Linux-Misc Digest #616, Volume #18 Thu, 14 Jan 99 20:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("Joshua Schaeffer")
Can one set up RAID with IDE drives? (David S Spear)
Re: editing lilo.conf and making the change stick (Chris)
Re: What happened to blackdown.org (Java-Linux porting project?) (MikeP)
tool for inserting a user into a group (Habib Jalili)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Ambassador KosH)
Re: Sound problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux (Michael Powe)
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (Thomas Womack)
Re: 60 % OFF Retail on Quality Watches - [blah blah blah] (Shaygetz)
hard drive space (Chris)
Re: tool for inserting a user into a group ("David Z. Maze")
Re: redhat 5.2 server make risky partition (Eric Miller)
Re: Which is the best Linux Distribution? (Brian Newman)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Brian Newman)
Re: What does the command who | sort+4 do? (Brian Newman)
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From: "Joshua Schaeffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:50:19 -0500
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
>Case in point: the Beta vs. VHS war back in the late 70s (or whenever
>it was). For quite a while, consumers could choose. Technically
>informed people knew that Beta was a superior format and chose that.
>But VHS started to gain a decisive edge in market share (through
>effective marketing) and it snowballed from there. At one point in my
>life, I had to choose between buying into a superior technology which
>was clearly on its way out or one for which there was actual
>commercial support, in the form of a wide selection of rental videos,
>etc. Guess which one I (grudgingly) chose? So did everyone else. End
>of story.
I don't remember living through the Beta vs. VHS war, so that makes me a
know-nothing as far understanding why one is better than the other. So
could you explain to me why I read somewhere that VHS could store longer
durations of footage than the Beta, thus jumpstarting the booming rental
video business to begin with?
And what made Beta so superior? Not one living soul have I heard back this
up with specific reasons.
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From: David S Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Can one set up RAID with IDE drives?
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:48:12 -0800
I've got two 6Gb drives and would like to mirror them using RAID1. Does
anyone know if there are IDE RAID controllers out there and if so who
makes them? I am running RedHat5.2
thanks
dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris)
Subject: Re: editing lilo.conf and making the change stick
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:52:40 GMT
That's what I was looking for...I couldn't find "lilo" anywhere for
the life of me...sorry I wasn't clearer on my q. thanks Adrian!
Chris
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:20:18 -0500, Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>There's a command "lilo" or "/sbin/lilo" that writes out the boot loader
>to the boot sector. By default, it reads /etc/lilo.conf to create a
>boot loader, so you have to run "lilo" after editing lilo.conf to make
>the changes take effect.
>
>-Adrian
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From: MikeP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.help
Subject: Re: What happened to blackdown.org (Java-Linux porting project?)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:49:58 +0000
Stefan Zeiger wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Teichert) wrote:
>
> > >I tried to access that URL when I first read in this group that
> > >it's not available anymore. I could not access it. I just tried
> > >it again and it still is not available.
> >
> > I checked it right now and it's OK.
>
> > a traceroute:
>
> > A nslookup:
>
> Nobody said that the domain was no longer registered or that the
> server didn't answer, but the old *content* is gone.
>
> --
> Stefan Zeiger <szeiger{at}usa.net> ICQ#27864587 http://szeiger.home.pages.de
> NetForge Web Server for the Java Platform: http://www.novocode.com/prod/nf/
I think he wanted you to compare a traceroute or nslookup to his and see
if there is a mix-up. In any case, I also get 208.24.141.88 as the IP.
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Mike
"What, me worry?" -A.Newman-
Error: REALITY.SYS corrupted! Reboot Universe <Y/n>
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From: Habib Jalili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: tool for inserting a user into a group
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:35:39 +0100
Hi,
i'm looking for a command line tool which add a user to a group (i.e
addusertogroup <user> <group>)
(Please a mail to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Thanks
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From: Ambassador KosH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:13:12 -0800
who gives a rat's ass what the public thinks? the majority of the people polled
(not necessarily the general public) think clinton shouldn't be removed from
office, but he still commited crimes that would get the average joe around 5-15
years or more in jail under federal law. Just because part or most of the
public likes the person on trial doesn't mean that the law should overlook the
issue because they are popular.
Netnerd wrote:
> The latest consumer poll shows that 81 percent of consumers think Microsoft
> has been good for consumers, and 52 percent think the case was brought to
> help Microsoft's rivals.
>
> The poll also shows that 76 percent of consumers think U.S. District Judge
> Thomas Penfield Jackson should find Microsoft not guilty of violating the
> Sherman Antitrust Act when the trial concludes sometime in the next two or
> three months.
>
> The consumer has spoken, but will this affect Penfield Jackson�s rulings?
> Of course not, a biased and angry Penfield will rule against Microsoft on
> every count and impose the most severe penalty he believes possible. But
> not to worry, there is a contingency plan in place regardless the DOJ trial
> and appeals outcome. Long live Microsoft.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sound problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:44:25 GMT
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:10:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I am running RH5.2
>
>I am having a problem with an audio hum or buzz coming through my
>speakers. This happens when I move the mouse on its pad or drag
>windows arround on the desktop.
>
>I also notice noise from the keyboard, for instance when a key is held
>down to repeat, the buzzzz or hummmmmmmmm will be there untill the
>key is released.
>
This sounds not like a linux software problem. Are you sure the noise
comes from the speakers ? Maybe you have a vibrating device standing
on your desk, that responds to your activities ? I have a halogen lamp
that also hummmmms sometimes.
If the noise comes out of the speaker (switch it off for test) there
may be a ground loop in your cables. Is the sound card connected to
some other devices like a stereo amplifier ?
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux
Date: 13 Jan 1999 22:48:45 -0800
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>>>>> "Alexander" == Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alexander> In article
Alexander> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, JeffOf
Alexander> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'd like to tell you about an unhappy experience with Earthlink
>> Network that is relevant to Linux users. My service was
>> cancelled today without warning and with little explanation
>> after I installed Red Hat 5.2. I am brand new to Linux and
>> attempted only to get my mail program to work. Earthlink
>> accused me of trying to "probe" their services and basically
>> talked to me as if I were a criminal. Their explanation of my
>> "offense" was highly technical and unenlightening to a computer
>> non-professional.
Alexander> OK. So you admit that you were (a) were connected to
Alexander> the net (not a local one), (b) tried to do something
Alexander> affecting said net, (c) didn't understand what you were
Alexander> doing and what effect it might give, (d) didn't figure
Alexander> out what is considered OK *prior to* experimenting, (e)
Alexander> didn't know enough to make sense of explanations on
Alexander> *which* results of your actions were *NOT* considered
Alexander> OK.
>> Of course they didn't reconsider their decision. They said of
>> my explanation, "well that's your version."
Alexander> (f) essentially told that you've used a program from
Alexander> <distribution> and said program in your hands did what
Alexander> it did.
Alexander> Let's see. (b) and (c) and (d) => you are ready to
Alexander> experiment without a second thought about the effects
Alexander> it may cause, even in the situation when you simply
Alexander> don't know what can happen. Right? That along with (e)
Alexander> means that even if you will restrain from actions you
Alexander> *know* to cause bad results it willn't affect your
Alexander> actions for quite a few days/weeks (until you'll gain
Alexander> such knowledge). OK, that's how everybody learn and
Alexander> it's not bad by itself.
Alexander> BUT. You felt possible to learn *not* on the local
Alexander> net. It's quite easy to wreak a havoc on the net
Alexander> experimenting with it. *Without* any evil intents.
What local net? I have one computer and you're telling me that I
should not have tried to figure out how to get my mail programs
working until I already knew how to get them to work? I don't think
so -- you make no sense. Sorry, I don't know what the guy did to get
them p.o.'ed but I think it's worse than ridiculous to tell new users
that they can't try to figure out how to configure sendmail,
fetchmail, pppd and pine until they've taken a college course in unix
system administration.
I guess in addition you expect that users should not use unix at home
until they can afford to have two computers networked together. Don't
try to make a link to the internet until you've already mastered
TCP/IP networking at home. Don't try to get and receive mail until
you've finished reading the Sendmail book.
Nope, to me that's just a bunch of BS. I installed linux so I could
learn about "unix" -- and that's exactly what I did. And I did it by
doing. I didn't go to college first so I'd "know enough" to be
"permitted" to use it. Whatever the guy did, it's 50-50 whether it
was really something completely terrible. I don't assume that the
people working at Earthlink are all that smart. For all I know,
they're running NT.
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#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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From: Thomas Womack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: 14 Jan 1999 23:08:22 GMT
In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
: "Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: > The curtain is coming down on a feeble case presented by the
: > government, a federal government agency and state attorney-generals,
: > certain of them, who have decided to do the bidding of competitors
: > of Microsoft, competitors who have been largely unsuccessful in
: > competing on the merits of their technology in the marketplace.
: "Merits of technology?" Let me get this straight. First Microsoft
: offers Internet Explorer with a similar pricing as Netscape. Nobody
: wants it. Then they offer it gratis while Netscape still costs
: money. Nobody wants it. Then they deliver it with their operating
: system unasked. Still many people install Netscape over it. Then
: they tie it into their operating system in a way which makes it pretty
: hard to remove it.
I think you're being a little unfair here, in that you're forgetting
that Microsoft simultaneously spent *lots* of money bringing IE from
IE 1.0 and IE 2.0, which were reinforced disasters on wheels, via IE 3
which was pretty decent, to the really quite good IE4 and IE5.
Internet Explorer is certainly one of the packages I miss when running
Linux.
The idea of having a web browser strongly integrated with the filer is
a good one - kfm gets quite a lot of milage out of it. OK, in an ideal
world this is implemented at the filesystem level, but, if that's not
practical, having a filer/browser combination seems sensible.
Microsoft, of course, have caused an awful lot of confusion by using
the words 'operating system' interchangably to mean 'kernel', 'window
manager', 'filer' and 'distribution'.
Tom
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From: Shaygetz <"s m c q u a l e"@i x.n e t c o m.c o m>
Subject: Re: 60 % OFF Retail on Quality Watches - [blah blah blah]
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:32:51 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> <snip> ... watches ... <snip>
where is the .rpm located? I can't find any at Sunsite.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris)
Subject: hard drive space
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:31:15 GMT
Simple question...how do I get the partition info (i.e. how much free
space do I have) in Linux? RedHat 5.1...thanks!
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tool for inserting a user into a group
Date: 14 Jan 1999 19:30:02 -0500
Habib Jalili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
HJ> i'm looking for a command line tool which add a user to a group (i.e
HJ> addusertogroup <user> <group>)
On Debian, adduser(8) will do this. See the man page.
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From: Eric Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: redhat 5.2 server make risky partition
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:56:35 -0800
Mark L wrote:
>
> I installed redhat 5.2 and choosed sever and not custom. It installed
> with many default setting. After installation, I found it placed root
> partition on the bottom which is beyond 1024 cyclinder of my scsi hd.
> And also I got a warning message when I run fdisk. What I know is we
> need to place root partition within 1024 cyclinder for scsi hd and 512
> cyclinder for ide hd. Is linux no need to care about this anymore
> because the latest kernel or something was made to improve already?
>
> Also, they made a /boot in the seperated partition and placed at the
> first part. I was usually let it with / partition. Is there any purpose
> to do it?
>
> Any information is appreciated,
> mark @ chevalier.net
That sounds right to me. /boot has enough to get the system running, and
it loads in the rest from /root.
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From: Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which is the best Linux Distribution?
Date: 14 Jan 1999 15:53:56 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Frank says...
>
>Stewart McDonald wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I want to learn Linux and can't decide which Distribution to get.
>
>This is a hard question to answer. I personally had to try SuSE, Debian,
>RedHat, Slackware, before I decided I wanted to stick with RedHat.
>
>They all have there pro's and con's. Go to www.cheapbytes.com and get
>there bundle that includes all the major distro's. I think I saw it once
>for about $13. That is chump change and you'll have alot to try for
>little money and then you can make the determination on your own.
Linux Mall also has (or had) a set of like 10 distributions for $10 or less.
http://www.linuxmall.com
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Shade and sweet water,
Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.aracnet.com/~bnewman
"A small bullet, a piece of glass /
And your heart just grows around it" -- Laurie Anderson, "Poison"
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From: Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 14 Jan 1999 15:59:32 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>I can't believe we're forgetting one of the greatest Intel operating systems of
>all time:
>
>TRSDOS!!!!!
The TRS-80 (original, at least, and Type III, dunno about the Type II) was based
on the Zilog Z-80 CPU. The TRS-80 CoCo (Color Computer) was based on the
Motorola 65C02, an updated 6502.
I was there, damnit! :)
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Shade and sweet water,
Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.aracnet.com/~bnewman
"A small bullet, a piece of glass /
And your heart just grows around it" -- Laurie Anderson, "Poison"
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From: Brian Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does the command who | sort+4 do?
Date: 14 Jan 1999 16:03:36 -0800
In article <77lklk$nph$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dan says...
>
>Rachel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Hi - What does the command who | sort+4 do?
>
>First of all trying using man. ie "man who" to find out what "who"
>does. The | takes the output from that and pipes it to the input of
>sort. "sort+4" isn't actually a command you forgot a space. Try "man
>sort" to find out what it does.
I don't want to encourage people *not* to use "man", but I don't want to
discourage newbies, being a journeyman newbie myself. :)
"who" shows you who is logged in, "|" (pipe) pipes the output of that command to
the next one, "sort" sorts whatever was input to it, "+4" indicates to sort at
the 4th character position... or is it the 4th from the left (0), which would be
the fifth?
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Shade and sweet water,
Brian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.aracnet.com/~bnewman
"A small bullet, a piece of glass /
And your heart just grows around it" -- Laurie Anderson, "Poison"
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