Linux-Misc Digest #832, Volume #18 Sat, 30 Jan 99 23:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: local hostname problem!?! (Fhurqaan Hamid)
[HELP] How to determine daemon's TCP/IP ports? (Lam Dang)
Re: connection speed of modem ("Steve Weigand")
Re: /etc/issue ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: encrypted file system (Michael Powe)
Let me clarify...Re: Why does Netscape hang until I dial up? (Rod Brick)
Re: Looking for software on the Net (Dustin Puryear)
Re: [Q] Bogo mips shrinked!? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Cher-Wah Tan)
Re: Developing X Windows Apps for Linux (MENIER Clement)
Re: UNIX - Who, What, Where? ("jdn")
Re: statistical analysis software? (James G. MacKinnon)
Re: [Q] Bogo mips shrinked!? (William Burrow)
Re: (Symbolic) Links Again (William Burrow)
Question on which Linux to use and books? ("JHY-YEUAN WANG")
Re: LILO problem with win98 (Redhat) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LinuxCAD technology in a long run. (Gary Momarison)
Re: Uninstalling a tarball application? (Kent Robotti)
Log Files (Jeff Grossman)
Re: sndconfig for onboard pci audio (steve winston)
Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286 (Joe Gadell)
Re: (Symbolic) Links Again (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Zip drive with Kernel 2.2 (Kyle Dansie)
Re: StarOffice Download ("TEX@go")
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Dustin Puryear)
Re: Web Browsers. . . ("TEX@go")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fhurqaan Hamid)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: local hostname problem!?!
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:05:00 +0800
Reply-To: fha@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I have set the local hostname in /etc/HOSTNAME, and rebooted
>but it still comes up with the generic hostname: localhost.localdomain.
>
>What gives?
run netconfig.
--
Women do come with instructions, ask them!
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From: Lam Dang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: [HELP] How to determine daemon's TCP/IP ports?
Date: 28 Jan 1999 09:39:46 -0500
Given an executable running on, say, Red Hat
5.2, is it possible to determine the TCP/IP port
or ports it responds to, without documentation and
source? If so, what's the best way to do it?
--
Lam Dang
PGP key available as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Steve Weigand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: connection speed of modem
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 03:18:55 GMT
In article <78lrc6$ce4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sam E. Trenholme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Is there a command or maybe this information is logged to some file? I
>>checked /var/log/messages but this contained no information.
>
>You can have this information logged to /var/log/messages if you set up
>your chat script so that it gives verbose output.
...
Yeah, but that's not really the best way to figure out what your
modem's current speed is, is it? I mean, my 56K modem sometimes
connects initially at, say, 40Kbaud, then steps up to 50Kbaud.
Sometimes the line deteriorates, so it may drop down to 28.8Kbaud.
Etc.
I wish there was a way to send "ATI6" to my modem (which should query
the modem's stats) *while* using PPP. But as I understand it, such a
thing would be difficult to implement without the possibility of losing
packets. Any ideas?
C yas,
- Steve Weigand
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Houston, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: /etc/issue
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:18:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day Bob and all,
> /etc/issue is not the only place to change under RH. You need to change a
> startup script as well....
>
> /etc/rc.d/rc.local is scripted to rewrite issue every time the script is run.
> You should make the changes you want in there.
>
> All the best...
>
> Michael.
Thanks a lot, everybody who replied. You certainly solved my problem. I have
to wonder why on earth they would choose to re-write that file on every boot..
but no doubt they had their reasons.
Thanks again!
Bob
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: encrypted file system
Date: 30 Jan 1999 07:58:15 -0800
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>>>>> "Norm" == Norm Dresner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Norm> You need a password to get onto the machine (if it's set up
Norm> properly), why do you need to password-protect the files
Norm> too? Are you worried about other users seeing them? Then
Norm> create (or get your sys-admin) to put you in a separate
Norm> group. These suggestions may not be perfect, but I think it
Norm> would be better than a) A non-standard system b) Another
Norm> layer of software to fail c) Another layer of software to
Norm> chew up the CPU bandwidth Ans: All of the above
What happens to all these "protections" when someone logs in in
`single user mode'?
Personally, I've thought more than once of putting on an encrypted
file system just because I have a lot of documents that I would prefer
to be `for my eyes only.' I just haven't gotten around to it.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Rod Brick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Let me clarify...Re: Why does Netscape hang until I dial up?
Date: 30 Jan 1999 17:00:38 GMT
Thanks for the input, but let me clarify a couple of things. First, the
default page IS set to blank. Second, Netscape never even appears on
the desktop until I dial up. One issue that might be relevent though,
I'm running Netscape 3.04. I have never had this problem before, it
just started. The only thing I've changed recently is upgrading KDE.
But I tried running fvwm95-2, and I ran into the same problem with
Netscape. Any other ideas?
Rod
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From: Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Looking for software on the Net
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:34:57 -0600
Vladimir Vuksan wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:21:02 -0800, Stuart Updegrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >:Where are some good places on the Internet to find software for Linux
> >:and its RPM, free or not? This can be a directory of places too.
> >
> >ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux
>
> Check out LinuxBerg (Tucows Linux archive)
>
> http://www.linuxberg.com/
freshmeat.net anyone?
Regards, Dustin
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Dustin Puryear * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ICQ 6644253
Help Crack Government Encryption: http://www.distributed.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: [Q] Bogo mips shrinked!?
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:51:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Hey I got my PII 266 to 272.79 damn 28.67 sux.
I've got a Pentium 166 MMX, about 280 Bogo MIPS... (Asus SP97-V MB)
Donn
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From: Cher-Wah Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:03:44 +0000
> Redhat 5.2 is the only distro
> that I've seen install on a laptop painlessly.
i agreed. it was a zap on my ibm thinkpad.
> many dislikes about Redhat to be too enthusiastic Note to redhat: you're
> starting to
> treat us the same way that MS does).
with all due respect - what has redhat done?
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From: MENIER Clement <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Developing X Windows Apps for Linux
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:11:05 +0100
No XFree86 is totally different than Mwm. One is the X windows and the other is
the window manager (the look of it, if you want). X application can be run under
any Window manager (provided you have the library installed).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear Linux Users:
>
> I am interested in writing applications for Linux operating system. I would
> like your expert opinions on where to start. I will install Linux shortly and
> would like to know the following:
>
> 1) Is XFree86 same thing as Motif Window Manager? If not, what is the
> difference?
>
> 2) Would it be necessary to buy MWM ($100) to display X Windows Applications?
>
> 3) Which C++ GUI toolkit do I use: Amulet, Qt, Cde, OSF/Motif, Powerbuilder,
> or V toolkit?
>
> Thank you in advance for all suggestions.
>
> Ash
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "jdn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: UNIX - Who, What, Where?
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:09:52 -0600
Although it isn't the best analogy, another way to think of it would be to
ask "What is THE official PC?"
There isn't one. There are family resemblances, but no official 'standard'
per se (okay, I'm sure someone will post a URL that lists some official PC
standard, but, you get the idea, I hope)
jdn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James G. MacKinnon)
Subject: Re: statistical analysis software?
Date: 30 Jan 1999 22:03:54 -0500
Lee Green MD wrote:
>
> Are there any powerful general-purpose statistics packages for Linux?
The commercial S-Plus and free R programs may or may not be what you are
looking for. R is available as a couple of Debian packages.
Another commercial package, which is more similar to the "big" commercial
packages, but is not nearly as bloated as they are, is Stata
(http://www.stata.com). Stata has just released a new version for Linux
and many other operating systems.
--
James G. MacKinnon Department of Economics
phone: 613 533-2293 Queen's University
Fax: 613 533-2257 Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] K7L 3N6
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: [Q] Bogo mips shrinked!?
Date: 31 Jan 1999 03:26:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:51:17 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>> Hey I got my PII 266 to 272.79 damn 28.67 sux.
>
>I've got a Pentium 166 MMX, about 280 Bogo MIPS... (Asus SP97-V MB)
Hmm, did Intel change the Pentium core with the MMX series? A plain
P166 should get around 66 bogomips.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: (Symbolic) Links Again
Date: 31 Jan 1999 03:13:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 30 Jan 1999 04:13:12 -0500,
Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Naive users tend to call those things that you see with ls -C files. I see
>>that ls --help calls them entries. It would be somewhat cryptic to
>>tell users to unlink their entries with rm, even though it is perhaps
>>perfectly correct nomenclature. Even the ls manpage refers to the entries
>>as files.
> s/entries/references/. Or just "names".
Still doesn't decrypt the sentence. Directory entries might be a bit
clearer, or file references or file names. Though the latter two leave
the possibility of mistaking the entries for files.
>It's even worse. You have (a) several (>=0) references; (b) inode (*real*
>file); (c) for some of them - data blocks containing octets.
>
>>If I recall, and interpret the source correctly (debatable -- the structures
>>have several levels), the symlink is stored in the inode (or indirect inodes
>>if the entry exceeds 59 characters?) (in the ext2_inode_info structure in
>>the i_data member).
>
> Meaning (b). If the string is short enough ext2 will put it
>in place normally used by pointers to data blocks. Otherwise it will
>allocate block(s) (up to 4096 bytes) as it would do for regular files and
>directories. They still are valid files. File==inode. Storage methods may
>vary, depending on the type of file. E.g. named pipes and devices are
>files but have no associated data blocks in filesystem.
Every system I've run across tries to use different terminology. It seems
that Unix wants to call inodes files and files data blocks. Mainframes
call files clusters or members (depending where the files are). Users are
really only interested in the set of octets stored on the disk and tend to
call them files (because application menus tend to refer to them as files).
>>Experiments with df and df -i tend to bear this out, except that to the
>>maximum of 255 or so characters allowed for a file name, the symlink
>>only takes one inode.
> See above. Ext2 optimizes the case of relatively short links.
>Symlink *always* takes exactly one inode. Long symlinks also have associated
>data block(s).
Poking around the code a bit more seems to bear this out -- what each
function being called does is not clearly documented in the code. Perhaps
it is clear to someone with experience designing Unix filesystems, I don't
know.
[...Hard linking devices...]
> The *only* problem may be in braindead software that uses something
>a-la empty file with name /tmp/foo.my.moronic.way.to.lock.devices as lock
>for /dev/foo. *That* will break. Badly. As it deserves. It will break on
>*many* other things, so...
It is not clear to me how symlinks solves this problem. This technique
is used with serial device locks, which is why I've dispensed with
/dev/modem. (I also dispensed with cuaX, but for another reason -- and
I picked to dispense with ttySx at first, so now that that is straightened
out...).
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Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: "JHY-YEUAN WANG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question on which Linux to use and books?
Date: 31 Jan 1999 03:35:05 GMT
Hi,
I am looking to install Linux into a Pentium II 350 PC. As I visit this
news group, I found out there are many different Linux, i.e. Red Hat,
Slackware, SuSE, ... .
Can anybody give some suggestion about which one to use. My goal is to
install an Apache web server on Linux. The workstation connected to it will
be a Win95 station.
Also, can you suggest some books about Linux, Apache?
Thanks a lot,
Philip Wang
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: LILO problem with win98 (Redhat)
Date: 30 Jan 1999 17:17:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Danny Pansters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You should use vfat not fat to have LILO recognise your fat32 partition. If
>you just started you may consider re-doing the whole install. You can always
>get your windows 98 to boot again by using a dos boot disk and then type
>fdisk /mba (I think, please check this first!).
That's MBR (Master Boot Record). MBA is a business degree :-)
>This will replace your MBA.
>Alternatively, you can install LILO on your main Linux partition instead of
>overwriting the MBA. Personally I believe this is quite a silly solution but
>its supposed to work ok (says RedHat).
This is sometimes necessary. For example, when I installed Solaris, it
couldn't boot Linux unless LILO was installed in the Linux
partition. (I responded by setting it up so LILO booted Solaris.)
>As far as the 1024 cyl. thing goes: you can either make sure that you have
>your boot partition for linux somewhere < 1024th cyl, or
>try fiddling a little with your bios settings. What I did was have my bios
>"remap" my HD to less than 1024 cyls. Works fine.
>
>Btw Disk druid is much nicer than fdisk.
I've never used it, but I have a friend that got into trouble with it
because it apparently doesn't give you the same level of control fdisk
does. It made some decisions for him, and came up with the wrong
answers.
Joe
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LinuxCAD technology in a long run.
Date: 30 Jan 1999 09:34:46 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> You can relay on LinuxCAD technology in a long run:
Rolling on the floor laughing... or is that a play on
words implying that the long run is a relay race.
A warning from http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/cad.html:
<A HREF="http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue30/wuest.html">
LinuxCAD Impressions</A>  Jul'98 LG;
Be sure to read this before buying.
<a href="http://pw2.netcom.com/~rwuest/linuxcadreview.html">
Writer's copy with a postscript.</a>
I've forgotten what the reviewer had to say, but it was
cautionary. OTOH, he didn't compare the competition.
--
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Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: Kent Robotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uninstalling a tarball application?
Date: 31 Jan 1999 01:44:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"jdn" <kingcrim> wrote:
> I tend to like to try out various applications, and often ones that I know I
> probably won't use on a regular basis, but just want to see what they are
> like.
> Anyway, suppose I've come to my senses and decide to get rid of some of
> these applications to free up disk space. Is there a basic procedure to do
> this, or is it more of a "hunt down and kill" process? Obviously, with
> RedHat, you just uninstall the RPM. Is there anything similar with tar.gz
> installs?
> TIA
> jdn
Try the pack program it acts as a wrapper to install, when you
do a make install it will keep a record of the install, so you
can remove it later using pack.
http://www.linuxos.org/Pack.html
pack-1.1.0.tgz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Grossman)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Log Files
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:44:12 GMT
Hello,
Is there a program out there that will allow me to read all of my log
files in a nice and easy format? Or maybe one that will e-mail the
logs to me on a daily basis?
Thanks,
Jeff
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From: steve winston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: sndconfig for onboard pci audio
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:45:17 -0800
Hy, I have an intel motherboard with integrated Yamaha sound device. When I
compiled the kernel, I added the proper drivers. Haven't tried'em out yet,
though
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Tom Shealy wrote:
>I have an intel se440bx-2 motherboard with integrated pci audio (Yamaha
>YMF740 PCI Audio I think). When I run sndconfig, it finds a PCI card of
>
>ty
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From: Joe Gadell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:48:44 -0600
I don't use it yet, but I read that 2.2.1 now has microchannel support.
--joe
(reply by email pleaz)
Eoin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:45:48 -0500, "Charles Sullivan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >If memory serves, the IBM PS/2 uses the microchannel bus, which is
> >not supported by Linux.
> >
>
> Model 30s are not Microchannel.
>
> --Eoin
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Subject: Re: (Symbolic) Links Again
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 30 Jan 1999 22:57:13 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow) writes:
> Every system I've run across tries to use different terminology. It
> seems that Unix wants to call inodes files and files data blocks.
> Mainframes call files clusters or members (depending where the files
> are). Users are really only interested in the set of octets stored
> on the disk and tend to call them files (because application menus
> tend to refer to them as files).
multics called them `segments' (iirc files were memory mapped) which
is the origin of the unix `ls' command -- *L*ist *S*egments.
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:02:27 -0700
From: Kyle Dansie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux
Subject: Re: Zip drive with Kernel 2.2
The Learner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I recently downloaded and installed kernel 2.2 from source code on my
> Red Hat 5.2 system,
> being careful to upgrade all packages which needed upgrading using RPMs
> from Project Tango.
> I've heard that 2.2 has great Zip drive report, but ever since I
> installed it my Zip drive -- which worked flawlessly under 2.0.33,
> 2.0.34, and 2.0.36 -- now no longer works. Although I can mount the
> drive, whenever I try to do something I get a great deal of SCSI I/O
> errors. Does anyone have any idea as to what's wrong?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --JM
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The early versions of pre 2.2.0 had a problem with zip drivers. Maybe
you just need to get the latest 2.2.1 or whatever is current today.
Good Luck,
Kyle Dansie
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http://njtcom.com/dansie/zip-drive.html
or
http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/mini/ZIP-Drive.html
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From: "TEX@go" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: StarOffice Download
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:07:02 -0600
SuSE6 is for sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have fun!
Cleavage wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Anyone know of a site which has staroffice in smaller packages. Or a place
> which has staroffice on cd cheap.
>
> TIA,
> Clive
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims to making a
stable operating system and
Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world.
Linux; The Official OS of the New Millennium
http://www.linuxlink.com
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From: Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:24:09 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> :> And we never had that kind of silliness in the first place...
>
> : You never had *flags*?
>
> Nope. We just never had to make silly pledges of allegiance.
Actually, nobody is *made* to make a pledge. It's purely optional.
Regards, Dustin
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Help Crack Government Encryption: http://www.distributed.net
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From: "TEX@go" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web Browsers. . .
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:15:17 -0600
Have you read the time?? I think HOWTOO Any way I readd it , and it is
not clearer, but if your browser is working it is loosing time... Seems
that way here.. So rdate or something......netdate???
Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> Matt Penfold wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just remember that without that 'shit' time mode GMT, there would be no
> > concept of time zones, and you would be getting up in the middle of the
> > night to go to work!
> >
>
> --
> Tann� du plantage avec Ti-Mou?
> Alors essayez donc Linux ou OS/2
> http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
> We have software, food, music, news, search,
> history, electronics and genealogy pages.
--
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims to making a
stable operating system and
Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world.
Linux; The Official OS of the New Millennium
http://www.linuxlink.com
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ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
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sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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