor" (text
editor, or even something like regedit or gconf-editor). And their
configurations will occasionally break. 

I rather use something simple that gives me most of what I need, but in
a way I can understand.

That's me, at least.

> But maybe, just maybe, the point of the whole exercise is to make Linux the 
> best OS for everyone - and that means nice looking, _responsive_, stable 
> GUIs.
> 

_stable_ :-)


> Now, after deviating from the main issue for a while - here's my real point: I 
> don't care much for eye-candy in X. its nice to have, but less important then 
> getting a fast and stable graphical environment. X is blocking the way as its 
> so damn slow. its a CPU and Memory hog, and its design is so bad it makes it 
> very hard to extend its feature set to compete with other graphical 
> environments.

Please support with evidence. I'll later try that on my P133/32MB. Can
you get XP to even consider running on it? 

> Example: only this year the ability to change resolution w/o restart was 
> included into X - this feature has been available on the major competitor's 
> OS for about 7 years now, and still this feature is not visible to most users 
> as there are no stable user end tools that take advantage of it. same with 
> font anti-aliasing - very useful eye-candy, and people are still having 
> problems with it.

Antialiasing is yet another example of extentions to the X protocol. Two
years ago none of my programs supported it. Now almost all do. Aparently 
it didn't take so long. And it wasn't so visible to applications: even 
for gtk programs gtk-xft immdiatly surfaced (with an added twist of 
being an LD_PRELOAD-ded library, so you didn't even have to rebuild 
anything)

When will OSX aquire the ability to display windows from a different
computer? (not a whole desktop)? X-Windows has had that for almost 20 
years. Don't we live in a networked environment? What about XP?


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