Linux-Misc Digest #589, Volume #18               Tue, 12 Jan 99 22:13:08 EST

Contents:
  Re: make zImage => goes wrong , make dep clean => goes alright (Mooneer Salem)
  Keyboard leds and status in X (Ulf Bohman)
  Re: Kernel 2.2.0 and Gnome..anyone know how long? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
  Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case ("Netnerd")
  Re: * and dot files ("Michael P. Reilly")
  g++ (Samuel Bridgeland)
  Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (Chris Lee)
  Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (brian moore)
  Re: Observations and reservations over BeOS compared to Linux (David Kirkpatrick)
  Re: new to Linux administration, need help... ("Bobby D. Bryant")
  Re: RedHat 5.1 and Debian 2.0 sharing /usr ? ("David Z. Maze")
  Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Larry)
  Re: Anti-other-guys-os FUD (was: Anti-Linux FUD) (Thomas R. Stevenson)
  Re: ATAPI CD-R Woes
  Re: Linux, Unix or Unix alike? ("J�rgen Exner")
  Re: who giving me seg fault. (Paul Wickham)
  Re: Re: Let A Linux server look like a W95 / NT Share? (Robert Heller)
  * and dot files (Pascal Rigaux)

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From: Mooneer Salem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: make zImage => goes wrong , make dep clean => goes alright
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:43:34 -0800

Onion Ok wrote:
> 
> I don't think this error has anything to do with the kernel
> being unstable. When I do "make dep clean" , It goes alright. But when I
> do "make zImage" , after about 15 minutes it gives errors about
> "checksum.o" , it says: "already configured" and then it stops and there
> is no zImage file.
> 

1. Try doing
   make dep; make clean
   instead of make dep clean

2. If it doesn't work, go to linuxhq.com and check to make sure you have
the proper versions of certain programs.

--
Mooneer Salem
Webmaster & Administrator for HyperNetMsg
(http://hpernetmsg.hypermart.net/)


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From: Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Keyboard leds and status in X
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:23:11 +0100

Hi there!

Wanted: NumLock on as default at all times (especially in X).

What I have: NumLock on booting to runlevel 3, toggles to off when
entering runlevel 5, then back to on when exiting X (back in runlevel
3).

I've got a script containing "setleds" that claims to do the trick but
when fiddling with setleds in an xterm it does not actually change the
status of NumLock so I haven't had the guts to implement it in the
/etc/rc.d structure. If I make a new, say S75numlock script in
/etc/rc.d/rc.5, do I have to make a stop script for it too? Or is it
better to place it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local?

"setleds -L +num <tty1" gets the LED on but not the actual status,
though "setleds <tty1" reports both default and current flags as on.
"setleds -D +num <tty1" does not change anything.

Might xset be the clue? To me xset -led # only controls the LED's

What am I doing wrong?

/Tex


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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.0 and Gnome..anyone know how long?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:37:35 -0600

Rob wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Ive been a bit busy latly with work and all that so have not been able
> to keep track of latest developments.  Does anyone know how long its
> going to be before kernel 2.2.0 or Gnome reaches final?
>
> ps . Does anyone know hwere I can get a feature list of kernel 2.2
> enhancements over 2.0?
>

I don't follow the kernel stuff, but GNOME has been rolled up to 0.99 in
preparation for the 1.0 release, and rumor holds that 1.* will ship with
the next Red Hat release, sometime within the next few months.

Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas


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From: "Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:07:51 -0500
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux

The curtain is coming down on a feeble case presented by the government, a
federal government agency and state attorney-generals, certain of them, who
have decided to do the bidding of competitors of Microsoft, competitors who
have been largely unsuccessful in competing on the merits of their
technology in the marketplace. In its rush to judgment, the government has
failed to stop and learn about the benefits to customers, consumers of the
innovation and the low prices that Microsoft has championed and made reality
in the PC software marketplace today.

You heard just this morning the government's summary witness, their leading
expert acknowledge under oath that he has not detected any harm to consumers
because of any of Microsoft's activities of which he is aware. The evidence
of the government's own case, even before we have begun to present our
evidence, shows clearly that there is considerable benefit to consumers from
the innovation and low prices that is a hallmark of Microsoft's business
model.

What Mr. Fisher has been saying for the last several days is that he
believes, as a paid expert for the government, that there may come a day
when Microsoft may be in a position to perhaps consider doing something
which might, in some circumstances, create some measure of harm to some
consumers in this country of ours. That, ladies and gentlemen, is raw
speculation. This is supposed to be fact-based litigation. And the
government hasn't begun to meet the burden of coming forward and making a
case that there is anything that Microsoft has done which constitutes a
violation of the anti-trust laws of this country in a way which has harmed
consumers. On the contrary, the evidentiary record shows that Microsoft's
activities have helped consumers. That's the business we're in.

The tying case is dead on arrival, probably wouldn't have even been pled by
the government if they were aware of what the court of appeals said in June
when they decided to rush to file the complaint in May.

The allegation that Microsoft's deals with OEMs and ISPs and ICPs are
somehow exclusionary never got out of the starting blocks, because in order
to prove that they are exclusionary within the meaning of the anti-trust
law, the government has to prove that there has been some significant
foreclosure of the opportunity of competitors to get their technology to the
marketplace. The government is about to rest without producing any evidence
of any significant foreclosure, no attempt to measure it because they
cannot. The fact is there are lots and lots of channels by means of which
rivals can get their technology to the marketplace. Netscape's problem has
never been distribution. Netscape's problem has always been, as is the
challenge to anyone in this business, creating technology that's useful,
easy to use, that people want, and making that technology available at an
affordable price. All of the talk about Microsoft's meeting with other folks
in the industry will be fully explained by eyewitness accounts during
Microsoft's case. The government's overreliance on e-mail snippets will be
disproven by people who will be able to put that e-mail in the proper
context.

All of you understand facts and truth. What you've been subjected to in the
government's case in terms of those e-mails is just isolated examples of
language which they think helps them. That's not the basis on which the
United States government can hope to prevail in an anti-trust case.

Finally, we are looking forward with great enthusiasm to putting our
witnesses on the stand. You've seen the first example of the kind of
testimony you're going to get from Microsoft's witnesses. This case is going
to change. We're going to go from speculation and snippets and rhetoric to
facts and fair analysis and sound conclusions. And we look forward to
sharing with you evidence that's reliable and that supports the conclusion
that Microsoft is doing what consumers want it to do. We're making it
possible for people to be better informed, more productive, and more
efficient in their workplace, in their homes and in areas of education. We
look forward to that and hope you'll be here to watch and hear all of it.

Thank you.






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From: "Michael P. Reilly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: * and dot files
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:04:50 GMT

In comp.unix.shell Dave Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <kqPm2.79$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
:>
:>Important!! Make sure that you do NOT include "-r" in the above command.
:>The wildcard ".*" will match "." and ".." and will delete the parent
:>directory and it's contents.

: Have you tried this?  You can't remove a directory that's "busy", i.e.,
: if it's your current directory, it's "busy".

It has been tried, yes, and it removes the directories in the parent on
some versions of UNIX.  It is a restriction of rm(1) not rmdir(2); ".."
wouldn't be the current directory.  For example on SunOS, you can
remove a directory, even if it is rm's current directory (you get
"can't stat ." for an error afterward).  It all depends on what the OS
will allow.

Read the manpages and texts.  The fact that the process has a current
directory only increments the number of links in the in-core version of
the directory's inode.  As for removing a directory that is busy, you
are on the right track with subdirectories of the root directory and of
mount points - you cannot delete a mount point (EBUSY = The directory
to be removed is the mount point for a mounted file system).

When no version of UNIX was specified, then always answer based on the
common denominator and least danger.

  -Arcege


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Samuel Bridgeland)
Subject: g++
Date: 13 Jan 1999 02:07:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Okay, last time I tried to post this it didn't get posted.

If I try to run g++ I get the following error

/usr/bin/ld: cannon open crt1.o: No such file or directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

I was wondering what this file is for and where it comes from so I can
replace it.

-- 
Samuel Bridgeland
http://members.xoom.com/SJBridgeland/


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: 13 Jan 1999 02:20:47 GMT

>In article <#zRVoioP#GA.146@upnetnews03>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...

You don't actually think that people took something posted from MSN.COM 
seriously, do you?



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: 13 Jan 1999 02:23:30 GMT

On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:07:51 -0500, 
 Netnerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Netscape's problem has always been, as is the
> challenge to anyone in this business, creating technology that's useful,

Navigator was certainly one of the most useful pieces of software of the
mid-90's.

> easy to use,

Lots of fools managed to operate it just fine.

> that people want, 

Indeed, millions of copies were bought and paid for.  People wanted
Navigator.  Many still install it over IE on Win98 systems.

> and making that technology available at an affordable price.

Oh, well, it cost more than 'free'.  But whose idea was it to sink
hundreds of millions into R&D to give away a 'free' browser?

I certainly hope MS isn't claiming what it appears to be claiming:
"Netscape's problems were caused by us using the revenues of OS sales to
rip the legs out of their market".

That's the only interpretation I see in the above.

-- 
Brian Moore                       | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
      Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker     |  a cockroach, except that the cockroach
      Usenet Vandal               |  is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
      Netscum, Bane of Elves.                 Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster

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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Observations and reservations over BeOS compared to Linux
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:32:30 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

See:
http://www.cheek.com/
Kaustav Bhattacharya wrote:
> 
> I am about to take the plung and go for Linux (redhat5.2) this week.
> I've been a long time Solaris user so I'm familiar with the 'Unix'
> environment.  Admitedly, most of my real productivity work is done on
> Win98, yes, well, enough said about that *cough* ;-)  I have been
> reading recently about BeOS 4.0.  It's merits seems very admirable.
> It's touted at a multi-media OS.  However, when I read through the list
> of rather primitive, user unfriendly command line twittery available for
> it, I wonder, what's so great about it?  So, it's multi-threaded, so,
> it's real time, so, it's so fast.  What use is that without decent
> software?  There are zero integrated and fully featured (even if you
> don't use 80% of those features) software for BeOS. I know of various
> 'attempts' of integrated or even stand alone WP/SP/DB/Pres apps for
> BeOS, but they're way off the mark compared to Win98/NT apps and even
> Linux.  This is where I get to the point of my posting.  After careful
> consideration, I came to the conclusion that even weirdness like Acorn's
> 32bit RISC OS computer systems have MORE and far better software (esp in
> terms of business critical productivity tools) on it compared to what's
> available for BeOS4.0.  And ultimately, at the end of the day, it has to
> be said that Linux blows BeOS out of the sky when it comes to software.
> I've always maintained that old adage that use whatever is best for the
> task at hand.  Sometimes it will be Win98, sometimes it will be WinNT,
> other times it will be *gasp* an Acorn, and other times it will be
> Linux. I've never found an end-all-and-be all OS with absolutely every
> conceivable piece of software to meet my needs, however, in the game of
> cat 'n mouse, when we are talking real world, full of substance and
> useful creative software, I'm sorry, but Linux flattens BeOS in any
> arguement.  Who would agree or disagree with me, and why?  I'm eager to
> hear your arguements as a newbie entrant into the Linux world.
> 
> Regards,
> Kozzey

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new to Linux administration, need help...
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:49:52 -0600

Scott Chu wrote:

> I am new to Linux administration, need help to get some answers about
> following questions:
>
> 1. what brand of 100MB network card does Linux support, which boot kernel
> file should I select (I used 3COM 3c905 and scsinet.s but can't find the
> NIC)

If you're already running Linux, click up the hardware support page at your
distribution's support site.


> 2. how to backup entire HD from Linux?

"man tar" will get you started.

If you want a specific hard drive or partition, tar the mount point (e.g.,
"tar cvMf /mnt/zip/home.tar /home" will back up a /home partition onto one or
more ZIP drives).  Of course, if the mount point is "/", you would get
everything that's mounted anywhere, including the ZIP drive...


> 3. for Win NT, what file system should I select? and how to do multiboot of
> Linux and NT using LILO?
> 4. Using Microsoft outlook to read/write mail via sendmail of Linux,
> frequently I can't use mail, (say my email is user1@....), then I found a
> file called user1 in /usr/tmp/.pop, if I delete it, the mail is back, but
> some time it will come back again, why? how to fix this problem?

Sorry, I don't do MS stuff.


Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas


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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 5.1 and Debian 2.0 sharing /usr ?
Date: 12 Jan 1999 21:42:29 -0500

horus1974  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
H> Hi, I have a limited space on my hard disk, and I'd like to run
H> both Debian and RedHat (for different reasons, but, well.. let's
H> not start a "which-is-the-best-distribution" thread)... I've used
H> both dists and they are different in many ways, and in particular
H> the /etc files. But, I'm thinking of having the same /usr for both
H> distributions, and leaving / (/etc,/bin,/sbin)
H> distribution-specific.

I doubt this will work.  Let's say for the sake of argument that you
use Debian's /usr.  You won't have rpm (unless you install the Debian
rpm package), but you will have dpkg in Red Hat.  This is a little
weird but not a major problem.  The more serious problem is that
programs have paths to their configuration files hard-coded into them; 
if Red Hat doesn't have an /etc/dosemu directory for DOSemu's
configuration files, for example, running DOSemu in "Red Hat" won't
work.  Trying to upgrade the one that doesn't have a /usr will also
break.  You'll essentially be running Debian with Red Hat's
configuration files (or vice versa), not any coherent distribution.

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|          David Maze         |     _Schroedinger's Kittens_.  Asexual
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry)
Crossposted-To:  
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Jan 1999 17:57:54 GMT

On 12 Jan 1999 14:04:15 +0100, David Kastrup 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>"Keith Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> The actions carried out by the "white man" (your words) against the
>> native Americans were attrocious. It was not America's finest
>> hour. Just accept it and move on.
>
>They are not finished.  There are still some pieces of land under
>control of American Indians where there might be valuable ores, where
>a little intimidation and a little murder here and there will do much
>to convince them to give away another few of their remaining rights
>and properties.  

You guys are a laugh. This is the most ignorant drivel I have 
seen in this NG. If there were any valuable anything in the ground 
on a reservation, the Indians would be mining it themselves.
You are making them out to be a bunch of ignorant savages, when
in reality they are some of the most shrewd business people 
around. You insult them by your assertion.

There are damned few Indians that believe in the old ways anymore.
They understand capitalism and use it to thier benefit.
In fact when I was kid growing up in Oklahoma near the reservations
it was the Indians that had the nicest cars and homes in the town 
where I lived. They recieved government payments for any land the 
government used. Such as land that Fort Sill is built on. Part of the
land is Indian land and they are payed for the use of that land, and 
the government has to sign a lease agreement with the Indians that 
the land belongs to. My girl friend was a full blood Otoe and her 
family was EXTREMELY well off.

I have friends in Oklahoma on the reservation right now and in fact
just visited them about a month ago. He is a denturist, a man who makes 
dentures. He is not bound by state laws that require a dentist to have
dentures made and he works directly with the local population when he does
business. The result is that he makes a killing because he can do the work 
cheaper because he doesn't have to go through a middle man to ply 
his trade. I save money by traveling the 7 hours to Oklahoma and getting 
my work done there. There are huge businesses on the reservations that make
a killing because they are not bound by state laws and regulations. Not to
mention gambling halls that rake in tons of money every day. Not all 
reservations have the giant casinos, but many have smaller gambling
halls where bingo, keno, horse racing, book making etc. is a thriving 
reservation owned business.   


>There are still American Indians living in hopeless
>conditions in reservations in a polluted land which cannot support
>them as in olden times.

No in olden times they had to hunt down animals and such to eat,
now they take their $100,000 paychecks from the Indian council owned 
casinos and buy groceries in thier SUV's and Mercedes and take them 
home to thier 2 story and ranch style homes.

In fact most Indian reservations now have casinos that are 
making millions for the inhabitants and the ones that don't are in the
planning stages. 
  
Most people that make these heart wrenching claims about the poor red man 
are a bunch of idiots that have no idea what they are talking about
and have never been near an indian reservation in thier lives.
In fact my friend in Oklahoma puts it down as stupid liberal
racism. He is really tired of the bleeding hearts making them out to be a
bunch of ignorant stupid savages. He believes this is the worst form of
racism.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas R. Stevenson)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Anti-other-guys-os FUD (was: Anti-Linux FUD)
Date: 12 Jan 1999 13:04:29 -0500



I just don't understand this polarization of ideas about "which OS is
the best". It's like saying "which is better, a fork or a spoon?", or
"an automatic or a stick-shift?", or "a fork, spoon, and a knife or
chop-sticks?". 

I love using chop-sticks. I've been using them for as long as I can
remember. My wife hates them (I don't ever remember seeing her use
them, but she hates them just the same). I use them around the house
more than I do forks, spoons, and knifes, or what my Wife calls
"normal" utensils. I use "normal" utensils as well when trying to use
chop-sticks is just plan silly (I'm not a fanatic), or when I just
don't feel "in the mood". When my Wife asks me why I use them, I tell
her it's fun, and she tells me I'm crazy. If I went by market share
alone, I would never use chop-sticks, but that would be simply silly.
If I thought everyone else was wrong/lazy/etc. for not using them,
that would be just as silly.

Everything has to be taken in context. For people that think eating
utensils should be usable by the messes, they might think that forks,
spoons, and a knifes are better then chop-sticks. For people that
think that challenges are what makes life fun, they might think that
chop-sticks are better then forks, spoons, and knifes. Neither group
is wrong as long as they don't try to force their opinions on anyone
else.

There isn't anything wrong it explaining why you pick the one you do,
or asking questions to try and understand why someone else picked
something different then you did. Those are all fine. But these
threads have turned into "My reasoning is better than your reasoning,
but you're just to dumb to understand that!". Even this is OK if
you're just having fun (I know it makes me laugh when I read these
threads). Just don't think your going to change anyones opinion with
all of theses extreme comments.

I wish this could turn into a real conversation on the weak/strong
points of both OSs. That could lead to important changes that could
benefit everyone. As it is now, these threads will do nothing more
than provide comic relief.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: ATAPI CD-R Woes
Date: 12 Jan 1999 14:41:59 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected]

To anyone confused by the README.ATAPI that comes with cdrecord,

I can confirm that with kernel 2.0.36, you can enable both IDE CDROM and
IDE-SCSI CDROM support in the kernel and choose the IDE-SCSI support for
your CD-R at boot time.  The easeiest way, as Bogdan Buciovshchi pointed
out, is to enter at the LILO prompt: linux hdc=ide-scsi (substituing 
"hdc" with your own CD-R device).
 
To Bogdan,

Thank you for responding to my post.  I took your advice and booted as
described above, and it worked like a charm.  



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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, Unix or Unix alike?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:50:38 -0800

Ben wrote in message ...
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben)
>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:15:21 GMT
>X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Nntp-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:15:20 EDT
>
>I had an argument with one of my teachers about this subject. Is Linux
>a Unix system or a Unix alike system? And what does it take to be
>considered + Unix system?


Unix is a copyrighted trademark and nobody cared to paid the license fee for
Linux.
Therefore formally Linux is not a Unix system.

Regarding the functionality you may argue if Linux is the better Unix.

jue
--
J�rgen Exner; microsoft.com, UID: jurgenex
Sorry for this anti-spam inconvenience





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Wickham)
Subject: Re: who giving me seg fault.
Date: 12 Jan 1999 16:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 12 Jan 1999 02:51:06 GMT, Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have two RH 5.1 machines. On one who gives me a seg fault and on the
>other it gives me "out of memory". Any clues?

I had the same problem and cured it by dl the latest sh-utils RPM for RH5.1
from Redhat updates

HTH 

Paul

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Subject: Re: Re: Let A Linux server look like a W95 / NT Share?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heller)
Date: 12 Jan 1999 11:48:51 -0500

  Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  In a message on 11 Jan 1999 13:10:51 -0800, wrote :

BN> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andy says...
BN> >
BN> >Johan Prins wrote:
BN> >> 
BN> >> I am trying to get Linux accepted in my office, not only by the
BN> >> unix-people who are used to ftp rather than to drag & drop. That means
BN> >> that I need to "show" the linux box to the other machines the "easy"
BN> >> way.
BN> >> Does the SMB feature within Linux do that job, or does it just add the
BN> >> capability to the linux box to see SMB shares on Nt machines?
BN> >> (sorry, quite a basic question)
BN> >
BN> >Samba allows your Linux box to "masquerade" as a Windows machine
BN> >on a network... I'm using it very successfully at home to share
BN> >my Linux partition out to my NT laptop, etc.. From the Windows
BN> >side, what you see is a "standard" Windows networked machine, and
BN> >you can connect to the shares and so on as you would normally.
BN> 
BN> I have a question on this.  I've got Samba (smb.conf) set up to share everything
BN> I want to share with the Win95 box attached via ethernet to my Linux box.  On
BN> the Win95 side, what do I do to get to it?  Do I go to a DOS prompt and type
BN> "net use \\192.168.xxx.xxx\c k:" or something like that?

Assuming you have the workgroup set up properly on both the Linux box
(early in smb.conf is a line like

Workgroup = somegroup

) and on the Win95 box (Network control panel somewhere), then all you
need to do is double click the "Network Neiborhood" icon and find your
linux box listed there.  Double click on that and select the share you
want.  And there you are.  If things are not "read-only / guest", you
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From: Pascal Rigaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: * and dot files
Date: 12 Jan 1999 17:59:18 +0100

I've looking around for a while for the best solution to get all the files, even
the dot files. 

For eg: rm -rf /tmp/* to clean the tmp
But it misses the dot files.

Ok i know i could use find to do that example, but i want something more
general.

I usually use rm /tmp/.[a-zA-Z]*   but it's hard to type and it's not nice.


The best i found so far is an alias so that : "all rm -rf /tmp/*" do the job.
The problem is that it works only on csh, and i prefer using bash :(

The trick is that with the csh's aliases, the * is not expanded before aliases
are called. It doesn't seem to be the case in bash :-?


So my two questions :

1) How do you do all the work that need to take care of the dot files ?

2) Do you have any idea to do the same thing as the csh alias in bash ?



Here is the "all" alias :

> alias all 'glob_All "\!*"'

with glob_All a perl script :

> sub r { 
>     opendir DIR, $_[0] or die "can't open directory $_[0]"; 
>     grep { $_ ne '.' && $_ ne '..' } readdir DIR; 
> }
> 
> foreach (split " ", shift) { 
>     push @l, (/^(.*)\*$/ ? r($1 || '.') : $_);
> } 
> 
> exec @l;

(there is also the problem of . and .. that's resolved here)


Thanks, Pixel.

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