Linux-Misc Digest #641, Volume #18 Sat, 16 Jan 99 14:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: HELP - I need recommendation on Screen Saver ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: xdm? graphical login? (menon mohan)
Re: Quicken for Linux (Charles E. Taylor)
Help with printer woes (Linus VanPelt)
WinDriver supports Linux!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Should I install Linux on my new computer? (Alex Butcher)
Re: Linux on Dell insp. 7000 (Remy Indebetouw)
Re: Why exactly is linux better than Windows? (Victor Wagner)
Re: * and dot files (Pascal Rigaux)
Cut and Paste hotkeys ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (John Morris)
Re: When I'm online, my hard drive makes noise... ("Charles Stack")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HELP - I need recommendation on Screen Saver
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:16:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Can you tell me how you did that under Linux? My home machine never blanks
> > except when sitting at the login prompt, but my work machine blanks after 5
> > minutes of no keyboard/mouse, even if a screen saver is running at the time.
> > I can't find a way to change the behavior of either of these boxes.
>
> Depending on which X server you run, it may work to put
>
> Option "power_saver"
>
> in the Screen section of /etc/X11/XF86Config. Some servers don't
> support this. Some don't even support the normal X screen blanking.
> --
> David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
> UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
>
But this happens even when X isn't running at all. It's happening at a lower
level than X. Thanks for that information, though.. it will help once I solve
the deeper problem.
Bob
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Bob Trevithick
Company:Qmail
User:rft
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From: menon mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xdm? graphical login?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:02:31 -0600
Change line 18 in /etc/inittab to id:5:initdefault:
reboot
If you want the xscreensaver to work add these lines to
/etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0
/usr/bin/X11/xhost +(your.machine.name)
/usr/bin/X11/xscreensaver -timeout 1 -cycle 1 &
Mohan Menon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles E. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Quicken for Linux
Date: 15 Jan 1999 15:23:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Koss) writes:
> Is there a Linux app that can read/write Quicken files?
There's Gnomoney/xacc that's supposed to be able to read Quicken
files, but it couldn't handle mine.
Another option is to just run Quicken under Linux (using an "emulator'
like wine or WABI) if you have an Intel box. I use Quicken 8 with
WABI on my home x86 box and it runs quite well. Quicken also has
been reported to work with wine.
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From: Linus VanPelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat
Subject: Help with printer woes
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:35:30 -0500
I am currently Running Redhat 5.1 has anyone successfully gotten
an HP DeskJet 712C to work with their system?
I have one attached to mine through the parallel port, and even though
printtool thinks it sees a printer and configures one on /dev/lp1,
nothing ever prints. I have also been unsuccessful catting text to
that port. Any
help would be appreciated!!!
linus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: WinDriver supports Linux!!
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:32:47 GMT
KRFTech announces the Linux version of its popular WinDriver device driver
development toolkit. The beta version is available for free download at
http://www.krftech.com/windrv
WinDriver for Linux includes a generic kernel driver which allows you to
create your driver in the user mode, making the development and debugging
process much simpler.
Using WinDriver, the same driver you write will run on Linux and on all
Windows platforms as well.
The WinDriver toolkit includes sample source code which can be used as
skeletal code for your driver. Also included is the WinDriver Wizard which
enables you to diagnose your hardware through a graphical interface. After
diagnosing your hardware, the Wizard will generate the driver code and
hardware access application for you.
WinDriver supports ISA, EISA, PCI, Plug-and-Play, and DMA with special
chip-set support for the PLX 9050/9060/9080, AMCC and V3 PCI bridge chip
sets: .
For a free 30 day evaluation download and for more information, please visit
our website at http://www.krftech.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:50:46 GMT
In article <77hckh$uki$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <76tk66$gf4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Bill Gates is the Ultimate Businessman. Period, you cannot argue that
> point(well, maybe you can point out some other businessmen who were better.)
> Anyone who makes in the billions by selling Windows to the world like he did
> cannot be beaten in business. Windows is the ultimate in commercial
Bill's business skills are way overblown as is the supposed marketing genius
of Microsoft. The vast majority of MS success is due to the deal they cut in
1980 with IBM and later with the clone makers which caused DOS to be
preloaded on just about every PC made. They then simply leveraged this
advantage to include Windows and Office. What MS product that hasn't come
bundled on a PC has ever been a success (in terms of revenue)? Where is SQL
Server relative to Oracle? If MS wins the DOJ case however, I bet Back Office
will soon be bundled with NT Server and then will be very successful.
> Now then Bill Gates came away from Harvard with infinitely more business
> sense than computer sense, as nothing he's written has been original or even
> better than average, and nothing his company has written has improved over
> the previous versions. (Who found Dos 3.2 difficult to configure? Yeah
> there were the Memory limitations, but it wasn't difficult to configure new
> hardware, or new software, unless you had Memory hog Software, which ten
> years ago was what, 512k?) And yet he's managed to sell SHIT for ten years
> straight, and lead the Market doing it. As I said, the man is a Genius.
Supports my point. It's poorly designed, unoriginal software but since it
comes preinstalled on the computer and you pay for it no matter what, may as
well use it. Right?
> Now...Windows blows, we all know it(I have a split-partition so I can play
> games, and not much else with Windows). Windows leads the market, we all know
> that too. Deal with it, Windows will only be 'king' as long as there is a
> market for it, once people stop spending money on it, Windows will
> crash(Well..Windows crashing is a given, but I mean in a Business Market.)
> Windows can be stopped when people stop buying it.
>
> Linux However, cannot be stopped in normal business terms. Redhat? Yes.
> SUSE? Yes. Other commercial versions? Yes. But Linux itself isn't
> commercial, and cannot be crushed by an inferior commercial product, or a
> company that relies 100% on the sale of its products to survive. So, how can
> Microsoft possibly make Linux fight for survival?
By playing hardball with vendors to prevent them from offering it
preinstalled. Once the major companies begin shipping preinstalled Linux
machines to the home/corporate desktop market it's over for MS (assuming a
relatively idiot proof desktop manager is included).
> Linux cannot win out over all, though, and this is where MS comes in.(It's
> either MS or Apple, folks..or maybe OS/2, but OS/2 takes a little bit of
> thought and effort to install and use). MS shovels shit to the lowest common
> denomonator. The Folks that sent their first E-mail through AOL, and think
> they were soooo Cyberpunk, the folks that had trouble when their 'coffee cup
> holder' couldn't support the weight of their coffee mug, or people who think
> that a Virus is going to be GUI and announce itself before it hits them, or
> the people who buy the latest and greatest and fastest computers, most
> expensive so that their kids can do 'homework' using that great Grolier
> Multimedia Encyclopedia, (which had what..maybe 1k of actual information per
> topic, and millions of wasted k on grainy pictures and half-second sound
> bites? God, I'm glad I didn't pay for that disk).
>
> Linux will never be popular among most computer users
>
> because thanks to MS, 90% of computer users are people who should never have
> been allowed to buy them in the first place. Thanks to Bill Gates' Business
> Saavvy(SP?), he will always have a market with them by playing 'hey, we're
> normal people doing this' and feelgood commercials set to Rolling Stones
> music.
>
> Start that paragraph over...Linux cannot win out as the premiere OS, because
> it requires a bit of thought and effort to use it. Linux is where DOS was
> before Windows 3.0 came out(Socially speaking, that is) it's still for the
> 'geeks'. It is beyond the Common User.
>
> Let it stay there. Let Windows have their market...in reality, Linux doesn't
> even begin to threaten it, because 90% of MS users would die if they couldn't
> install and configure it with a mouse, and call a toll number and be put on
> hold for several hours while the MS Tech support guy looks up the answer to a
> yes-or-no question. If Linux ever did win out as the Common Man's OS, how
> bad do you think it would have become? Each version of Windows was
dumbed
> down from the last, do you really want Linux to be dumbed down enough to beat
> any version of MS Windows?
Linux can give you the flexibility to dumb it down or not. Windows is one
size fits all. Except for the new Datacenter Edition which is clearly going
to wipe out the Mainframe/High End Unix market ;-).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Butcher)
Subject: Re: Should I install Linux on my new computer?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:21:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 5 Jan 1999 22:27:35 GMT, Ted Unnikumaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am about to purchase my first computer, and I am not sure as to what
>operating system I should install. For the most part I am new to
>computers so I would like some help.
Well, with that in mind, Linux isn't going to be that easy to install. But
hey, neither will Windows if you have to do it yourself. Yes, most suppliers
will pre-load Windows, but there are some who do the same for linux.
> I really don't play a lot of
>computer games and plan on using my computer to learn more about
>programming and to use the internet.
Linux fits that profile pretty well. Windows generally prevents you from
learning more than you absolutely must.
>This is what I know
>The reason I hear Linux is better is that
>1. It is free
>2. I would be on a similar environment as most of my school projects
>3. With windows i won't be able to afford a lot of software available and
>with linux most of the software is either free or cheap.
>4. I want to practice developing a database before my database class and
>I have heard it is easier to do so using linux.
>5. It crashes a lot less
All sound reasons.
>The only reason I would want to put Windows 98 or Windows Nt on my
>computer is because I really don't know that much about Windows and this
>would force me to learn it so it would help me get a real job after I
>graduate.
I can relate to that. I had no Windows experience until after graduation. I
got a job as a PC tech at my home University and that gave me all the
experience I needed within 19 months. You've plenty of time.
Also, don't discount UNIX jobs as not being "real jobs"! :)
> additionally at my present job. I program using visual
>basic and I am going to start programming using visual c++, and would like
>to start using visual j++,
To be honest, my feeling is that you're better off learning the standard
dialects of these languages (e.g. ANSI C++ and Sunsoft Java) then learning
the proprietary extensions later. You'll be much better equipped to understand
when those extensions are useful and when they're pointless.
> and windows would allow me to work at home
>Also I want to use the new quicken 99 to help me manage my family's
>finances and as far as I know they don't have a version for linux.
Correct, although I believe that GNU money and cbb are coming along.
>Is it possible to use those programs with linux?
Wine or WABI may enable you to do this, but I haven't tried those particular
apps.
> If not is there a way to
>have both linux and windows on my computer because I think I remember
>seeing some program that allows you to do that.
Absolutely. Just have a look at the Linux Installation HOWTO. I have both
Windows 95 and Linux on my machine though I generally only use Windows for
the setup/initial testing of new hardware and for playing games.
I think that probablys tells you all it's good for. :)
>anyways, sorry it was soo long, and hopefully you all can help me.
>
>Thanks
>Ted
Best Regards,
Alex.
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From: Remy Indebetouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on Dell insp. 7000
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:55:42 -0700
Matt Bettencourt wrote:
> I am looking at the following laptop and I was wondering if anyone has
> one similar to this and is running linux. 4K$ for this system (with
i just put slackware 3.6 on my I7k. the ATI Rage LT chip needs a
patched Mach64
X server (see http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/), which works
like a
charm with the 15" screen and Xfree86 3.3.2 (I think XFree86 3.3.3 has
improved
support for the ATI chips, too)
most (not quite all) ethernet/modem pcmcia cards work with pcmcia-cs
(ftp://hyper.stanford.edu/pub/pcmcia/) including my 3Com 10/100BT
> modem/lan card (PCMCIA slots in gerenal). I assume that the DVD is just
actually I haven't heard good news about the DVD (my straight CDROM
works fine)
but someone may have it working by now
bottom line: I'm very happy with the thing; I do some programming, some
science/image procesing
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Crossposted-To: tw.bbs.comp.linux,alt.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why exactly is linux better than Windows?
Date: 12 Jan 1999 22:57:05 +0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Would someone explain to me exactly what makes Linux so much better than
: Windows. I don't know much about Linux, but I always hear that it's so much
: better than Windows without any explanation. It seems to me that no one ever
: has specific reasons why, other than they simply like Linux better. Could
: someone maybe hold my hand and give my clear, concise reasons why? Thanks.
In the very-very long thread of answers nobody have mentioned one
wonderful thing - Linux (and any Unix for that reason) is OS, designed
to communicate with user by words, not by pointing a finger.
Pointing a finger is an ape action, and using words requires a human.
But once you are a human, it is much easier to explain things in
language, than by pointing finger.
Another piece of Unix phylosiphy is "Think first, do then", when Windows
works in the stimul-reaction style of videogame - it presents you a
dialog box, and you have to choose one from two-three answers without
knowing what it would affect later. (At least Windows is marketed so it
doesn't require you to know it). On Linux, you should in contrary, first
read some doc to understand syntax (and it will probably help you to
understand how thing works at all), then write a command or config file.
Then you can double check it before putting to work. And if something
goes wrong, you can recall failed command from history, or open config
file again, and start from where it failed, not from very beginning.
I agree that there are a lot of people that don't like to manipulate
words. Happily, I'm not one of them. There are even more people who are
pretty good with words, but don't like to consider computer worth
communicating with. These people are pretty happy with Windows, until it
crashes. These people would never make good Linux sysadmin, and never
want to. But, as mere users, they may be much happier with Linux, than
with Windows, _if_ there is some guy around, who will tune system up to
their preferences, and if things go wrong, he could be called by phone
and login to the computer remotely to fix things. With Windows it is
practically impossible - to few things to tune and no standard way of
remote access.
If you one of these people (and I think they are quite respectable),
I'll suggest you to move to Linux only if there is someone around who
will play sysadmin for you. If you don't mind learning, and can enjoy
words play, go Linux. Soon you'll find it much more user friendly than
any other system.
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From: Pascal Rigaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: * and dot files
Date: 12 Jan 1999 18:49:26 +0100
I have to precise one or two things.
The purpose is not to clear the tmp!!!!
I know a lot of ways to do that thing.
The problem i have is, in general, how to take care of the dot files in the same
way you would do with the normal files.
I mean, you know how to do things with *, why not have a way to do the same with
no exception.
(i know one solution in bash would be to use GLOBIGNORE. But i don't want to
have it set by default)
Pixel.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cut and Paste hotkeys ?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:22:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can I, like in Windows, use hotkeys like Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V for cut and
paste ? How can I setup these keys ?
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Answers please in this newsgroup!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Morris)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:15:23 GMT
>Some of them were, yes. Concurrent CP/M, PC-MOS and Xenix were
>all multitasking/multiuser. DR-DOS was very similar to MS-DOS
>but with a lot of usability enhancements
What's intriguing is what they could do with such
MINIMAL hardware back then!!
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From: "Charles Stack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: When I'm online, my hard drive makes noise...
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:34:58 -0500
How much memory do you have? Sounds like you are doing a lot of swapping.
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