Linux-Misc Digest #386, Volume #19 Tue, 9 Mar 99 17:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Files larger than 2 GB on Intel/Linux (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Moving directories accross partitions (Bill Unruh)
Re: Remote login for "root" - how??? (Bill Unruh)
Re: KDE in Debian 2.1 ? (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: oracle/glibc problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Richard Robinson)
Re: isdn4k utilities and ISDN (King)
Re: One-way Cable Modem (Pavel Greenfield)
Re: Why doesn't my ldconfig work? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Linux and a telephone system. ("mp")
Re: Funny errors with fsck (Armin Kaiser)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Gianni Mariani)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Tomasz Korycki)
Re: Best value in CPU for linux (Philip Brown)
Re: Receiving email w/Redhat Linux 5.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Public license question (James Youngman)
Re: Public license question (James Youngman)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (James Youngman)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Phil Stevens)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Files larger than 2 GB on Intel/Linux
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:10:47 GMT
Patrick Schemitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hello,
>is it possible to enable Linux/386 to deal with files >2 GB?
>From what I read in the man pages for ftell()/fseek(), I guess I
>run in trouble since both use long as file size arguments, which
>is 32 bit on Intel. Is there a way to circumvent this limitation?
>I mean, without changing "long" to "long long" and rebuilding the
>entire system?
Use the raw device instead. Of course, that does only allow one file
per partition, but the size of that file would be irrelevant.
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Moving directories accross partitions
Date: 9 Mar 1999 21:10:41 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>I'm trying to move a directory to another partition.
>If I use the mv command I get an error message that
>it can't move accross file systems. What would be
>the best way to move it along with all its sub-
>directories and still keep their permissions and
>symlinks after the move?
cd olddirectory
tar -cf - .|(cd newdirectory; tar -xpf -)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Remote login for "root" - how???
Date: 9 Mar 1999 21:12:43 GMT
In <7c3rlj$s01$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>How do I allow root remote console login's - ie telnet, ftp, exceed etc. I
>know I must edit the /etc/default/login file on Solaris, is there the same
>kind of thing in RHL??
/etc/securetty
man securetty
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.H.M. Dassen (Ray))
Subject: Re: KDE in Debian 2.1 ?
Date: 9 Mar 1999 16:21:29 GMT
**Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Debian 2.1 is out, but with the reorganisation of the whole X system, where
>are the packages for KDE ?
The reorganisation was about how the XFree86 tree was turned into packages;
it doesn't apply to libraries or applications on top of XFree86.
KDE is still not shipped by Debian, as the licensing issue (see
http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19981008) still exists.
Troll tech has promised to ship Qt 2.0 under the QPL 1.0
(http://www.troll.no/qpl/), which is a DFSG-free license, but AFAIK still
not GPL-compatible. Once Qt 2.0 is available under QPL 1.0, it will move to
Debian's "main" distribution (Debian proper) from "non-free".
KDE's license (GPL) needs to be relaxed to include linking against a
QPL-licensed library. Once this happens, Debian can distribute KDE binaries
(in "main" if Qt 2.0 is already available; in "contrib" otherwise.)
At the moment, you can find KDE .debs on ftp.kde.org.
HTH,
Ray
--
PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose
between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would
have the decency to betray his country.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.rpm,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:34:18 GMT
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:44:35 -0500, Ewan Dunbar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In theory, X is a great environment. In practice, it is bloated and
>inefficient.
so you are saying that 20 meg HD space for a compleate graphical
environment is bloted? do you prefer the 60 meg of win 95 or the 85
for win 98?
these numbers are acurate. They do not count accessories or apps that
are included.
if you want to count that win 98 is 263 meg X is around 70 meg
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Eastman: He came out of the east to do battle with The Amazing RANDO!
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://earl.thedunbars.com/pmah/index.html
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>
>On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, jik- wrote:
>
>> X is a great environment, I don't personally see the need to replace it
>> with anything.
>>
>>
>>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: oracle/glibc problems
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:08:38 GMT
I JUST GOT ORACLE WORKING ON SLACKWARE!! WOOHOO :)
What did I do? I have NO clue...
lets see.. I installed glibc package from Slackware.com...
(did that long before I started).. It has a problem linking
libraries when installing RDBMS... (thinking).. Okay.. here
I had to make the symbolic links to libcrypt and libnsl (in
/lib)...
I also tried moving my Debian ld over to my slackware box..
which worked when linking bug segfaulted when i tried running
the binaries.. so I took all the binaries from my
$ORACLE_HOME/bin dir on my debian box and moved them over
to my Slackware box... this worked just fine, but then the
database objects were goofed up.. so I reinstalled that data
base objects (had to delete them first... the 3 mount point
dirs).. and now Oracle 8 works in Slackware :)
-Michael Kohn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.inlink.com/~naken/
http://www.inlink.com/~naken/asp2php/
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Poultney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a lot of good info at technet.oracle.com. You have to register for a
> login, but it's pretty quick. There are many posts about this particular
> problem, and no clear solution. If you've figured it out, please contribute!
>
> How did the reinstall go? If it works, could you check for me and see if
> sqlplus runs for you?
>
> Thanks,
> -crispy
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Never mind.. I figured it out.. leave the -lnsl stuff in...
> >
> > What I did is I went into /lib and found libnsl-2.0.7.so
> > and made a symbolic link called libnsl.so to it.
> >
> > Then it complained of a missing library file so I copied
> > it off the CD into the $ORACLE_HOME/lib dir...
> > it was: libclntsh.so.1.0
> >
> > After that all the linking worked.. but it gave a warning
> > about nsl linking to glibc possibly conflicting with libc5..
> >
> > when I run svrmgrl it segfaults :( I'm going to reinstall
> > the whole thing now and see if it works... Might have to
> > change the lines with cc=gcc to cc=gcc (with arguments to
> > ignore libc5)...
> >
> > Anyway...
> >
> > -Michael Kohn
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.inlink.com/~naken/
> > http://www.inlink.com/~naken/asp2php/
> >
> > In article <7bmaft$hnp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I had the same problem on Slackware... If you go into
> > > $ORACLE_BASE/lib
> > >
> > > there is a file called sysliblist. you can remove the -lnsl
> > > from there and it will get a lot further... however it will
> > > then have problem with unresolved function calls.. I did an
> > > nm on the glibc library file and didn't find any of the calls
> > > in it... :( If i get further on the install, i'll let you know..
> > >
> > > -Michael Kohn
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > http://www.inlink.com/~naken/
> > > http://www.inlink.com/~naken/asp2php/
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Chris Poultney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to install oracle 8.0.5 on my Slackware linux 2.0.30. I will
> > > > need to upgrade to at least 2.0.34 before the final install; however, I
> > > > was hoping to do a trial install before upgrading. I downloaded and
> > > > installed the glibc 2.0.7 runtime package (not the beta compilation
> > > > package) from metalab, and the installation went smoothly until it
> > > > attempted to run the linker. Each step which required the nsl library
> > > > failed. Has anyone else had similar experiences? Could this be because
> > > > I haven't upgraded to 2.0.34 yet? Where can I find a glibc 2.0.7 nsl
> > > > library? Etc, etc. Any help would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > -Chris P.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Robinson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: 9 Mar 1999 17:16:19 -0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Stevens <mudshark> wrote:
>On 9 Mar 1999 08:15:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
>wrote while drinking:
>
>
>>Which rather neatly demonstrates why US prices are no use in UK
>>newsgroup. There are so many variables to add on or knock off
>>(and H.M. C&E are so abysmal at calculating them right) that the
>>only meaningful price for a UK user is one quoted in GBP with all
>>the relevant taxes paid.
>
>Ahem. The following header was found on your followup:
>
>Newsgroups:
>comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
>
>The first three newsgroups are in the comp.* hierarchy, which was not
>exclusive to the UK last time I checked. Pay attention, please.
So these comments are coming from the fourth, uk-specific group, in
which context they are at least as reasonable as your posting of material
into a group to which it is irrelevant.
Let's *all* pay attention, huh ?
--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
I don't want to receive UCE :- remove 'x' to reply.
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From: King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: isdn4k utilities and ISDN
Date: 9 Mar 1999 16:31:38 GMT
Got it done,
See an earler thread to get an "old" isdn core and the usdn-utils at
ftp.suse.com/pub/isdn4k-utils
>From the isdn core pack run the kernel patch script.
Run and comple everything
King wrote:
>
> How do you upgrade/patch the 2.2.2 kernel?
>
> loermans wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Can someone help?
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Here some output
> > >
> > > make[1]: Entering directory
> > > `/root/isdn/isdn4k-utils-3.0beta1/isdnctrl'
> > > gcc -DVERSION=\"3.0beta1\" -Wall -O2 -I. -I/usr/src/linux/include
> > > -DI4L_CTRL_c
> > > isdnctrl.c:446: warning: #warning ISDN_NET_DM_OFF not defined? Old
> > > isdn4kernel?
> > > isdnctrl.c: In function `do_dialmode':
> > > isdnctrl.c:545: structure has no member named `dialmode'
> > > isdnctrl.c: At top level:
> > > isdnctrl.c:525: warning: `do_dialmode' defined but not used
> > > make[1]: *** [isdnctrl.o] Error 1
> > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/isdn/isdn4k-utils-
3.0beta1/isdnctrl'
> > > make: *** [install] Error 2
> >
> > The problem with the 2.2.x kernels is that they do not contain a
current
> > release of the ISDN core. For some strange reason the developer
kernels
> > (2.1.xxx) do contain an updated ISDN core, I don't know why they
didn't
> > include this in the final 2.2.x kernel.
> >
> > You can download an updated ISDN core from http://www.isdn4linux.de
> >
> > You should patch you kernel source with this update and rebuild your
> kernel.
> > You should now be able to 'make' the ISDN4Linux utilities.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
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From: Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: One-way Cable Modem
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:15:59 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry about the delay, tonni.
My one way cable modem is an external (there are internal ones?)
produced by Hybrid.
The model is N-202XS.
Thank you very much in advance!
Pavel
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
tonni wrote:
>
> i have gi instruments surfboard s1200 external and i can connect this thing
> every where just need a web browser now if you have the gi 1000 internal i
> had that but never try it on linux
> let me know what kind hardware you have i may help you tonni
> Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've got the one-way Cable Modem account from RCN. Has anyone been
> > successful in getting it two work with linux?
> >
> > (One way cable modems shouldn't be any different from Linux's point of
> > view, should they?)
> >
> > Thanks a lot in advance!
> >
> > Pavel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why doesn't my ldconfig work?
Date: 9 Mar 1999 12:36:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm running Slakware 3.6 (libc5) and my
> /etc/ld.so.conf points to the right directories - for example
> /usr/local/lib... However, whenever I put any shared libraries into
> /usr/local/lib, i.e., those for the RealPlayer, and then run ldconfig,
> the libraries aren't seen. Until now I've fudged the solution by
> sticking the libraries into /usr/lib (or /lib)
I assume that since things work when you move the libraries, there are
no libc5 vs. libc6 problems. Do you get any error or other strange
messages when you ask ldconfig for verbose output: "ldconfig -v"?
> I'm presently
> getting failed dependencies trying to install libcdaudio.rpm- and the
> libraries it wants are in /usr/lib!
Should RPM get the dependencies right on a Slackware system??
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "mp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and a telephone system.
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:10:02 -0400
Peter Trzeciak wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi
>I run a set of Linux machines and one of them is an older 486, 66Mhz.
>I would like to turn it into a telephone system with mailboxes or
>extensions and mailslots.
>Is there hardware and software I could use (on Linux), like a board etc.
>
>Please let me know if you know any?
>
>Thanks
>
>Peter
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Look at mgetty-sendfax
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From: Armin Kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Funny errors with fsck
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:11:50 GMT
Jayasuthan [VorHacker] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Armin Kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ha Ha Ha.... If I am not wrong it says right you're bonehead...
> well to run e2fsck you need to dismount the disk or mount it as readolny
> filesystem..
I repeat: The disk is NOT mounted! (I mentioned it in the original article)
> Again this olny works if I'm not wrong.....
Maybe you are wrong ;)
Bye
Armin Kaiser
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From: Gianni Mariani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:51:40 GMT
Johan Kullstam wrote:
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Brian Moore writes:
> > > (Again, much of this is due to their non-compete clause that they signed
> > > when they sold Xenix off to SCO, so it's unlikely to change.)
> >
> > It'll change the moment they decide that buying out the agreement is a
> > worthwhile investment.
>
> yes, but as far as i can tell, microsoft are idealogically committed
> to destroying unix. i can see bill gates taking off his shoe and
> pounding it on the rostrum....
>
Microsoft doesn't even know how to spell Unix :(*) Who are you kidding :)(
Unix/Linux is alot of fun to use. But, until there is *lots* of cash in it, MS
won't
take it seriously. How do you go to your shareholders (of a $400billion
company)
and tell them, BTW - we're dropping everything and going to Linux ? The only
ideology MS has is capitalism.
When MS sees that it is able to make around $1billion/year in software sales on
Linux, you will see them porting stuff. Be careful though, do you really want
the
"registry", "proc calls", "GDI", "Direct-X" on Linux ? Gee, MS would love it,
you
get to support irate Win98 come Linux customers over the comp.os.linux.misc
newsgroup and they would have a field day shipping Office for Linux. Oh, and
then
they would be the evil MS because they support Linux and make a huge bunch
of cash on Linux apps but don't support the OS.
Tell you what:
Make a proposal to MS (other than MS get lost) on how you would make *lots*
of cash selling Linux based products for MS.
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Tomasz Korycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 15:02:24 -0500
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:37:34 -0500,
> Tomasz Korycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Please trim texts when quoting.
> > >
> >
> > I do, usually. Unless something seems to me relevant to the subject, or
> > to someone who might stumble upon a message and wish to know what it is
> > all about.
> >
> So how is the above signature "relevant to the subject"? You've quoted
> it in its entirety several times.
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
That's called "courtesy", or "attribution". I'd hate for somebody not to
know who said what, if they stumbled on this thread only now....
Hey, You're quick on the draw! Now: what about everything ELSE I said?
Does it not warrant a reply? If so, just tell me what am I full of, I'll
go away. Not necessarily changing my mind, though. So, if You wish to
convince me, PLS reply to the whole thing, not just it's most irrelevant
part!
BTW, I never had the (dubious, I infer from Your previous post)
pleasure to work on HP3000, but I've also never heard of RSTS. RSX-11M
yes, I still have nightmares, but not RSTS. What was (is) it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: Best value in CPU for linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 09 Mar 1999 20:44:00 GMT
On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 01:08:11 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Bob van der Poel wrote:
>>
>> I'm seriously thinking of upgrading my motherboard and CPU. Right now I
>> have a Cyrix PR 200. I really need more speed (who doesn't!), and
>> I would like a better FP performance as well.
>>
>> >From what I'm looking at, it appears that Linux doesn't (please correct
>> if wrong) some of the fancier new cpu stuff like MMX and 3DNow. So, it
>
>Just because it doesn' use it doesn't mean it can't be used under linux.
right. case in point: "Mesa", the OpenGL clone is/will use 3DNow, and/or
MMX, I think.
under any OS you care to run, on an intel platform with appropriate CPU.l
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Receiving email w/Redhat Linux 5.2
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:15:36 GMT
Now, I have it where I can send to myself, but not to another user on the
machine. When I try to another user, I get "Unknown user". I still can't
get anything from my NT network also. I just disappears for a couple days.
Anymore thoughts would be great.
Thanks!
Derek
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:06:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> using pine, can you send e-mail to your self?
> yes?
> using pine can you send e-mail to another user on the linux machine?
> yes?
> your problem is in NT.
>
> if no to ether, make sure sendmail is running.
>
> tng
>
> >I have just installed Red Hat Linux for the first time. Everything seems to
> >be running great. What I would like to do that I can't find any help on is
> >sending and receiving mail. Actually, I have been using PINE, and I can send
> >mail fine. The problem is that I can't receive any mail. I have a NT Server
> >the has MS Exchange, but would like to setup something totally seperate. The
> >NT Server is also a DNS Server, which I would also like to setup on the linux
> >machine in the future. I have an MX record on the DNS pointing to the linux
> >machine, which gets rid of the "Message Undeliverable" errors. I guess now
> >my messages are just floating in space somewhere. I feel I am very close,
> >but missing something. Any thoughts or suggestions would be great!! Thanks!
> >
> >
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: 08 Mar 1999 20:31:37 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood) writes:
> At this point, I guess I'm going to have to find someone who *is* a
> lawyer because RMS' claim does not make sense. The end user's point
> of view should be irrevelant to definition of a derived work. I guess
> the deciding factor at this point would be whether or not occupying
> the same process space is legally considered to be a "derivative
> work".
IANAL either but if that were held to be true, all DOS programs would
be derived works of MS-DOS. There are plenty of other operating
systems that don't provide separate address spaces for user programs.
> (I recently discovered that shared libs under linux didn't work in the way
> I thought they did. I was under the assumption that there was one copy
> of the library that was loaded by the system and used by all processes
> that depend upon it. Apparently, according to a guy from Cygnus, the
> portions of the library that are used by the application are copied
> into the executable's process space. Does anyone know if this is true
> of all dynamic loaders?)
It wasn't true for (IIRC) for Linux a.out shared libraries, which used
fixed load addresses.
--
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: 08 Mar 1999 20:36:49 +0000
Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> RMS recognizes this, but only when the potential non-GPL library actually
> exists. Why should the copyright holder lose control just because of the
> *potential* of an alternative library? If this potential library doesn't
> exist, and the author of the dependent module knows it, he knows that he's
> creating something functionally equivalent to a work statically linked with
> the library.
I would be surprised if the legal status of work A with respect to
work B is dependent on the existence or nonexistence of work C, if
work C has no derivation relationship with either A or B.
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: 08 Mar 1999 20:43:21 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>I'm always irritated when I hear people talk about OO design, when it
> >>>is patently impossible to implement such a design on the current
> >>>(mainstream) OSes, because these deal with processes and files, not
> >>>with objects.
> >
> >even a turing machine needs to make a distinction between its data and its
> >code. you cannot avoid it.
>
> I presume you have never heard of self modifying code. It may
> be ugly and its use a kludge but it does exist.
Just look at the MIX calling conventions (Knuth Vol. 1), for example.
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From: gwizz@gwazz.* (Phil Stevens)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 21:45:24 GMT
Reply-To: mudshark(at)euphoria.org
On 9 Mar 1999 17:33:16 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phil Stevens <mudshark> wrote:
>>On 9 Mar 1999 08:15:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Winters)
>>wrote while drinking:
>>
>>
>>>Which rather neatly demonstrates why US prices are no use in UK
>>>newsgroup. There are so many variables to add on or knock off
>>>(and H.M. C&E are so abysmal at calculating them right) that the
>>>only meaningful price for a UK user is one quoted in GBP with all
>>>the relevant taxes paid.
>>
>>Ahem. The following header was found on your followup:
>>
>>Newsgroups:
>>comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
>>
>>The first three newsgroups are in the comp.* hierarchy, which was not
>>exclusive to the UK last time I checked.
>
>If you'd read the thread before leaping in with your foot in your mouth
>you wouldn't have made that comment.
The original poster asked for opinions regarding inexpensive notebook
hardware for a Linux installation project. Some of your Anglocentric
feathers were ruffled when example prices in US dollars were
mentioned. Some of us outside your country wondered why you carry on
about UK newsgroups in international ones.
>
>>Pay attention, please.
>
>Exactly.
Indeed. Shall we all quote prices in Indonesian rupiahs from here on
out?
ps
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