Linux-Misc Digest #572, Volume #21 Sat, 28 Aug 99 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Best language for graphical apps? (Spike!)
Re: Oops, Need some repair help (Spike!)
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ (Spike!)
Re: Upgrading to gtk+-1.2.3-2 (Spike!)
Re: Dumb ? diff between Hedwig and Venus ("Steven K. Iinuma")
Re: making linux go away ("Tristan Jones")
Re: Can Linux read NTFS? (Spike!)
Re: How to uninstall package compiled by source code? (Spike!)
Re: help (Spike!)
Re: Linux `Chat' Program (Chris Mahmood)
Re: USR modem won't use COM 2 (Chris Mahmood)
Re: why not C++? (Spike!)
enlightenment a mem hog? (Gaiko Kyofusho)
ETHERNET .- (Jorge Dominguez)
dual boot win 98 (Jeff Audette)
RH E-Commerce Server and suexec. (Joe Laffey)
Re: Kernel Panic: and I Panic too. ("Gabriel")
file directory out on a limb (jlo)
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Best language for graphical apps?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:40:56 +0100
Alex Flinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sure, python's treatment of white-space sucks, but perl, well... in
>> perl, it's the *non-white-space* that sucks.
>>
>> [I find it quite sad that an otherwise nice language like python has
>> such a huge festering blemish. What *was* the author thinking?!?]
>>
> I believe the author was thinking about code readability. Python was also
> partially developed as a "teaching" language, one with which to learn the
> basics of programming. In that sense the idea of significant whitespace
> makes a lot of sense.
Oh dear... I've not looked too deeply into Python yet, but this is beginning
to sound like the main problem with Occam...
(We had to do an assignment in that hideous "language" last year...)
In Occam, processes (procedures, functions, etc) are white space dependent.
What's wrong with brackets I'll never know, but adding a new process often
involved indenting and outdenting large portions of your already written
code....
The person who thought THAT was a good idea deserves to be shot through the
lungs...
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oops, Need some repair help
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:45:41 +0100
Jeanette Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did run fsck it found no errors. However I have to manually mount the
> partitions now. I am stuck in single user mode. No PPP, No Sound, No good.
> I don't think there is any damage but I don't know what to do to get this
> thing back to normal. Can anyone provide help? etc/fstab looks the same as
> always. This system was functioning perfectly before the crash?
What command (exactly) did you type when you ran fsck?
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:49:40 +0100
Allin Cottrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The OS -- GNU/Linux -- is doing neither of these things. What's
> crashing is an immature and over-hyped "desktop environment", namely
> Gnome. Just scrap Gnome and use a sensible window manager for X
> (e.g. fvwm) and you'll never see this nonsense.
Well, he didn't say he was using xdm and x login...
If it'd been the console that was logging him out, (which was what I was
thinking).....
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading to gtk+-1.2.3-2
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:05:39 +0100
Andrew Commons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> This may be a dumb question, but...
> Has anyone upgraded from gtk+-1.0.6-3 (and glib, from the RedHat 5.2
> distribution) to gtk+-1.2.3-2 (and glib) using the rpm files sourced via
> the gtk web site and still had everything (such as GIMP) working
> afterwards?
Nah. I upgraded to gtk-1.2.1 from 1.0.4 a while back, but I downloaded the
sources, compiled them myself, and installed them in a directory away from
the standard libraries so they wouldn't interfere and break my Gimp.
> I forced the upgrade using rpm, then manually rebuilt symbolic links to
> make GIMP happy only to be eventually confronted with an undefined
> symbol from GIMP, gtk_accelerator_table_set_mod_mask, at which point
> I reverted to the RedHat 5.2 versions.
Best bet? Do what I did, and only tell newer applications that require
gtk-1.2.x where to look.
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the environment variable for that, of course.
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From: "Steven K. Iinuma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dumb ? diff between Hedwig and Venus
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:08:05 -0700
The difference I noticed between the stock kernels of R.H 6.0 (2.2.5-15)
and Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-19) was that on the Mandrake 6.0 kernel I found
out that I couldn't use the mount -t vfat command to gain access to my
FAT 32 partition. I removed Mandrake 6.0 since I found out that I
couldn't access my FAT 32 partition. Other than that they basically are
the same.
Mandrake 6.0 comes with a more updated version of kernel 2.2.x, KDE,
GNOME, etc...it even comes with features like CD-R utilities unlike th
Red Hat 6.0.
Chris Campbell wrote:
>
> Hi,
> What's the difference between Red Hat 6.0 (Hedwig) and Mandrake 6.0
> (Venus)?
> Are Hedwig and Venus two different kernels?
> TIA,
> Chris
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From: "Tristan Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:41:28 +0800
i found that the easiest way to get "linux to go away" is to dig up a copy
of red hat, start the install and use disk druid to delete partitions. then
use a dos boot disk (or a win95/98 one) and type:
fdisk /mbr
lilo will be removed and your disk(s) completely empty.
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can Linux read NTFS?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:58:17 +0100
T.P Harte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am running Red Hat 6.0 under Windows NT 4.0 and I would like to
> do most of my work in Linux.
> Is it possible for Linux to read NTFS? I have tried to
> mount the NT partition on my disk but Linux doesn't
> recognise it.
I think at the moment, NTFS is an experimental Read Only option in kernel
compilation.
> Am I doing the wrong thing by attempting to mount? Are there any
> hacks/workarounds out there?
Recompile your kernel with the NTFS option.
Or define a disk partition to be FAT32 and put linux/NT shared files on
that. (I take it NT can read/write FAT32????)
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to uninstall package compiled by source code?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:37:45 +0100
Y.C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi:
> I have a question, what's the best way to unistall package compiled
> by source code?
Most (well, a lot of) source packages that use make;make install also have a
make uninstall option.
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:46:31 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm just about to change into linux, but I have one question.
> Would be possible to use programs like NetMeeting from Microsoft?
> And other programs windows base like Net2phone or pc2phone kind of
> programs.
> Will buy these two books "Linux Encyclopedia with CDROM"and "Linux the
> complete reference with cdrom".
> From those book will be able to get the system.
> But I'm open to any other idea about where to get the program,
The only way to run windows programs from within Linux is via a virtual
machine/emulator (such as VMWare( or by using WINE (which attempts to
duplicate the windows API... It's still in developement and doesn't cover
everything.
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| Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf |
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|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+ w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e++ h/h+ !r!| Space for hire |
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux `Chat' Program
Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:20:18 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow) writes:
> On 25 Aug 1999 17:16:13 -0700,
> Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Well, there is "talk" its on all unix systems.
>
> talk only allows two people to talk at a time.
use ytalk then. not all versions of 'talk' are compatible between
unixes, but if you run into problems you can always install GNU talk
(or ytalk) on all of the machines.
-ckm
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USR modem won't use COM 2
Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:25:54 -0700
"Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Could someone explain why this modem refuses to install on COM 2, IRQ 3 like
> it's supposed to?????
Internal modems don't go "on" serial ports, they replace them. You'll
need to move your current ttyS1 to ttyS3. Then the modem will be
ttyS1.
-ckm
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From: Spike! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: why not C++?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:21:30 +0100
Tristan Wibberley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> BTW, has anyone read Stroustrup's paper where he suggests overloading
>> the whitespace operator? It's quite an elegant idea, for example
>> mathematicians would be able to write:
>>
>> v = a x + b y + c z;
>>
>> instead of the usual:
>>
>> v = a * x + b * y + c * z;
> Aren't we getting close the realms of forth now?
Doesn't look like it... Remember, in forth, all the values are push onto the
stack and only popped off when evaluated, so the above would be more like
z c * b y * a x * + + .
The '.' popping Top Of Stack and printing it to screen.
(can't remember the syntax for stuffing the TOS into a variable... I haven't
dabbled in forth for years)
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| Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+ w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e++ h/h+ !r!| Space for hire |
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From: Gaiko Kyofusho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: enlightenment a mem hog?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:08:13 GMT
Hi, i just tried out enlightenment and it is beautiful, matter a fact it
is hand down the best looking wm i have seen but i have a question or
two. I use graphics programs (gimp xpaint povray etc) quite a bit and
before i had no problems when i used a kde/fvwm combination but now i am
using enlightemnet (with out kde or gnome) and when i start up thigns
like gimp my mem gets sucked into some sort of black hole! is this
something where i need to get more mem (i guess i need to anyway running
with 64) or is there some tweaking i can do? the only tweaking i have
done is getting rid of the unnessesary deamons but thats it.
thanks for any help you might be able to give.
-Gaiko
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From: Jorge Dominguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: ETHERNET .-
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:30:59 GMT
Hi all :
I've installed in my notebook a nic ethernet 3Com Megahertz 10/100 and i
don't know which is the correct driver for linux red hat 6.0 .-
Can you help me ?
TIA
Jorge Dominguez
Corrientes-Argentina
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From: Jeff Audette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: dual boot win 98
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:40:50 -0700
I have my pc configured with win98 on hda1 and redhat6 on hdb1.
Can anyone give me some help on how i can boot the system to have a menu
come up with a choice to boot windows or linux. with a time out of 15
secs or so to automatically boot windows?
Thanks
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From: Joe Laffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH E-Commerce Server and suexec.
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:23:12 -0500
I have the RH E-commerce server set up on RH 6.0
The suexec that comes with it has a path that I don't like and other
restrictions compiled in. I replaced it with a recompiled suexec from
apache 1.3.6 (upon which the e-commerce server is based).
Do we think this is ok?
Is the a newgroup for RH questions like this? If so I apologize for
posting here. PLease set me straight.
Thanks,
Joe Laffey
LAFFEY Computer Imaging
St. Louis, MO
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From: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel Panic: and I Panic too.
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:41:41 -0400 (EDT)
On 28 Aug 99 08:17:11 GMT, W.G. Unruh wrote:
>"Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>Trying to cure that, I used a rescue disc to boot, mounted
>>my
>>root partition ( which seems completely OK) and changed all
>
>>instances of sda6 to sda7 in etc/fstab , etc/lilo.conf and
( that was a typo in the post, actually I changed sda7 to
sda6)
>>etc/mtab
>>( the last one is probably superfluous--so be it.)
>
>Then while still booted with your rescue disk, you need to run lilo and
>tell it to use the altered lilo.conf. So when you had the rescue disk
>booted, the sd6 partition mounted say as /rescue, you run
>/sbin/lilo -C /rescue/etc/lilo.conf
more trials and defeats:
through the rescue disk I booted directly to my root
partition ( /dev/sda6).
went ok, finaly saw my standard installation.
then I did lilo -C /etc/lilo.conf.
tried to boot -- got error 0x01
rebooted through the rescue disk and found out that I
forgot to update the boot= in lilo.conf.
so I changed boot=/dev/sda6 to dev/sda5 (my boot
partition).
try boot -- got LI (which means something about secondary
loading being stuck ?!)
rebooted from rescue, "rdev " shows " /dev/sda6 / " which
is correct.
but "rdev /boot/vmlinuz" (the proper kernel on sda5) shows
the old and wrong /dev/sda7.
so I run "rdev /boot/vmlinuz /dev/sda6".
now "rdev /boot/vmlinuz" shows correctly "Root Device
/dev/sda6".
but the boot still get stack in LI.
I reboot from rescue and rerun lilo as before.
still stuck at LI.
What should I do.
====================
Gabriel
Thanks for reading and replying
=======================================================
Gabriel
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From: jlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: file directory out on a limb
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:15:41 -0600
Hi all,
I've got what I hope is a simple problem.
Whenever I'm logged in as root user and start up any program which
displays the file directory, ie midnight commander, the "top" of the
directory tree is /etc/sysconfig NOT /root.
I don't like this and don't understand or remember what I could've done
to mess things up. Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
thanks jullian
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