Linux-Misc Digest #832, Volume #20 Mon, 28 Jun 99 16:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Word Perfect (Alan Fried)
Re: leafnode (Emmanuel Tatto)
Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution (Silviu Minut)
Re: Backup recommendations? (Rod Smith)
Re: Celeron Compatibility (Stewart Honsberger)
Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution (Alex Flinsch)
Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (was: Depoliticising the argument (was:
The End of Free Software)) (david parsons)
Re: UNIX / LINUX Compatibility (Doug Oleinik)
Re: gui diff tool for linux? (Rudy Wortel)
Re: ISPS ("Alan J. Wylie")
Re: kernel 2.3.8 oddity (Chris Mauritz)
Re: Opinions on linux cd-rom vendors? (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: XF86Config for a ThinkPad 755CE ("Oliver Cronk")
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest News
Re: Documentation issues. (Matt Curtin)
Re: Can't get linux to open (Tarkaan)
Re: Apache "redirect" question (Ben Short)
Re: Documentation issues. (Russ Allbery)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried)
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:18:45 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) wrote:
>[Posted and mailed]
>
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried) writes:
>> I have been using WP8 for several months now. The only difficulty
>> I have is that it does not correctly read my microsoft word 97 files
>> correctly from my dos partition.
>>
>> It just reads the headers of the document and nothing else.
>>
>> I've been told to disable the fast save feature but that
>> does not do the trick.
>
>It's possible that you've got a mount option set in such a way that the
>files are being corrupted. Make sure you're not specifying "conv=t[ext]"
>or "conv=a[uto]" in your /etc/fstab or when you mount the partition.
>
>If that still doesn't help, try using something other than MS Word format
>when you save the files from MS Word. RTF frequently works pretty well.
>You could also try earlier versions of MS Word, or WordPerfect if that's
>an option.
>
>> I prefer word perfect over word star but word star is
>> able to read my word files with no problem whether I
>> use the fast save feature or I don't.
>
>Word Star? AFAIK, there's no Linux version of Word Star, nor any recent
>version for ANY platform. AFAIK, it died many years ago. Do you mean
>Star Office? That's an entirely different product.
I'll try your suggestion and yes I meant Star Office. Is there an
explantion why Star Office has no problem and Word Perfect does?
Thanx in advance
Alan
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From: Emmanuel Tatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: leafnode
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:53:14 +0000
Daniel Wagner wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I wanted to setup a local news-server for offline reading and posting in my home-LAN
>and i decided to use leafnode cause i've heard that it's easy to use, but now i've
>got several problems.
>
> 1. With "News-Readers" like Netscape, Krn or Outlook Express i only get the groups
>and the messagecount but no messages.
>
> When i subscribe to a ng it doesn't get listed in the directory
>/var/spool/news/interested.group (in leafnode documentation they wrote there should
>be a file with ng name for each subscribe ng.)
>
> Can anybody help me with my problem, or should i use inn for offline reading/posting?
>
> Thanks Daniel.
>
> --
> Java rulz! Linux rulz!
>
> E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ICQ: 41472160
> WWW: http://www.computer.privateweb.at/daniel.wagner/
Hi,
Have you edit /etc/leafnode/config and check that 'server = ...' point to your ISP
news server ?
Have your run under root or news fetch after subscribing to some newsgroups? Also, you
must run fetch daily, or weekly in a crontab or manualy to get new messages from
newsgroups(fetch must be run
under root or news account).
Have you mark as read in Netscape or in you news reader the first message from
Leafnode ?
Have you define 'export NNTPSERVER=localhost' in your /etc/profile or ~/.profile ?
I'm currently running leafnode 1.9.2 and it works just fine.
Manu.
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:00:06 -0400
I doubt there's many people who run several distributions just for
comparing them, so that they can give advice to newbies. If I run RedHat
I'll tell you RedHat is good. If John Doe runs Caldera, he'll tell you
choose Caldera.
One thing though. Dell and IBM ship pc's with RedHat. I wonder why.
Alex Flinsch wrote:
> I am in the process of buying a new system and intend on setting it up
> as multiple boot win9x/linux/(possibly NT).
>
> Hopefully the system will be purchased with 2 hard drives installed,
> which would make the installation of a dual boot system go more
> smoothly, but this will mainly be determined by the intersection of the
> following (anticipated vs actual annual bonus) & current hardware prices
> at time of bonus.
>
> Anyway, the win9x option is fairly straightforward, as there are very
> few options for it (read 1, whatever version of win9x is out there when
> I get the system).
>
> I have narrowed the linux option (mostly based on others comments & what
> is available at my local computer shops), down to 2 possibilities either
> RedHat 6, or Caldera 2.2
>
> As near as I can tell, each has specific strengths and weaknesses. The
> Caldera distro, appears to be easier to install, especially if I only
> get 1 drive in the system (the included Partition Magic bundle, don't
> want to buy it seperately if I am only going to use it once), while the
> RedHat distro, seems to be more of a standard, and seems to include more
> "extras" & documentation included with the package.
>
> My questions to you are:
> Are there any other strengths/weaknesses to either distribution?
> Any experience with the support services offered by either company (good
> or bad)?
>
> TIA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Backup recommendations?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) writes:
>
> What about timing issues? I've read that if the CDR (or CDRW) doesn't
> get written to consistently enough, the resultant media (especially
> in the case of CDR) is coastered. At least with tape, you can use tar
> (with a reasonably decent buffer size) and go.
True, CD-R and CD-RW are very timing-sensitive. You can improve your odds
of creating a good CD by following some tips, though:
1) Use a recent version of cdrecord (or a package built on it, like
X-CD-Roast). Recent versions of cdrecord use their own internal
RAM-based buffer to help reduce the likelihood that a bottleneck
reading data off the hard disk will cause a buffer underrun.
2) Refrain from doing disk-intensive tasks while burning. CPU-intensive
shouldn't be a problem (at least, up to a point), but disk-intensive
has the potential to create a coaster, especially if it's off of the
same disk as the image file.
3) Use SCSI components, which handle multiple accesses on the same bus
much better than does EIDE.
4) If you must use EIDE, put the CD-R drive and the source hard disk on
separate cables, and if there's anything else on the same cable as the
CD-R drive, don't use that device while burning the CD-R.
5) If you have problems running a drive at full speed, turn down the speed
a notch. For instance, if you find you're burning coasters at 4x
speed, try 2x instead.
All that said, IMHO CD-R and CD-RW have a low enough capacity that they're
not terribly useful for full system backups. They're good for archiving
specific materials, for long-term storage, and maybe for backing up small
systems (a system you use as a dedicated X terminal, say, or if you've got
a network with most of the applications and data files on a server, you
might be able to back up the client systems to CD-R).
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
Author of _Special Edition Using WordPerfect for Linux_, from Que;
see http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith/books.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Subject: Re: Celeron Compatibility
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:33:46 GMT
On 26 Jun 1999 00:58:25 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:
>Someone is telling me that Celeron CPU's have compatibility problems.
>Has anyone experienced any?
>From what I understand, this is just WIntel FUD.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://sprk.com/blackdeath/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE Linux 6.0 / OS/2 Warp 4
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From: Alex Flinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Newbie: Needs help selecting distribution
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:40:59 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am in the process of buying a new system and intend on setting it up
as multiple boot win9x/linux/(possibly NT).
Hopefully the system will be purchased with 2 hard drives installed,
which would make the installation of a dual boot system go more
smoothly, but this will mainly be determined by the intersection of the
following (anticipated vs actual annual bonus) & current hardware prices
at time of bonus.
Anyway, the win9x option is fairly straightforward, as there are very
few options for it (read 1, whatever version of win9x is out there when
I get the system).
I have narrowed the linux option (mostly based on others comments & what
is available at my local computer shops), down to 2 possibilities either
RedHat 6, or Caldera 2.2
As near as I can tell, each has specific strengths and weaknesses. The
Caldera distro, appears to be easier to install, especially if I only
get 1 drive in the system (the included Partition Magic bundle, don't
want to buy it seperately if I am only going to use it once), while the
RedHat distro, seems to be more of a standard, and seems to include more
"extras" & documentation included with the package.
My questions to you are:
Are there any other strengths/weaknesses to either distribution?
Any experience with the support services offered by either company (good
or bad)?
TIA
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (was: Depoliticising the
argument (was: The End of Free Software))
Date: 28 Jun 1999 10:18:14 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc,
> o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons) writes:
>: You're mentioned in the working parts of the
>: page, so do you know if the project is active but hasn't updated
>: the web pages for a while (this is also a problem with Mastodon,
>: though I'm doing a source dump today), or if the smoke has been
>: let out of it?
>
>As with any such thing, a project needs a champion or three fiendishly
>devoted to producing results. The guy pulling most of the week decided
>to go on a world tour for a long spell. There was a bit of activity from
>someone else doing very similar things. Perhaps it was you. What we
>really need is a coherently packaged distribution. I don't mean CDs.
>I just mean something you can type "make" against.
I'm pretty close to this; I do have master makefiles that remake
each of the packages (not, of course, that I actually DO this;
the times I've accidentally done make from the package level I've
actually heard my build machine laughing fiendishly as it goes off
and spends three hours rebuilding X11R6.) The Linux kernel is
always the most problematic to lump into a makefile umbrella, so
I exclude it from the build process.
And the daemonlinux mailing list doesn't appear to exist anymore,
either -- maybe I'm just mailing submissions to the wrong address?
>The hardest thing is
>getting all the libc issues resolved. It's annoying in the extreme when
>things that compile on one of Linux or BSD won't build on the other one.
I don't find it that annoying; most of the code I've been working on
will compile on either Linux or a *BSD without complaint. What I do
find annoying is that if I don't carefully hand-pick the goddamn
libraries I'll get code that will build, but then coredump in the
libraries because the symbols in, libc 5.x.y are not compatabile
with the symbols in libc 5.x.y-1
____
david parsons \bi/ The Linux community isn't supporting a.out anymore,
\/ so this means that the a.out libraries have become
stable.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Oleinik)
Crossposted-To:
alt.unix,alt.unix.geeks,alt.unix.wizards,alt.unix.wizards.free,ca.unix,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: UNIX / LINUX Compatibility
Date: 28 Jun 1999 17:44:59 GMT
In article <7l0d87$ma9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Victor Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.development.apps Doug Oleinik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: In article <7kodjq$7p3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>: Victor Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>In comp.os.linux.development.apps Brian M. Begg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>
>:>
>:>But your question was about compilied languages, like C or C++. I can
>:>say only one thing - never write CGI on those. It is much better to
>:>invest time into learning perl and Tcl. You see - I've done this and now
>:>have enough time to write long messages in Usenet ;-).
>:>
>
>: Why should you never write CGI in compiled languages like C or C++?
>: Wouldn't you get better performance from them over an interpreted
>: language like perl?
>
>Probably not. Note that CGI mostly does string handling. And string
>handling is something that Perl and similar languages do very well.
>Do you think you can write better string handling code that Larry Wall?
>If so, you are welcome to contribute to perl development. And this is
>probably better investment of time than to reinvent a wheel again and
>again for each new CGI.
This is like arguing that an interpreted basic is better than C
or C++. I just don't buy it. Since Perl and similar languages
are interpreted, I don't need to write better string handling code
than Larry Wall, just reasonably good code to beat the combined
speed of the program parser and Larry's code. Besides, even
though your CGI's may do mostly string handling, that might not be
the case in all instances. As far as re-inventing the wheel again
and again, once I write a routine, I can use it over and over again
in whatever CGI's (or other programs) I happen to write. After 12
years of C programming, I've got alot of routines to work with.
>
>Other thing is a question arised in original posting - if you write
>it on perl, it would run on almost any machine which could run Web
>server without any changes. If you write it on C you are going into
>trouble of recompiling (and actually porting it) for each new machine
>you move it to. Go to the nearest bookshop and look for O'Reilly book
>about porting unix software. There is some 400 pages of traps you may
>fall into. And nothing like that if you write on Perl, Tcl, Python or
>Scheme.
>
Bah. Most of my CGI's would require a simple re-compile (make install),
except for the stuff that reads binary files from other platforms. In
any language, I'd still have to deal with endianness and data
alignment anyways if moving to another platform.
Doug Oleinik
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rudy Wortel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gui diff tool for linux?
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:42:11 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a gui diff tool available for linux?
>
> Thanks,
> -Bruce
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Version 3.3 of xdiff is available for several platforms including
redhat linux from
http://reality.sgi.com/rudy/xdiff
If you liked the version on sgi then you will like this new version. It
has
support for up to *five* files at a time. Automatic merges for three or
more files. Highlighting differences within the line. Just to mention a
few.
Version 3.4 coming soon. i just haven't made the time to put it on my
web site yet.
Enjoy
-rudy
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From: "Alan J. Wylie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ISPS
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:58:40 +0100
Darren Paxton wrote:
>
> I am just posting this message to gauge some feedback from the Linux
> community in the world.
>
> Since Microsoft has the dominating share in the market of computing (I
> do not think anyone would doubt this statement), every ISP in the world
> is generally based on Microsoft.
No.
Most people with a clue run UNIX, except perhaps for the pretty bits
on the home page.
Freeserve, with the exception of www.freeserve.co.uk runs on Linux.
The vast majority of the _punters_, however, run Windows.
Try the following:
(you'll need a special dial in to sign up, or do it from
Windows. Note that https://signup.freeserve.net has an s after the http)
http://www.littondale.freeserve.co.uk/LinuxAndFreeserve/
http://roundabout.arachsys.com/freeserve.html
========= /etc/chatscripts/freeserve ================
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
ABORT "ERROR"
ABORT "NO ANSWER"
ABORT "BUSY"
ABORT "Invalid Login"
REPORT "CONNECT"
"" "at"
OK "at&K0"
OK "atdt0845 0796699"
CONNECT
========= /etc/ppp/peers/freeserve ==================
# -v for verbose messages
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/chatscripts/freeserve"
# uncomment the next line for more debugging
###debug
# passed to the ip-up and ip-down scripts
ipparam freeserve
# Routing
defaultroute
noipdefault
# Default Modem (you better replace this with /dev/ttySx!)
/dev/modem
# Speed
115200
mtu 576
mru 576
# change glaramara to your domain
name glaramara.freeserve.co.uk
remotename freeserve
refuse-pap
========= /etc/chap=secrets ========================
# Secrets for authentication using CHAP
# client server secret IP
addresses
#----------------------------------------------------------------------
# this to sign up
freeservesignup * signup
#----------------------------------------------------------------------
# freeserve
glaramara.freeserve.co.uk freeserve password
freeserve glaramara.freeserve.co.uk password
FREE-MULTILINK glaramara.freeserve.co.uk password
glaramara.freeserve.co.uk FREE-MULTILINK password
====================================
HTH
--
Alan J. Wylie http://www.glaramara.freeserve.co.uk
My e-mail address should _not_ be modified.
Build a system that even an idiot can use,
and only an idiot will want to use it
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From: Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel 2.3.8 oddity
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:01:58 GMT
Coy A Hile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I just updated one of my Redhat 5.2 boxes to kernel 2.3.8 and noticed
>>that it shows a system load of 1.00 even when the machine is completely
>>idle. Anyone else having this problem?
>>
>>C
>>
> never seen it. are you sure there isn't some sort of background rogue
> process?
Positive. The system is completely idle.
C
--
Christopher Mauritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Opinions on linux cd-rom vendors?
Date: 28 Jun 1999 18:26:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
"Eugene" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> One more good experience with Cheapbytes. I ordered stuff from them 3 times
> already, and have been satisfied with the service. They have a nice ordering
> system too, unlike linuxmall, linuxcentral, etc.
linuxmall.com could clean up their web site/order system... I am not sure
why I keep using them (I guess its just habit, and lack of problem so far)
- Justin
>
> Geoff Stanbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I've decided to order Slackware 4.0 on cdrom from some internet
>> vendor, and I'm wondering which vendor I should go with? As in,
>> Walnut Creek, Linuxmall, Cheapbytes, etc. Does it make any
>> difference? I mean, things cost so much less at Cheapbytes, but are
>> their products somehow of worse quality? Thanks for any and all
>> opinions.
>
>
--
_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ RULES!!!!!!! * LINUX RULES *
_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://www.nmc.edu/~willouj/
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ------ Jesus Is Lord ------
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From: "Oliver Cronk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,no.linux
Subject: Re: XF86Config for a ThinkPad 755CE
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:02:47 +0100
Reply-To: "Oliver Cronk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi I have a TP755CE - I have got X to work - ish. Look for the WD video
card defintion if Redhat has one ( I am using slackware 3.6)
I will drop a post here and in the IBM thinkpads group when I have a good
working one setup.
Oliver
Torfinn K�ringen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7kl3cn$8kk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hy
> Does anyone have an working XF86Config on an ThinkPad 755CE.
> please, I tried about everything
>
> I'm running RedHat 6.0
>
> What does it mean when it says, No Clocks line Inserted????
>
> Torfinn K�ringen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:54:54 -0700
On 28 Jun 1999 17:23:29 GMT, Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:11:20 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:15:46 GMT, Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:56:07 +0100, Robin Becker
>>>>a bit off topic, but an article in my paper, the Independent, states
>>>>that M$'s encarta has different versions for different countries. If M$
>>>>can claim in the US that Edison (October 1879) invented the electric
>>>>light bulb before Swan (February 1879) then a few adjustments to
>>>>benchmark results seem minor. Apparently the M$ mouthpiece says these
>>>>sort of 'facts' aren't always black and white etc etc.
>>>
>>>It's just to appease the American public. Just like the
>>>Second World War went from 1941 (when the Americans joined)
>>>to 1945. What was it before that? A bun fight?
>>
>> Does Encarta say that? American public school textbooks
>> certainly don't. Ours even covered the concentration camps.
>
>you mean, the american-run concentration camps?
Yes, I was refering to the American concentration camps.
It stuck out in my mind as something similar to other
things that MS is being accused of sweeping under the
rug.
--
It helps the car, in terms of end user complexity and engineering,
that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
arbitrary point as it's rolling down the road. / | \
Seeking sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Matt Curtin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 28 Jun 1999 15:21:15 -0400
>>>>> On 28 Jun 1999 09:21:03 -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Russ> It's not just a personal preference; explicit markup takes
Russ> longer to write without automated tools.
One could argue that if you have to do too much typing to do the
markup you need, you need a better editor.
Writing SGML is not at all difficult with Emacs' PSGML package.
Certainly it's comparable to writing TeX with AUC-TeX.
--
Matt Curtin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/
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From: Tarkaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't get linux to open
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:58:09 -0400
NEEDHELP wrote:
>
> Have Linux set up on separate ( #4 ) Hard drive. When trying to open Linux
> from this drive, nothing happens.
It is extremely rare that "nothing" happens on a computer. Post *what*
happens.
If nothing happens, you have a bad power supply. Replace it.
-- Jack Tarkaan Kalamazoo, Michigan
-- http://www.bigfoot.com/~tarkaan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- NO UNSOLICITED E-MAIL AT THIS ADDRESS - Respect privacy - NO SPAM!!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short)
Subject: Re: Apache "redirect" question
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:19:44 +1000
In article <FfOd3.117$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Is there anyway to make apache do a "redirect" but keep the original URL in
> the address field (this wouldn't be a redirect though I guess)... but is
> there anyway to do this without writing a CGI-script for it? I currently
> have lines like this:
>
> ServerName www.myserver.com
> RedirectMatch temp (.*)$ http://www.otherserver.com/~user2344$1
>
> but I would like to keep the punched-in URL in the addresswindow... although
> displaying the other page's content!
>
> Thanx // Anders
>
>
>
>
>
>
I Have only just dealt with this problem this morning, and the easiest
thing to do is use an HTML page with frames...like below...
<html>
<head>
<title>TAMarket</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>
<frameset rows="100%,*" cols="*" border="0" frameborder="NO" resize="no"
scroll="no" target="_top">
<frame src="http://tamarket.cjb.net" scrolling="NO" marginwidth="0"
marginheight="0" noresize>
<frame src= scrolling="no" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" noresize>
</frameset><noframes></noframes>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p> </p>
</body>
</html>
Just point the virtual host to the path where this index file is located,
and voila ;)
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From: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 28 Jun 1999 12:28:58 -0700
In gnu.misc.discuss, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It's not just a personal preference; explicit markup takes longer to
>> write without automated tools.
> My experience is that implicit markup doesn't save any time, and is a
> source of errors if the "friendly" markup is complex.
I haven't had the same experiences.
>> Excessively verbose markup languages are also harder to read in the
>> raw. I offer this example all the time: Compare <strong>word</strong>
>> to B<word>. Which of those constructs makes it easier for your eye to
>> find the content rather than the markup?
> <B/word/ or <strong/word/. You don't need to use the <>...</> form
> unless you're marking up something that contains metacharacters.
Depends on your SGML application; the trend in recent times has been to go
away from that in the name of simplicity. I don't believe XML allows it,
for example, and HTML definitely doesn't.
<B/word/ is close enough to B<word> in verbosity that I wouldn't notice
the difference, but explicit paragraph markup still bugs me. So you could
say that I could live with an SGML DTD that used short tags, had a parser
hack to allow you to leave off paragraph marks, and allowed tag
abbreviation. But that isn't the sort of thing people are currently
putting forward as the SGML DTDs to standardize on.
(And there's also the factor that I was trying to get at in my messages
about the state of SGML documentation, namely that there's something about
the way SGML is done and the way DTDs are written that tends to cause
nearly all documentation to devolve into nearly unreadable DTD specs.
Normally I wouldn't hold documentation against a system to this degree,
but that particular problem is *endemic* in everything related to SGML
I've seen, up to and including a lot of the HTML documentation. Comparing
that to the perlpod man page reveals a huge difference in philosophy.)
>> TeX is a little better than a lot of SGML, with \textbf{word}, but is
>> still rather verbose.
> What's the difference between \textbf{word} and <strong/word/?
None. TeX is better than a lot of SGML, not all of it.
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