Linux-Misc Digest #572, Volume #18 Mon, 11 Jan 99 18:13:12 EST
Contents:
need some terminfo/telnet advice (Max Jerome)
Re: sendmail vs. postfix (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: Dos/Win(vfat) file to Linux file (ext2) conversion utility (Codifex Maximus)
Re: How to HEX DUMP an ascii file? (Robert Lynch)
Re: Listing directories (easy question....) ("J�rgen Exner")
Re: 2038 and Linux (Johan Prins)
Modules don't load after compile the kernel (Pavlos Parissis)
Re: Cutting and Pasting in X windows (Pascal Rigaux)
Re: Help me with adding a new partition (Codifex Maximus)
Re: StarOffice 50 , where to get? (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: [xxx] Can Suck My Hairy Cock (Shaygetz)
ftp configuration problem ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Slow Connectioon (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: [xxx] Can Suck My Hairy Cock (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Let A Linux server look like a W95 / NT Share? (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Johan Kullstam)
Re: command line bmp to jpeg (Codifex Maximus)
FIPS won't run on my tosh 430CDT (Johan Prins)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Max Jerome )
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: need some terminfo/telnet advice
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:25:17 GMT
hi all,
I have been trying to get foxpro 2.6 for unix running under linux for
medium sized multiuser app. I have made some real progress with the
help of some nice people, but I have a few issues left to deal with.
The main on is that if I telnet in, the screen does not clear/refresh
like it should. It was much worse before I got terminfo file from a
guy that he edited it so it run foxpro correctly on the console. I
have tried several telnet programs and have found that net term shows
everything else correctly and shows foxpro better than anything else.
Does any body have any idea where to get a term info file that will
work or know how to edit one? any help would be greatly appreciated
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sendmail vs. postfix
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:22:27 +0100
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I would go for sendmail for these reasons:
- Sendmail is used on alomost every other Unix platform so there is alot
of knowledge
- Sendmail is running pretty well out of the box
- Aliases and mail forward is standard in Sednmail this does'nt go up for
every SMTP server
- Very reliable and highly tunable system
Disadvantage
- Pretty cryptical config file
- Not always the most fast server (some overhead)
We run sendmail, squid (proxy), DNS, POP3 on a P133 for about 32 people
it stays up and up untill someone accedantly hits the switch. The system
stays fast 0.02% avg.
Raymond
xcitor wrote:
> I'll be installing a new Linux system at home very soon (it'll be
> RedHat 5.2 on a Pentium 133 system). This will be my primary
> workstation for the near future. I am using this machine now, but I
> will be bringing my SCSI disks online as my primary storage, and
> retiring the IDE disks I use now. I'm hoping the P133 can buy me maybe
> another year - it seems to be fast enough. It is my hope that my new
> SCSI-only system (Adaptec 2940UW) and fast disks will speed things up
> a bit. When DSL comes to my area, this machine will probably be my
> firewall.
>
> Anyway, I'm trying to decide between sendmail and postfix. Since I'll
> be doing a rebuild from the ground up, this would be a good
> opportunity to bring a new MTA/MDA online. Any thoughts, positive or
> negative?? Any war stories to share?
>
> TIA
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Linux - the choice of a GNU generation.
>
> 1024/A883405D 1998/06/16 xcitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Key fingerprint = E6 30 57 68 E9 3E 4B 79 5E B7 DE EF F8 DF 90 8F
> Public Key Block at:
> http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA883405D
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I would go for sendmail for these reasons:
<BR>- Sendmail is used on alomost every other Unix platform so there is
alot of knowledge
<BR>- Sendmail is running pretty well out of the box
<BR>- Aliases and mail forward is standard in Sednmail this does'nt go
up for every SMTP server
<BR>- Very reliable and highly tunable system
<P>Disadvantage
<BR>- Pretty cryptical config file
<BR>- Not always the most fast server (some overhead)
<P>We run sendmail, squid (proxy), DNS, POP3 on a P133 for about 32 people
it stays up and up untill someone accedantly hits the switch. The system
stays fast 0.02% avg.
<P>Raymond
<P>xcitor wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I'll be installing a new Linux system at home very
soon (it'll be
<BR>RedHat 5.2 on a Pentium 133 system). This will be my primary
<BR>workstation for the near future. I am using this machine now, but I
<BR>will be bringing my SCSI disks online as my primary storage, and
<BR>retiring the IDE disks I use now. I'm hoping the P133 can buy me maybe
<BR>another year - it seems to be fast enough. It is my hope that my new
<BR>SCSI-only system (Adaptec 2940UW) and fast disks will speed things
up
<BR>a bit. When DSL comes to my area, this machine will probably be my
<BR>firewall.
<P>Anyway, I'm trying to decide between sendmail and postfix. Since I'll
<BR>be doing a rebuild from the ground up, this would be a good
<BR>opportunity to bring a new MTA/MDA online. Any thoughts, positive or
<BR>negative?? Any war stories to share?
<P>TIA
<P>--
<BR>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<BR>Linux - the choice of a GNU generation.
<P>1024/A883405D 1998/06/16 xcitor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<BR>Key fingerprint = E6 30 57 68 E9 3E 4B 79 5E B7 DE EF F8 DF 90 8F
<BR>Public Key Block at:
<BR><A
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dos/Win(vfat) file to Linux file (ext2) conversion utility
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:15:09 -0600
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Scott Shields wrote:
> I have a video driver on a Dos disk. How can I convert the Dos file to the
> Linux file structure so that I can use "cp" or "mv" to place the file in the
> /tmp directory from a mounted floppy.
>
> I understand that mtools can take a file from Linux to Dos file structure,
> how about for the reverse process?
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Scott
You can mount a DOS filesystem like msdos, vfat or umsdos within Linux
easily. You can copy/write them too with no problems. From floppies - they
are just a mounted filesystem in your directory tree. Now to get the driver to
run... that is another thing. Your driver is designed for DOS/Windows - it
ain't agonna work in Linux. (Maybe inside of Bochs or VirtualPC maybe or even
DOS in a BOX)
--
Codifex Maximus
Same to you and whatever you meant by that!
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Scott Shields wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I have a video driver on a Dos disk.
How can I convert the Dos file to the
<BR>Linux file structure so that I can use "cp" or "mv" to place the file
in the
<BR>/tmp directory from a mounted floppy.
<P>I understand that mtools can take a file from Linux to Dos file structure,
<BR>how about for the reverse process?
<P>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<P>Scott</BLOCKQUOTE>
You can mount a DOS filesystem like msdos, vfat or umsdos within
Linux easily. You can copy/write them too with no problems.
>From floppies - they are just a mounted filesystem in your directory
tree. Now to get the driver to run... that is another thing.
Your driver is designed for DOS/Windows - it ain't agonna work in Linux.
(Maybe inside of Bochs or VirtualPC maybe or even DOS in a BOX)
<PRE>--
Codifex Maximus
Same to you and whatever you meant by that!
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:20:25 -0800
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to HEX DUMP an ascii file?
Victor Wagner wrote:
>
> Robert Lynch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Some time ago I whacked together some stolen bits & pieces and FAQ's to
> : get a nice Hexdump (note cap "H"):
>
> : [user@ravel dbug]$ more /usr/bin/Hexdump
> [skip]
> : [user@ravel dbug]$ more /usr/bin/form
> [skip]
> Thinkgs can be even simplier. Your solution requires two files,
> but one is enough. There is no difference betwen hexdump format and,
> say, awk script, so nothing prevents you from making hexdump format
> executable:
>
> $ ls -l /usr/bin/hd
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 vitus bin 141 Jul 12 1998 /usr/bin/hd
> $ cat /usr/bin/hd
> #!/usr/bin/hexdump -f
> # @(#) prints hex dump of arguments much like NU or Volkov
> "%6.6_ax " 8/1 "%02x " " " 8/1 "%02x " "\t"
> 16/1 "%_p" "\n"
>
> Results are essentially the same, but much simplier to move it around
> form one linux machine to other and saves one block and one inode on
> disk
Thanks Victor-
It's an honor to be corrected by a master programmer like yourself.
As I said, it was cobbled together by stealing bits & pieces and hacking
around. This does not promote efficient coding. ;-)
Cheers, Bob L.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> I have tin news and pine mail...
> Victor Wagner @ home = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Listing directories (easy question....)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:45:03 -0800
Mike Moritz wrote in message ...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>djb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I know this probably sounds silly, but how do you list just the
>>sub-directories in a directory?
>
>try ls -l | grep ^d
"find" is your friend.
>From the original question I'm not sure if he wants to list the names of the
sub-directories or the content of the sub directories.
Anyway, do a find for files of type directory, maybe limit the search depth
to 0 or 1 levels (depends on what you want), and if you want to list the
content of the directories then "exec" an "ls".
For details please see the man page for find.
jue
--
J�rgen Exner; microsoft.com, UID: jurgenex
Sorry for this anti-spam inconvenience
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From: Johan Prins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:28:08 +0100
Christopher Browne wrote:
> --
> M$ is for people who want a half-way implementation of yesterday's
> ideas tomorrow.
Just too true.
I often say: At M$ they like to reinvent the wheel, but in an octogonal version.
I had to become an MCP in order to survive rather than to become a jobless Novell
CNE.. Now I get the taste of Linux, and I can relax on 100% Gates-free hardware
sometimes.
--
Johan Prins
Johan.Prins at synstar-international com
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From: Pavlos Parissis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modules don't load after compile the kernel
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:01:22 +0200
Hi all,
This is my first visit and mail mail which i am sending to this
newgroup so be genteel with my problem.
To begin with, i have RedHat 5.1 with the 2.0.35-1 kernel. I did
compile three days ago and after the reboot i noticed an error message.
He said that he cannot find modules.dep in this dir. /lib/modules/2.0.35
and of course he cannot find it because i don't have this dir but
/lib/modules/2.0.35-1 with all necessary files. I opened rc.sysinit and
i replaced the below lines
if [ -x /sbin/depmod -a -n "$USEMODULES" -a ! -f
/proc/sys/kernel/modprobe ]; then
# Get ready for kerneld if module support in the kernel
echo -n "Finding module dependencies... "
if [ -e /lib/modules/preferred ]; then
depmod -a preferred
else
depmod -a
fi
echo "done"
fi
with these lines
if [ -x /sbin/depmod -a -n "$USEMODULES" ]; then
# Get ready for kerneld if module support in the kernel
echo -n "Finding module dependencies... "
if [ -f /lib/modules/preferred ]; then
depmod -a preferred
else
depmod -a "uname -r"
fi
echo "done"
fi
but after the reboot the same message turned up.
I visited the errata but i didn't find any thing about this proplem.
I would be grateful if someine could help me.
Pavlos
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I love having the feeling of being in control
while i have the sensation of speed
The surfer of life
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From: Pascal Rigaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cutting and Pasting in X windows
Date: 11 Jan 1999 22:09:11 +0100
>I don't have a middle mouse button.
>
>Is there an alternative?
Yes, use emulate3buttons and paste pressing left&right buttons.
Pixel.
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help me with adding a new partition
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:10:50 -0600
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Miche wrote:
> Hi!
>
> When I tried to install some new large application I get the message "No
> space
> left". I have NT 4.0 on the first partition, then I have before a second
>
> partitions to NT 4.0 which is now removed, I think its /dev/hda5 becaus
> the
> disk size is equal. Now I wounder, what its the procedure to add this
> removed
> NT 4.0 partition to Linux, so I can use this free space to Linux
> applications.
>
> When I type "cfdisk /dev/hda" I get this message:
>
> /dev/hda1 Boot Primary DOS FAT16 [NO NAME ] 1539.57
>
> /dev/hda5 Logical DOS FAT16 (big) 535.50
>
> /dev/hda6 Logical Linux 941.07
>
> /dev/hda3 Primary Linux Swap 63.00
>
> Thanks?
>
> // Miche
Remove "d" the /dev/hda5 partition if you are sure it's empty. Create "n"
a new Linux partition in it's place. "w" to exit.
Create a mount point for your new partition and decide how you want to use
it. You may have a large amount of downloaded software or mp3's or a large
/usr/local/src directory. Find where your storeage needs are. Mount the
new partition on your new mount point. Do a cp -a source destination. The
-a preserves links. Remove the old directory's contents (it will be your
new mount point). Unmount from the new mount point you created and mount
it on the old directory. Edit your /etc/fstab to make sure it automounts
when you restart your system - you don't have to restart it now though...
On my machine, I have a fairly large root disk (the whole drive minus
swap), my /usr directory is a mount point for a second larger drive (second
swap partition on second drive too), and my ftp dir is a link to the
/usr/ftp directory. I can store my mp3's and my tar.gz files anywhere I
want and still have seamless access to them. :)
--
Codifex Maximus
Same to you and whatever you meant by that!
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Miche wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Hi!
<P>When I tried to install some new large application I get the message
"No
<BR>space
<BR>left". I have NT 4.0 on the first partition, then I have before a second
<P>partitions to NT 4.0 which is now removed, I think its /dev/hda5 becaus
<BR>the
<BR>disk size is equal. Now I wounder, what its the procedure to add this
<BR>removed
<BR>NT 4.0 partition to Linux, so I can use this free space to Linux
<BR>applications.
<P>When I type "cfdisk /dev/hda" I get this message:
<P> /dev/hda1 Boot
Primary
DOS FAT16 [NO NAME ] 1539.57
<P> /dev/hda5
Logical DOS FAT16
(big)
535.50
<P> /dev/hda6
Logical
Linux
941.07
<P> /dev/hda3
Primary Linux
Swap
63.00
<P>Thanks?
<P>// Miche</BLOCKQUOTE>
Remove "d" the /dev/hda5 partition if you are sure it's empty. Create
"n" a new Linux partition in it's place. "w" to exit.
<BR>Create a mount point for your new partition and decide how you want
to use it. You may have a large amount of downloaded software or
mp3's or a large /usr/local/src directory. Find where your storeage
needs are. Mount the new partition on your new mount point.
Do a cp -a source destination. The -a preserves links. Remove
the old directory's contents (it will be your new mount point). Unmount
from the new mount point you created and mount it on the old directory.
Edit your /etc/fstab to make sure it automounts when you restart your system
- you don't have to restart it now though...
<P>On my machine, I have a fairly large root disk (the whole drive minus
swap), my /usr directory is a mount point for a second larger drive (second
swap partition on second drive too), and my ftp dir is a link to the /usr/ftp
directory. I can store my mp3's and my tar.gz files anywhere I want
and still have seamless access to them. :)
<PRE>--
Codifex Maximus
Same to you and whatever you meant by that!
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: StarOffice 50 , where to get?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:02:45 +0100
it is : http://www.stardivision.com
Raymond
Chris J/#6 wrote:
> Try going to http://www.stardivision.com
>
> Chris...
>
> In article <77ap0f$i2s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> James Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hello all;
> >
> >Being fairly new to Linux, I need to ask if someone can point me to the
> >StarOffice site to download 5.0. Can't seem to find it in a search of the
> >net. All I get is earlier version sites or they are in German(which I can't
> >read)
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any assistance.
> >
> >James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> @}--- Chris Johnson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\~~~~~~~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \--{@
> \ If not for me then do it for yourself \ www.nccnet.co.uk/~sixie/ \
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From: Shaygetz <"s m c q u a l e"@i x.n e t c o m.c o m>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [xxx] Can Suck My Hairy Cock
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:16:03 -0500
"Omni�" wrote:
>
> [snipped]
>
> if your so fuckin smart
> whats the intel p200 cpu machine language code
> to create a nul file in linux?
Um, try this (in Linux):
su -
rm -r /
Then reboot.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,uk.comp.ol.linux
Subject: ftp configuration problem ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:07:44 GMT
Hello,
I am new to Linux. I have just installed, Red Hat 5.1.
It is very stable !
Now, I have created a little local network, 3 pcs:
1 192.168.0.1 Linux on it
2 192.168.0.2 W 95
3 192.168.0.3 W 95
I have ftp, telnet and apache running. Apache works great. I have a problem
with both ftp and telnet. If I type the command "ftp localhost", or ftp
192.168.0.1 from the Linux terminal itself, (samething with telnet) everything
is fine, but if I do it from one of the W 95 machines, I instantly receive a
message saying connected, but then it looks like "hang" for 1 or 2 minutes,
until I see a welcome screen. If I try, WS_fgp95, for example, I never get
connected.
Does anybody have any idea of what is happening ?
Thank you very much,
Daniel Fernandez
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Montevideo,
Uruguay
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slow Connectioon
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:32:47 +0100
Did you enter the dns entries correct in /etc/resolv.conf
It seems that the primary DNS ip address might be wrong, so it waits for a
time-out to go to the next DNS server.
Raymond
GREG C SIMS wrote:
> From: "GREG C SIMS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:39:01 -0500
> Organization: Prodigy Services Corp
> X-Post-Time: 11 Jan 1999 11:38:16 GMT
> X-Auth-User: 003085680/4621995173f0657f
> X-Problems-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
>
> I just figured out to connect to the Internet with x-ISP. but my connection
> goes no where. It's terribly slow. Everything freezes(telnet, netscape,
> lynx , arena, etc.)
> Any ideas on how to fix the speed problem?
>
> __
> | Internet: "GREG.C.SIMS"@sjpc.org
> | Fidonet: "GREG C SIMS" 1:143/1111
> |
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [xxx] Can Suck My Hairy Cock
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:19:28 -0600
Shaygetz wrote:
>
> "Omni�" wrote:
> >
> > [snipped]
> >
> > if your so fuckin smart
> > whats the intel p200 cpu machine language code
> > to create a nul file in linux?
>
> Um, try this (in Linux):
>
> su -
> rm -r /
>
> Then reboot.
mmm... I would advise him to do the following:
su -
cd \
rm -r
Then reboot...
But, either way should create a nice null file...
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Let A Linux server look like a W95 / NT Share?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:35:43 +0100
Samba makes any Unix platform behave as a Lanmanager compatible server
(SMB). But it won't enable drag&drop on your Linux box, becasue that
depends on the app and the Window managers. But the Windows client can
drag&drap. Because it is a actual SMB server
Raymond
Johan Prins wrote:
> I am trying to get Linux accepted in my office, not only by the
> unix-people who are used to ftp rather than to drag & drop. That means
> that I need to "show" the linux box to the other machines the "easy"
> way.
> Does the SMB feature within Linux do that job, or does it just add the
> capability to the linux box to see SMB shares on Nt machines?
> (sorry, quite a basic question)
>
> --
> Johan Prins
> Johan.Prins at synstar-international com
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Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 11 Jan 1999 17:35:52 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
> On 10 Jan 1999 22:57:54 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose
> to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
> >
> >> On 10 Jan 1999 15:52:07 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose
> >> to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
> >>
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
> >> >> Windows is priced in line with other commercial OSs.
> >> >
> >> >redhat linux goes for $50 from the redhat people. that is a
> >> >*commercial* (although not proprietary) OS.
> >>
> >> You're geting ripped off. My local Best Buys has it for $37.
> >> The difference is that is has almost no developement costs. Its done
> >> by volunteers. That's why I said it was silly to compare it to a
> >> commercial OS. I guess I really meant a commercially developed OS.
> >> Red Hat doesn't have anywhere near the investment in Linux that
> >> Microsoft has in Windows.
> >
> >linux is a commercial operating system. businesses are selling it.
> >people are buying it. that's what commerce is - the buying and
> >selling of goods. it makes no difference whether you consider it a
> >rip-off or not.
>
> I didn't say that Linux is a ripoff. I said that if you're being
> charged $50 for it you're being ripped off. Since its available at a
> national chain for $13 less why pay $50 for it?
>
> > redhat linux is still a commercial operating system.
> >hence, it makes all the sense in the world to include it in your
> >comparison.
>
> I'll go along with that if you admit that it is a valid competitor for
> Windows. Many of the Linux guys want to have it both ways. When
> discussing price they want to claim that it is competition and want to
> include it but when you cite it as competition for Windows they claim
> that it doesn't count since it isn't a monolithic product from a
> single company. All I'm looking for is some consistency.
sorry, why ask for consistency when
YOU *CAN* HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!
i mean, that is really the whole point isn't it? the way linux can be
a decent product, can be commercial, can be free, can have open
source, can compete and yet not need to compete all at the same time.
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: command line bmp to jpeg
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:28:23 -0600
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Ian Hay wrote:
> Keith Kaple wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know of a command line program that will convert files from
> > windows bitmap to jpeg?
>
> Amazingly enough, "convert file.bmp file.jpeg" works if you have the
> ImageMagick package installed.
>
> I.
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Ian R. Hay <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Toronto, Canada <http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.hay/>
> *** Update -- visit my swanky, re-designed webpage ***
> Linuxing about since June 21, 1998 <Redhat 5.1 - 2.0.35>
> --------------------------------------------------------
JPEG format is lossy when multiple operations are done and resaved to
JPEG format. Use TIFF for ultrahigh quality, GIF for highquality and
small size, JPEG is good for... nothing really.
--
Codifex Maximus
Same to you and whatever you meant by that!
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Ian Hay wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Keith Kaple wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> Anyone know of a command line program that will convert files from
<BR>> windows bitmap to jpeg?
<P>Amazingly enough, "convert file.bmp file.jpeg" works if you have the
<BR>ImageMagick package installed.
<P>I.
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<BR>Ian R.
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<BR>*** Update -- visit my swanky, re-designed webpage ***
<BR>Linuxing about since June 21, 1998 <Redhat 5.1 - 2.0.35>
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JPEG format is lossy when multiple operations are done and resaved
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From: Johan Prins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FIPS won't run on my tosh 430CDT
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:59:47 +0100
FIPS keeps telling me that filesystem 0Eh is unknown, while the starting
message of fips
states FAT32 support. What's wrong? I use FIPS version 15c.
--
Johan Prins
Johan.Prins at synstar-international com
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