Linux-Misc Digest #482, Volume #18 Tue, 5 Jan 99 19:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Audio CD's (Andy Piper)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (jedi)
Re: help me choose license (steve mcadams)
Re: gpm mouse problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Ethernet/Token Ring and Cabletron Switches ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: accessing math.h functions (Jim Buchanan)
Re: QMAIL question - Where is my email disappearing to? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? ("Mosl Roland")
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (David Damerell)
c compiler problem (Indiana)
Re: Should I install Linux on my new computer? ("Graham K. Glover")
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From: Andy Piper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Audio CD's
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:03:01 +0000
Jimme Quinn Ross wrote:
>
> I want to play my audio CD's on my Red Hat 5.1 box. Is this possible?
> Any information will be appreciated. (I'm at the office now, and my
> Linux Enc. is home otherwise I'd have looked there first.)
It's possible. You need:
* a sound card :-)
* sound support either compiled into the kernel, or the relevant
kernel modules available to load;
* a sound card/kernel configuration set up;
* a program for playing CD audio tracks.
RedHat comes with various bits and pieces for playing CDs. The
basic command-line program is called 'cdp' (try 'man cdp' -
and/or install the rpm package from the RedHat distribution).
Personally, I'm using a rather nice X client called XmCD (works
for me, although I always keep an eye out for alternatives :-),
which I downloaded from... somewhere or other. It works very
nicely for me with RedHat 5.1 / kernel 2.0.36 / WindowMaker
(equally with TheNextLevel, which I used before). IIRC, RedHat
comes with XPlayCD as standard.
I'd say your likely main hurdles would be the second and/or third
points above.
Cheers
Andy
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Andy Piper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fareham, Hampshire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:45:10 -0800
On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:45:54 GMT, Verbal Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Linux rules, Linux Sucks,
>
> Before everyone goes yelping on the Linux Band wagon, and downs
>MS Windows, Linux has about as much shot as taking out MS (whatever), as
>hell freezing over! I use both win98 and Linux, and I tell you now,
>these 2 oses serve 2 distinct purposes, for power users, "hackers",
>Linux, is on par with Windows NT, but if you give Linux to My mom she
>wouldn't know what the hell to do, cause half of the time I don't know
>what the hell to do in Linux!!! Windows 98 is not a bad product it
>covers the ins and outs of its market base, very well, I plug in a modem
>it works, I plug in a sound card it works, on most occasions! You try
...that's the catch... Most could be as low as 50.5 percent.
That still leaves a lot more frustrated users out there who
really should have bought a competing product but didn't or
would refuse.
>the same thing in Linux, and yeah right, worx my ass! You've got to go
>reconfigure this, and that, compile this and that, and worst case
Kernel recompilation hasn't been a hard requirement for
quite some time now. You see, OSes have these things
called device drivers (you know, those things on Windows
that sit themselves ontop of a previously allocated IRQ).
>scenario there isn't a driver for your product, in which case you'll
>have to go pick a Linux Device Driver book, which I have done, and if
That's a problem with anything that isn't 'the one true option'.
I torture MacOS PnP boasters with that sort of thing now and
again...
>you can write a driver that works, the gods have blessed you!!!!! or
>even worse yet pay someone to write it for you, or you might get lucky
>and someone has already done so!!! Now I'll take an IRQ conflict in
>windows, any day over this, well not really cause I enjoy stuff like
The eye candy doesn't make it any easier, or eliminate one
bit of the arcana that you eventually have to learn because
it's an 'optimized for economy' kludge klone.
>that! On the otherhand, if your writing perl programs, or running a web
>server, and such Linux kicks ass! For those of you who need a finally
>tuned machine, of course, Linux is the move, but if you want to Play
>Games and AOL is your bag, I'd pick Win98 hands down! All, and all, I
>see Linux as being a definite threat to NT's server/work station market,
>but it has a long way to go to threatening, if ever, MS's consumer
>market!
Like any new platform, it (linux) needs the application
support no different from the Mac, ST, OS/2 or Windows
itself in the beginning.
Although, WinXX had a whole horde of M$ infatuated
customers to help it along (nevermind that for many
things these lemmings were doing, other systems were
more appropriate).
>
>
>
>
>
>aldev wrote:
>>
>> Linux Marketing?? Ofcourse here is the web page for it.
>>
>> Main site is at -
>> http://members.spree.com/technology/aldev/
>> Mirror sites are at -
>> http://aldev.webjump.com
>> http://homepages.infoseek.com/~aldev1/index.html
>> http://aldev. 8m. com (remove spaces in-between)
>>
>> Corporations need to read the 'Salient Features of Linux' which tells why
>> Linux is better than Windows and other operating systems.
>>
>> Please visit, bookmark & suggest this site to one and ALL
>> Also please webhost it on your intranet, internet and promote/propagate
>> everywhere!
>>
>> al dev
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I wonder if there is scope for, say, students studying marketing to do with
>> > marketing Linux what the Linux community has done with developing Linux. I
>> > have in mind a project on the WEB that would help develop the sort of
>> > marketing material and expertise needed by companies to sell the system into
>> > corporates. A rather vague notion, but I think that the OSS model can
>> > actually extend a lot furhter than OSS itself: Collaboration is a very useful
>> > learning and development tool. There are many disciplines covering everything
>> > from advertising to project management that could perhaps benefit from an
>> > online collaboration and it seems to me that Linux is the perfect product to
>> > collaborate around.
>> >
>> > Just a thought.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: help me choose license
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:30:20 GMT
[Snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with ">"]
On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:57:00 -0500, Victor Danilchenko
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, I think a very important point would be to somehow guarantee that
>the GPL license will always be available alongside with commercial one
>-- to convince people that you do not intend to use their contributions
>to develop version 1, then to commercial-only in the next release.
Can't be done in any what I know of; best I could do would be to make
the statement that the actual code in the two packages would remain
identical. Which should be sufficient I think. -steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: gpm mouse problem
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:02:55 GMT
In article <76t1go$gqj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mulks) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> >I recently installed Red Hat 5.2 and any time I shut down, the systems hangs
> >on "Terminating gpm mouse services." Is there any sort of patch available
> >for this problem? I plan to reinstall linux soon (to set my partitions the
> >way I want them), and I wonder if it would be a problem to simply not
> >install the gpm daemon. I've never been without it and am not sure how
> >useful it really is.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >Kent Hunter
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I had the same problem. Now, when I reboot, I do the following
>
> ps aux | grep gpm
>
> then kill the process id that shows up
>
>
I too have had this problem, not only when shutting down but also
occassionally when browsing in Netscape. My solution has been to simply move
the mouse a tiny bit. This instantly releases whatever is locked, at least
in my case. This is a lousy solution, but maybe it will cause a more
knowledgable person to point out what the right solution is.
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Ethernet/Token Ring and Cabletron Switches
Date: 5 Jan 1999 16:16:08 GMT
In comp.os.linux.networking Volker Dormeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
The problems occurs when BRIDGING disparate layer 2-protocols and using
MTU MTU that is incompatible.
You can correct it by 2 means :
Reduce MTU to the minimum of the two networks (1500 ?) This may cause some
performance reduction on the tokenring network.
or
replace the bridge with a router (who will fragnent those ip-packets that
traverse the intersection and is to big for the destination network).
Don't blame NT in this case, blame your network administrator for the set-up !
Peter h
> I have a serious problem in our switched Ethernet/Token Ring
> environment.
> I can�t ping (IP) from a Linux Box (Kernel 2.0.36) in the Token Ring
> segment
> to i. e a Windows NT Workstation in the Ethernet segment.
> Only when I reduce the MTU-size on the Linux Box to Ethernetsize (1500
> bytes)
> it works together with the NT-Workstations and some IBM AIX machines.
> I tried to set up a Linux-Box in the Ethernet segment; the result was
> that
> I was unable to ping a Workstation in the Token Ring Segment. The NT and
> AIX world have no problems.
> Here is some additional information about our equipment. The switches
> are from
> Cabletron Systems (Smart Switch 6000 & 9000). Ethernet and Token Ring
> are both
> the same B-Class logical IP-net.
> Some time ago I observed the same behaviour with a XyLan OmniSwitch.
> Any sugguestions/ideas?
> Thanks !
> -Volker-
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Buchanan)
Subject: Re: accessing math.h functions
Date: 5 Jan 1999 15:20:35 GMT
Amund Frislie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> when I try to compile C code with contains math functions, I get the same
> error for each function: "undefined reference to... (cos, sin, floor, etc.).
> I've included the math.h file, and all the functions are prototyped in
> mathcall.h
You need to link in the math library.
(Examples are under HPUX, not Linux)
w/o math library:
c22jrb@kopt0017$ gcc -Wall -o foo foo.c
/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
cos (code)
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
c22jrb@kopt0017$
w/math library:
c22jrb@kopt0017$ gcc -Wall -o foo foo.c -lm
c22jrb@kopt0017$
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"That would depend. He might look at two such as you and say the Bleak
Shore. Nothing more than that. The Bleak Shore. And when he said it
three times you would have to go." -Fritz Leiber
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: QMAIL question - Where is my email disappearing to?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:26:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
> Help! Since switching to Qmail from Sendmail (I used Redhat5.0 rpm's),
> my email is disappearing into a black hole and I can't find any of them.
> They used to go into ~/mail, but I've searched /var/spool and /var/qmail,
> etc., and no luck.
>
> I've gone over the qmail site and man pages as much as I could, but
> don't see any clear answers as to where Qmail puts incoming mail.
> I use Fetchmail to get it from my ISP's pop3 mailserver.
>
> "The Case of the Missing Email" - can anyone solve this mystery??
>
What mystery? Are you sure you really read the qmail manpages?
Try "man dot-qmail". This should embarass you. :)
Best Regards,
Kal
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From: "Mosl Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:40:18 +0100
Verbal Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Linux rules, Linux Sucks,
>
> Before everyone goes yelping on the Linux Band wagon, and downs
>MS Windows, Linux has about as much shot as taking out MS (whatever), as
>hell freezing over! I use both win98 and Linux, and I tell you now,
>these 2 oses serve 2 distinct purposes
The trick is, that Windows marketing makes the people believe,
that they can do everything very simple by clicking around.
This is true for some simple tasks.
>, for power users, "hackers",
>Linux, is on par with Windows NT, but if you give Linux to My mom she
>wouldn't know what the hell to do, cause half of the time I don't know
>what the hell to do in Linux!!!
At my mom same with Windows :-)
> Windows 98 is not a bad product
It's only to much advertising packed in Windows 98
Without all this advertising for
"You need more RAM"
"You need a faster computer"
it would be usefull
>it
>covers the ins and outs of its market base, very well, I plug in a modem
>it works, I plug in a sound card it works, on most occasions! You try
>the same thing in Linux, and yeah right, worx my ass! You've got to go
>reconfigure this, and that, compile this and that, and worst case
>scenario there isn't a driver for your product, in which case you'll
>have to go pick a Linux Device Driver book, which I have done, and if
>you can write a driver that works, the gods have blessed you!!!!! or
>even worse yet pay someone to write it for you, or you might get lucky
>and someone has already done so!!! Now I'll take an IRQ conflict in
>windows, any day over this, well not really cause I enjoy stuff like
>that!
I purchased my notebook together with a modem PC-card.
The card crashes because of some conflict with the mouse,
but even long year windows spezialist can not figure out
what's wrong.
> On the otherhand, if your writing perl programs, or running a web
>server, and such Linux kicks ass! For those of you who need a finally
>tuned machine, of course, Linux is the move, but if you want to Play
>Games and AOL is your bag, I'd pick Win98 hands down!
No problem for me, I do not play computer games since 1991.
So I have no need for a game playing OS.
>All, and all, I
>see Linux as being a definite threat to NT's server/work station market,
>but it has a long way to go to threatening, if ever, MS's consumer
>market!
In some years, even the most stupid consumer will think why he
has to throw away his old computer, and why he needs for a
letter to his aunt a Pentium IV 2000 Mhz with 1024 MB and
the window 2005 update ;-)
Mosl Roland
http://pege.org/ clear targets for a confused civilization
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 05 Jan 1999 17:59:05 +0000 (GMT)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>David Damerell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Nix <$}xin{[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Oh, and steering clear of PATHization also lets you install things
>>>>without requiring everyone to log out and log in again (ugh, shades of
>>>>Windows).
>>>So why would anyone log out to make it effective? That is
>>>absolutely not necessary.
>>Consider Joe Luser on a large multiuser system. He doesn't know what
>>you're doing; he isn't going to get the new system PATH until his next
>>login. But he will get immediate access to symlinked binaries.
>What makes that bad?
Look at the question I am answering. I am answering the question as to
whether a logout is necessary. I didn't even start to say this was good or
bad, mauve or orange; and talking about that is a pretty lousy distraction
from having been wrong when you said 'So why would anyone log out to make
it effective? That is absolutely not necessary.'
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From: Indiana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: c compiler problem
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 06:28:36 -0500
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Every time i try to compile an application i get this error message
although i have all gcc packages install on my machine:
checking wheter the C compiler works................no
configure error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
cannot create executables. Any sugestions
Thanks, Alex
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Every time i try to compile an application i get this error message although
i have all gcc packages install on my machine:
<br>checking wheter the C compiler works................no
<br>configure error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
cannot create executables. Any sugestions
<br>Thanks, Alex
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From: "Graham K. Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should I install Linux on my new computer?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:51:56 -0500
Ted Unnikumaran wrote:
>
> I am about to purchase my first computer, and I am not sure as to what
> operating system I should install. For the most part I am new to
> computers so I would like some help. I really don't play a lot of
> computer games and plan on using my computer to learn more about
> programming and to use the internet.
As far as what OS to install, if you buy a machine from a major vendor,
you'll pay for Win95/98 whether you want it or not.
Also, it takes nothing to "use" the internet. Three cases in point are
WebTV, AOL, and MSN.
By definition, MS boxes can be "programmed", though you might want to
focus on what you mean by "programming". If you are interested in
"visual" programming as per the Microsoft Foundation Class, then an MS
OS is for you. If you're interested in learning a programming language
such as C, C++, or Perl, Linux or other UNIX variant is for you.
If you want to bang away at a machine, go with MS. If you want an OS
that will be a tool to extend yourself, Linux or other UNIX variant is
for you.
> This is what I know
> The reason I hear Linux is better is that
> 1. It is free
There is a considerable cost to learn, one you'll find to be an
investment (versus a tax).
> 2. I would be on a similar environment as most of my school projects
> 3. With windows i won't be able to afford a lot of software available and
> with linux most of the software is either free or cheap.
> 4. I want to practice developing a database before my database class and
> I have heard it is easier to do so using linux.
> 5. It crashes a lot less
If you depend on a computer, MS is not the way to go.
> The only reason I would want to put Windows 98 or Windows Nt on my
> computer is because I really don't know that much about Windows and this
> would force me to learn it so it would help me get a real job after I
> graduate.
Really? How is that? I think you'll find a UNIX background will give
you lots of good opportunities.
> additionally at my present job. I program using visual
> basic and I am going to start programming using visual c++, and would like
> to start using visual j++, and windows would allow me to work at home
> Also I want to use the new quicken 99 to help me manage my family's
> finances and as far as I know they don't have a version for linux.
> Is it possible to use those programs with linux? If not is there a way to
> have both linux and windows on my computer because I think I remember
> seeing some program that allows you to do that.
It is possible for Windows and Linux to co-exist on the same machine.
> anyways, sorry it was soo long, and hopefully you all can help me.
Actually, you'll need to help yourself if you want any success with
Linux.
> Thanks
> Ted
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