Linux-Misc Digest #745, Volume #18 Sun, 24 Jan 99 09:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux or FreeBSD? (Alexander Viro)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Johan Kullstam)
Linux as a printer server (Dennis)
CD with latest libraries, etc??? (Sparkzz)
Re: PROPOSAL: comp.unix.year-2038 (WAS: 2038 and Linux) (Dr John Stockton)
Re: Linux as a printer server (Phil Brutsche)
Compiling Problems (Alan Fried)
Zip disk (Mark Robinson)
Re: Secuity hole with perl (suidperl) and nosuid mounts on Linux (Brian McCauley)
Re: problems with netscape and my Debian box (Jan Thomsen)
Re: Linux Friendly ISP (David Efflandt)
Re: How to have the NUMLOCK key on by default in X-Windows? (David Efflandt)
Linux Beer Hike (zentara)
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Erik Naggum)
Re: Zip disk (Eric)
Re: newbie: help with software installation - rpm (David Efflandt)
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Erik Naggum)
Re: 128 bit Netscape 4.08 built against glibc (Traveller)
Re: Using Internal PCI Modem (Rob Clark)
Trouble adding users (Rod Brick)
Re: C For Raw Beginners. (WAS: how to start programming in Linux) (Liang-Shing Ng)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD?
Date: 23 Jan 1999 11:45:47 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stephen Montgomery-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>steve mcadams wrote:
>>
>> [Snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with ">"]
>> On 22 Jan 1999 06:53:08 GMT, "Benny K.Y. Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >1. Stability, stability, stability
>> >2. Java support
[snip]
[snip 'use NT']
>Except that it does not meet requirement 1. Well, just my personal
>experience.
[snip]
D'oh. IMHO 1 and 2 contradict each other. *What* kind of stability can
be discussed wrt Java if half of applets will be executed via Netscape?
(other half will be served by IE and I don't think that it's better).
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:04:39 -0600
MYTH: The rubber soles of shoes or rubber tires on a car will protect
you from being
struck by lightning.
FACT: Rubber-soled shoes and rubber tires provide NO protection from
lightning.
However, the steel frame of a hard-topped vehicle provides
increased protection if you
are not touching metal. Although you may be injured if lightning
strikes your car, you
are much safer inside a vehicle than outside.
The car's metallic body acts as a "Faraday Cage", protecting occupants
from induced or contact amperage effects. Lighting doesn't have to hit
you to harm you. If it strikes close by you but doesn't hit you, the
voltage differential across parts of your body (inverse square law) can
create induced electric currents strong enough to do damage or to kill.
In fact, a 1 1/2 volt battery can stop the heart, without using
induction coils.
A few years ago a lady's car struck a power pole and a 7 kvw line
dropped across it. She sat in the car for several minutes while rescue
workers tried to extracate her before smoldering insulation caught the
car on fire. She panicked and grabbed the door handle. **psssst**. A
couple more minutes and the power was off.
Charles H. Chapman wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:43:01 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >pdohert wrote:
> >
> >I don't think the average american is any different than the average of
> >any other country. Perhaps, 35 years old is a bit young to be cynical,
> >but, I have seen some god damned stupid people. Let me also say,
> >stupidity does not discriminate. It hits all sex, race, creed, color,
> >and nationality. If there is one thing that is guaranteed in life is
> >dealing with stupid people. (Funny how the worst ones end up in the US
> >congress or as school teachers. Would you believe my son's 2nd grade
> >teacher actually told him he was safe in a car during a thunder storm
> >because of the rubber tires! He tried to correct her, but she said she
> >"was the teacher!")
>
> *chuckles* Well, it just goes to show that one person's "stupid" is
> another person's "well-informed". No less authorities than the
> National Weather Service:
>
> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/trwbro.htm
>
> and the American Red Cross:
>
> http://www.crossnet.org/disaster/safety/thunder.html
>
> say that cars ARE safe places to seek protection from lightning during
> a thunderstorm. Protection against floods or a tornado are another
> story though.
>
> Chuck
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Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 23 Jan 1999 12:11:43 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles H. Chapman) writes:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:43:01 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >pdohert wrote:
> >
> >I don't think the average american is any different than the average of
> >any other country. Perhaps, 35 years old is a bit young to be cynical,
> >but, I have seen some god damned stupid people. Let me also say,
> >stupidity does not discriminate. It hits all sex, race, creed, color,
> >and nationality. If there is one thing that is guaranteed in life is
> >dealing with stupid people. (Funny how the worst ones end up in the US
> >congress or as school teachers. Would you believe my son's 2nd grade
> >teacher actually told him he was safe in a car during a thunder storm
> >because of the rubber tires! He tried to correct her, but she said she
> >"was the teacher!")
>
> *chuckles* Well, it just goes to show that one person's "stupid" is
> another person's "well-informed". No less authorities than the
> National Weather Service:
>
> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/trwbro.htm
>
> and the American Red Cross:
>
> http://www.crossnet.org/disaster/safety/thunder.html
>
> say that cars ARE safe places to seek protection from lightning during
> a thunderstorm. Protection against floods or a tornado are another
> story though.
it's not that cars are not safe places to be in a thunderstorm, it's
the reason *why* they are safe.
the rubber tires have nothing to do with it. the electric arc has
already traveled hundreds of meters in order to reach your car. it
can jump the 30 cm from the undercarriage to the tarmac. insulating
tires are a red herring.
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux as a printer server
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:58:29 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm sure that Linux can be used on an existing NT network to drive
printers and plotters, but I need a pointer to information on how. Hope
someone can help. The situation we are faced with is a Windows NT
server connecting to Win95 PC's via a hub. We have some old 486
computers with limited memory and drive size (16MB and 100 MB
respecively) and no money left in the budget for more memory, larger
hard drive and Win95/98. So Linux may be a good choice as long as:
* It will work as a printer server in an NT/95 environment.
* I can use NT to check the status of the printer server and terminate
jobs that get out of hand.
* Installation and configuration are stright forwared and documented.
Note I didn't say it had to be a snap, just stright forward.
Thanks for any helpful information.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sparkzz)
Subject: CD with latest libraries, etc???
Date: 23 Jan 1999 00:29:48 GMT
Hello,
Does anyone sell a CD that already has all the libraries, binutils, gnu,,nfs,
and all the other stuff that you have to have to run Linux 2.2.x???
I don't look forward to downloading and building all the programs.
thanks,
.
.
....Ken
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From: Dr John Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.software.year-2000,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: comp.unix.year-2038 (WAS: 2038 and Linux)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:38:49 +0000
JRS: In article <787pff$7d1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> of Thu, 21 Jan 1999
11:51:32 in news:comp.software.year-2000, Bill Fahle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Bloody Viking wrote in message <78607s$mka$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Christopher B. Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>
>>Maybe it's time for comp.unix.y2k+38 to be made now.
>
>
>Don't jump the gun just yet. You can rename our newsgroup
>(comp.software.year-2000) after we're done with it next year.
Technically impossible, I believe, Bill, until the next generation of
RFDs have been generally implemented.
The thing to do is to start a comp-2038 subhierarchy, avoiding the
mistakes of the Y2k groups.
It should not be in *unix*, IMHO, for two reasons :
AFAICS, the true UNIX people have long understood the matter and what
needs to be done
UNIX library code has been taken into DOS and other environments, with
the flaw; I have a DOS ZIP or UNZIP with it.
--
John Stockton, Surrey, UK. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turnpike v4.00 MIME.
Web <URL: http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms:
Dates - miscdate.htm Year 2000 - date2000.htm Critical Dates - critdate.htm
Y2k for beginners - year2000.txt UK mini-FAQ - y2k-mfaq.txt Don't Mail News.
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From: Phil Brutsche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux as a printer server
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:08:26 -0600
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Dennis wrote:
> I'm sure that Linux can be used on an existing NT network to drive
> printers and plotters, but I need a pointer to information on how. Hope
> someone can help. The situation we are faced with is a Windows NT
> server connecting to Win95 PC's via a hub. We have some old 486
> computers with limited memory and drive size (16MB and 100 MB
> respecively) and no money left in the budget for more memory, larger
> hard drive and Win95/98. So Linux may be a good choice as long as:
>
> * It will work as a printer server in an NT/95 environment.
> * I can use NT to check the status of the printer server and terminate
> jobs that get out of hand.
> * Installation and configuration are stright forwared and documented.
> Note I didn't say it had to be a snap, just stright forward.
You're looking for Samba - it's an implementation of the LanManager
protocol (that's the 'native' protocol in WfW 3.1x, Win9x, and WinNT for
file and print sharing) that runs on OS/2, Unix-like systems (Linux and
pretty much every other up-to-date unix-like operating system), VMS, and
NetWare. I think a port to the Amiga is underway, in case you happen to
have one of those sitting around.
I'm not sure about using NT for spooler managment - you might end up
having to telnet into the linux box and running 'lprm' manually.
If you do go with Linux+Samba, I would recommend that you get the book
'Samba: Integrating UNIX and Windows' by John D. Blair - ISBN#
1-57831-006-7. It's an incredibly good book about networking with Samba,
and about SMB in general. It comes with the source on a CD, although most
Linux distributions have a more up-to-date version anyway. It also shows
you, step-by-step, how to configure Samba.
There's another option - with the new Samba 2.0, configuration is much
simpler. Once it's installed (installing 2.0 is _much_ easier than it is
to install 1.9.18), it has a web-based configuration tool called SWAT - no
editing of text files required once SWAT it set up (you need to edit
/etc/inetd.conf to install SWAT).
Feel free to email me directly if you have problems/more questions.
======================================================================
Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Microsoft: "Where do you want to to today?"
Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried)
Subject: Compiling Problems
Date: 23 Jan 1999 17:08:43 GMT
I am using Red Hat Version 5.1 and have just attempted to recompile my
kernel so that I can use the my initio 9100a card which is hooked up to
my syjet.
I went through the basics by typing make mrproper before I began
to compile.
To compile I selected the make config option and successfully
got through the process without any errors.
After this step I typed make dep and I got the following error message:
gcc - I/usr/src/linux-2.0.34/include -o2 -fomit-frane-pointer -o scripts/mkdep
scripts/mkdep.c
scripts/mkdep.c:1 stdio.h No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:2 stdlib.h No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:4 string.h No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:5 sys/types.h No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:6 sys/stat.h No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:7 unistd.h No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:8 sys/fcntl.h No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:9 sys/mman.h No such file or directory
make:*** [scripts/mkdep] Error 1
The only other things I did was to:
1)add the initio files to the usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi directory.
2) Edit the Config.in file in the /src/linux/drivers/scsi directory.
3) Edit the Makefile file in the usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi directory.
4) Edit the host.c file in the usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi directory.
5) Edit the the proc_fs.h file in the include/linux directory.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
Thanx in advance
Alan
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From: Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Zip disk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:47:35 GMT
Which Zip Disk interface should I get IDE,paralell(sp?) or SCSI? Which
will work with Linux?
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From: Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: Re: Secuity hole with perl (suidperl) and nosuid mounts on Linux
Date: 23 Jan 1999 15:29:15 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ilya Zakharevich) writes:
> But my understanding is that this will happens only on very old
> systems which do not have secure suid scripts. How did suidperl
> appear on a contemporary clone of Unix?
This is rather like saying:
My understanding is that your gods are only worshiped very old
cultures that do not know the one true God. How did a church to your
gods appear in a contemporary society?
It is an matter of opinion (or perhaps even religion) if the
user-space hack (a suid-interpreter) for supporting secure suid
scripts is considered more or less ugly than the kernel-space hack
(using /dev/fd).
Personally I think the kernel space hack is (slightly) more ugly.
It is also beyond reasonable doubt that the user-space hack is more
intuative.
It would appear that Linus agrees with me.
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From: Jan Thomsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: problems with netscape and my Debian box
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:14:07 +0100
You can fix the problem with the missing library by setting the environment
variable
LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/X11R6/lib
This is where the library in question is located (if you installed it)
However, that will not do the trick. It still crashes with a segmentation fault.
Any good ideas ?
Regards
Jan Thomsen
Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen
Denmark
Chris Stolte wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm running Debian 2.0 and am having a really difficult time getting netscape
> to run. The problem is that when I try to run the netscape executable, I get:
>
> "can't load library libXt.so.6"
>
> After searching on the net, I found someone else who had the same problem, and
> they were advised to do ldconfig. I tried this to no avail. Also, I'm sure
> that the actual library as well as the soft links are in place. Does anyone
> have a suggestion? Could it be the version of netscape that I'm using? (I
> tried two different ones...)
>
> Thank you in advance for any help,
> Chris Stolte
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Linux Friendly ISP
Date: 23 Jan 1999 17:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:38:14 -0500,
Steven Rudolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Which of the national (North America) ISPs are friendly to Linux?
>Earthlink?, Mindspring?, Worldnet? etc.
>Thanks.
Unless you have need for nationwide access, you are probably better off
finding a local ISP that runs any sort of Unix and connected to the
internet backbone with at least T3. Mine runs Solaris and has its own
unix newsgroup.
I also have a minimal CompuServe account (now owned by AOL) that gives
me worldwide ppp access. It is rather slow (500 ping), but I have had it
since before the Internet was conceived. They have a Unix forum, and most
forums have web access (with RNA auth proxy, which for Linux is a Perl
script).
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: How to have the NUMLOCK key on by default in X-Windows?
Date: 23 Jan 1999 16:48:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 22 Jan 1999 18:49:00 GMT, Stephen Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I looked everywhere for a way to do this. I finally came across a way to patch the
>kernel so that the NUMLOCK key is on by default in VC's (at the console). But as
>soon as I startx, the LED goes off. When I exit X-Windows, back to the console, it
>comes back on again!
>
>Tried using xset led ..., didn't work for me. PLEASE, somebody help me with this !!
>If this is in an FAQ somewhere, then I apologize, please direct me to it :)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve
For one way see 'man setleds':
One might use setleds in /etc/rc.d/rc.local to define the initial and
default state of NumLock, e.g. by
INITTY=/dev/tty[1-8]
for tty in $INITTY; do
setleds -D +num < $tty
done
If that does not work, try a full path to 'setleds'
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (zentara)
Subject: Linux Beer Hike
Reply-To: ""
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:46:28 GMT
I thought you might be interested in this.
Linux makes good things happen.
http://electriclichen.com/linuxbierwanderung/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 23 Jan 1999 18:54:56 +0100
Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, my point was that it was inherently *easier* to read
> capitalized sentences.
It is? Can you prove it?
> They are more readable. It is not an issue of status quo.
If people were brought up knowing no capital letters at all, it would
be rather more difficult for them to read sentences with initial
capital letters. I'm sure that there's a merit to the current state
of affairs, as language has evolved in this direction, but I doubt
that this is the *only* state of affairs which has merit.
kai
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From: Erik Naggum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 23 Jan 1999 18:09:31 +0000
* Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| I suppose I should not even address this crudely rhetorical question, but
| your resorting to insults and vulgarities just underlines how weak your
| case is.
what an amazingly unintelligent position.
| For someone who accuses other people of posting "unscientific crap", you
| hardly come across as a debate expert.
I'll give you a second chance to defend what should definitely be called
"unscientific crap" since you appear to be hypersensitive to certain
words and fail to get the message if they are present in the text:
do you know anything about taking polls that yield scentifically valid
data? have you ever studied the effects of the questions asked on the
respondents? have you ever seen the concept of "leading question"
| (Hint: Sometimes complex questions have very simple solutions. Think of
| taking an informal poll as cutting the proberbial Gordian knot).
yeah, Bill Gates did that when he wanted to prove that the "market" was
all in favor of bundling a browser with his "operating system", too. he
aske the same kind of leading questions. that, too, was unscientific
crap. and everybody thinks that getting this unscientific crap exposed
was weaking _Microsoft's_ position as well as the credibility of the
witness who had blithely reported the results of that poll and put his
scientific standing behind them.
#:Erik
--
SIGTHTBABW: a signal sent from Unix to its programmers at random
intervals to make them remember that There Has To Be A Better Way.
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From: Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zip disk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:13:28 -0700
Mark Robinson wrote:
> Which Zip Disk interface should I get IDE,paralell(sp?) or SCSI? Which
> will work with Linux?
The SCSI is the way to go for speed, but for shear simplicity it's hard to
beat the IDE model. No mucking about with cables, bi-directional this or
that, and it is dang near as fast as the SCSI models. Just install the
thing (they like to be the master if on the same ide controller with
certain cd roms, so keep that in mind) as if you were installing another
hard drive, and mount it. I had zero issues setting mine up under Linux,
hell it was a much bigger PITA when I installed it under NT!!!
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: newbie: help with software installation - rpm
Date: 23 Jan 1999 18:15:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:30:27 -0800, Fred Ramsing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I also downloaded Xfge (gnuplot for X) and that installation failed
>because of a dependency check: I was missing libqt.so.1
>
>Never heard of it, and can't find it in any of the usual places (i.e.
>sunsite.unc.edu). Does anyone know what it is and where I can find it, or
>if I even need it?
I cannot help you with kermit (never used it), but I needed 'qt' for
'licq'. I found the rpm using 'ls qt*' on the RH5.2 CD, but had to really
hunt through all those folders in glint (X rpm installer) to find it.
Might be easier to use 'rpm' command directly to install it.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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From: Erik Naggum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 23 Jan 1999 18:14:41 +0000
* Michael Carley<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| They're useful as reference points in the text; punctuation rarely stands
| out strongly enough to serve the same purpose (especially if something is
| properly, i.e. lightly, punctuated). This is especially true in printed
| text which is justified to both margins.
I fully agree for printed text with variable spacing between characters,
which is a good argument. now, since my argument for not destroying the
case properties of words is that this makes the text more searchable by
computers and more amenable to electronic processing, it would be quite
pointless to retain this argument for a printed version (except when
people print what was never intended to be printed, which has become
another reason to differentiate). hence, what is true for printed text
is quite literally a non-issue in this discussion. we're not discussing
printed text at all.
#:Erik
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SIGTHTBABW: a signal sent from Unix to its programmers at random
intervals to make them remember that There Has To Be A Better Way.
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From: Traveller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 128 bit Netscape 4.08 built against glibc
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:21:50 -0700
"Michael.Creasy" wrote:
> Believe when I see it. Yet to find a version of Netscape than can
> access http://www.michael.creasy.com without dying!!
>
I figured I try the link, while ns was doing other things and I got the page
loaded (yes quite slowly) with ns 4.5, 128 bit, but not for glibc.
- Trav
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Subject: Re: Using Internal PCI Modem
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:03:56 GMT
In article <newscache$24v06f$lvm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Robin Aly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm SuSE 6.0. I bought a new Aztech 56K Modem (PCI, Internal)
>I tried setserial with the irq of the pci-slot, but didn't work. Can anybody
>help me ?
Please check your modem against this list:
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
There are some modems that are designed to work only with Windows
software, and I believe you may have bought one.
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rod Brick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trouble adding users
Date: 23 Jan 1999 18:27:58 GMT
I can add a user okay, but whenever I try to telnet as that user, I
receive the following messages. Can anyone help me out here?
Last login: Sat Jan 23 12:26:01 from bigsky
shell-init: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot access parent
directories
job-working-directory: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot
access parent directories
job-working-directory: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot
access parent directories
job-working-directory: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot
access parent directories
job-working-directory: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot
access parent directories
job-working-directory: could not get current directory: getwd: cannot
access parent directories
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liang-Shing Ng)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: C For Raw Beginners. (WAS: how to start programming in Linux)
Date: 23 Jan 1999 18:02:40 -0000
The examples that you gave could be better accomplished using AWK.
I would suggest that if you want to be really effecient in Unix, you
should be prepared to learn script based programming like AWK and Perl.
AWK is smaller and simpler than Perl and does most string processing.
I use a combination of Shell, Awk and C day in day out for my simulation
for pattern recognition. Perl seems to be able to do everything, but I
like to be able to break things down.
C allows you to write really fast codes. For simulation application, I
usually write plain stdin and plain stdout C program. No graphical
interface whatsoever. GUI is a totally independent problem.
I see Perl's strength comes in if you want to write Socket based simple
network program. AWK does not have Socket libs, and the Socket libs in C
are too clumsy. I seldom do socket progs anyway, that's why I haven't
really picked up Perl.
The way I use these programming language is perhaps very different
from what the creator intended. But as programming language evolved
along with its libraries, some become stronger in certain area while all
are certainly general purpose to start with.
Since I mostly write programs in small parts and join them up together
using script, I never need to write large programs, which I hear C++
will advantageous because of its object oriented nature, for project
management purpose (?).
But if you just write small programs (100-400 lines), C would be the
best.
Also most mathematical simulation could and should, IMHO, broken down
into smaller parts. And that suits C best.
My philosophy in programming in Unix environment is certainly
"pluralism". Pick whatever programming language does best according for
a certain task. Then join each little task up together. Although the
solution is not so uniform, and very few "theorist" have ranted about
this practical approach compared to say "object oreinted programming", I
feel this is the most natural way to program in Unix.
LSN
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