Linux-Misc Digest #828, Volume #18 Sat, 30 Jan 99 20:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code (Jason Clifford)
newbie GCC problem (Gary Helbig)
Re: Linux 2.0.36 and Hard Drives > 8Go ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Melancon)
Re: HELP!!! (David Efflandt)
Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286 (Andrew Comech)
Re: could someone suggest a window manager for me? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286 ("Eugene")
Re: Trouble with 2.2 kernel (Shaygetz)
Re: lilo says /vmlinuz too big. Now what ??? (Ernst Gill)
smbhost not working ("Theo van der Merwe")
Re: minimizing, etc. (Ed Young)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Frank Crary)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: C or C++ compilers for LInux (David M. Cook)
Re: Ethernet vs. Mouse Probs (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: newbie GCC problem (David M. Cook)
Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286 (Mike Werner)
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:54:15 +0000
On 30 Jan 1999, Justin The Cynical wrote:
> Or would that be 'code forking'?
`forking' I thought MS did something altogether different to their code -
it does begin with a f though and is the same length and ends ing too!
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Gary Helbig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie GCC problem
Date: 31 Jan 1999 00:02:17 GMT
Hello,
I'm having a little problem with gcc (RedHat 5.2 install)
If I try to compile a program that ends in '.c', all is OK.
If I try to compile a program that ends in '.C', I get an error:
gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
I found this while trying to "configure" a Makefile for a
program I downloaded.
Any clues?
TIA,
Gary.
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Linux 2.0.36 and Hard Drives > 8Go
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:29:15 -0500
This is a problem with both fdisk and kernel 2.0.36. According to the
following HOWTO (and my own experience), setting the disk parameters
in lilo doesn't help because the kernel won't believe you if the number of
heads
is more than 16 and the cylinders more than 1024.
For purposes of actually setting up your partitions with fdisk, you can go
into the 'expert' menu and change the number of cylinders to the correct LBA
value, then return to the main menu. fdisk will now show all the cylinders
correctly in each partition. It will still give 'overlapping partition'
errors when
you ask it to 'verify' but you can see that the partitions are actually OK.
The problem appears to be partly fixed with kernel 2.2.0 but fdisk is still
flaky.
Here's the HOWTO:
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Large-Disk.html
Regards,
Charles Sullivan
Damien Ercole wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi all !
>
>I have successfully installed both Linux and Win 98 on the same Hard
>Drive...
>Everything works fine (Lilo boot and so on ..) but i still have a little
>pb with
>my hard drive ... Indeed when I load Linux, it detects the correct hard
>drive
>(IBM Deskstar) but with the wrong geometrical parameters .... It says
>1024/255/63 for CHS ... which gives me around 8Go of space .. but
>normally
>it's a 10Go with 1232 Cylinders .... I have tried to pass some
>arguments when
>booting on the Lilo prompt, like Linux Linear, or Linux
>/dev/hda=1232/255/63 ...
>but nothing works .....I have a kernel 2.0.36 .. nomally it's supposed
>to handle
>Hard Drives bigger then 8Go isn't it ? I know it's not due to my BIOS ..
>cause
>it's a recent one (98) that recognizes HD > 8Go ... so anyone as an idea
>?
>I wonder if i have to recompile the kernel with some kind of options for
>big Hard
>Drives ?
>
>here is my config :
>******************************************************************
>BIOS : primary master : 1232 Cylinders, 255 Heads, 63 Sectors, LBA
>mode
>LINUX :
>Type | Dev | Cylinders| Blocks | Id| Id
>------------------------------------------------
>Primary| hda1| 1 638 | 5124703| 83| Linux Native
>Primary| hda2| 639 1218| 4658850| c| Win95 FAT32(LBA)
>Primary| hda3| 1219 1232| 112455| 82| Swap
>
>And i'm running RedHat 5.2 (kernel 2.0.36 ) on a Celeron A333 with 128Mo
>Ram
>******************************************************************
>
>Note : I have tried to use fdisk(linux) to redeclare my partitions but
>it says
> something like :
> /hda2 has a logical ending at 1218 and a physical at 1023
>....
> and other similar messages for /hda3 .... (i don't remember
>exactly)
>
>
>
>
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From: Melancon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:16:17 -0600
Frank Sweetser wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > You pledge
> > : allegiance to the flag at *school* in the USA AFAIK.
> >
> > Yup. I think they do.
>
> yup, we do.
I don't know what school you went to, or how old you are, but that silly pledge
dissappeared back in the 50's or 60's...
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From: David Efflandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP!!!
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:40:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 1/29/99, 2:48:24 PM, "anon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding=20
HELP!!!:
> I got to the point of the RH 5.1 install where it was copying the=20
files to
> the hard drive (two progress bars and a module counter) and it=20
CRASHED!
> there was some text written over the progress screen witch ended in=20
the
> phrase "it is now safe to reboot" so I reboot. Now my machine tests=20
the
> memory, shows the drive summary screen and then says "Press any key to=
> reboot" and stays in that loop. What can I do? I can't even access my =
C:\
> drive or my CD-ROM!!!!! HELP!!!!!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please email me, thanks!
Sounds like a set of instructions someone sent me for Windows2000:=20
"Press any key to quit, press any other key to continue."
You should always have a boot floppy for your current OS (including=20
cdrom driver, fdisk, format, etc.) before installing anything you are=20
not familiar with. For DOS/Win you can try "fdisk /mbr". But if that=20
does not work, maybe you corrupted your partitions. Otherwise if you=20
have access to another computer, you can make Linux boot and root=20
disks and see what Linux fdisk shows for your partitions.
Note that during the installation there are other virtual terminals=20
that may tell you something. They are accessed with Alt-Function keys=20
(Alt-F1 through Alt-F6).
Did you use primary partition(s)? What size. RedHat can take over=20
300 meg for a full install plus what it needs to expand files. So you=20
should probably have at least 500 meg available.
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From: Andrew Comech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: 29 Jan 1999 21:39:46 -0500
$350 will buy you a VA 503+ motherboard with K6-2 300 on it ($140),
64MB of ECC PC100 memory ($100), and 3GB hard drive ($100).
The best place to find parts is PriceWatch.com.
But people certainly "learn more" trying to run old and slow
hardware; now I do not even remember where my screwdriver is.
Best,
Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: could someone suggest a window manager for me?
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:38:21 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:06:39 -0600...
..and Eric Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am currently using KDE, which I really like, but it is a memory hog.
> I have 64 MB and if I do a fresh boot and then start X and KDE, my
> memory is completely full. I can start X with fvwm2 and then StarOffice
> and still have about 15-20 meg free. This is ok, but I really don't
> like fvwm2. I would like to find something where I am not forced to
> have more that one virtual desktop. If someone could tell me how to
> turn that feature off in fvwm2 that would be a big help. I never use
> more than one desktop (I just minimize everything), and the placement of
> the desktop selector in fvwm2 is very inconvenient because it cover up
> my scrollbars when I have a window maximized. If anyone could suggest a
> good window manager and where to get it, or tell me how to customize
> fvwm2, I would appreciate it.
Here are my personal thoughts about the most popular window managers:
twm, ctwm: Ugly. I don't like them.
lwm, 9wm, wm2, wmx, swim: Nice if you want a light-weight WM. Try them.
Bowman, AfterStep: They pale in comparison to Window Maker.
Window Maker: Pretty and good. Pretty good.
Blackbox: Not exciting. Lean and pretty, though.
fvwm2, fvwm95: Not exciting at all. Worthless without elaborate configuration.
mlvwm: Wonderful if you like Macs.
amiwm: Wonderful if you like Amigas.
qvwm: Wonderful if you like Windows 95.
Enlightenment: Cool for people with mucho macho hardware.
gwm: Why would you want to use it?
scwm: Without configuration, even more worthless than fvwm.
mwm: Yuck!
tvtwm: Why?
icewm: Good overall choice.
ol(v)wm: Pretty, but not really modern anymore.
cdesim: Nice.
XFCE: Even nicer.
I tend to use wm2, but then I'm a WM collector and I change WMs depending on
what mood I'm in. I'm a Gnome aficionado, too; my favourite Gnome-compliant
window manager is icewm, since the current snapshots of Enlightenment tend
to crash a lot. Window Maker with Gnome shouldn't be too bad either.
mawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: "Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 03:29:25 GMT
Linux can run on 486. My ftp / www / mail server is a 486dx4-100 with 32 Mb
RAM and 1.2 gig HD. The hardware is obviously quite a bit beefier then
yours, but the load is at or near 0% all the time...
Even with this upgrade of yours, I'd still recommend you to get 16 Mb of RAM
if possible. Other then that, 20 Mb HD is a problem. You can't do anything
with it. For a reasonably useful installation you need 200 Mb. In fact
that's how it's set up on my server. Linux uses a total of about 180 Mb
(including 30 Mb swap partition), and the rest is allocated for the ftp
archive.
Finally, this configuration is quite useful for a server on a small LAN. But
don't expect that you can run X-Windows with it. (Server doesn't require
GUI).
As for the cdrom issue, the easiest way to go about it would be to
temporarily connect a cdrom to the box and disconnect it when done. You can
also install Linux via network or ftp but you'd have to know how to do
networking.
Seven wrote in message <78tbc3$kba$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello to all.
>
>A friend of mine gave me a Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 CD. He is insisting that
>I check out Linux as it is the future. I recently had a friend give me a
>IBM PS/2 model 30-286 PC and I wish to run Linux on this. In case you
>don't know or remember the specs of this ancient box, it has a 20 MB hard
>drive. I know Linux cannot run on a 286, however I have a chance to
>purchase an IBM PS/2 M30-286 Motherboard Upgrade w/486/66 and 8MB RAM.
>What I want to know is if this upgrade would be worth it to do as the hard
>drive is still only 20MB? I think the minimal installation for Linux is
>10MB and that you can't do squat with that. So how much better would 20MB
>be for Linux? If not, what hard drive would work in there and how much
>storage would I need to "get my hands dirty" with Linux? Or is it
>even worth it?
>
>Also, I would like to network this computer with my Dell Dimension XPS
>R350 as my friend is telling me that I should learn the networking
>capabilities of Linux. Does the motherboard upgrade have an ISA slot for
>an Ethernet card?
>
>Finally, if I DO go this route, how would I install the CD onto the IBM
>PS/2 (no CD-ROM drive)? Can I copy the files onto floppies and then
>install? If so, which files would that be?
>
>I guess I am looking for advice on what to do as much as what NOT to do.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris
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From: Shaygetz <"s m c q u a l e"@i x.n e t c o m.c o m>
Subject: Re: Trouble with 2.2 kernel
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:28:35 -0500
Frank Hale wrote:
>
> Shaygetz wrote:
>
> > This is slightly off the topic,
>
> How is this off topic? comp.os.linux.misc seems to me we can talk about
> anything linux in here since its "misc", which can mean alot of
> different things.
I meant off topic for this particular thread. (Now, it's _really_
off topic for this thread! :-) )
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seth McQuale --> "Shaygetz" To reply to to me directly, remove
the spaces in the "Reply to" email address in the header.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Ernst Gill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,linux.sources.kernel
Subject: Re: lilo says /vmlinuz too big. Now what ???
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:35:40 GMT
Vivien Pascal wrote:
> Kris Hartojo wrote:
>
> > I think the kernel you just made with make zImage is at
> > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage
> > At least that's the case with intel systems I've worked on.
> > So, looks like you copied the wrong file
> > K.
> >
> > Bryan Halter wrote:
> > >
> > > Nick instead of using make zImage use make bzImage and after make modules_install
> > > run make bzlilo
> > >
> > > Bryan ;-)
> > >
> > > Nick Dreyer wrote:
> > >
> > > > To any and all who might be able to help:
> > > >
> > > > I installed the source code package for linux 2.0.34 under /usr/src/linux and
> > > > there did:
> > > >
> > > > make config
> > > > make dep
> > > > make clean
> > > > make zImage
> > > > make modules
> > > > make modules_install
> > > >
> > > > copied /usr/src/linux/vmlinux to /vmlinuz
> > > >
> > > > but when I then try to run lilo, it fails with the message "/vmlinuz too big".
> > > >
> > > > My old kernel was 704533 bytes, and this new one is 788135, so it certainly is
> > > > bigger, but I can't believe that is too big.
> > > >
> > > > I only included the bare minimum is configuration options, so changing that
> > > > won't help. Doing "make bzImage" doesn't help either. (The resulting kernel
> > > > is exactly the same size of 788135 bytes.)
> > > >
> > > > What's going on, and how do I get around this? Your help is greatly
> > > > appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > |\|.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan P. Halter, Desktop Support Team
> > > Lucent Technologies Inc., 300 Baker Ave. Suite 100, Concord, MA 01742-2168
> > > voice: (978) 287-9000 x9526 fax: (978) 287-9050 internet:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==----------
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> > > -----------== Over 66,000 Groups, Plus a Dedicated Binaries Server
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>
> Hello Bryan and Nick
>
> I encountered the same trouble when I started compiling the kernel 2.0.35.
>
> For me, it means that the compilation is not at the end. The image you have to c
> /usr/src/linux/vmlinux, but /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage.
>
> If you want to analyse your joblog , compile with something like 'make zImage >&
> check in the file make.log if the last steps ( compress of vmlinux to zImage, si
> ) are successful.
>
> If it's ok then copy the zImage to /vmlinuz , if you have lilo, make an entry in
> vmlinuz.old , run /sbin/lilo and reboot.
>
> If its not ok, post the end of make.log
>
> Pascal.
> ~
Hi
The /usr/src/linux/vmlinux is the kernel, but the uncompressed one. Therefore what ever
make
parameter (zImage, bzImage, ...) the vmlinux must be of same size. This file you could
use for
instance to load in gdb and see if the code is what you expect.
But the real compressed kernel file you must use for lilo is located in
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot
(in case of Intel archicture) and has the same name as your make parameter (zImage,
bzImage, ..).
Ernst
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From: "Theo van der Merwe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: smbhost not working
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:04:00 +0200
How do I diagnose smbhost? I have used smblient to transfer files from a
Win95 computer:
smbclient // win95 /share -I myIP
When I try to use smbhost with similar parameters, I get an error message of
'device or resource busy - please consult man smbmount':
smbhost // win95 /share /home/theo -I myIP
What could be the difference between smbhost and smbclient?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards,
Theo
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: minimizing, etc.
Date: 31 Jan 1999 00:43:04 GMT
You should have a /mnt/cdrom entry in your /etc/fstab file.
If this has been setup correctly then do a:
mount /mnt/cdrom
at the command line. This may only work as root, but if
you are installing you will want to be root anyway.
There are many different window managers in X. They all behave
differently. This includes how the buttons above the windows
behave. You will have to read about how your particular window
manager makes windows behave...
Neil wrote:
>
> I just installed RedHat Linux 5.2 that came in the package from Macmillan
> Publishing. I am new to linux so I hope this package is good.
>
> Anyway, X does not seem to work quite right: using the -, box, x icons at
> the top right of a window does nothing to a window. I also had to manually
> resize the windows.
>
> Also, how do you access the CD Rom drive in order to browse around and
> possibly install additional utilities? I am used to the Win95 click on E:
> drive approach, but I definately want to learn the linux way. With some
> learning I don't think this will be too much harder than Windows, and it
> is good to have viable alternatives to MS. Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Crary)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 30 Jan 1999 03:41:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ken Pizzini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 27 Jan 99 03:49:47 GMT, Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Most major companies don't trust there sysadmins,
>Most major companies don't trust people that are placed in
>positions of trust? That's pretty strange...
Reality can be pretty strange at times.
>> At one company they wanted to run a full security check on my lap
>> top before letting it connect to there network (pretty common
>> actually). I told them I ran Unix on it and not Windows. They
>> replied that they still are required to check Linux machines
>> (assuming that's what I meant when I said "Unix"). I told him is
>> wasn't Linux but FreeBSD and he says, "Oh sorry, you're ok then.".
>Was this based on some *real* issue(s) with Linux, or just a
>blind presupposition that "Linux is merely a hobbyist OS"?
Probably neither. My guess would be a policy based on ignorance.
I've been told that the most common security problem here at the
University of Colorado is Linux machines is Linux machines running
without non-default security features. FreeBSD machines running
without non-default security features would probably be as insecure.
But far fewer machines use FreeBSD, so the problem that gets noticed
is a problem with Linux machines. That's the sort of thing that
can result in ignorant and irrational policies; policies based on
``We've found that X is a problem, while we have never heard of Y.
Therefore, we will take precautions with X, and assume Y is ok,''
despite the fact that X and Y may have similar problems.
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:51:02 GMT
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>And what is wrong with me saying I live in the best country in the
>world? Should I say the US sucks but I'll stay here and make money.
What's wrong with doing either is the apparent lack of research behind the
statements. If you say "the US is the best country in the world", you are
saying that it is better than all other countries in the world. Now, if
you could provide a good argument for why the US is better than, say,
Finland, Japan, the post-Apartheit South Africa, Argentine, Australia,
New Zealand and Canada, you might have a point. However, most of the people
who tout opinions such as the above on Usenet turn out to never have been
to any of those places (often with the exception of Canada, where they
stay just long enough to consider it "quaint"). And that goes either way ---
whether you say a place is the best in the world, or whether you say it
is the worst, you need to have a foundation for such claims.
Also, the above kinds of statements are amazingly general. What do you
_mean_ by a place being "the best" in the world? What do you measure, and
how? What defines a "good" country? I have lived 4 years of my life in Oz,
after growing up in Germany. The two countries are quite _different_, for
sure (although much less different, I am sure, than for example Germany
and Uganda), but I couldn't say which one is "better". Heck, even for single
characteristics (like the way the bureaucracy[sp?] works), I can't make
my mind up which one I prefer --- sometimes Oz, with its easygoing approach
is great, and I shudder thinking about the contortions doing something "the
German way" would have meant.... and at other times, I am going crazy over
the exact same approach, because "the German way" has the advantage that
there is always one right way of doing something, while in Oz sometimes
things are amazingly easy, and sometimes they are completely impossible.
>Are you enjoying posting messages on an American server?
Last I checked, I am uploading my postings to two Australian servers.
I downloaded yours from one of them, too --- so did you enjoy posting
to an Ozzie server?
>Or do you think you should stop because we are just a bunch of morons.
>And why would you want to post a message on a server that is run by
>morons?
Is it possible you are building a strawman here? All he said was that
unjustified patriotism is getting up his nose....
Bernie
--
============================================================================
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...
...let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:51:03 GMT
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>And I can't believe Intel engineers couldn't understand why they could
>do this. They must be blind. Cheaper labor, No unions, People who are
>happy to have a job and will do anything to keep it.
I guess the following statistics are not true, then:
USA Japan
===================================================
union membership
in total workforce 15.5% 24.2%
average income per
household $41,428 $53,420
average income $15,930 $14,438[1]
per capita $17,806[2]
average income $31,671 $33,471[2]
per working head
average workweek 39.1h 38.2h
yearly rate of
industrial deaths
per 100.000 6.4 2.8
GNP / capita $25,850 $37,560
Unemployment 6.1% 2.9%
[1] Using average household size of 3.7 (given with the figure on average
per household income)
[2] Using average household size of 3.0 (given earlier, and much more in
line with the ratio of 125,000,000 population vs 40,000,000 households,
particularly as that is 1995 population and 1990 households)
>Seems like a no brainer to me.
Seems to me like someone needs to do a bit of research before shooting
off his mouth.... Both union membership and productivity seem to be
roughly 50% higher in Japan than in the US. (Yes, of course that is
a simplistic way of interpreting these numbers. But at least it takes
the numbers into consideration at all!).
Bernie
P.S.: The above numbers were taken from the 1998 CD edition of the
Encyclopedia Britannica, which just so happens to be published
by a US company.
--
============================================================================
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...
...let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: C or C++ compilers for LInux
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:54:15 GMT
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:32:09 -0500, Kevin A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Apart from gcc/g++ and egcs, are there any other C and/or C++ compilers
>available for Linux?
Yes, there are commercial compilers from KAI, Comeau, the Portland Group.
There is also LCC, which is a free C-only compiler, and Tendra, a public
domain compiler. See
http://sal.kachinatech.com/F/1/index.shtml
Dave Cook
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ethernet vs. Mouse Probs
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:42:26 -0600
Did XF86Config get corrupted?
Just re-run XF86Setup or XF86Configurator (or what ever it was called in
RH, I forgot)
Jerry
nonet@chain wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Well, I've discovered the power of RTFM, and got my
> ethernet card working. (I had to set some LILO params
> at boot; tricky!)
>
> Now, I'm stuck again. My mouse is not responding in X.
> It worked before, so I'm guessing my ethernet card now
> has the IRQ. Now, I tried:
>
> cat /proc/interrupts
>
> and didn't see the mouse listed. How should I go about
> trouble shooting this one? Any pointers would be greatly
> valued.
>
> Cheers,
>
> A *nix Convert
>
> P.S.--Now that I got the ethernet card working, I'd like
> to let other computers mount the file system (I've got a
> lil LAN and hub going, which I'm slowly converting from
> netBIOS to DNS.) Any quick-start suggestions on how to
> get this up? I plan to read more on this, but thought it'd
> be a treat to just get that part working.
>
> The LAN has: Dual PII, RH5.1, kernel 2.2.1, 10BaseT
> P200, Win NT (soon to be FreeBSD!!)
> P75, RH5.1, kernel 2.2.1, 10BaseT (the
> problem computer right now).
>
> You guys rock,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: newbie GCC problem
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:49:54 GMT
On 31 Jan 1999 00:02:17 GMT, Gary Helbig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If I try to compile a program that ends in '.C', I get an error:
>gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory
The .C extension is reserved for C++ files. Change the files to .c, or if
they really are C++ files, use g++ to compile them.
Dave Cook
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From: Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:24:25 -0500
Charles Sullivan wrote:
>
> If memory serves, the IBM PS/2 uses the microchannel bus, which is
> not supported by Linux.
Actually, quoting from http://www.linuxhq.com/wonderful22.html
]2) System Busses and Assorted Ilk
]
]Although somewhat less crucial and cutting edge, Linux 2.2 will support
a
]larger proportion of the existing x86 computers with the addition of
complete
]support for the Microchannel bus found on some PS/2s and older
machines.
If that fails, then there is http://www.dgmicro.com/mca/ This appears
to be the site for MCA development - based on a modified Slackware.
--
Mike Werner KA8YSD | "Where do you want to go today?"
ICQ# 12934898 | "As far from Redmond as possible!"
'91 GS500E |
Morgantown WV |
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