Linux-Misc Digest #647, Volume #18               Sat, 16 Jan 99 23:13:08 EST

Contents:
  Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly? 
(Gary Momarison)
  Re: The Runlevel (Ulf Bohman)
  Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Johan Kullstam)
  I want my network card back ! (yongteck)
  Re: Fonts still microscopic on Netscape ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux (Patrick O'Neil)
  Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux (John Hasler)
  Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (David Steuber)
  Re: Getting an ICQ Client Under Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly? 
(David Steuber)
  xdm? graphical login? (Cameron Fraser)
  Re: unknown monitor specs (E)
  Re: unknown monitor specs (Bill Unruh)
  Anyone using D3? (Eric Wyles)
  Rebbot remote server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Anyone working on a Gimp-like sound app? (Gregory Propf)
  Re: Getting an ICQ Client Under Linux (Frank Hale)
  Re: How to connect X-terminal? (Victor Wagner)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Scanport 2036 scanner-shows not connected!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: disable PnP? (Ian Briggs)
  Re: My partition choice (Alastair)
  How do I install Linux on a HD with existing dos extended drives? 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: SpreadSheets ("John E. Garrott")

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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND 
idiot-friendly?
Date: 15 Jan 1999 15:48:33 -0800

"Ian Payne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> My job involves supporting several hundred desktop users who are NOT rocket
> scientists. Some of them need desktop shortcuts to their applications, the
> Start menu frightens them. Some of them still insist on File Manager because
> "Explorer is too confusing".
[snip]
> So until Linux can accomdated that kind of user, as well as power users,
> it's going to have a hard time becoming the dominant desktop OS.

If a company's computer users are that ignorant, they should not have
general purpose computer OSes put in front of them. The OS should be
customized so the users can easily do the relatively small set of things
that they need to do. This costomization is something that is much 
easier in Linux than proprietary OSes, from simply configuring a
window manager to rewriting one to support the needed tasks.

Note that this kind of thing would be better done if the kernel people
ever get around to creating a better permissions scheme.

Anyway, the ease-of-use issue will soon be addressed.  The most important
thing that is needed to advance Linux as a desktop OS is the developement
and popularization of good multiple-OS software developement systems,
so that application writers can port programs written for M$ to Linux
cheaply enough to make money off the effort. When more good apps are
available, users will run from M$ with great pleasure.

-- 
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html

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From: Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Runlevel
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:59:17 +0100



root wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:42:31 +0100, Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> So what are these runlevels? Can anybody explain?
> >> Thanks,
> >> izraelita
> >>
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> >
> >It depends on what distribution you use...What do you use?
> >
>
> For me it is RedHat 5.1
> may you answer the question also for me

OK, this is what I have for RedHat:

0: Halt (Used when system is shut down)
1: Single User Mode (Sys Admin)
2: MultiUser without NFS (Same as level 3 if you don't have a network)
3: Full MultUser Mode (Usally default boot level)
4: Not Used
5: X11 (Starts GUI)
6: Reboot

/Tex (Same as Ulf)



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Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 Jan 1999 21:15:59 -0500

Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Alan Boyd <Spamless> wrote:
> > No, it never had them in the first place.  DOS 1 could only read the A:
> > drive, it didn't even have hard disk support nor did it have
> > directories.  It grew from there but did it slowly.  IIRC, DOS 1.1
> Wasn't it DOS 1.05 ?
> 
> > supported directories and DOS 2 was the first to support the hard
> > drive.  Networking came as an add-on from Novell around DOS 3. 
> The support for bigger hard disks than 32MB came with 4.0, if I
> recall right. And the partitioning support too.
> 
> Somewhere (Tech HELP?) I read that the 4.0 wasn't even produced by
> Microsoft, but IBM because Microsoft didn't want to develop
> the 3.3 any further. They must have thought that by the third release
> everything is ready. Yet another interesting fact: the
> DOS defines standard io streams stdaux and stdprn that refer
> to the serial device (this time it was generally a mouse) and to
> the printer. Which multitasking os, or an os that could
> eventually go multitasking, did such things?

not only that, but there was (during ms-dos 2 and 3) an undocumented
int 21h call that would set the switch character and the
magic-filename prefix.

if you set the switch char to anything but `/' (like, e.g., `-') then
directories would be separated by *forward* slashes `/'.  if you chase
the int 21h file open with a good debugger like soft-ice, you could
watch as ms-dos converted backslashes into forwardslashes and *then*
proceeded to break the path into its parts.

also you could with the same int 21h call set dos up to prefix the
magic filenames `con' `aux' `prn' `nul' &c with `/dev/' (or `\dev\'
depending on switch char).  thus you would pipe output to /dev/prn to
send it to the printer.

ms-dos 3.33 was the last decent operating microsoft ever produced
imho.  it wasn't much but then again it didn't promise much either.
(although you needed 4dos to replace that worthless command.com to get
a half-way usable shell.)

-- 
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (yongteck)
Subject: I want my network card back !
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:12:41 GMT

Hi all,
I'm running Red Hat 5.0 and learning Linux. I've always have my
16-bit-ISA ne2000 compatilble card working fine. Last week i've
installed the SB16 module (the sound is fine) But i've lost my network
card. Ive diabled the sound card but at boot up i'm having 
 "Delaying eth0 initialiazation.."
What and where should i change to initialise the ne2000 card again.
Thanks

Kim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fonts still microscopic on Netscape
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:19:41 GMT

In article <77hdi5$vet$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have SuSE 5.3 and Netscape 4.5.  I couldn't compile xfstt myself (didn't
> want to behave) so I got a binary from a friend.  It worked fine.  I
> installed a bunch of ttf fonts and ran xfstt from .xinitrc and it works.
> Netscape recognized all the new fonts I put into the correct directories, and
> they work. All the fonts *look* fine, BUT, they are super tiny!  So I changed
> .xinitrc to run xfstt --res 96.  No change at all.  I haven't tried starting
> X with -dpi ***, yet though.

That's odd. It looks fine on my display. Try setting Netscape's default fonts
to Times New Roman and Courier New. Otherwise, it might still be using the
postscript fonts as default. Some pages will still be squintfests depending
on the HTML code. ZDnet is like that.

> My screen is 1152 x 864 on a 17" monitor.  I would think that wouldn't bee too
> much of a deal...

On a 17" you should run 1024x768 or less unless you want to go blind.

s

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From: Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:34:58 -0700

On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Bev wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Larry writes:
> > > The problem here is more along the lines of: I was trying to get gas in
> > > the car and when I switched on the gas pump a short in it caused the pump
> > > to explode. I was accused of crossing the wires that caused the short by
> > > sticking the nozzle in the tank.
> > 
> > Better analogy: In the process of figuring out how to work the ATM at your
> > new bank you accidently put your card in upside down.  They accuse you of
> > trying to sabotage the machine and close your account.
[...]
> I find it completely believable that some jerk would accuse somebody of
> criminal intent who is merely funbling around in the dark. 

Besides the fact that scanning ports is NOT illegal.  It is what you do
with the info from scanned ports that MIGHT be illegal - like gaining
unauthorized access to the computer.

I rather enjoy port scanning and tinkering...nothing illegal in my actions
at all, however.

patrick


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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:28:13 GMT

Brian Moore writes:
> It is tricky to get around sendmail's loop detection, but it is certainly
> doable and users seem to figure it out accidentally all the time.

Ok.  How does a dialup dynamic-ip user who receives his mail via POP and is
not allowed a shell account do it?
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 16 Jan 1999 19:00:02 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi) writes:

->      The $600 premium on an iMac might actually be worth it.
->      It's too bad the MacVocates don't have the faith in their 
->      own platform of choice to actually say that...

If I wasn't saving up to build a Linux cluster (Beowolf style, but
fewer nodes), I would actually buy an iMac to try it out.  Sure, the
machins is a bit over priced for the hardware, but I would take it
over paying Bill Gates one penny ever again.

-- 
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Getting an ICQ Client Under Linux
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:19:15 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Mooneer Salem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > I couldn't get the rpm to install:
> >
> > failed dependencies:
> >         libjpeg.so.62 is needed by licq-0.50-alpha-1-1
> >
> > I tried installing libjpeg-6b-2.i386.rpm but it didn't fix the problem.
> >
>
> Try getting the source instead of the RPM (the source's newer).
> Then go to the directory where you put the source and type:
>
> tar xvzf licq-0.50-alpha-3.tar.gz
> cd licq-0.50-alpha-3
> ./configure
> make
> make install

So, I took your suggestions of getting the source, and it installed okay but
when I try and run it:

licq: error in loading shared libraries
libstdc++.so.2.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

<sigh>
This shouldn't be so hard...

-Jordan Reed

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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND 
idiot-friendly?
Date: 16 Jan 1999 19:25:28 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin) writes:

-> I guess my point is, what is the goal of users of the Linux platform, anyway?

My personal goal is to learn how to program drivers, applications, and 
X applications for Linux.  I also want to be able to maintain my own
computing environment without reliance on Microsoft.

I also want to advocate the use of Linux to others and get the
operating system into mainstream use.  First as a replacement to NT,
then as a replacement to Windows 9X.  The reason for that is to make
the desktop a competitive environment again that is not controled by
one company, but rather by the end users.

I am a rebel with a cause.

-- 
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http://www.david-steuber.com
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From: Cameron Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xdm? graphical login?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:01:35 -0500

hey,my question is how can i have it so that even when i log out my xwindows is
still running? so it would be similar to the screensaver password screen...

redhat 5.1
kernel 2.0.35 for i586
 
kamrin

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From: E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: unknown monitor specs
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:30:49 -0800

thanks.  and how about the horizontal frequency?

Vittadini Strumentazione - WEBMASTER wrote:

> E wrote:
>
> > I have an old 486 computer with monitor.  i no longer have the manual
> > for the monitor.  all i know is that it is a VGA/SVGA monitor.  (not
> > even sure about SVGA part).  i believe the model is a Sceptre CM6.  are
> > there some safe values i can use when i configure X for the monitor?
> > thanks for any help.
> >
> > E
>
> Stay conservative....
>
> Figure out 60 Hz vertical refresh and 800x600 at 256 colors...
>
> Giovanni M. Vittadini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: unknown monitor specs
Date: 17 Jan 1999 02:46:31 GMT

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Vittadini Strumentazione - WEBMASTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>E wrote:

>> I have an old 486 computer with monitor.  i no longer have the manual
>> for the monitor.  all i know is that it is a VGA/SVGA monitor.  (not
>> even sure about SVGA part).  i believe the model is a Sceptre CM6.  are
>> there some safe values i can use when i configure X for the monitor?
>> thanks for any help.
>>
>> E

>Stay conservative....

>Figure out 60 Hz vertical refresh and 800x600 at 256 colors...

That is not conservative. Use 640 x 400 at 8 bits (256 colours) which is the standard 
VGA. Not
sure what the standard VGA vertical rate was.

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From: Eric Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Anyone using D3?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:04:28 -0600

Hey there, anyone running D3 on linux?  Most of you guys probably have
never heard of it, but surely there are some PICK programmers around
here.  If not, it's the newest thing out by pick systems
(www.picksys.com) since AP-Pro.  Anyway, we are currently running AP and
we are going to upgrade all of our clients and ourselves to D3 soon and
I was wanting to get some opinions and hear some personal experiences.

Thanks,
Eric Wyles


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Rebbot remote server
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:36:44 GMT

I am fairly new to linux, and i have a simple question.  I telnet to
my Linux server and SU to root but when I try running "reboot" or
"shutdpwn" it says command not found.  Is there anyway, to fix this ??

GS

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From: Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Anyone working on a Gimp-like sound app?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:23:04 GMT

I have looked in vain for a good sound editor for linux.  Some of them
are at least stable but all are fairly limited and non-modular in
design.  I was wondering if anyone was working on a Gimp type sound
system for Linux?  Something where you could create sound effects as
plug-ins (hopefully NOT using scheme as the extension language).

-- 
 
            -- homepage: http://members.home.net/gregp/ --

"I wanted plutonium, not Beanie Babies..." 
          - Sadaam Hussein, in a letter to Santa Claus.

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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting an ICQ Client Under Linux
Date: 17 Jan 1999 03:06:10 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   Mooneer Salem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > I couldn't get the rpm to install:
> > >
> > > failed dependencies:
> > >         libjpeg.so.62 is needed by licq-0.50-alpha-1-1
> > >
> > > I tried installing libjpeg-6b-2.i386.rpm but it didn't fix the problem.
> > >
> >
> > Try getting the source instead of the RPM (the source's newer).
> > Then go to the directory where you put the source and type:
> >
> > tar xvzf licq-0.50-alpha-3.tar.gz
> > cd licq-0.50-alpha-3
> > ./configure
> > make
> > make install
> 
> So, I took your suggestions of getting the source, and it installed okay but
> when I try and run it:
> 
> licq: error in loading shared libraries
> libstdc++.so.2.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> <sigh>
> This shouldn't be so hard...
> 
> -Jordan Reed
> 
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> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

Do you have access to a RedHat cd? libstdc++ is right on the cd just
install it. Or download it from ftp.redhat.com.

-- 
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Email:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
ICQ:       7205161                      
Homepage:  http://members.xoom.com/frankhale/  
Jade:      http://jade.netpedia.net/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: How to connect X-terminal?
Date: 15 Jan 1999 19:33:40 +0300

Lin Yang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hello, all

: I am a new linux user. 
: Now I have a linux box (using RedHat 5.1) and a HP X-terminal. 
: I want connect the terminal to the box. After read a HOW-TO file

Typically X-terminals are connected via ethernet. 
Typically they also should be booted from network. To do so, you should
have X-server and support files for this specific terminal. 

But there are an exceptions. For instance, I own NCD ECX, which have
flash card inside it and can be booted from this flashcard.
If yours can be booted from something like flashcard, all other is
simple

1. If you already have network, your Linux box is connected to
1.  Choose IP for terminal and set it up on terminal box, if its NVRAM
  setup allows so. If not, you'll probably have to use DHCP or BOOTP
  (I reccomend DHCP, becouse DHCPD has excellent manpages, and is
  backward compatible with bootp)

2. Edit /etc/X11/xdm/ files according to man xdm in order to allow your
terminal to connect

3. Boot terminal - you should get chooser window. Select your Linux box
and login

2. If you don't have network, plug ethernet card into your Linux box
 and set it up according to Net2 howto or Network Administrator Guide
 from LDP. Then do the same as in previous 

3. If you terminal need to boot from network
1. Asquire appropriate boot files
2. Set up dhcpd so it would tell the terminal which host (your Linux box
to ask for boot image and which file to boot)
3. Enable tftp for terminal's IP  in hosts.allow
  (and deny from anything else). Enable tftp in inetd.conf
4. Create /tftpboot directory, put files there and make them
world-readable.
Now, when you switch terminal on, it should get an IP from dhcp and
begin to load image and boot it. Then configure xdm.
 
: Thanks.

: Yang Lin 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:19:00 -0500

Terry Porter wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:41:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >RedHat is interested in marketing to the non-techie. Usability issues and
> >enhancements litter their site. New versions address issues that were right
> >up my street in my early trials of it.
> They would be, if you're using Redhat?
> But Redhat is *NOT* Linux, its just a distribution and there are others, ie
> Suse, Debian etc.
>
> I have said here many times, I believe Linux preloaded, addresses most issues
> for newbies.
> While I have seen 4 people in the last 12 months install Linux (Redhat and
> Suse), they still are far behind in their understanding of Linux. There is no
> shortcut to aquiring knowledge, it must still be learnt, the old fashioned
> way.
>  One of the four has made great progress, using a el-cheapo $15 cd and
> pocketbook. The others seem stuck at the initial newbie stage after some
> months of having a operational unix pc.
>
> Many ex windoze/mac/os2, whatever folks come here and using their experience
> of the past, find fault with a os, they as yet, do not understand.
>
> *Linux* is NOT *windoze* !!!!!!!!
>
> >
> >I am not imagining the useability problems I have had.
> No Sir, I did not, and would not imply that. No one here (except scott nudds
> and the fudders) would waste our time that way.
>
> >
> >Allie
> >__
> >
> >Allie Martin (Mr.)
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >=======/*\=======
> >
>
> --
> **** To reach me, use [EMAIL PROTECTED] ****
>    My Computer is powered by GNU-LINUX, and has been
>  up 4 days 21 hours 5 minutes
> .........NOTE Spam protection in use...................

I agree, Redhat is not Linux, frankly I am disappointed.










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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Scanport 2036 scanner-shows not connected!!
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:45 GMT

Help!!  Spent about 7 or 8 hours on the phone with tech support.(Pa. To
California) this week.  My scanport 2036 is supposed to run on all
windows,including 3.1,which I have.  Tried reconnecting
cables,uninstall,reinstall,changing sysedit,also bios,but still reads not
connected.  Test screen suggests closing windows and then entering Aspiif.exe.
That worked for 24 hours but for the past 5 days,it now says "bad command or
file name" when I enter it.

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From: Ian Briggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: disable PnP?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:38:37 +0000

Robert Canright wrote:

> I got this helpful posting to my call for help:
>
> >      I had the same exact problem. That means that your eth0 configuration is
> >messed up. Did you disable the PnP on the card (using the dos disk provided)
> >before you installed linux??
> >    What you have to do is disable PnP,  get the irq and i/o for the >card, and
> >enter it manually in the diagnosis program. Then linux
> >should get along with it."
>
> I've installed Linux about 4 times so far.  I blew away everything
> that was on the machine before.  So will a "dos disk" work without
> dos?  Actually, the manual that comes with the disks say that the
> disks won't work with DOS, only with NT or Windows98, but those are
> gone now.
>
> Anyway, this tip about PnP was very useful.  On some "howto" page for
> Linux I found an explanation about how PnP Bios turns off some card
> slots at boot time so the autoprobe cannot find an ethernet card that
> is plugged into a "turned off" slot.
>
> I'm going to try moving the ethernet card to different slots and
> reinstalling Linux with the card in different slots (the installation
> hangs and leaves me with a broken computer so I have to reinstall
> Linux, the installation never completes).
>
> But if that doesn't work, how does one turn off the PnP?
> (Remember I no longer have NT or any Window9X on the machine.)
> Any hardware web pages that might help?
>
> Thanks,
>   Rob

Okay, I'm a complete amateur and I only got Linux working last November -- but... I
also had problems with a PNP card (modem), which I fixed without making any changes
to the card itself.

My understanding (please someone correct me if I've got this wrong) is that the PNP
probing by Windows when it first recognizes a PNP card has the effect of writing a
Windows-approved COM and IRQ to some chip on the PNP card. This replaces a human
fiddling with jumpers.

So all I did was reconfigure the *motherboard* BIOS, to a non-PNP-aware OS, and
then use pnpdump to find out what settings had been written by Windows to the card.

Hope this helps.

Good luck!

-- Ian --


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alastair)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My partition choice
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:33:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>I'd like to know if this will work pretty well for a personal workstation
>and if I can improve this setup in any way. Redhat 5.2, 9.1GB hard drive.
>
>So far, I am thinking about this partition setup.  I will assume that the
>real capacity is about 90% of the pre-formatted 9.1GB capacity.
>
>/swap    512  MB
>/tmp     350  MB
>/usr     4096 MB
>/var     1648 MB
>/home    1024 MB
>/        512  MB
>/proc    48   MB

Who knows? What's the machine going to be used for? How much RAM? etc.

BTW - you need a partition for the proc filesystem. It doesn't
really use any space.

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Alastair
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: How do I install Linux on a HD with existing dos extended drives?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:37:09 GMT

Hi, I decided to reinstall Linux so that I can change the size of the
partition allocated to it.  I'm using Windows on a different partition.

When I go into Linux fdisk, it lists my dos primary partition as /dev/hda1,
then /dev/hda2 is type 5 (Extended), and my logical dos partition is listed
as /dev/hda5.  When it prompts me with Partition (1-5), I enter 3, and it
doesn't let me create it, saying that it's an empty type.  What should I do? 
It thinks my dos extended partition is actually a linux extended partition or
something.

BTW, my dos system consists of one primary 400 MB partition, and one extended
dos partition (800 MB).  In that extended partition, I have one large logical
partition which spans the entire extended partition.

I'm sure others have installed Linux on a hard drive that already contains
some dos logical partitions in a dos extended partition.  I must be doing
something wrong.

Also, in dos fdisk, it doesn't let me create more than one primary partition
like I can in Linux, so the partition that is now listed as /dev/hda5 in linux
fdisk (listed above) MUST be a dos extended partition.  Do I have to change
the filesystem type of my existing dos extended/logical partitions from within
linux fdisk??

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From: "John E. Garrott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SpreadSheets
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:43:43 -0800

Mark Robinson wrote:
> 
> Are there any Spreadsheet programs out there for Linux?

There are a number of them.  Try
http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/spreadsheets.html

Good Luck,

John

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