Linux-Misc Digest #350, Volume #18 Fri, 25 Dec 98 21:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Reasons for me to toss Linux (Michael Powe)
Linux port to the AS400 machine? (Daniel D. Roscigno)
Re: Reasons for me to toss Linux (Todd Knarr)
Re: gpm - cut and paste fails (Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz)
Re: virus alert! (Walter Strong)
Re: WP8 & Redhat 5.2? - YES! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From a Linux dummy ("Sergei Gerasenko")
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Just a minor
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Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Destrius)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Destrius)
Re: Unix vs Windows NT (Destrius)
Re: engineering practices in Linux/OSS (Michiel Ettema)
Re: Unresolved Symbols in modules ("TURBO1010")
Re: From a linux dummy (Troy Will)
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reasons for me to toss Linux
Date: 24 Dec 1998 18:29:25 -0800
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>>>>> "steve" == steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
steve> On 23 Dec 1998 13:29:22 -0800, Michael Powe
steve> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
steve> ...snippage around all quoted chunks
>> You have seven virtual consoles to start with! Use 'em -- I
>> do.
steve> COOL! What do I search the doc for in order to find out
steve> about this? I never found a "Linux features" manual and
steve> this is the first I knew about having 7 virtual consoles
steve> (which I assume are line-mode just like the initial one
steve> when you log in?) It won't stop me from using X but maybe
steve> there's a way I can run X in one place and have real
steve> consoles in 6 others instead of using an xterm (which
steve> displays the data in poor color combinations or has other
steve> minor problems like keyboard handling depending on whether
steve> you're running kwm fvwm or whatever).
Well, it's probably in the docs for RH, fairly early on. But, my
recollection is that they don't actually <tell you> what a "virtual
console" is -- they just tell you in passing that they're
available. I'm recalling that from the RH 4.2 manual, it's been a long
time since I read it. At any rate, it's ALT-F<n> where <n> is 1-7.
You always start at vt1, ALT-F2, -F3, &c gets you to the others. From
X you have to do CTRL-ALT-F<n> to get to other terminals.
By default, X starts on the first empty console, usually #7. So, it's
CTRL-ALT-F2 to get from X to the second vt and ALT-F7 to get back to
the X session. You can force X to another console with `startx --
vt<n>' where <n> is the terminal number.
Xterms are very annoying at times. It irks me to have backspace
and delete do the same thing (destructive BS) instead of the
individual actions they do normally in a console.
I've just come across something called a `font server' and I'm trying
to figure out exactly what <that> is & whether or no I could use it to
improve this display.
>> Plus, it might be useful to create `alternative' users who can
>> be set up to do specify tasks; then you log into that account
>> when you want to do those tasks; sort of like logging in as
>> `root' to do sysadmin.
steve> Even not knowing about the virtual consoles you listed
steve> above, I'd have done this if I knew how to switch from one
steve> to another. I only have one physical keyboard/monitor pair
steve> to work with here, so there must be some control-key that
steve> does it. Is there a list of console-mode control keys
steve> anywhere?
There's an alternative that is still used by some hardened hackers --
the `screen' program. It allows you to create multiple virtual
screens within a single login and switch between them -- something
like a unix version of DesqView. I tried it but it didn't behave well
with some progs that did color screen writes (like lynx), so I ditched
it. This probably could have been fixed but I was not that interested
in doing the work.
>> Plus ... X fonts are really scrappy. After a while, my eyes
>> start to hurt!
steve> Console does seem easier to read, and I just bought the
steve> "Learning GNU Emacs" book from O'Reilly with the intention
steve> of learning emacs unless code_commander (which I've
steve> installed but not played with from a development point of
steve> view yet) is really good; maybe anyway, just so I'll know
steve> something "standard" that isn't quite as crude as vi.
Emacs rules for me. Fire up once, do everything with it -- hell, it's
like my damned shell! ;-) The O'Reilly book is good -- so is the
printed manual.
>> The Unix Philosophy:
>>
>> 1. Start small, get something working and then build on it.
>> 2. One tool for one job. 3. The output from one tool is the
>> input for another.
>>
>> It seems like what you're really saying is that you don't like
>> rule #2. But then, why would I want to have to search around
>> among two or three tools for the same task, in order to find
>> one that supported some arcane c/l switch? Why would that be
>> better than just having all the switches condensed into one
>> program?
steve> works however it is that it works. Or maybe it's the
steve> concept of using a couple dozen different letters for
steve> various characteristics of the same thing, instead of
steve> starting with a common prefix character for a certain kind
steve> of function. This is much better from a usability point of
steve> view, because (a) if the options are listed in alphabetic
steve> order as they usually seem to be in Linux, then all the
steve> related options will be listed together, and (b) it's
steve> easier to remember that way. I'd offer an example from
steve> "ls" but I'm in the middle of a RH 5.2 install at the
steve> moment.
Yes, the dreaded `manpages' -- they're like taking a step back in
history. The info files are sometimes better; OTOH, some of them are
more like trainwrecks.
steve> Ok, from the hardcopy doc; here's an example. The "ls"
steve> command, options exist for (a) how to select files, (b) how
steve> to format files, and (c) how to order/sort files. There
steve> may be other categorizations. But if the 37 separate
steve> options available for the ls command were named differently
steve> it would mean that (1) the options would group together
steve> <though nobody would update the doc>, and (2) the commands
steve> would be easier to remember <except everybody would have to
steve> relearn them and it only helps newbies who oughta take
steve> their lumps just like "we" did>.
Well, the GNU project is always open for contributions. ;-)
Seriously, they manage a <lot> of software and are eternally in need.
I just noticed that a new version of the file utilities is available
- - -- heh-heh, I wonder if they did anything with the manpages.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
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Portland, Oregon USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel D. Roscigno)
Subject: Linux port to the AS400 machine?
Date: 25 Dec 1998 03:06:35 GMT
I have heard that there is a Linux port to the AS400. Am
I mistaken? I cannot seem to find any info regarding this.
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan
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Dan Roscigno [EMAIL PROTECTED] (352)392-4028
Physics Dept. University of Florida 2122 New Physics Building
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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reasons for me to toss Linux
Date: 25 Dec 1998 06:23:19 GMT
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it's probably in the docs for RH, fairly early on. But, my
> recollection is that they don't actually <tell you> what a "virtual
> console" is -- they just tell you in passing that they're
> available. I'm recalling that from the RH 4.2 manual, it's been a long
Section 3.1.2 of the RH5.1 installation guide. Includes instructions on
the keys to switch between them, but no explicit mention of how many
are set up once the system is running.
> I've just come across something called a `font server' and I'm trying
> to figure out exactly what <that> is & whether or no I could use it to
> improve this display.
It'll improve it slightly. The font server is basically a program that
reads fonts, rasterizes them and hands them to the X server on request.
It's got slightly better rasterizing code than the X server itself, so
Type 1 fonts come out a bit better. The usual route is to put all the
font directories in the /etc/X11/fs/config file's catalog entry, then
replace the FontPath entries in XF86Config with unix/:7100 ( or
tcp/localhost:7100 or something similar for remote machines ) and let
the X server get it's fonts from the font server rather than reading
them from disk. Problem: if the font server is down the X server will
lock up.
Two advantages of the font server:
1. You can run one copy of the font server on one machine and serve
fonts to multiple machines. This eliminates the need to keep
installing fonts on many machines.
2. You can chain font servers ( eg. tcp/anothermachine:7100 is a
perfectly legitimate entry in the font server's list of paths
to find fonts at ), or use alternate font servers ( eg. xfsft
that can read TrueType fonts in addition to other types ).
--
We won, didn't we? Cope!
-- Mimi, Reality Check #8
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz)
Subject: Re: gpm - cut and paste fails
Date: 22 Dec 1998 18:32:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:15:14 -0800, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When this happens to me, it is because I hit the right mouse button before
>hitting the left (left/right-middle emulation). Easy to do if you are not
>careful to make sure you get "button three" effects instead of "button two".
>Probability a case of "click" response too short.
I guess I figured out what's wrong. The symptoms got worse when I had
changed the model of my mouse : from A4Tech 3-button switched to position
"2" to Genius 3-button also switched to position "2".
For the time being I start the gpm daemon with the "-2" switch and
it helps ( I think ).
kpj.
>>I would like to ask you whether any of you have
>>ever experienced this before. From time to time
>>highlighting and pasting text on the console fails.
>>It doesn't paste instead highlights a larger area.
>>It is rather annoying. Any ideas ? Hints ?
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Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz, M.D | Czestochowa, Poland ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] @box43.gnet.pl | Linux 2.0.36 Red Hat 5.2 KDE 1.0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Strong)
Subject: Re: virus alert!
Date: 22 Dec 1998 21:02:00 GMT
zentara ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:03:34 +0000, Stuart Brady
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Seriously, are there any viruses for Linux? I imagine that it's going to
: >be *slightly* harder to write one for Linux, than for Windows... :)
: Seriously..... I think it is only a matter of time before "tweaked
: rpm's" start floating around the download sites.
: How many newbies, and experienced users blindly install
: rpm binary packages as root, without checking md5sums,
: pgp signatures, or having something like tripwire installed?
: Don't laugh too loudly at Microsoft's problems, we are
: walking on thin ice.
What's 'tripwire'?
thanks.
walter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WP8 & Redhat 5.2? - YES!
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:14:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello
>
> Is there a glibc or static linked version of Wordperfect 8 available?
> The version at ftp.download.com seems to be linked with old libc5.
> Does it run with Redhat 5.2?
I've downloaded the one-file distribution and it installed just fine.
And it works without any problem, too.
I have libc-5.3.12-27 and glibc-2.0.7-29.
Martin.
Delphi FAQ: http://www.openinfo.se/martin
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From: "Sergei Gerasenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: From a Linux dummy
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:46:53 -0500
I have a stupid question. I just installed Linux with the 2.0 kernel and it
didn't have PPP support. So, according to a Linux book I decided to
recompile the kernel. The first obstruction I encountered was that I
couldn't find the compiling program, that is "make". Where the heck can I
get it? It seems like there are source files for "make" but one needs
another copy of "make" to compile those source files. Is there a
ready-to-use copy of "make" somewhere on the net? Are they kernel-version
sensitive?
Thanx
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:41:45 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Jerry Lynn Kreps writes:
> > I did the work on a Welch Foundation Scholarship and part of it was that
> > the results would be in the public domain, which it is. Later, however,
> > a promenient pharmicutical company "improved it" and then patented it and
> > began selling it.
>
> They did not patent your work. They patented their improvement on your
> work.
You're assuming that they made a valid improvement. They did not. They
merely substituted one group for another. The efficacy remaind
unchanged.
Even if they had "improved" the effectiveness of the compound they were,
like I was, standing on the shoulders of those who had gone before. But
unlike the previous researchers these guys to their endzone dance as if
they were the only ones on the field of play and were total responsible
for the "touchdown", and desearved all the praise (or financial
rewards). Baloney. If fact, in my instance, the jerks couldn't even
make the compound in any significant yield until I published how to do
it. Forget making "improvements."
It's the same circumstance for that group that is trying to lay claim to
all the sound and graphics and other remote control features possible
through html coding and internet structure. These things wouldn't have
been possible without a LARGE infusion of taxpayers money. Where to
these jerks get off doing their "endzone" dance and then demanding that
everyone who came to the game, many of them before these jerks arrived,
has to pay them money to continue watching. Baloney again.
And don't give me that complaint that such and attitude toward spinoffs
of publicly funded research would dry up research. Baloney again. It
was the taxpayers bucks that paid for it to begin with. Many of these
"improvements" were learned by researchers but squirreled away while
they were being paid out of public funds. Not honest enough to give
true value for what they were paid for they are seduced by dreams of
wealth, luxury and early retirement at other peoples expense by their
thefts. That's like hiring a guy to harvest your wheat, only to have
him funnel the largest portion off to the side where he can sell your
own grain back to you later at an inflated price.
>
> > Software companies that take GPL code and incorporate it into
> > "propriatary" software are nothing less than thieves.
>
> No, they are copyright infringers.
>
Semantics. Taking money for someone elses work is stealing from them,
or denying them their right to allow others to benefit without monetary
loss.
> > All such developed code is by law, which they agreed to honor when they
> > used the GPL code, public domain and free.
>
> GPL code is *not* public domain. If it was, those companies would be free
> to incorporate it into their proprietary work.
Right. I mis-typed. It is free to use provided the source of
derivative works are made available to others along with the orginal
source.
> > He lost his rights to his own code and they now own it.
>
> Wrong.
Think not? Just acquire their "prorpriatary" code and use it in your
own software and see if they leave you alone.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Subject: Re: Just a minor
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Date: 25 Dec 1998 14:11:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...and it was written on the heavens that on 23 Dec 1998 15:27:02 GMT,
the entity named William Burrow ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:
-clip-
>If you have been keeping minimal logs, you can get awk or perl to analyze
>them for you rather quickly. I used to do that with a bit of an elaborate
>awk script -- there might be others out there somewhere.
-clip-
I wrote something like that in bash, mainly grepping ppp.log. Was extremely
slow, so I added a "echo Start: `date` > /var/log/net-usage" into ip.up and
ip.down. Improved speed quite a lot.
I really should try to learn perl or awk someday. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 25 Dec 1998 14:11:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...and it was written on the heavens that on Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:38:29 +0000,
the entity named John Allen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:
-clip-
>In over three years of post registry Windows usage I have only seen
>a corrupt registry ONCE, and this was caused by a screwy hard disk
>which not long afterwards exited stage left.
-clip-
My entire registry (user.dat and system.dat) suddenly disappeared from the
face of my Windows partition after I deleted a single non-related file in
some directory. This was one month after I re-installed Windows95 fresh.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 25 Dec 1998 14:11:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...and it was written on the heavens that on Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:18:52 GMT,
the entity named Brett W. McCoy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:
-clip-
>In my office, where we are running both Win95 & 98, we have at least one
>registry corruption every week. One machine in particular seems to be
>having problems. The scariest message I got the other day was "Unable to
>load explorer.exe. You will need to reinstall the operating system."
-clip-
It's also quite interesting to note that you can easily screw up a clueless
user by changing the "shell=" setting in SYSTEM.INI to something like the
screensaver. Which also shows that Win95 uses both the registry and INI
files, thus making a very big mess of the whole thing in general. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Unix vs Windows NT
Date: 25 Dec 1998 14:11:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...and it was written on the heavens that on Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:15:48 +1000,
the entity named Stephen So ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:
>The mentioning of games, games and more games in reply to a Unix vs NT message
>really highlights the fact the NT or 95/98 are only good for games and not
>much else. But for the truly serious stuff, NT just has too many holes in
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I'd just like to add here that at the moment, games can be considered to be
the more complicated and system-demanding programs of the pack, and coding
them can be quite a serious business. :)
Anyway, although there are more games for Windows, there isn't any reason
besides supposed lack of market to ship games for Linux. In fact, once some
of the game programming APIs that are being developed come out with a
stable and functional release, I'll have no doubt that a game on Linux will
thrash the socks out of any Win95 entertainment package.
At the moment, tho, I really wish there were more RPGs for Linux... :)
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From: Michiel Ettema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: engineering practices in Linux/OSS
Date: 25 Dec 1998 12:36:49 +0100
In comp.os.linux.development.system big security nightmare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Philip Brown wrote in message ...
> How can you improve something like a word processor with changing the file
> format. According to your logic we should all still be using a.out format.
So you say HTML has changed a lot recently and you can't read old webpages
with new browsers ? You can add to a format without breaking the old version.
Even now I can run a.out binaries although my system is almost running pure
ELF.
> Aren't most linux junkies caught up in a perpetual upgrade cycle, where they
> never actually get to use their computers to do anything, because a new
> patch or upgrade becomes available every few hours.
> What do you think??
I think people who upgrade every day enjoy to upgrade. The few machines
I administer just run. They are only 'upgraded' every few months, unless
there is some bug in a package that could hinder their operation, that
is known to be fixed. And with the distribution I use, Debian, upgrading
packages is a matter of minutes.
--
People waste time making stuff pretty instead of usefull.
-Quoted from Kevin Huber
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From: "TURBO1010" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Unresolved Symbols in modules
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:56:56 -0800
Usually if you leave old modules there, you will get unresolved symbols.
rm -r /lib/2.x.XX that should remove all the old modules, then compile,
and install the new ones.
Person wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Matthew Monacelli wrote:
>
>> I used to have Red Hat 5.1 installed and came accross a problem
>> compiling the development kernel 2.1.128 . I did the "make modules" and
>> "make modules_install" and even a "depmod -a". The only problem is that
>> for some reason, there are unresolved symbols. I don't know where to
>> look to fix this, but I am now running Caldera 1.3 with the 2.1.128
>> kernel. I still am gettin the unresolved symbols error after running
>> depmod -a, also, when I try to run insmod, it says that it can't
>> determine the kernel version. This is new from my Red Hat install. (I
>> am happy w/ COL 1.3 since my network card is found after a kernel
>> rebuild!). Any help will greatly be appreciated. I will be checking
>> the newsgroup, but it would be helpful if you Cc'd me a copy of your
>> response, thank you.
>
>Submit a bug report. I don't know what's wrong. You are testing the
>Kernel for them.
>
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From: Troy Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: From a linux dummy
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:12:59 -0600
Sergei,
If you istalled Red Hat from a CD then the Kernel DOES have PPP support.
You may have gotten the message "this kernel does not have PPP support"
if you try to run ppp as a non-root user. You might want to check this by
trying
to run ppp as root.
--Troy
Sergei Gerasenko wrote:
> I have a stupid question. I just installed Linux with the 2.0 kernel and it
> didn't have PPP support. So, according to a Linux book I decided to
> recompile the kernel. The first obstruction I encountered was that I
> couldn't find the compiling program, that is "make". Where the heck can I
> get it? It seems like there are source files for "make" but one needs
> another copy of "make" to compile those source files. Is there a
> ready-to-use copy of "make" somewhere on the net? Are they kernel-version
> sensitive? I have a RedHat distribution.
> Thanx
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http://northfieldmall.com
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