Linux-Misc Digest #383, Volume #18 Mon, 28 Dec 98 16:13:15 EST
Contents:
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Richard Robinson)
Re: Windows umulation (was: Unix vs Windows NT) (Tom Payne)
Re: Install Hangs (Please Help) (Ben Russo)
Re: AOL as ISP? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: IRQ priorities? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: GUI Perl Debugger (Clay Irving)
Re: 5.1 + errata = 5.2 ?? ("Jeffrey S. Kline")
Re: Netscape 4.5 problem (David Harris)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Martin Skj�ldebrand)
Help w/mail thru proxy server (Jeff Clemmer)
Switching from Red Hat 5.1 to Debian (Rod Person)
Re: Installing two copies of Linux (Anthony Campbell)
Re: mount type iso9660 not known; One Answer that worked (Codifex Maximus)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Richard Robinson)
Can't get mail (Tanner McCarron)
Re: FTP GUI w/ recovery? (M��tt�nen Tuomas)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 28 Dec 1998 17:04:06 -0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Martin Skj�ldebrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 28 Dec 1998 15:45:02 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard
>Robinson) wrote:
>
>>I was thinking more of just knowing what puts things where, with a view to
>>removing things cleanly ...
>
>Yes, this is what prompted me to write the question on everything in
>its own directory. Wintendo programmers seems to have finally accepted
>this idea. Although most apps still leaves dll's all over the place.
This is why I like to let Debian manage as much of my machine as it can,
it takes care of looking after the system libraries (and does it very well).
>I'm trying to write my own clean uninstall utility. I'm not very
>familiar with Unix (have done Visual Basic before) so it's very
>slow...
Visual Basic to Unix shell-languages ? The words "sublime" and
"ridiculous" come to mind, but let's not have the religious war about
which is which ;-)
Welcome to culture shock. I came from DOS5/W3.1, several years ago now,
and found the change very well worthwhile. I just love being able to write
loops on the command line.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
I don't want to receive UCE :- remove 'x' to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Payne)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Windows umulation (was: Unix vs Windows NT)
Date: 28 Dec 1998 16:23:46 GMT
Steve Revilak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: dstephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > 98 percent of the software that I like to use is 95 or Nt only. A lot of
: > really great games that I like to play mostly. I perfer Nt over 95 for
: > gaming (if the game runs under NT, otherwise use 95 ) since the game
: > crashes but not the os (I've gotten NT to a real stable point)
Unfortunately, the distribution format for popular software is Win32.
: This may be a silly notion, but has anyone written a windows emulator
: for windows? Perhaps I'm crazy, but one would think that such a
: creature would make Linux a much more attractive offering, particularly
: to an organization with a large base of existing ms apps.
The WINE project seeks to run Win16 and Win32 binaries under x86 Unix
implementations via emulation. That project is more than than five
years old but is still not in alpha release.
: I'm aware of several usable incarnations that run on the macintosh, so
: it should be a doable thing.
Right, but instead of supporting emulation the commercial Unix
community has rallied around Sun's (thus far unsuccessful) Java
strategy in hopes of changing the distribution format of popular
software. Corel was among the first to try and then abandon that
strategy. They now support WINE.
Tom Payne
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Install Hangs (Please Help)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:17:11 -0500
>
> Partition Check:
> hda:
>
> I am new to Linux and chose Red Hat because I hear the installation is
> so easy and because of the support that comes with registration. Well
> I've been waiting a week and a half for a response from Red Hat so at
Stop waiting and call them again. If you bought the boxed set they owe
you
support. They have always been good to me. But ONLY when the problem
deals with installation.
You are booting from the CD? Or from the floppy Disks?
Explain what you see (step by step) after you turn on the computer until
it
hangs. Maybe I will realize what the problem is.
-Ben.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: AOL as ISP?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:28:20 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 28 Dec 1998 04:09:01 GMT, Rod Brick...
..and <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if it's possible to connect to the internet via AOL as
> the ISP? If so, can you point me in the direction of any relevant
> documentation to accomplish this. Thanks much.
It's not possible with Linux. AOL use a proprietary protocol, and AOL
software that makes use of that protocol is so far only available for Windows.
Perhaps they will see the light after the years, just like T-Online (kind of
a German AOL ;) did, and offer normal PPP.
mawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: IRQ priorities?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:34:23 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 28 Dec 1998 05:15:04 GMT, Terry Porter...
..and <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:37:06 +0100, Matthias Warkus
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On my system, it feels as if disk I/O had priority over network I/O. This is
> >kind of an annoying behaviour. How can I change it? I heard of irqtune, is
> >that the way to go?
> >
> >mawa
> >--
> >Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
> >It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
> >lowers your social status...
> love your sig!
> hahahahah
> Dyson Spheres for sale!!!, I'll take a small one, thanks, with only two
> small continents, the rest ocean. Can you locate it at L2 for me ??? ;-)
Thanks, but you don't know what a Dyson Sphere is, obviously, it's a sphere
that encompasses a whole sun system, and it's not a solid object.
But I can get you two at the price of one if you want.
> Seriously:-
> Yes I HAD to use irqtune, as I was getting heaps of errors on my com2
> irqtune fixed this, now no errors at all. But beware, knowledge of the IBM pc
> hardware brings sadness and remorse!
>
> KUDOS to the author of IRQTUNE !!!
I use irqtune now. I found out my modem has always been at higher priority
than the disk I/O, but there was something at a higher priority (cascade
IRQ, I suppose). Now the modem is on IRQ priority 0.
> terry
> (who thinks your regurally re hashed topics faq was a good idea,
> after a while anyone can kill file em if they dont want em!)
Thank you for the motivation. BTW, I gotta repost the FRT now. Thanks for
reminding me; I pretty much forgot about it over the holidays!
nawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clay Irving)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: GUI Perl Debugger
Date: 28 Dec 1998 11:18:47 -0500
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Andrew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Paul Davies wrote:
>!
>! Does anyone know if there is a windows based perl debugger for Linux?
>! I know Activestate have released one for Microsoft Windows.
>you might want to try out DDD (Data Display Debugger), a graphical
>front end for a few debuggers, perl support is now included:
> ftp://ftp.ips.cs.tu-bs.de/pub/local/softech/ddd/
>you'll need motif, or LessTif (0.87 or higher). I built it
>using lesstif on my linux box ... looks ok, but I haven't
>done any serious playing with it yet.
Also check:
http://reference.perl.com/query.cgi?debug
--
Clay Irving
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jeffrey S. Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 5.1 + errata = 5.2 ??
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:50:14 -0600
They are not identical but if you have all the buggies fixed, there really
isn't a reason to migrate to another version up yet. I'd probably wait until
the next major kernal release and then I'd go.
Richard Steiner wrote in message ...
>[Posted and e-mailed]
>
>Here in comp.os.linux.misc, "Armando L. Caro Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>I am running RH 5.1, and I just recently (today) upgraded all the errata
>>listed on the website. I have even moved to kernel 2.0.36.1. Is this
>>the equivalent to upgrading to RH 5.2?
>
>Probably very close. To be honest, it really doesn't matter as long as
>you are able to run the software you want to run on 5.1.
>
>In general, though, it's a good idea to keep up on the errata, and to
>install any applicable fixes (particularly if you're connected to the
>net full time).
>
>--
> -Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
> OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
> WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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From: David Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.5 problem
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:24:02 -0500
I'm getting a weird thing to, if I don't call for the window to refresh
itself, it will freeze after a few seconds and sit there. I've use netscape
4.5 with that 1.2 or whatever library. I use WindowMaker (but I'm going to
install enlightment I think). Also the damn thing is slow as christmas. I'll
get on this windows machine and I'll use my grandmother's AOL account and it
just zips on by with a 56K connection. On my linux machine, it takes for
goddamn ever. I'm starting to think that I should go back to windows (I made
the change in 1992). I know I won't, but the thought has crossed my mind. Is
there an optimization howto for linux?
Two other things - I still want to do that Tux game. I'm still writing
routines. Anybody know where a good source of information is for simple 3D
engines. I've got the math done and a few other things done, but I need a
fast textured polygon routine (and that's really all I want right now, I
don't think I'll need any light sourcing at the moment). I've got the basics
of collision detection down (bounding sphere style) but there's got to be a
faster way. When I get the engine done I'll post it and ask for ideas but for
right now I need these algorithms. Any suggestions?
Also, is there a central version control program? Like, I have to much to
look after right now, with new releases coming out every two days of my
favorite programs. I can subsribe to the mailing list, but then I've still
got to do the install. I want for there to be a deamon of some sort that
keeps track of all this for me. I will write it myself if neccessary. I
suppose it would be simply a bunch of scripts tied to directories and ftp
sites signaled by an e-mail of somesort. Suggestions here? Is it worth it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Skj�ldebrand)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:28:55 GMT
On 28 Dec 1998 15:45:02 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard
Robinson) wrote:
>I was thinking more of just knowing what puts things where, with a view to
>removing things cleanly, if I'm having a look at a new program and decide I
>don't want to keep it on the system. As a user, I don't want my home
>directory filling up with unused leftovers either.
Yes, this is what prompted me to write the question on everything in
its own directory. Wintendo programmers seems to have finally accepted
this idea. Although most apps still leaves dll's all over the place.
I'm trying to write my own clean uninstall utility. I'm not very
familiar with Unix (have done Visual Basic before) so it's very
slow...
M.
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From: Jeff Clemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help w/mail thru proxy server
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:00:04 -0600
I have a home network using ethernet/TCP/IP with my linux box acting as
a server with no problems. I finally got the apache proxy server
working under Linux which allows my Win 98 box to access the internet.
The problem I have now is I cannot check my mail from the win98 client
browser through the proxy server. I can't seem to find anything on the
apache website or linux sites that addresses this.
Any help appreciated!
Jeff
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From: Rod Person <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Switching from Red Hat 5.1 to Debian
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:47:28 -0500
How can I upgrade a Red Hat system to Debian without deleting the
working binary apps? I think if I follow the installation procedures and
not initalize a previous linux partition, it will just write over the
red hat stuff. Any one know.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Campbell)
Subject: Re: Installing two copies of Linux
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:08:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 28 Dec 1998 10:19:30 -0500, Eric Hesselberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I have Redhat 5.0 and I have installed two copies on different partitions on my
>hard drive. The older version will not mount the hard drive so I get a kernel
>panic. I have changed fstab file to reflect the changed but it still does not
>boot. What other files reference what drive to boot from? Thanks
>
>
>Eric Hesselberg
>
Not sure if I've understood this correctly, but I think you may be using a
different partition from that which the kernel is pointing to. This would
explain the kernel panic. Do "rdev" on the kernel and see what it is expecting.
If it's wrong, change it with "rdev <zImage> /dev/hda3" (or whatever).
Anthony
--
Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.achc.demon.co.uk
"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on..." - Edward Fitzgerald (Rubaiat of Omar Khayyam)
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: mount type iso9660 not known; One Answer that worked
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:40:10 -0600
Miles O'Neal wrote:
> Norm Dresner wrote:
> >
> > After getting this error on an upgrade from 5.0 to 5.1 and searching for a
> > while at www.dejanews.com, I concluded that the only way to fix the problem
> > was to make a new kernel.
>
> Yes, this appears to be the case. I finally found a reference to a
> howto
> or FAQ that gave the command that lists the FS types the kernel knows
> about, and the 5.1 kernel by default doesn't include iso9660! Must be a
> MicroSoft influence or something (please upgrade to service pack 3).
>
> 8^/
>
> > I'd be glad to e-mail my configuration file to anyone who thinks it will
> > help, but each machine is so individual that I can't imagine it will help
> > anyone at all.
>
> I'm far more interested in just what you have to do to build
> a kernel. My kernel source wasn't in /usr/src/linux2.0.34/
> which is where slackware would have put it. SO I tried to install
> the kernel source RPM, which dumped a truckload of files in
> /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS, and it wasn't clear what I really wanted there.
>
> Is there somewhere else I should be looking?
>
> Thanks,
> Miles
Try this:
depmod -a
insmod cdrom # I think this is the name of the loadable module - check
/lib/modules to be certain.
mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
It should work as most RedHat installations come with modules ready to go. Check
/etc/fstab for your proper cdrom device name and mount point.
You can compile CDROM support into the kernel but... it's not really necessary.
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My opinions are mine alone - though others may borrow...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 28 Dec 1998 15:45:02 -0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the 28 Dec 1998 00:13:52 GMT, Mengmeng Zhang...
>..and <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Richard Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> : You can keep track, of course. 'tar -t' will tell you ...
>>
>> Why not just do a "make -n install"? ...
>
>Simple trick #2:
>
>Do the "make install" as a regular user. Every file that is "installed" in
>this test run will generate a "Permission denied" error.
>
>The problem is having stuff installed in world-write directories, but none
>of the install directories should be world-write anyway.
I was thinking more of just knowing what puts things where, with a view to
removing things cleanly, if I'm having a look at a new program and decide I
don't want to keep it on the system. As a user, I don't want my home
directory filling up with unused leftovers either.
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
I don't want to receive UCE :- remove 'x' to reply.
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From: Tanner McCarron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't get mail
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:07:50 -0800
I have Red Hat 5.0. I recently figured out how to connect to internet.
Now I can send mail, browse the web, ftp , usenet, etc., but I have yet
to recieve any mail. I've been through many configuration files and
tried all the mail programs I can find. Anyone have a hint?
Tanner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M��tt�nen Tuomas)
Subject: Re: FTP GUI w/ recovery?
Date: 28 Dec 1998 20:36:17 GMT
On 24 Dec 1998 20:42:22 PST, Sean LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Are there any apps out there (similar to Bullet Proof FTP or CuteFTP
>on Windoze) which are "nice" front-ends to ftp?
You could try WXftp, take a look at <http://www.wxftp.seul.org/>.
BTW, <http://freshmeat.net/> and <http://www.linuxapps.com> are
good places to search for a certain application.
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