Linux-Misc Digest #390, Volume #18 Tue, 29 Dec 98 02:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: USB in Linux? (Christopher Browne)
RVPlayer plugin for Netscape ("Louis C. Kouvaris")
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Mount (or /dev/cdrom) problem (Peter S. Frouman)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (David Fox)
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page (Steve Mading)
Re: Quake II for Linux (Paul Mora)
Quake II for Linux (Mark Worsdall)
Re: hylafax and print to fax (Patrick O'Neil)
Re: Red Hat buyers beware! (LinuxCyrix)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Christopher Browne)
Re: SuSE or RedHat (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: nuke!! (LinuxCyrix)
Re: Mount (or /dev/cdrom) problem (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Deleting /var/log/messages... ("Charles Stack")
> 8GB hard drive (Dave Brown)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (Darren Greer)
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page (Alexander Viro)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: USB in Linux?
Date: 29 Dec 1998 04:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:50:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is it possible to use USB devices in Linux? I've got a QuickCam, and sooner
>or later, there might be a video4linux app that can use them - but what
>about USB?
See: <http://tv.teknoland.es/~inaky/>
Progress has been fairly slow.
--
"Waving away a cloud of smoke, I look up, and am blinded by a bright,
white light. It's God. No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but
God. In a booming voice, He says: "THIS IS A SIGN. USE LINUX, THE FREE
UNIX SYSTEM FOR THE 386." -- Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: "Louis C. Kouvaris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RVPlayer plugin for Netscape
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:23:46 -0500
I am having trouble getting RVPlayer 5.0 to run as a plugin for Netscape
4.5. RVPlayer runs fine standalone. I followed the directions for plugin
with Netscape but when I click an ram link, all that happens is that
RVPlayer opens but doesn't play the stream. If RVPlayer is already open, I
get a message saying it can't open another instance of RVPlayer. Any help is
appreciated. Thanks.
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:38:30 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> this did not work for me (red hat 5.2).
> filled in the blanks. the connection hangs right after connecton is made,
> some error about PAM and authorization.
> never had this problem on windoz though. there it just works everytime.
> btw, the dial-out GUI is even better designed and looks better on
> windows than the control panel thing on linux.
>
> Steve.
>
Well, to make it an even match, test setting up the dial-up on an
installed Win95 with the dial-up on an installed KDE. I've done them
both, the windows dial-up more times than I can count. KDE wins hands
down, INHO.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S. Frouman)
Subject: Re: Mount (or /dev/cdrom) problem
Date: 28 Dec 1998 03:01:42 GMT
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:43:16 GMT, Boris Statnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a newly installed RH 5.1 system which I installed off the CD.
>Now it cannot mount CDs anymore:
>
>mount -o ro -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
>mount: the kernel does not recognize /dev/cdrom as a block device
> (maybe `insmod driver'?)
/dev/cdrom is probably a symlink to the wrong device.
'dmesg|grep CDROM' should show the correct device, for example /dev/hdb
for the second drive on the first IDE interface, /dev/hdc for the first
one on the second interface and so on. so the solution is probably
rm -f /dev/cdrom;ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdrom (where X is the correct device)
>I have tried other cd devices, incl. /dev/hdc1 just in case. I have
That should be /dev/hdc rather than /dev/hdc1
>also tried insmod isofs. Any ideas?
Most likely the problem is using the wrong device rather than the kernel
not having iso9660 support.
--
-Peter Frouman | finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key
Zippy says:
I'm having an emotional outburst!!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Date: 28 Dec 1998 20:04:57 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> You could have bought an NT, and in 5 minutes had this done, (without
> reading a single HOWTO) and spend the rest of your time actually using
> the PC instead.
If you use Redhat's netcfg for all your configuration you may have a
similar experience to the NT experience, which though less featureful
at least works.
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: 29 Dec 1998 00:15:28 -0600
Alexander Viro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <764ve6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >consider it a work-around, not a real solution.) The problem stems
: >from the fact that when user foo makes a hardlink, there is no record
: >in the filesystem that that link was made by him.
: ... that is, except the place where the link was created. Don't
: give 'em too many directories where they could write and you are OK.
: Keeping /home and /tmp on separate filesystems is the Good Thing (tm)
: by *many* reasons. If you are concerned about root doing such things...
: well, root can simply decrease your qouta and be done with that.
That's an administrative defacto standard, not the sort of thing the
filesystem can rely on being true. In order for the filesystem to
be able to make a file no longer be owned by me when my last link
to it goes away it needs something more certain than that.
--
Steve Mading: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~madings
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:24:53 -0500
From: Paul Mora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Quake II for Linux
Mark Worsdall wrote:
> I am downloading:- quake2-3.20-i386-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz
>
> Is this the only one and the correct one to download?
>
> Once I have it, can some one send a few commands necessary to install
> quakeII from this archive.
>
> Like where best to store it and what to do?
Hi.
Once you download it, untar it in a temporary directoy, and read the
README. It explains everything.
pm
--
Paul Mora
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mark Worsdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Quake II for Linux
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:36:15 +0000
Hi,
There seems to be many Quake files within the id ftp site for linux all
rather big.
I am downloading:- quake2-3.20-i386-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz
Is this the only one and the correct one to download?
Once I have it, can some one send a few commands necessary to install
quakeII from this archive.
Like where best to store it and what to do?
M.
--
Mark Worsdall - Oh no, I've run out of underpants :(
Home:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB site:- http://www.worsdall.demon.co.uk
Shadow:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB site:- http://www.shadow.org.uk
Work:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB site:- http://www.hinwick.demon.co.uk
TCP/IP gatewaying http://www.hinwick.demon.co.uk/computerDept/
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From: Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hylafax and print to fax
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 04:13:12 GMT
Stephen Richard FREELAND wrote:
>
> Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : How does one print to fax from apps?
>
> I'm no authority, but is this even possible? Because of the way
> lpd/lpr works, there's no way to give it information like the phone number
> to dial, and no *good* way to get it (or a program it spawns) to ask.
[...]
I hope this isn't the case. If I am working in Star Office on a doc
that
I need to fax to someone...they have to be able to see the text and in
many cases the format must follow what I create on my screen.
How do you fax a file anyway? What would the result of faxing a
staroffice file to someone be? A bunch of ascii garbage, I would think,
and it could well run to MANY pages with the formatting information
also being included, making the result unintelligable.
If you send an RTF document by fax, how is that going to be readable?
More ascii garbage.
Did you mean that you print to a file and then send the file via
email as an attachment? Or are you restricted to saving as straight
ascii and sending that? If so, this isn't a usable method in
many cases...a fax or snail mail is the only option.
If linux cannot do this (while just about every other os-application
set CAN) then linux needs to develop the ability to do this (I am not
a programmer so, no, it isn't going to be from me).
BeOS, OS/2, MacOS, Windoze, DOS-Win3.1, etc, can all print to fax
so that whatever is on your screen in your text editor or word-
processor gets sent, as is (graphically/layout-wise).
Surely this hasn't been blown off and left out of linux? Hopefully
it is possible to send a nicely formatted doc/form via fax and NOT
have to use/save in straight ascii txt format and then sending that.
The extra step should be eliminated in any case (saving a file first,
then sending the txt file) and just go straight to sending what is
on your screen in your editor or wordprocessor.
patrick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (LinuxCyrix)
Subject: Re: Red Hat buyers beware!
Date: 29 Dec 1998 04:47:49 GMT
Um.. dude, MacMillan IIIIISSSSSS the "official" RedHat release. If tech
support even talked to you then yer registration number *must* have checked
out. RedHat doesn't print these CDs in their own plant. Nobody does. That's
what "publishers" are for.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: 29 Dec 1998 04:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:42:23 -0700, Kenneth Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This something I thought of that is really beginning to bother me. The
>goal of the Open Source movement is to have all software become open
>source to be refined by programmers all over the world. This means that
>companies no longer have rights to their software and can make money by
>giving support, manuals, etc. for the software. But if the open source
>movement reaches its goals this means that all software is built by
>hobbyists who enjoy writing software on their spare time. This means
>that their is no longer a need to hire programmers. Will programming
>become a hobby of what used to be a paying occupation? Is this what the
>Open Source movement is for? Please, someone find a flaw in my reasoning
>so that I may put my mind to rest.
Count the number of programmers being paid to write Open Source
software, and compare to the number of programmers doing it for a
hobby.
You will find that there are a *substantial* number of professionals
being paid to develop Open Source software.
Which indicates that your premise, which is that it is necessarily
"merely" a group of hobbyists, is false.
--
"Waving away a cloud of smoke, I look up, and am blinded by a bright,
white light. It's God. No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but
God. In a booming voice, He says: "THIS IS A SIGN. USE LINUX, THE FREE
UNIX SYSTEM FOR THE 386." -- Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SuSE or RedHat
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:46:49 -0600
Bud Rogers wrote:
>
> Zulfiqar Naushad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Both support the RPM package format.
>
> Are there any compatibility issues installing RH packages on a SuSE system?
>
> --
>
> Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> have linux, will telnet
Nope. Do it all the time. SuSE 5.3 is libc5 so you may have to use
binaries for glibc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (LinuxCyrix)
Subject: Re: nuke!!
Date: 29 Dec 1998 04:49:25 GMT
There is always a way. Here's the real question.... why?
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mount (or /dev/cdrom) problem
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:51:41 -0600
David Philippi wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:43:16 GMT, Boris Statnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > mount -o ro -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
> > mount: the kernel does not recognize /dev/cdrom as a block device
> > (maybe `insmod driver'?)
>
> Does /dev/cdrom exist?
>
> > I have tried other cd devices, incl. /dev/hdc1 just in case. I have
> > also tried insmod isofs. Any ideas?
>
> The right device for a ide cdrom could be /dev/hdc - without a number.
> You should also try 'cat /proc/modules' to see wheter there is a isofs
> module or not.
>
> Bye David
Here is the relevant line from my fstab file:
/dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto,user 0 0
works fine...
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From: "Charles Stack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Deleting /var/log/messages...
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:50:10 -0500
What is the proper method for deleting the /var/log/messages logfile? I
know I read it somewhere and now can't find the reference.
Finally, what is the best way to setup ftpd so that it can see my CD-ROM? I
am assuming that I should place a link in /home/ftp/pub pointing to the
mount point on the CD-ROM. Is this correct? Is so, how do I do this?
TIA,
Charles
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Subject: > 8GB hard drive
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 29 Dec 98 06:58:07 GMT
According to the "Large-drive HOWTO", Linux cannot/(may not?) be able to
use disk space beyond 7.8 GB. So if I buy a disk that's 8.6 GB, currently
on sale, what's usable, and how should I partition it, and can I?
I want to be able to boot Win95 on the first partition. Should I set
the CMOS to 1023,255,63 (cyl,hds,sectors), and then partition the
Win partition with fdisk, then do the rest in Linux? Since the geometry
in CMOS does not represent the full disk, with the translations get
screwed up?
If the above plan is okay, will Linux be able to access the disk space
above 7.8 GB? The HOWTO indicates that it might, but is not clear.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Greer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 03:58:54 GMT
On 28 Dec 1998 04:56:46 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-->>over $700
-->>for a 5 CLIENT licence of server,,,and server can;t do HALF the things that
-->>>Linux
-->>can do right out of the box.
-->
-->it can at least dial out. more than what new Linux users can do on Linux.
-->we are also talking about a user PC here. not a server. as in home use.
If you cant get Linux to dial out....either
a) your hardware is screwed up (or not supported)
b) your new and itll take you a little bit (be patient.....in
that you will learn as well)
I cant stand people who if they cannot get something to work in 15
minutes they give up. I mean, come on, how do plan on learnign
anything in Windows when all you do is the following to create a new
connection:
a) new connection
b) name
c) number
d) DNS
Now tell me...what have we learned here that is going to help us in
the future. Nothing.
I agree with a previous post, that in order to learn things we need to
get down to a lower level.
-->
-->> My SuSE 5.3 cost me $1.95 for the GPL version.
-->
-->this can not be the official Suse box. no manual I assume. Suse sell this for
-->about $50. if you want just the CD's, I could have sold them for you for
-->50 cents. I have a CD writer (on Windows offcourse since the Linux one
-->does not work), and will be happy to do that.
All the manuals are ONLINE....or ON THE CD. Why would you spend an
extra $48 to get something that you will have on the CD for $2.00.
Again....showing your lazyness, you must have the book. Printing a
PPP-HOWTO, or view it, is too difficult.
-->
-->>how much is MS developers studio??? $3000? $2000???? how muchare the equivalent
-->>tools in linux???? $free ????
-->>
-->
-->yes, but at least people can dial out from Windows.
So lets say it takes you 1 week to get PPP to work on Linux. And it
takes you 5 mins on NT. Ok....so your saying an extra $2000 is worth
being able to dial out.....give me a break...you ARE lazy. How bout
this...you get linux....pay me $2000 and I will set it up for you.
-->>> > This is a typical Unix junk that we have to live with. If you think
-->>>> setting up a PPP on Linux is hard, try it on Solaris. May be there in 2 weeks
-->>> > you'll get it working (assuming you'll skip sleeping).
-->>>
-->>
-->>that's funny, my partner and I had a PPP connection on solaris up and running in
-->>about 20 min,,,,
-->>
-->
-->Sure. now tell us, were you a brand new user to Solaris when you did this?
-->lets take 2 new users, who know nothing about computers, and put one
-->in front of a windows box and one in front of a UNIX box, and lets see who
-->can dial out using PPP first. I know where I'll put my money on.
If you are a new user....and dont want to LEARN...then dont get *nix.
If you want to join the dumbing down of America society of windows
only users....be my guest. As for me....I like to learn, which is why
I can Run OpenVMS, UNIX, LINUX, Windows NT, Windows95/98, and BeOS.
It takes a lazy mind to ALWAYS take the easy road. Eventually if one
wants to learn, or achieve higher goals, you have to choose "ability"
over "useability".
-->>> >
-->>> > People brag and shout how wonderfull and powerfull UNIX is, yet when it
-->>> > comes to a common task such as this, it failes on its face, becuase no
-->>> > one wants to write a simple GUI tool to automate this task once and for
-->>> > all. (no, I am not going to write this tool, becuase I am not the
-->>> > one who is screeming how wonderfull Linux is).
-->>> >
-->>
-->>actually there is,,it's called kppp and is only one of several that work well
-->
-->kppp does not come with red hat, offcourse you can always download it, expect
-->you need to dial out first. lets see, need to dial to get kppp so one can
-->dial out. very smart.
-->
-->>hmmm,,,you are right!~ the easy way is always the best way. In fact I have
-->>learned
-->>SOOOOOOO much about how PPP works when I set up my NT workstation at the office.
-->>NOT!!!
-->
-->guess what, let me tell a small secret about life. 99% of the world do not
-->care a doodle bit about learning so much about ppp. they just want to push
-->a button and be on the net. but I am glad you learned so much about.
Then that would be a new statistic for me.......99% of the world is
lazy.
-->
-->>
-->>the simple fact of the matter is that when you take the easy route out you
-->>end up
-->>losing something in the process
-->
-->Please, spare us your philsophy on life.
Can you give us yours.....lets see....maybe:
Dont do anything that someone else can do FOR you.
-->
-->a PC is a TOOL for the masses, not every one care about its
-->internals and how a ppp chat works. the easier and the less one have to
-->learn how to use the PC just to get to do basic things, the better the
-->tool is for the masses.
Again.....laziness
-->
-->you on the other hand can spend all your time learning ppp and chat scripts,
-->but do not expect everyone to have to do that same. people are busy and
-->have more important things to do with their life and time. that is why so
-->many more use windows than UNIX. why? becuase it is easier and simpler to use.
What is more important than learning???
DrGreer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: 29 Dec 1998 02:06:12 -0500
In article <769s22$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alexander Viro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: In article <764ve6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: >consider it a work-around, not a real solution.) The problem stems
>: >from the fact that when user foo makes a hardlink, there is no record
>: >in the filesystem that that link was made by him.
>: ... that is, except the place where the link was created. Don't
>: give 'em too many directories where they could write and you are OK.
>: Keeping /home and /tmp on separate filesystems is the Good Thing (tm)
>: by *many* reasons. If you are concerned about root doing such things...
>: well, root can simply decrease your qouta and be done with that.
>
>That's an administrative defacto standard, not the sort of thing the
>filesystem can rely on being true. In order for the filesystem to
>be able to make a file no longer be owned by me when my last link
>to it goes away it needs something more certain than that.
And why should it be done in fs level? Why wouldn't we introduce versions
to protect lusers from dangers of rm? .newsrc;30666, thank you so much...
It's UNIX, not VMS. And it's admin stuff, not a kernel one. Keep it in
userland.
After all, if you are concerned about quotas and evil cow-orkers fscking you
- what prevents them from doing while true; do ls -lR / | mail madings; done
which will overflow your quota much faster than stealing links to your files?
LART them if they do it. LART them hard and let other lusers see their pain.
That's the closest we can get to being sure ;-/
--
Luser, n.:
Human-like creature that doesn't dare to use elevator, because of
its belief that only horrible geeks can master arcane and obscure art of
using control panel.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 04:43:31 GMT
Jerry Lynn Kreps writes:
> Well, to make it an even match, test setting up the dial-up on an
> installed Win95 with the dial-up on an installed KDE. I've done them
> both, the windows dial-up more times than I can count. KDE wins hands
> down, INHO.
It says something that anyone ever has any trouble dialing in from Windows,
doesn't it? After all, what does an ISP do when he finds than some of his
customers are having trouble getting in from Windows? *Anything*!!
(except, of course, suggest that the problem might be in Windows). Hire
consultants, buy new hardware, buy new software, fire someone, *anything*.
If the customers can't get in from Windows, bankruptcy looms.
And if they can't get in from Linux? So what?
Think the above just might have a bit to do with the fact that it is a bit
easier to dial into most ISP's from Windows than from Linux?
--
John Hasler This posting is in the public domain.
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Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
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