Linux-Misc Digest #386, Volume #25 Tue, 8 Aug 00 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Help: How to setup multiple IP addresses for a network interface? (mst)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Need a bootCD (mst)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:17:31 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >Robert Krawitz wrote:
> >> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > Robert Krawitz wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > Take Boeing as an example. If they go the free software route, they can
> >> > > > save millions in software costs, but they decided against it, because
> >> > > > it's not practical for such a big international corp to switch
> >> > > > everything, tens of thousands of employees in numourous countries, and,
> >> > > > the trainning costs and time loss will far outcosted the cost saving in
> >> > > > free software.
> >> > >
> >> > > That's quite a different issue.
> >> >
> >> > That's part of the total costs too. Isn't it!?
> >>
> >> Of course it is, but that has nothing to do with free vs. proprietary
> >> software; it's a matter of frictional losses in retraining on anything.
> >
> >But we're discussoing the overall values of "free" vs. propriety
> >software. Ain't we?
>
> No, the discussion is about the relative costs of the different
> varieties of software.
>
> >So. That should be part of the total equation too.
>
> Frictional losses resulting from retraining on _anything_ are incurred
> regardless of whether you work with free software or non-free software.
>
> If deploying Windows 2000 results in a retraining bill of $4K per employee
> due to the differences between W2K and WNT, whilst deploying Linux results
> in a retraining bill of $4K per employee due to the differences between
> Linux and WNT, the relative difference between deploying W2K and Linux
> would be $0.
>
> That's not guaranteed to be the result; the numbers could well be
> different from "$4K and $4K." But if the differences in software license
> costs are high enoughs, that can mean that if Linux retraining is only
> moderately more than W2K retraining, Linux proves less expensive overall.
>
> On the other hand, deploying W2K in an environment where Unix is heavily
> used is likely to result in _vastly_ more expensive training costs than
> a deployment of Linux in that environment. In such a case, it is quite
> easy for deployment of Linux to be economically dominant over deployment
> of W2K.
>
No. I'm not talking about anything from M$. I don't use anything M$
anymore for a couple of years. W2K is of zero importance to me.
NO DUAL BOOT HERE.
Only SuSE Linux. *BSD, and Solaris here.
> A competent overall evaluation of the net costs requires looking at
> a host of different kinds of costs simultaneously, combined via some
> cash flow model. Preferably with some modicum of actuarial analysis.
> Those that aren't familiar with Net Present Values, or who don't know what
> an actuary is, are liable to find it a daunting task to competently read
> such an analysis. This discussion is not leading towards anything other
> than terribly fragmented analyses from which _no_ overall conclusions
> may be drawn.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
> ASSEMBLER is a language. Any language that can take a half-dozen
> keystrokes and compile it down to one byte of code is all right in my
> books. Though for the REAL programmer, assembler is a waste of
> time. Why use a compiler when you can code directly into memory
> through a front panel.
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:20:18 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >> And if company tax is lower - in some places it may be as low as 30% -
> >> then the reward for buying and tax-deducting is not attractive.
> >>
> >Put it on business loss.
> >
> >Find a good accountant.
> >
> >I am not an accountant. Or tax consultant. But business loss is legit
> >deduction.
>
> I am also not an accountant, by profession. However, accounting _was_
> one of my majors (along with computer science) in the undergrad degree
> I was granted, and I prepared, during that timeframe, _hundreds_ of
> tax returns, so I surely ought to have _some_ degree of cluefulness
> about this.
>
> What I _am_ fairly certain of is that you sure are showing off lots
> of evidence of being utterly unqualified to be either an accountant
> or a tax consultant; the amount you're describing as a "business loss"
> is _not_ going to fly with the tax authorities.
>
> Business expenses are typically _deductible_, which is a term that has a
> reasonably precise meaning. It does _not_ mean that they may be deducted
> from the tax _bill_. _That_ particular scenario is generally described
> using the term "tax credit." Instead, business expenses are deducted
> from taxable _income_.
>
> If the tax rate is 40%, then that means the reduction in the tax bill
> is 40% of the business expense.
>
> Thus, if you paid a business expense of $1000, your tax bill diminishes
> by $400. The remaining $600 that got paid out is _your problem._ It's
> not a "deduction." It's not a "business loss." It's an AMOUNT YOU PAID,
> and that's _your problem._
>
> I'm not going to say anything more on this thread; if you are incapable
> of understanding what is described in this article, then it is fairly
> evident that you would be incompetent to run a business, certainly not
> without the aid of a competent accountant. Furthermore, if you can't
> grasp this bit of basic taxation, you're likely not competent to run a
> business even _with_ the aid of a competent accountant.
>
> Either way, trying to explain this further seems doomed to failure.
Okay. Whatever you say.
But I've seen, and know people who owns big business (several thousands
of employees or more) don't care about software costs at all. A few
millions are not even a concern to them.
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
> Rules of the Evil Overlord #49. "If I learn the whereabouts of the
> one artifact which can destroy me, I will not send all my troops out
> to seize it. Instead I will send them out to seize something else and
> quietly put a Want-Ad in the local paper."
> <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
------------------------------
From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:24:17 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> blowfish writes:
> > So. You're agreeing that computer codes are not what normally consider as
> > "speech" under real human terms, and should not be under the protection
> > of Freedom of Speech. Right?
>
> No. Nor do the US Federal courts.
The case is not over yet.
Regardless of the out come. Do you write a piece of codes to your mother
to tell her something; or do you just write her a letter, an email in
plain English, or just call and talk to her?
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
------------------------------
From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help: How to setup multiple IP addresses for a network interface?
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:21:09 -0400
JP wrote:
>
> I know that in Linux there can be more than 1 IP addresses for a network
> interface. But I don't know exactly know to do it. Any help would be
> appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Joe
It's called IP aliasing - there's a mini-HOWTO at:
http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias
MST
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:30:23 -0700
Robert Krawitz wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Robert Krawitz wrote:
> > >
> > > blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Robert Krawitz wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also. You did contradicted your own idea of *free software*, as you have
> > > > > > taken the money from Debian as a reward.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't that your codes should be *FREE* as in money - free, unlike
> > > > > > non-GNU-GPL codes-which costs money, as in *FREE BEER* too!?
> > > > >
> > > > > No, "free" as in "free software" only refers to "free speech"
> > > > > (liberty), not "free beer". It's perfectly legal to sell GPL'ed
> > > > > software for whatever the market will bear. The only thing the seller
> > > > > has to do is provide the source code, and not restrict further
> > > > > distribution beyond what the GPL specifies.
> > > > >
> > > > No. Speech to most *real* human means expressing ideas, communicating to
> > > > other *real* humans.
> > >
> > > Fine. Let's skip "free speech", then, and say that "free software"
> > > refers to "liberty of code". "Free speech" is merely an analogy, anyway.
> > >
> > So. You're agreeing that computer codes are not what normally consider
> > as "speech" under real human terms, and should not be under the
> > protection of Freedom of Speech. Right?
>
> Care to stop knocking down straw men for a change?
>
> I said nothing of the sort. You wanted to argue with my definition of
> free software, where I used the analogy of "free speech" (freedom)
> vs. "free beer" (zero cost). I pointed out that it is both legal and
> possible to charge for software under the GPL, and indeed that it is
> not legal to forbid someone else from charging for it, as long as the
> other terms (including distribution of source code) were observed.
> You quibbled with the definition of speech, so I pointed out that
> there are other ways of describing it.
>
> I most definitely believe that software (at least a human-readable
> form, where "human" is one sufficiently knowledgeable) constitutes
> "speech" under the definition of the first amendment.
>
Okay. I agree that source codes are human readable. But most real human
are not geeks or machineheads.
Can your mother read and understand source codes?
Can the average Joe, even with college education, but never takes any
CS, EE courses can understand source codes?
I'm not talking about the special cases here. I'm talking about the
everyday real people, who just use the computer for whatever reason...
the non geeks.
I don't consider geeks as normal human. Sorry! :-|
> --
> Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
>
> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2
> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Project lead for The Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net
>
> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works."
> --Eric Crampton
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
------------------------------
From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need a bootCD
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:26:41 -0400
Simon Lemieux wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I just made the biggest mistake of my life... I installed windows on my
> linux box... I've done this a few times and I thought I really knew how to
> deal with this kind of hard work, but for one detail... Windows erased LILO
> at installation.
> Now I can only boot Windows, no more LILO prompt... What I need is a
> bootable floppy to /sbin/lilo! but I don't have a floppy drive...
>
You can do 2 things:
1. use loadlin to boot Linux from a DOS prompt - but you need a kernel
on the DOS partition
2. go to
ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-7.1/bootdsks.144
and download the bare.i disk image, then use rawrite.exe to write it on
a blank floppy, and use it to boot; when it asks for options type:
mount root=/dev/whatever/partition/your/installed/Linux/is/on
and you're in. Then rerun lilo as root, and you'll get it back on the
MBR, if that's what you want. To configure lilo so it boots your windoze
partition too, RTFM.
MST
------------------------------
From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:32:57 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> blowfish writes:
> > So, Debian is acting as the middleman.
>
> No. None of the money ever went near Debian. Debian does not handle
> money.
>
> > It's like you're a farmer.
>
> As a matter of fact, I am.
>
What a coincident! :-)
> > Without Debian. You might not have made that $25k.
>
> This is true. Had I attempted to market pppconfig as proprietary software
> there is no way I would have gotten a penny for it.
>
Still, the money must came from some where. It's not fallen from the
sky!?
> > That $25k did not came from Debian directly. But Debian sold your work
> > for you, and paid you that $25k as your reward.
>
> No. Debian sells nothing.
>
> > I know what Debian is...
>
> You haven't a clue.
>
> > He started a commercial venture right away with vc. Nothing wrong with
> > that.
>
> Correct. All the Debian developers wish him well: many are in the computer
> business thenselves.
>
> > Time to get down to REAL MONEY MAKING BUSINESS.
>
> Selling free software. With the blessings and encouragement of the authors
> thereof.
I wish him luck too. If he stuck with the Debian model.
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
------------------------------
From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:40:44 -0700
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
> >John Hasler wrote:
> >>
> >> blowfish wrote:
> >> > Didn't you said that you made $25k from Debian...
> >>
> >> No. I said I made $25k as a _result_ of having contributed to Debian.
> >>
> >Okay. It's indirect in a way. But you wouldn't have made that $25k if
> >you did not contribute to Debian. So, Debian is acting as the
> >middleman.
>
> If Debian does not participate in the transaction, which (based on the
> fact that I had a similar transaction last year) I'm certain that they
> didn't, then they are not a "middleman."
>
> >It's like you're a farmer.
>
> John Hasler isn't "like" a farmer. He _is_ one, outright.
>
Yes, I found out from his reply. Nothing wrong with that. I enjoy
outdoor life very much too.
I fly fish for rainbow trouts and steelheads in rapid waters, whenever I
get the chance to get out of the big city.
> >You grow the crops, turned the wheat that
> >you grow into flour. Then some bakery, bought your flour, turned them
> >into bread, and sell the bread to the consumer, you never even know who
> >bought the bread, but the money the consumer paid for the bread at the
> >bakery, indirectly translated into yuor income. Isn't it!?
>
> Suurre... Alternatively, it could be regarded that John Hasler received
> a subsidy from the Finnish government to the tune of $25K. After all,
> Finnish subsidies went to the university that Linus Torvalds attended,
> and much of this falls out of the activities that occurred as a result
> of that.
>
So. The money is still not free. The money probably came from tax payers
in Finland. No?
> >So. What difference does it made? You're going through a middleman one
> >way or another.
> >
> >Without Debian. You might not have made that $25k.
> >
> >That $25k did not came from Debian directly. But Debian sold your work
> >for you, and paid you that $25k as your reward.
>
> I received a similar amount, out of similar activities. I have no
> organizational affiliation with Debian, and it is _not_, in _any way_,
> reasonable to consider that anything at all came "from Debian,"
> which, by the way, _isn't a corporation._
>
Good for you. But now. What about the ideas of free as in speech, and
free as in beer, that you guys are so into promoting!? Everything must
be free. Right? Then, why you guys are taking the money?
Why not donnate the money to some charitable causes?
> >> > But have you thought about where that $25k from Debian came from?
> >>
> >> I know exactly where it came from. None of it came from Debian: Debian has
> >> no money.
> >>
> >> > Debian must be making money in order to pay people like you.
> >>
> >> Debian pays no one. If you nderstood what Debian is you would know that.
> >
> >I know what Debian is...
>
> Can you describe Debian in one sentence?
>
> >But even Debian's founder (forgot his name), I believe he just graduated
> >from MIT from what I've read a few days ago. He started a commercial
> >venture right away with vc. Nothing wrong with that. I guess he knew his
> >free-riding days are now over. Time to get down to REAL MONEY MAKING
> >BUSINESS.
> >
> >> > Also. You did contradicted your own idea of *free software*,...
> >>
> >> I did no such thing.
> >>
> >> > ... as you have taken the money from Debian as a reward.
> >>
> >> I did no such thing, but even if I had I would have in no way contradicted
> >> my idea of free software (which I have written about here and elsewhere).
> >>
> >> > Isn't that your codes should be *FREE* as in money - free, unlike
> >> > non-GNU-GPL codes-which costs money, as in *FREE BEER* too!?
> >>
> >> Quite the contrary: software is not free if it cannot be sold. Read the
> >> Debian Free Software Guidelines at www.debian.org.
> >
> >I don't use Debian anyway.
>
> Which is utterly irrelevant to the question.
what is???
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
> Rules of the Evil Overlord #157. "Whenever plans are drawn up that
> include a time-table, I'll post-date the completion 3 days after it's
> actually scheduled to occur and not worry too much if they get
> stolen." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
------------------------------
From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:42:32 -0700
Phillip Lord wrote:
>
> >>>>> "blowfish" == blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> >It only matters to the free beer drunken college geeks who zero
> >> real >income, and too much free time on his/her hands.
> >>
> >> To switch every university-owned PC in the building in which I'm
> >> sitting, from Red Hat GNU/Linux to (say) Microsoft Windows 2000,
> >> would cost considerably more than our annual computer hardware
> >> budget.
> >>
> blowfish> Academia world has all the free time in the world though,
> blowfish> time is money in the biz world.
>
> What crap. I am generally on much shorter term contracts
> than my friends who work in industry. Or indeed in other parts of the
> public sector. The one exception to this is a friend who works as a
> contractor, but he gets paid five times as much as I. The pressure of
> time is as real for me, if not more so, as for many others.
>
> We use Gnu/Linux systems because there are capable of doing
> the job, and because we have to spend much less time administering
> them than we would do for windows boxes. I spend much less time
> looking after my current PC than I did with the last one.
>
> blowfish> If they have to retrain employees. The time loss might
> blowfish> very well costs more than the costs of software.
>
> Staff costs are always an issue of course. Often it makes
> sense to stick with a windows system for this reason alone. In time I
> think that this will become a less compelling of course. At one stage
> we all had to switch to windows, and then from 3.1 to 95. The upgrade
> treadmill that windows enforces on people comes with an associated
> cost. Its perfectly possible however to run a modern linux system on a
> 386/486 and still get useful work done. Or alternatively if you want
> to upgrade to the latest linux system there is nothing to prevent you
> from doing so. And finally of course you do not have to spend a small
> fortune of software auditing, and ensuring you have the right licenses
> for the right software.
>
> Phil
Stop talking about anything from M$. I've no interest, and dumped M$
for a long time. It's 100% M$ free here. No dual boot.
--
- Alex / blowfish.- Just an average, whimpy, non-geek American computer
user.
(Have Fun with geek's culture: Part-1.)
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
takes
Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
geek + vi | ~/emacs
==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
- My SAS (Sing-A-Song) Fingerprint -v.i007.bond: Doe1(-a deer, a female
deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
needle pulling thread.)
lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
(c)Copyrighted by Alex / blowfish. 2000.
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