Linux-Misc Digest #376, Volume #18 Sun, 27 Dec 98 23:13:07 EST
Contents:
Problem With Shutdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: only L in LILO BOOT :) (Samson Chang)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: GUI Perl Debugger (brian moore)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B Problem (rks)
Re: Fetchmail broken after switch to Qmail (Michael Fleming)
Re: Fetchmail broken after switch to Qmail (Hoeteck Wee)
Staroffice 4.0 Vs. 5.0 (mvrao)
Black and White Netscape (Tom Hennen)
Re: ATT Worldnet Connectivity (Floyd Davidson)
DSP reset failed? (Don Buckenmeyer)
LILO boot problem in Redhat 5.2 (John Robson)
Re: Project management software (Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah)
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Rod Smith)
Slackware screen clear on logout (Barry Grussling)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (Ed Young)
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Problem With Shutdown
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 02:50:40 GMT
I ran a command the other night to shutdown my linux box (shutdown -h 120)
after I went to sleep. That appeared to work fine. Now when I go to login
as anyone other than root I get a message "System Is Going Down For A Halt
Dec 25 at such and such time" and the login fails. I can successfully login
as root however. I tried to set the system time back thinking it would
shutdown at the specified time and reset itself. This didn't work. Does
anyone know where it's storing this phantom shutdown notice so I can wipe it
out? Thanks in advance.
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:11:26 +0800
From: Samson Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: only L in LILO BOOT :)
Hi Tobias,
I also encounter this problem before, first of all you need to check
your hard disk type first,
if you are using compatiable PC there are three type of your hard disk
setting 1.Normal
2.LBA and 3.Large. You must set your hard disk to LBA mode.
Regards,
Samson :)
Tobias Andersson wrote:
> Hello I've got some problems after I installed Redhat Linux 5.2. I have
> two harddrives.
> 1: 7,6 GB
> 2: 3.4 GB
>
> I boot from disk number one, but I can boot from both if I want to. I
> had linux installed on disk two. Yesterday I wanted to install linux on
> my first harddrive and use the second as a swapdrive. And so I did.
> When I bought the second drive I didn't format and partition the whole
> drive, I left 1,12 GB to Linux. I suppose you don't have to use for
> example fdisk or partionmagic to get a Linux-partion, to work, if you
> have spared 1 GB which isn't used by any OS.
>
> Maybe that's my problem, that I hadn't formated and used the space under
> Windows/dos first? Because when I installed Linux on my other drive I
> took away a partition which had been used by Win 95 and then installed
> Linux.
>
> The installation seemed to succed. I made a swap partition on my second
> drive, 124 MB. And a native Linux partition on my first drive, 1,12 GB.
> I mounted the native partition as: / , that is root I suppose.
>
> I installed everything on the CD-rom, so the installation took about 800
> MB. The last step for me was to "enable" or tell Linux that my system
> use LBA, and that I have 96 MB of memory. (I wrote: mem=96M )
>
> When I tried to reboot my system it couldn't boot. I got a big L which I
> suppose is the beginning of: LILO (LILO BOOT) Then my computer
> crashes/(doesn't do anything more). I still got the LILO BOOT left on my
> second harddrive but because I don't boot from it I suppose it's doesn't
> matter. I think I will remove it with FDISK /MBR...
>
> I would appreciate some help!
>
> Thank You!
> /Tobias
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:31:10 -0600
steve mcadams wrote:
> How so? I build a product, I sell a product, I release the source
> code so people who buy the product can maintain it themselves if they
> so choose. All I ask is that customers not give my product away for
> me. I don't see how this takes away anyone's independence.
That's how I did my consulting business for nearly 18 years. It worked
for me.
My forte was not only leaving behind the source code, but training
someone in the business to support and modify it. They only had to sign
a contract that included a non-compete clause. Most people can code
what they understand, and can't code what they don't understand. Many
times I ended up teaching my client more about HIS business then he knew
before I came. It's all in the details.
> On the other hand the open-source concept seems to take away my
> freedom, since basically (as I understand it) it says I can't sell a
> product I have to give it away, I can only sell services.
>
Not really, if you are *NOT* using the GPL code base as the source of
your programs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: GUI Perl Debugger
Date: 27 Dec 1998 23:45:29 GMT
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:12:49 -0600,
Andrew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Davies wrote:
> !
> ! Does anyone know if there is a windows based perl debugger for Linux?
> ! I know Activestate have released one for Microsoft Windows.
>
> you might want to try out DDD (Data Display Debugger), a graphical
> front end for a few debuggers, perl support is now included:
>
> ftp://ftp.ips.cs.tu-bs.de/pub/local/softech/ddd/
>
> you'll need motif, or LessTif (0.87 or higher). I built it
> using lesstif on my linux box ... looks ok, but I haven't
> done any serious playing with it yet.
Or you can download static binaries. (I'm behind on my lesstif installs
and I hate Motif.)
I've used it for C and it's pretty swift. Haven't tried perl debugging
in it yet. (The vast majority of my perl debugging is insertion of
'print STDERR' lines usually. :))
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:00:34 -0600
Victor Danilchenko wrote:
<snip>
> P.S. I have just finished reading Dawkins's "The Selfish Gene". He has a
> very interesting example there -- how a society of "hawks" (aggressors)
> and "doves" (passives) balances out. Turns out that the the state to
> which such a society will naturally lean, is a not very good one. A much
> better overall benefit might be arrived at by implementing artificial
> conventions. FSF is proposing such a convention, which will lead to a
> greater overall society good than the current model.
So, is Dawkin's proposing that a command-and-control structure imposed
upon a society is better for that society than the freedom and liberty
of it individuals to make their own choices? If that is the essence of
his proposal then that philosophy has already been tried and proven to
be a colossal failure after a 70 year experiment that costs the lives of
over 100 million people. Doesn't sound like a "better overall benefit"
to me.
That experiment proved that in the long run elitist only end up making
things better for themselves and their allies, and worse for the masses
they claim to have such a concern for.
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From: rks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B Problem
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:55:56 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Doug,
I have also a cablemodem and a Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 and it works fine.
Did you connect this networkcard directly to the cablemodem? If you connect
by the hub it won't work because most ISP check for the MAC-address of your
NIC. At least my ISP. Did you configure your NIC to use 10Mb and not 100Mb?
Doug Goldstein wrote:
> I just recently got into Linux for my company. I got the task of setting
> up our web server on the network. Which we have the Intel EtherExpress
> Pro/100B cards and Intel InBusiness Hubs. I purchased a book including
> RedHat 5.1 and installed it along with the card. Rebuilt the kernel so
> it's a driver. Only problem is that during booting up the card is
> detected and passes all the tests. But our network is connected to the
> web via a cable modem so this server needs to connect to the DHCP server
> to get an IP address. But for some reason everytime it tries during boot
> up it fails. I was required to get a different DHCP client called
> rrDHCPcd, cause that's what works with the cable provider. Try as I do I
> can not get it to connect to the server. Nor when I type /sbin/ifconfig
> does the eth0 device show up. The eth0 does show when typing cat
> /proc/net/dev. If there is anyone that can help I'd really appreciate
> it. Or if there is any other info I need to provide just tell me.
> Thanks.
>
> Doug Goldstein
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming)
Subject: Re: Fetchmail broken after switch to Qmail
Date: 28 Dec 1998 03:27:39 GMT
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> Fetchmail won't work anymore since "upgrading" to qmail - used to work like
> a champ with sendmail. I use Pine3.95.rpm, on Redhat5.0, and have the
> following line in /home/ncrose/.fetchmailrc:
>
> poll mailhub.exis.net proto pop3 user ncrose with pass MyPassword is ncrose here
add
options forcecr
to .fetchmailrc also, as per the FAQ.
> I uninstalled the Sendmail rpm (and rebooted), then installed the Qmail rpm
> (and then rebooted). Now when using fetchmail, I get the following error
> message:
>
> fetchmail: Invalid command, try one of: STAT, LIST [msg], RETR msg, TOP msg n,
> DELE msg
> , UIDL [msg], NOOP, RSET, QUIT
> 1 message for ncrose at mailhub.exis.net (3936 octets).
> reading message 1 of 1 (3936 octets) .fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost
> failed:
> Connection refused
Qmail is quite picky about DNS, it seems. I got a refused connection when
trying to send mail to localhost, but adding
smtphost my.mailserver.fqdn
to .fetchmailrc solved that problem. YMMV.
> fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from mailhub.exis.net
> fetchmail: Query status=10
>
>
> Perplexing also, is the disappearance of my folders in Pine! Used to have
> inbox, sent-mail, outbox, etc. - now just a long string of gibberish
> characters.
Well, depending on what rc file you've got qmail running with, your Inbox
should be in $HOME/Mailbox (qmail default) or /var/spool/mail.
No idea what happened to the other boxes though, sorry. I've not had that
problem here - I'm runing Pine 4.05 and Mutt 0.95i
> Hope someone can help! I want Qmail installed to increase security, etc.
I'm not an expert with qmail or fetchmail, but the above has worked for me.
> Thanks!
HIH,
> Chip Rose.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Fleming.
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From: Hoeteck Wee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fetchmail broken after switch to Qmail
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:42:29 -0500
Hi,
For a start, do check your email address for newsgroup postings; change
the domain name to something more meaningful than default
localhost.localdomain :)
> (and then rebooted). Now when using fetchmail, I get the following error
> message:
>
> fetchmail: Invalid command, try one of: STAT, LIST [msg], RETR msg, TOP msg n,
Try using fetchmail with the verbose option; we'd need to know what the
command that fetchmail used here. Anyhow, this would be a problem with
the POP3 server on mailhub.exis.net, not so much sendmail/qmail on your
local machine.
> reading message 1 of 1 (3936 octets) .fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost
> failed:
> Connection refused
> fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from mailhub.exis.net
fetchmail delivers the mail by sending it to your local SMTP server,
which used to be sendmail, until you've removed sendmail and installed
qmail. Try "telnet localhost 25" and see what you get.
Hope that helps. Good luck!
-- hoeteck
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From: mvrao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Staroffice 4.0 Vs. 5.0
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:33:40 +0000
which is better- staroffice 4.0 with SP3 or SO 5.0 ? Does 4.0 SP3 have
office 97 filters ?
Thanks
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From: Tom Hennen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Black and White Netscape
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:26:56 +0000
Does anyone know why netscape only shows up in black and white on my
system. The pages appear normally, but the controls are all in black
and white. Any suggstions are appreciated.
Tom Hennen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.on-track.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: ATT Worldnet Connectivity
Date: 28 Dec 1998 00:24:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Casey R. Adkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Q. Has anyone connected to ATT Worldnet via linux (i.e. EXPECT
>script)specifically using kppp?
Connected, yes, but not using those specific facilities.
You need CHAP authorization enabled. I use a rather old version
of PPP, so I'm not sure how things have changed in recent times...
In file /etc/ppp/chap-secrets, you need something which looks
like this:
# Secrets for authentication using CHAP
# client server secret IP addresses
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" * "passwrd-pairxxx"
You can turn on debugging with pppd by putting a couple of
entries into /etc/ppp/options, too. I leave these there and
comment them out, and offhand don't remember which one does
what, turn them both on until you get it working, and then
comment them out. Debugging info will be dumped into your
system logs (which one depends on how you have them configured).
debug
kdebug 7
Prefix them with a '#' to comment them out. You will no
doubt find the resulting logs far more confusing than not,
but just scan down through the stuff that makes no sense
at all, and eventually it will say something which indicates
where the process is stopping. That gives you somewhere
to start.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:45:41 -0500
From: Don Buckenmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DSP reset failed?
Anyone,
I am running RH 5.1 and have a problem detecting the sound card. At
first I thought it was only when I ran the 'sndconfig' utility .. and I
got the message: "DSP reset failed" ... but then I noticed upon booting
linux that I saw the same message during all those messages which scroll
by.
I have a Sound Blaster 32 and, strangely enough, had it working under
the RH 5.0 version I upgraded from.
Any ideas out there? I tried to see if it might be the permissions on
the directory the dsp and dsp1 are in, but that didn't seem to make a
difference.
Help!
Don Buckenmeyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Robson)
Subject: LILO boot problem in Redhat 5.2
Date: 28 Dec 1998 03:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Robson)
I upgraded to Redhat 5.2 from 5.0. In 5.0, I modified the /etc/lilo.conf file
to make it more user-friendly.
I added this line before the PROMPT command :
message=/etc/my_custom_boot_menu.txt
In my custom menu file 'my_custom_boot_menu.txt', I typed the following
lines to prompt the user for a choice between booting up with Windows 95
or Linux :
Type " 1 " to boot to Windows 95
Type " 2 " to boot to Linux
Back to the lilo.conf file, I modified the 'label' line for Windows 95 to
label=1 and for Linux to label=2
MY QUESTION IS : My custom menu works fine in 5.0, but does NOT work at
all in 5.2 ! Why? In 5.2, it just gives me the default plain LILO boot
prompt.
Does anyone how to fix this problem? How do you define a user-friendly
menu for lilo.conf in 5.2 ? Does anyone want to share their menu and how
they implemented them ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Project management software
Date: 28 Dec 1998 09:40:08 +0800
In article <75ltp1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Duncan Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah) writes:
>
>>Is there a commercial Project management software for Linux? Thanks.
>
>If you are looking for source code control and stuff like that you can
>buy perforce for linux. Perforce is reported to be very good but
>moderately expensive. There is also CVS and RCS included in most
>distributions (both are free).
>
>I have seen some native project management software, in the critical
>path sense of the word, advertised in Linux Journal. You can probably
>get a SCO binary working via the iBCS stuff too.
I'm also looking for something like the MS Project that can do WBS, Pert,
Gannt, and other resource analysis. Would be nice to have on Linux in
promoting adoption of Linux. Thanks.
Napi
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 28 Dec 1998 01:17:59 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams) writes:
> On 27 Dec 1998 04:28:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
> wrote:
>
>>So basically you just don't like the idea of using the GPL for your own
>>code. Fine.
>
> I'm trying to figure out whether to use the GPL, the LGPL, or
> something else for a project I'm currently working on, which won't be
> complete for some time yet.
>From your postings to date, I'm amazed that you're considering either the
GPL or the LGPL. It sounds like you want to earn money by selling your
software, which is fine, but it's not something you'll do well at with the
GPL. So do you have an actual reason for considering the GPL?
>> That's perfectly legitimate, though I'm sure it won't earn
>>you any points with RMS or the FSF.
>
> What are these points good for (serious question)?
With them specifically? Very little, unless you're motivated to impress
them. More generally, releasing good open source software would advance
your standing in the open source community in general. This is a
non-tangible thing, unless you become so prominent that you can turn your
name recognition into a job (which it sounds like you don't want anyhow),
a best-selling book, or something of that nature.
If you're seriously interested in what motivates people to write GPL
software, Eric Raymond's essays (try
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-paper.html for his most
famous one). I'm sure Stallman and others have written on the topic, too.
> I'm not looking to screw anybody or become another Bill Gates. But I
> would like to earn enough, whether on an ongoing basis or in a single
> chunk, to be able to buy a cabin in the boonies with a land-line for a
> modem and a woodstove at minimum, and not have to (a) report in for
> duty at the same time every day, (b) hang with people I don't
> necessarily want to hang with, (c) work on projects that don't
> interest me, (d) work a specified number of hours minimum, (e) etc. I
> expect that I'll always continue writing code because _it's_what_i_do_
> and in effect it's my religion (or at least an expression of it).
> What I'm after is the ability to do it on my own terms. This is not, I
> think, "milking every effort for maximum monetary profit".
It's unlikely you'll achieve this with GPL software, though releasing an
occasional GPL product may not detract from this goal. Again, see Eric
Raymond's essays for information on making money via GPL. Mostly it's
peripheral products or services that earn the money in the economic field
of open source.
>> It would be like
>>telling a meat eater (commercial license user) that the price of meat was
>>going down slightly. That might be good news for the meat eater (another
>>reason to use a commercial license), but it'll be irrelevant for most
>>vegetarians (GPL license users).
>
> Don't bother with the meat-eater vs vegetarian arguments Rod. I was
> strict vegan for about 5 years and it was great. Once I got married I
> couldn't afford it anymore (nuts at $5/pound when the kids are
> hungry?)
The analogy wasn't intended to be related to economic factors. It's not
the greatest analogy in the world, but your comment completely misses the
point.
[Life goals of being independent of bosses snipped for brevity.]
> IN BIG LETTERS: You convince me FSF, Open-Source, GPL, are the way to
> achieve this, then I'll release every future piece of code I write
> (not as an employee) under GPL or whatever until I find out I've been
> screwed (if this doesn't happen it means forever).
I'm not trying to convince you of that. I don't think anybody is. You've
been making sweeping, general attacks on the GPL and only later saying
these attacks are based on your PERSONAL GOALS. GPL probably isn't right
for you. It is for others. End of story.
>> If it does succeed and your worst fears come true, though, it
>>won't be the end of the world. Society (and the individuals which make
>>up society) have adapted to plenty of other social and economic
>>upheavals. It's not always pleasant for the individuals, of course, but
>>that's the price we necessarily pay for living in a dynamic society which
>>experiences rapid technological changes.
>
> This kind of communistic claptrap I can do without.
Oh, please. When did I mention communism? I was referring to historical
facts -- e.g., displacement of manual laborers because of
industrialization a century or two ago [and even today in some parts of
the world]; displacement of other workers because of computers today;
etc. I didn't say this was true of any economic system more than any
other, that any economic system dealt with it better than any other, or
that it was either good or bad. It simply is. As individuals, we can
either learn to adapt to it or be rolled over by it. The Internet is a
technology which makes open source software work, and it has the
potential to cause economic upheavals among the "programming laborers."
How big those upheavals will be is unknown at this point. Lots of other
things could do the same, too (e.g., AI systems to program computers, a
levelling off of technological growth, etc.).
> "Screw the
> individual and it'll be better for mankind in the long run" is the
> kind of philosophy that's come from the mouths of such great
> philosophers as Adolph Hitler. Try "this works for individuals
> because xxx and it also works for society because yyy" and I'll read
> every word of it like it was a tome from God. -steve
Again, you're mis-reading my post, and I don't appreciate the implied
comparison of myself with Hitler.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the digit and following word from my address to mail me
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:31:03 -0800
From: Barry Grussling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Slackware screen clear on logout
Hi,
Is their a way to make Slackware clear
it's screen efficiently such as is done in RedHat
when the exit or logout command is issued?
Thanks.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
Date: 28 Dec 1998 03:58:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <zmAh2.2159$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> >In article <766d1l$22g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Sergei Gerasenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>I've been working on this problem for 4 days already. I've had three nights
> >>when I went to bed at 8 a.m.! Here is the problem. I bought a RedHat
>
> You could have bought an NT, and in 5 minutes had this done, (without
> reading a single HOWTO) and spend the rest of your time actually using
> the PC instead.
>
> This is a typical Unix junk that we have to live with. If you think
> setting up a PPP on Linux is hard, try it on Solaris. May be there in 2 weeks
> you'll get it working (assuming you'll skip sleeping).
>
> People brag and shout how wonderfull and powerfull UNIX is, yet when it
> comes to a common task such as this, it failes on its face, becuase no
> one wants to write a simple GUI tool to automate this task once and for
> all. (no, I am not going to write this tool, becuase I am not the
> one who is screeming how wonderfull Linux is).
>
> But if it can be done on Windows, why can't it be done on Linux? is it
> really possible that Windows actually is easier to use than Linux! oh no,
> it can't be, yes, right.
>
> Erick.
Hmmm. When my wife or son bring up a browser on their Linux boxes, my Linux box
automatically dials our ISP, and the URL appears on their box. Not only that,
we can all three use the internet at the same time, through the same phone
connection. And our ftp's are straight, no proxies to mess with. Try this on
NT, without spending a dime.
If you want to line Microsoft's pockets, that's your business, I'll stick to
using Linux and helping those I can do the same...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:45:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Wrong. The *real* solution is one that the filesystem layout doesn't
> >allow. The *real* solution is to say that if someone wants to link
> >to one of my files that's just great, but when I delete all of *my*
> >filenames for it, then it should no longer be owned by me. (This isn't
> >possible, but it's the only thing that would satisfy me 100%. Your
> >rm aliasing is probably what I will resort to, but I will always
> >consider it a work-around, not a real solution.) The problem stems
> >from the fact that when user foo makes a hardlink, there is no record
> >in the filesystem that that link was made by him.
>
> IMHO the "real" solution would be for disk space accounting to work
> by directory as well as file owner. If you own a directory then you
> are "charged" for all the files in it. In shared directories the owner
> of the file would be "charged" for it. A file with, say, 4 hard links
> would count for one quarter of its size in each directory where it
> can be found.
>
> Norman
>
quota enforcement is very elementary in unix. You can cheat by
storing data in file name (use multiple file since there are no limit
in the files you own, if the data is large)
There is also an exploit in http://www.rootshell.com which allow you
to store data in syslog.
--
cheers
-Yendor
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